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legameboy
07-01-2003, 04:18 PM
Why do you have to insult us. I play with a little group of RPG duelers and it's fun, but then FFAers come and invade our little server/community and start laming us for no reason. Leave us alone and we'll leave your servers. :(

Bilbo Skywalker
07-01-2003, 04:49 PM
i agree with you :)

Luc Solar
07-01-2003, 04:55 PM
Please define "laming".

legameboy
07-01-2003, 05:23 PM
Laming for us is usually when somebody comes into the server, breaks all the rules on purpose and gets everyone mad or to leave, and then he himself leaves if he is not banned already.

In simpler terms, he breaks the rules and ruins our RPing on purpose.

Semicolon
07-01-2003, 05:26 PM
Heh yes what is laming? And being a noob? How do you all define it??

legameboy
07-01-2003, 05:32 PM
I define a newbie as someone who is worse at things than other people and boasts that he/she is better or knows more than everyone else. (Or is just a brat.) I am not as good as everyone else, and heck I have a long way to go before I am good, but I don't act like a idiotic |84$74r|) brat, and that alone should count towards not being a newbie. :)

lllKyNeSlll
07-01-2003, 05:43 PM
post a sign on your server on the info saying, RPG SERVER, kill without permit and get booted or something like that.

legameboy
07-01-2003, 06:08 PM
The thing is, we do that. Once they enter the server, the list of rules is shown on their screen for enough time for them to read them.

lllKyNeSlll
07-01-2003, 06:52 PM
It's not me then. Although I do everything in my power to win, I always follow the rules.

Haemon
07-01-2003, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by legameboy
I define a newbie as someone who is worse at things than other people and boasts that he/she is better or knows more than everyone else.

And people who lame are "newbies" right? I just want to be totally clear on this.

legameboy
07-01-2003, 07:48 PM
No, most people who lame are not newbies. Most have true skill, but some like to ruin our (we RPGers) fun. :)

Mr.Joshua
07-01-2003, 08:34 PM
Simple solution. DONT FREAKING RP IN A FPS GAME! Play the game the way it was meant to be played. There is no such thing as "laming" in any video game. Quit crying to raven about saber and force moves, and quit crying about getting "lamed". It's a freaking online FPS, NOT an MMORPG, not an RPG at all. You nubs just corrupted it into one. I will continue to go on any server I choose and play the game the way it was meant to be played, and I will do so until either I'm banned from every little rpg newbie server, or you all realize the idiocy in rp'ing in an FPS.

shock ~ unnamed
07-01-2003, 10:40 PM
You want to RPG?
More power to you.

There are tons of servers that are made for role playing and I have never even thought about setting foot on one. I have no desire to ruin the fun of others just because I don't agree with what you do with your time.

However there is a *huge difference between role playing and being a total ****ing ***hole on public FFA servers.

You look at all of those "laming" demos I have posted.

It's not me the "lamer" who is running around spouting off racial slurs or telling people I'm going to rape their mothers just because I got killed.

If I go into a server and I see a bunch of people pretending to be Chewbacca or whatever I just leave.

If I go into a server and I run up and kick a guy in the middle of a FFA and he calls a vote to kick me or gives me the usual "OMFG YOU GHEY LAMER!!!111" bull**** you bet your ass I'm going to beat the hell out of him for pure enjoyment.

It has *nothing to do with wanting to ruin the rpg crowds fun.

It has *everything to do with wanting to tell the Nazi admins and Nazi ďletís all gang up on this guy who is just trying to play and force him out of the serverĒ players that this mentality *does piss people off and if you behave like that expect to run into a player who can and will beat the hell out of you until *you leave out of frustration.

wassup
07-02-2003, 12:14 AM
Why dont you ask the admin to lock/password the server? Or make your own server and invite the your fellow RPGers?

shock ~ unnamed
07-02-2003, 01:21 AM
honestly if it is a public server you will have to deal with random people connecting and attacking you.

