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The Count
07-03-2003, 06:52 PM
What do they all have in common?

They were all filthy bastards who have attrocities alloever the world, after seeing some of the pictures of that Anti-American website I am absolutely disgusted and filled with new found hatred for the filth that is ruining the world.


The Bottom line is:

Power Corrupts

There has ever since the begining of "civilised society" been huge injustices in the world, whether it be the autocracy and the fuedalism, people in power abusing it to serve their own ends.

The European Empires have ravaged the Middle East, Africa, and Asia, and the people of these lands are still paying for it today.

Stalinism was sheer brutality.

Christianity has abused its power over the year.

The Nazis were actually the best out of a bad lot, as atleast they followed their ideology (atleast Hitler did) however the murder of 6 million Jews which was terrible (even if Israel expoliot this to no end)

The Americans are just pure filth, I am eagerly awaiting it to implode just as the USSR did.

Israel are just as dispicable as the Nazis.

Individuals such as Churchill and "Sir" Douglas Haig are war criminals, not the heroes they are made out to be.

There we have it, the worst people in the world who have and are in the process of continuing to ruin our world, I utterly hate all these people and are all as worse as each other.

Dagobahn Eagle
07-03-2003, 10:15 PM
What do they all have in common?

They were all filthy bastards who have attrocities alloever the world, after seeing some of the pictures of that Anti-American website I am absolutely disgusted and filled with new found hatred for the filth that is ruining the world.
Sigh. I assume that because you are not linking to it, it is mentioned someplace else on this site.

Anti-American sites show only the negative sides of Americans. Thanks to America, several countries are doing well. Thanks to the USA, several countries are free. You may say bad things about her, but putting her on the same pedestal as the Soviet Union is just plain wrong.

If you could point to an objective site, maybe I would listen. But allright, I will look at the site.

The European Empires have ravaged the Middle East, Africa, and Asia, and the people of these lands are still paying for it today.
True.

Stalinism was sheer brutality
Too true.

Christianity has abused its power over the year.

The Nazis were actually the best out of a bad lot, as atleast they followed their ideology (atleast Hitler did) however the murder of 6 million Jews which was terrible (even if Israel expoliot this to no end)
Yes. Unlike the settlers in America and Africa, and the conquistadors, their holocaust failed. Makes me ashamed of being Scandinavian because I know that so many of the "whiteys" that destroyed the Native Americans were Scandinavian or Scandinavian ancestry. Actually, many empires did worse things than the nazists.

The Americans are just pure filth, I am eagerly awaiting it to implode just as the USSR did.
Sigh I.

Israel are just as dispicable as the Nazis.
You will find that what Israel has done is not close to what the nazis have done. Occupying an area is not the same as occupying a continent.

You are right, Palestine should have their own state. But their government does bad things as well, do they not?

Individuals such as Churchill and "Sir" Douglas Haig are war criminals, not the heroes they are made out to be.
Sigh II.

There we have it, the worst people in the world who have and are in the process of continuing to ruin our world, I utterly hate all these people and are all as worse as each other.
This thread will be closed :D very soon.

I advise you that you are going to make CagedCrado angry, as this is his job. How many Americans do you know anyway? Because the American teens I know are not worse than the Scandinavian teens I know.

obi
07-03-2003, 10:24 PM
Yes, Damn Churchill to Hell for trying to put a stop to a man persecuting millions of innocents! :rolleyes:

I don't think I am even going to continue, I will just say this: I'm leaving the thread open because things as such are tolerated in the chambers and it hasn't broken any rules. As for your "americans are a bunch of filthy bastards" comment, I shower daily, I know who my father is.

I leave in peace.

Redwing
07-03-2003, 10:30 PM
The entire world is made up of filthy bastards, depending on who you talk to about them. Darth Murphy, that makes you a filthy bastard too. How do you feel about that? Do you hate yourself? :D

(Oh, and like obi, I shower daily, and I also know who my father is, even if I'd rather that I didn't. ;))

C'jais
07-03-2003, 10:56 PM
Sure, rage against western civilization all you want.

Massive atrocities are bound to come up when we're dealing with a world so populated and so technologically advanced.

However, do keep in mind what third world countries and their cultured noble savages have done as well.