If you really want to rpg in peace I would suggest omni mod.

most players who are just out to kill other players won't download it or even look for servers running it.

legameboy
07-02-2003, 03:02 AM
ok, well, after all your expressions against or for RPing. I just would like to say why we RP in JO. There is no other game to do that. Star Wars Galaxies sucks, and KOTOR is singleplayer.

Edit: After watching several of Mr. Joshua's and shock~unnamed's demos, I've given up. I realize how sad we are now and I've decided to play for real, the only probolem is, I'm not really what you call "good", I'm more like "poor". So if anyone wants to take the time to train me a bit. PM me.

Haemon
07-02-2003, 03:32 AM
I realize how sad we are now and I've decided to play for real, the only probolem is, I'm not really what you call "good", I'm more like "poor". So if anyone wants to take the time to train me a bit. PM me.

Good job. Though, UJ is right. I wouldn't touch omni-mod, so if you want to RP on a pub download that(though if there get to be too many, I will download it).

And about getting trained, you should try www.thejediacademy.net
It has password protected servers(very stable with 2 North American and 1 European), Trainers who admin the server and teach(though they are kept in check by a great guy, DJSith aka NerfYoda), and a nice set of rules to make things newbie friendly.

The academy has the right idea. If you want to impose "strict" rules on people then make it voluntary. Here people know far in advance what they are getting into(and agree to it) and its not crammed down their throat while they try to enjoy a game.

So there you have it.

Mr.Joshua
07-02-2003, 03:43 AM
Holy ****BALLS do we have a convert?!?!?

*starts to teeter in chair*

I think I'm going to faint. HOLY ****BALLS!!!!!! Today is indeed a good day. If we can reach one of them, perhaps, just perhaps, our mission is worthwhile. Wo0t.

Rumor
07-02-2003, 03:45 AM
Originally posted by legameboy
Why do you have to insult us. I play with a little group of RPG duelers and it's fun, but then FFAers come and invade our little server/community and start laming us for no reason. Leave us alone and we'll leave your servers. :(

no, you invaded our community and destroyed it.

Haemon
07-02-2003, 03:49 AM
Somebody get Fallen a wet towel and a glass of milk.

1 down, 1273 left

And if you want to learn to be really good then stop by the shock server(in unnamed's sig). But they are really brutal if you don't know how to at least pk and pt.

Semicolon
07-02-2003, 05:50 AM
PK and PT?? And that means what?

Mr.Joshua
07-02-2003, 05:55 AM
PK = pull-kick
PT = pull-throw
PTK = Pull-throw-kick, actually executed throw-pull-kick LOL

Semicolon
07-02-2003, 05:57 AM
Ah ok, thx :)

shock ~ unnamed
07-02-2003, 06:27 AM
Originally posted by legameboy
ok, well, after all your expressions against or for RPing. I just would like to say why we RP in JO. There is no other game to do that. Star Wars Galaxies sucks, and KOTOR is singleplayer.

Edit: After watching several of Mr. Joshua's and shock~unnamed's demos, I've given up. I realize how sad we are now and I've decided to play for real, the only probolem is, I'm not really what you call "good", I'm more like "poor". So if anyone wants to take the time to train me a bit. PM me.

If you are enjoying something, by all means don't quit.

The thing is RPG stuff is just not going to work on public FFA servers.

It's no different than going to a gun server and trying to get people to saber fight. It simply isn't going to happen.

I really would try those omni mod servers if I were you. I've only heard good things about them from the RPG crowd in jk2.

As for "playing for real" well you simply have to remember two things.

1- You don't get better from winning; you get better from losing and learning from your mistakes. It may get frustrating but after a short while you *will start to see what you are doing wrong and it will get easier.

2- Donít be afraid to ask people for help. I would much rather spend 20 minutes showing a newbie a combo than have to listen to 20 seconds of "WTF!!?? That **** is cheap/lame" because I hit them with something they have never seen.

When I was learning how to play every time someone kicked my ass with some combo I had never seen if I could not figure it out on my own I just asked them to show me and most did.

I canít speak for everyone but I for one would much rather have people asking me to show them moves instead of trying to vote me off servers for them.

legameboy
07-02-2003, 12:02 PM
Thanks alot for the advice S~U:)

Haemon
07-02-2003, 02:36 PM
And if you want to learn FF, the shock server is the best place. FF pubs are aweful in my experience. Just watch out for Fallen's wallhacks :p.

lllKyNeSlll
07-02-2003, 03:14 PM
D' ja vu. Read logan's post on twl about rpging.

legameboy
07-02-2003, 05:02 PM
Could you decipher you messange Kyle? I'm sorry I can't understand it. :( :D

Rumor
07-02-2003, 09:41 PM
Originally posted by Mr.Joshua
Holy ****BALLS do we have a convert?!?!?

*starts to teeter in chair*

I think I'm going to faint. HOLY ****BALLS!!!!!! Today is indeed a good day. If we can reach one of them, perhaps, just perhaps, our mission is worthwhile. Wo0t.

i am a convert. so are about 15 people i've trained. if not more.

shock ~ unnamed
07-02-2003, 09:54 PM
I've always been a lamer.

:cool:

Semicolon
07-03-2003, 01:31 AM
That's not a thing to be proud of Shock... ;)

legameboy
07-03-2003, 02:59 AM
True, true... :D

Guardian Omega
07-03-2003, 03:20 AM
You got a convert here too!:D

Not complete convert, but some is better than none.:p

Tosh_UK
07-03-2003, 06:58 AM
Originally posted by shock ~ unnamed
I've always been a lamer.

:cool:
Originally posted by Semicolon
That's not a thing to be proud of Shock... ;)

True True BUT IT MAKES GREAT DEMOS :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Semicolon
07-03-2003, 09:03 AM
Heh yep i'd like to see some of these demos :D

NerfYoda
07-07-2003, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by Mr.Joshua
Simple solution. DONT FREAKING RP IN A FPS GAME! Play the game the way it was meant to be played. There is no such thing as "laming" in any video game. Quit crying to raven about saber and force moves, and quit crying about getting "lamed". It's a freaking online FPS, NOT an MMORPG, not an RPG at all. You nubs just corrupted it into one. I will continue to go on any server I choose and play the game the way it was meant to be played, and I will do so until either I'm banned from every little rpg newbie server, or you all realize the idiocy in rp'ing in an FPS.

Originally posted by Rumor
no, you invaded our community and destroyed it.

I've stated this before in other threads, but I think you two fail to grasp that this isn't any ol' FPS game. This is a Star Wars game. That's going to attract not only the FPS gamers, but the Star Wars fans who like to run about playing Chewbacca or whatnot on a server. The game is what you make it. If someone wants to have a 32 player cantina RPG server more power to 'em. Don't be a dick and rain on their parade though.

legameboy: you should look into one of the server side admin mods to hopefully keep rulebreakers out.

Last note: a post in this thread may have given the impression that the Academy is a big RPG house. While we do hold RPG's every now and then on our server we do mainly saber training. Just wanted to clear up any confusion. :)

Mr.Joshua
07-07-2003, 09:43 PM
The game is what you make it when RPG nerds invade the FPS genre and ruin it for us true gamers. If they want an RPG server be sure to include that in the servers name, I stay away from those. It's the idiots that get a huge FFA server full of people amsitting and then powertripping when someone comes in to actually play. Or the FFA that has force enabled but then a rule saying you can't use force. Or no rules posted and you get slept and punished for grip kicking and ptk'ing. Please, this is an FPS. There is SWG and KOTOR for those who want to RP Star Wars characters not to mention the numerous sites that are dedicated to that type of gaming. The Dark Forces series was always an FPS. In DF:JK a few of these rpg nerds showed up but not to the drastic idiocy that now runs rampant on 99% of the FFA servers.