Jah Warrior
07-04-2003, 01:05 AM
Originally posted by Darth Murphy
Individuals such as Churchill and "Sir" Douglas Haig are war criminals, not the heroes they are made out to be.


repent dude, churchill saved our arse from hitler! i think he got voted the greatest Briton did he not? and 60 million brits cant be wrong. I dont doubt that we did some criminal stuff in WW2 and damn right peeps should answer for it, but as you can see in Iraq the winning side never gets prosecuted ;)

I voted for Darwin btw :D

having said that, you do have a very valid point murphy. everyones a wanker (LOL god bless american swear filters)

Homuncul
07-04-2003, 02:47 AM
Pure IGNORANCE this thread is, yes it is, gollum, gollum

The Count
07-04-2003, 07:50 AM
Originally posted by obi-wan13
Yes, Damn Churchill to Hell for trying to put a stop to a man persecuting millions of innocents! :rolleyes:



Do you know how many people that man sent to death? also do you know what he did to Ireland?


Also seeing as no one mentioned Sir Douglas Haig, he sent wave after wave of his own men to death at the hands of the German machine guns.

The Count
07-04-2003, 07:58 AM
Originally posted by Homuncul
Pure IGNORANCE this thread is, yes it is, gollum, gollum


God the irony makes me laugh.

The Count
07-04-2003, 08:00 AM
Originally posted by C'jais
Sure, rage against western civilization all you want.

Massive atrocities are bound to come up when we're dealing with a world so populated and so technologically advanced.

However, do keep in mind what third world countries and their cultured noble savages have done as well.


I'm sure it would not have been half as bad it not for the bitterness that the European Empires left behind when they went home.

The Count
07-04-2003, 08:08 AM
Originally posted by Dagobahn Eagle
Sigh. I assume that because you are not linking to it, it is mentioned someplace else on this site.

Anti-American sites show only the negative sides of Americans. Thanks to America, several countries are doing well. Thanks to the USA, several countries are free. You may say bad things about her, but putting her on the same pedestal as the Soviet Union is just plain wrong. ...

You will find that what Israel has done is not close to what the nazis have done. Occupying an area is not the same as occupying a continent.

You are right, Palestine should have their own state. But their government does bad things as well, do they not?


When talking about Americans as filthy bastards, I mean American foreign policy in general, Look at what they did to Iran they ruined the first true democratic Islamic Republic, they trained Bin Laden themselves to stop the Soviets, Vietnam I won't even go there, it was the Americans who created Sadamn, they were willing to support him even when they knew his human rights attrocities.

The Israleis are as bad as the Nazis because they are doing exactly what the Nazis did; only on a smaller scale, and they take the moral high ground over the Holocaust yet they are just as bad, they didn't learn anything from the past.

Maybe Palestine wouldn't be so bad if the Israleis just stopped their occupation.

ShockV1.89
07-05-2003, 06:25 AM
You seriously have to learn to be more specific. You say such things as...

The Americans are just pure filth, I am eagerly awaiting it to implode just as the USSR did.
There we have it, the worst people in the world who have and are in the process of continuing to ruin our world, I utterly hate all these people and are all as worse as each other.

Have you met all these people? How many Americans have you met? I'm glad you wish for me to starve half to death and stand on bread lines like the former USSR. Unfortunatley, I dont think I deserve that... whatever, you probably dont even care. I'm American, we're all just filth, right? :mad:

And then you try to turn around and say... When talking about Americans as filthy bastards, I mean American foreign policy in general

Bull. Your true feelings were revealed in your initial rant. Dont try to change what you said just to save face...

El Sitherino
07-05-2003, 10:41 AM
i can sum everything up into one sentence for you murphy.

THE WORLD SUCKS AND IS FILLED WITH HUMANS! BLOODY GREEDY HUMANS! :) but don't let that ruin your fun:)

FunClown
07-05-2003, 11:16 AM
Also seeing as no one mentioned Sir Douglas Haig, he sent wave after wave of his own men to death at the hands of the German machine guns.

Thats what the British generals did to the Aussies and New Zealanders at Gallipoli. Sent them up the hill with no ammo, just bayonets wave after wave. Basically as soon as they left the trenches they died. Yet, when ordered the ANZACs still went.

I don't honestly know how those animals can call themselves Generals or how they even came to be Generals. Jar Jar Binks could have done a better job, seriously.

Thrackan Solo
07-05-2003, 12:40 PM
This whole thread isnt even a debate. It just seems like an unorganized ranting against, what C'jais said, all things western civilization.

But about the filthy American bastards, Im sure kids without dads shower and why are you making fun of people without dads?
:confused:

ShockV1.89
07-05-2003, 12:45 PM
I retract what I said above. I still believe it, but I should not have said it here. I apologize if I offended.

obi
07-05-2003, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by ShockV1.89
I retract what I said above. I still believe it, but I should not have said it here. I apologize if I offended.

The man called you and the country you live in filthy bastards. You have every right to prove him otherwise.

The Count
07-06-2003, 08:18 PM
Well actually I stated how much I hated American Foreign policy many times before I would dig it up but I'm too tired, also if this was a rant against Western Civilisation then why the hell did it include The Societ Union in it?

Kain
07-07-2003, 02:34 AM
okay, Darth Murphy, you're a damn fool.
Quit compairing everything and everyone to Stalin and the USSR. It sounds like your just bitter because some 'filthy American' told you to piss off when you were aggravating him about up-sizing his Big Mac Meal.

Homuncul
07-07-2003, 12:26 PM
Quit compairing everything and everyone to Stalin and the USSR.

I think he's more about Lenin here. Did you know Murphy that Lenin only studied what fitted well in the concept dictated by his mother. The myth of genius which is still held about such "leaders" is nothing more than ignorance.

Mr.Joshua
07-08-2003, 07:38 AM
The funny thing is, it's Englands foriegn policy too. Tony Blair and George W. are side by side in this. And this guy is spouting off about our foriegn policy but not his own countries. It's laughable. Typical british pompous attitude.

Perhaps, we "stinky filthy bastards", should have left you to ROT in 1942?

Or we shouldn't have come to your aid time and time again since 1812?

War is hell, no one ever said it was otherwise, it's a necessary evil of human nature. There will always be wars somewhere somehow as long as theirs individual governments over different countries, and a hundred different religions.

Comparing the Israeli's to the Nazi's is laughable. You take it as if the Muslims have the right to that land more than the jews. Which came first buddy? I'm an atheist and even I know the Jews were there first. They're just taking back what was taken from them by the muslims.

It seems to be you're just another embittered socialist spouting off at the mouth to try to get a rise out of people. Well I hate to tell you, but I'm pretty sure that your little hope of the USA collapsing on itself ala the USSR isn't going to happen anytime soon. Baring a nuclear war on our soil, we're going to be in your face for some time to come. So bite the hand that feeds you some more why don't ya, just remember your ass would be speaking german if it wasn't for us!

El Sitherino
07-08-2003, 11:14 AM
Originally posted by Mr.Joshua
Typical british pompous attitude. please leave the culture slander out.
Originally posted by Mr.Joshua
Perhaps, we "stinky filthy bastards", should have left you to ROT in 1942? it wasn't because of england that america joined world war 2
Originally posted by Mr.Joshua
War is hell, no one ever said it was otherwise, it's a necessary evil of human nature. There will always be wars somewhere somehow as long as theirs individual governments over different countries, and a hundred different religions. too true.
Originally posted by Mr.Joshua
Comparing the Israeli's to the Nazi's is laughable. You take it as if the Muslims have the right to that land more than the jews. Which came first buddy? I'm an atheist and even I know the Jews were there first. They're just taking back what was taken from them by the muslims. the muslims have lived there for thousands upon thousands of years. they were the only ones to live there except for a few migrating jews. then britain and america seperated a state in palestine and renamed it israel.

based upon things written in the torah scientist have deducted that the state of israel in which the jews lived was more towads egypt than palestine.
Originally posted by Mr.Joshua
It seems to be you're just another embittered socialist spouting off at the mouth to try to get a rise out of people. Well I hate to tell you, but I'm pretty sure that your little hope of the USA collapsing on itself ala the USSR isn't going to happen anytime soon. Baring a nuclear war on our soil, we're going to be in your face for some time to come. So bite the hand that feeds you some more why don't ya, just remember your ass would be speaking german if it wasn't for us! actually i doubt he would be even if we didn't fight. hitler had made so many mistakes, that the soviet would have surely taken the nazi posts in england and france out within a matter of days. if anything they'd be speaking russian. :)

Mr.Joshua
07-08-2003, 08:29 PM
InsaneSith do you know anything about WW2? WTF are you talking about Russia would have made it into England and France, THEY DIDNT! They didn't even get halfway across Germany. WE DID. We're the one's that spearheaded the Atlantic and Pacific campaigns. We forced Germany to front a two front war, which was a main reason for their demise. Russia would have never made it into Germany if Hitler didn't have to fight us on the Western Front. THAT was his demise. WE liberated Britain. You can't say Russia would have, they didn't even get halfway across Germany while Germany was fighting a two front war. That's just hillarious thinking Russia could have taken Germany without us. The tide of the war turned with our beachhead at Normandy.