NerfYoda
07-07-2003, 09:58 PM
Originally posted by Mr.Joshua
The game is what you make it when RPG nerds invade the FPS genre and ruin it for us true gamers. If they want an RPG server be sure to include that in the servers name, I stay away from those. It's the idiots that get a huge FFA server full of people amsitting and then powertripping when someone comes in to actually play. Or the FFA that has force enabled but then a rule saying you can't use force. Or no rules posted and you get slept and punished for grip kicking and ptk'ing. Please, this is an FPS. There is SWG and KOTOR for those who want to RP Star Wars characters not to mention the numerous sites that are dedicated to that type of gaming. The Dark Forces series was always an FPS. In DF:JK a few of these rpg nerds showed up but not to the drastic idiocy that now runs rampant on 99% of the FFA servers.

Hey I'm well with ya on the RPG's that don't advertise and the ones that make up lame rules on the spot. But saying "this is an FPS'ers game" is false. It's everyones game. :D

Haemon
07-07-2003, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by NerfYoda
Last note: a post in this thread may have given the impression that the Academy is a big RPG house. While we do hold RPG's every now and then on our server we do mainly saber training. Just wanted to clear up any confusion. :)

Originally posted by Haemon
And about getting trained, you should try www.thejediacademy.net

He seems a little new to the game so I figured he could use a little training before really hitting the pubs. I think he registered.

legameboy:
Whats your name at the academy?

Mr.Joshua
07-07-2003, 10:26 PM
It's everyone's game if they play it the way it was meant to be played. Go look at ANY description of Jedi Knight: Jedi Outcast. NOWHERE will you see, you can /amsit and RPG to your hearts content on any server you'd like. No. It started with all the honor code crap in the very beginning of this game. The game is characterized from both LucasArts and Raven as a First-Person/Third-Person SHOOTER, not RPG.

Prime
07-08-2003, 02:09 AM
The Star Wars prequels are the worst thing to happen to the Dark Forces series. Many players are trying to impose a twisted view of prequel Jedi "honour" onto JO, even though Raven (rightfully) designed a game that is only truly faithful to it's own traditions (which descend from the original trilogy). I think the MP game would be a lot better if everyone's hero was still Han Solo... :)

I_dF
07-08-2003, 02:14 AM
I dont know why you guys keep blameing the rpgers saying they ruined this game, the thing that ruined this game is jk2's weak ass community having a weak community turned this game ****ty and let people like the modders of JA and Omnimod to make those gay mods and have people think its alright for them to rpg in a fps game

Mr.Joshua
07-08-2003, 03:23 AM
Originally posted by I_dF
I dont know why you guys keep blameing the rpgers saying they ruined this game, the thing that ruined this game is jk2's weak ass community having a weak community turned this game ****ty and let people like the modders of JA and Omnimod to make those gay mods and have people think its alright for them to rpg in a fps game

Sorry but this community was strong in the early days of 1.02. And the RPGers are IN the community, AND they're the one's that made those mods. Your argument is flawed.

Semicolon
07-08-2003, 05:01 AM
[off topic] Awsome sig Josh!!!! [/off topic]

Khier
07-08-2003, 05:44 AM
Ok I think I can understand what you're saying now, Mr. Joshua. The amsitting in a group circle singing "kumbaya" is a pain in the ass, I just jump around and wait for while for a spark of action but if nothing happens, then I leave. The servers where people cry about using force in an FF enabled server or the people who try to kick from the server or gang up on someone who's beating them up or the those goddamn adminning brats who abuse their powers are all pains in the asses. What I hate the most, though, are the cocky sonuvabitches who think they own all and that they're clan (if applicable) is the tops and just the way they act all tough and **** gets on my nerves, you can just detect this air of "we pwn all you n00bz" by the way they talk with each other when there's at least three in the same clan, ironically these are the people who operate those "no laming" rules servers and jesus, they're so goddamn uptight you'd think they shoved thier own purple sabers up their asses. *ahem* Er yeah sorry for the rant...

There are those people, and then there are the other RPGers, most of these guys don't even have any clans, but many do thier thing in little groups. There aren't very many public RPG servers out there (I think there's more on the zone, but I haven't been there for quite a while so I'm not sure of the situation there), but as far as I'm concerned, it really doesn't matter how this game is intended to be played, if they're having fun and enjoying what they're doing in the game without bothering or invading anyone else (which seems to be the main problem) then there's no reason to invade them.

Now I don't know if those players are on your agenda, as far as I can tell so far you've been attacking the clans that I have described at the top of my post, which is just fine. :)

Mr.Joshua
07-08-2003, 06:47 AM
Originally posted by Semicolon
[off topic] Awsome sig Josh!!!! [/off topic]

Danke.

Khierr-
If you have a server, and it says in the server name "Bleh and Blahs RPG Cantina" clear and visable through the in-game browser or allseeing-eye, then I stay clear and do what you will. It's the blatant FFA's, where it's not denoted as a specific RPG server, where the idiocy that I'm talking about takes place.

If you want to RPG, go ahead, but do so in ways that do not cause conflicts such as by denoting it's an RPG server. However this is not the case 95% of the time. It's all this "honor" and "lame" and "whore" crap that is what gets us. In ut2k3 lightning gun, rocket launcher, flak cannon and shock rifle combo are the most powerful and most often used weapons. But very rarely if ever will you hear someone crying about it being lame. Sometimes you hear "spammer", sometimes you hear "aimbot" or "hax" or whatever, but NOWHERE near the amount of bitching and complaining that has gone on in jk2. I mean when will it stop? These are the same people that bitched about 1.02's damage scale and DFA problems. These are the same people that bitched about backstab and pull-push system. And now they're STILL BITCHING?!?!!? I mean come on. When are people going to wake up and just play the game? And if their fun consists of waiting for "lamers" to show up so they can bitch and moan some more than why play the freaking game? Because it seems that's all they play it for.

Agen
07-08-2003, 05:39 PM
Just to drop in my opinion,
I have no problem with the JK2 Rpg community (i am a dueler btw and we don't get as many) but i do realise why alot of peps get p*ssed off when they get invaded by rpgers (been on enoguh ctf and ffa server to know). The thing is, RPGers have as much right to do what they wants as anyone else.. They paid for the game like you did (or they didn't :p). As long as they stick to their own type of servers then that's pretty much fine by me. (and i'm sure msot people agree about it)
Though, The real players are sometimes the asses too. When someone goes into a server clearly labelled 'RPG Game, Honour etc. etc.' and it's in the rules then they are to blame. Not only that but then some come and hwine here about RPers (i've seen it happen once, i was investigating the server - it was an RPG one. No names will be mentioned) then they are clearly jsut trying to ruin their fun.
So what i could have said in a few lines :p is - If both sets stick to their own servers then that's just fine :)
Just some people can't seem to grasp this... mainly RPGers who go into ffa servers shouting bow etc. then the real games going back into their servers for revenge. :rolleyes:

Bilbo Skywalker
07-08-2003, 06:46 PM
I agree with termi, I don't see anything wrong with RPG'ing, i never do it myself, but If that is what these people want to do, then let them. I would say that just because the game wasn't intended by the developers to be an rpg game, doesnt mean that it cant be used for that, i mean newspaper publishers dont make newspapers so we can swot flys with them but we do it. (terrible example, but you get my drift). I don't see the need in purposefully being a dick and going into RPG servers to cause trouble, but likewise, the RPG'ers should think ahead and know that if they are going into a non-rpg server then they should leave their RPGing out of it, and it can be very annoying if they don't. (I've heard 'saber was down *******' too many times in FF guns CTF).

And i agree that servers set up specifically for RPGing should clearly say so in the name.


phew... how many times did i just type RPG!

Khier
07-08-2003, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by Mr.Joshua
If you want to RPG, go ahead, but do so in ways that do not cause conflicts such as by denoting it's an RPG server. However this is not the case 95% of the time. It's all this "honor" and "lame" and "whore" crap that is what gets us. In ut2k3 lightning gun, rocket launcher, flak cannon and shock rifle combo are the most powerful and most often used weapons. But very rarely if ever will you hear someone crying about it being lame. Sometimes you hear "spammer", sometimes you hear "aimbot" or "hax" or whatever, but NOWHERE near the amount of bitching and complaining that has gone on in jk2. I mean when will it stop? These are the same people that bitched about 1.02's damage scale and DFA problems. These are the same people that bitched about backstab and pull-push system. And now they're STILL BITCHING?!?!!? I mean come on. When are people going to wake up and just play the game? And if their fun consists of waiting for "lamers" to show up so they can bitch and moan some more than why play the freaking game? Because it seems that's all they play it for.

That I can agree with, it's only the other 5% that don't need to be harmed, the rest can go to hell. :)

[fk]mediablitz
07-08-2003, 09:03 PM
I refuse to follow rules which limit the ways in which I may frag. If they dislike the way I play they can ban me.

I_dF
07-08-2003, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by Mr.Joshua
Sorry but this community was strong in the early days of 1.02. And the RPGers are IN the community, AND they're the one's that made those mods. Your argument is flawed.
the fact that they were in the community made it weak

Mr.Joshua
07-08-2003, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by I_dF
the fact that they were in the community made it weak

Please, go back to the TWL forum where your one-liners serve for more than to pump up your post stats. You haven't added anything constructive. Go away.

Prime
07-08-2003, 11:48 PM
Originally posted by Mr.Joshua
Please, go back to the TWL forum where your one-liners serve for more than to pump up your post stats. You haven't added anything constructive. Go away. While I disagree with I_df, and although he flames me at every turn, his opinions are just as valid as everyone elses. However, if he gets abusive, then he should be banned (as he has been multiple times). Until then, it's better to just state why you disagree :)

shock ~ unnamed
07-09-2003, 01:42 AM
try talking to iron over a voice app like ventrilo or team speak...

trust me his posts are no where near abusive when compared to the things that will come out of your speakers.

:eek:

Mr.Joshua
07-09-2003, 03:11 AM
Originally posted by Prime
While I disagree with I_df, and although he flames me at every turn, his opinions are just as valid as everyone elses. However, if he gets abusive, then he should be banned (as he has been multiple times). Until then, it's better to just state why you disagree :)

The problem is he's not adding opinions relevant to discussion. He's not trying to add constructive talk to the thread. He's trying to start a flame war, period. That's all he can do. Not once have I ever seen him post anything of any substance or validity, not once.

I_dF
07-09-2003, 03:21 AM
Originally posted by I_dF
I dont know why you guys keep blameing the rpgers saying they ruined this game, the thing that ruined this game is jk2's weak ass community having a weak community turned this game ****ty and let people like the modders of JA and Omnimod to make those gay mods and have people think its alright for them to rpg in a fps game
there fallen doesnt that orally violate your forum viewer right or anyone elses no so there i contributed pls stop flamming me :'(

shock ~ unnamed
07-09-2003, 03:44 AM
lol he's trying to get you riled up so he can report you...

Mr.Joshua
07-09-2003, 04:18 AM
I know exactly what he's doing and the super mods have already been informed about him by other forum members. And if he doesn't stop soon, I'm going to go do some research on OUR forum, heck I might go do that right now.

Semicolon
07-09-2003, 06:53 AM
Go check it out Fallen ermm I mean Josh.

lllKyNeSlll
07-09-2003, 12:27 PM
Iron is nothing here like on twl and on a messenger service.

I_dF
07-09-2003, 12:45 PM
kynes please tone down the language or ill report you :o

Prime
07-09-2003, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by Mr.Joshua
The problem is he's not adding opinions relevant to discussion. He's not trying to add constructive talk to the thread. He's trying to start a flame war, period. That's all he can do. Not once have I ever seen him post anything of any substance or validity, not once. I know. I am frequently the target of his flame wars, and he goes great lengths to do it. What your saying is certainly valid. I just feel that it is better to argue against his comments than to just let the thread degenerate into a flame war. But believe me, your point is well taken :D

Mr.Joshua
07-10-2003, 12:38 AM
The problem is there's no basis of his arguments other than to start flame wars as can clearly be seen with his last couple posts by anyone with even the meagerist of intelligence. He's just a bitter little 16 year old brat so he has to try and stir the pot everywhere he goes. It's pathetic.