And I know why we joined the war, the fact remains that it was the US that saved Britains arse in it. There is NO debate for that, that is a FACT!

And as far as the muslims being there thousands years, and your "facts" about Jerusalem, funny how "scientists" have also deducted the date of Judgement Day in the book of Revelations, and it's come and pass 20 freaking times. So please, don't tell me "scientists" because "scientists" can't accurately deduce ANYTHING that can't be tested or quantified through a litterary work of 10's if not 100's of authors over 4000 years. The only FACT, is the Jewish tradition has been around since 2000 BCE, Mohammed was born 570 CE. Islam is younger than both Jewish and Christian religions. So even Christianity has a stronger claim to Israel then the Muslims. The fact is the muslims were nomadic, they wandered into the area. The Jews and Christians were KICKED out.

Dagobahn Eagle
07-08-2003, 10:18 PM
When talking about Americans as filthy bastards, I mean American foreign policy in general, Look at what they did to Iran they ruined the first true democratic Islamic Republic, they trained Bin Laden themselves to stop the Soviets, Vietnam I won't even go there, it was the Americans who created Sadamn, they were willing to support him even when they knew his human rights attrocities.
Shut up, Brit. I don't dislike Brits, not at all, but look at the stuff Britain did. British Empires anyone? Colonies? Oppresion? Occupation of France, for one? Sigh. Hypocrite. But I guess all that is okay when it's your dear mother England who does it.

Now, here in the States, I've seen a ton of nice people and only a few bad ones. So naming them all bastards is pretty stereotypical and racist.

Have you met all these people? How many Americans have you met? I'm glad you wish for me to starve half to death and stand on bread lines like the former USSR. Unfortunatley, I dont think I deserve that... whatever, you probably dont even care. I'm American, we're all just filth, right?
Good one.
Americans, at least Houstonian teens, IMO, are some good people. The ones at my school at mature about diversity, show some good spirits, and are great friends. If you or someone is depressed, you will have an "are you OK?" from someone, most often from people you do not even know (happened to me many times, such as once when I was depressed and walked down the hallway once a guy asked me if I was okay and I didn't even realize that I looked sad. Then there are all the people who do community work, give blood.. geez. Go there for a year, then post here again. In many ways, Americans are better than Scandinavians. And Brits. Although some parts of their society makes me mad.

InsaneSith do you know anything about WW2?
It seems he does.

WTF are you talking about Russia would have made it into England and France, THEY DIDNT!
How do you know they wouldn't have?

They didn't even get halfway across Germany. WE DID.
Not even halfway across? They captured Berlin (the capital city), doesn't that count? And the reason why they didn't get farther is that the freaking war ended. How do you know they wouldn't get farther if the Germans didn't capitulate?

And how, in your opinion, would they advance past Berlin? West of Berlin was occupied by Brits and Americans. What should they do, attack the USA and UK to prove to ignorants that they actually could make it farther than to Berlin?

We forced Germany to front a two front war, which was a main reason for their demise. Russia would have never made it into Germany if Hitler didn't have to fight us on the Western Front. THAT was his demise. WE liberated Britain. You can't say Russia would have, they didn't even get halfway across Germany while Germany was fighting a two front war. That's just hillarious thinking Russia could have taken Germany without us. The tide of the war turned with our beachhead at Normandy.

And as far as the muslims being there thousands years, and your "facts" about Jerusalem, funny how "scientists" have also deducted the date of Judgement Day in the book of Revelations, and it's come and pass 20 freaking times. So please, don't tell me "scientists" because "scientists" can't accurately deduce ANYTHING that can't be tested or quantified through a litterary work of 10's if not 100's of authors over 4000 years.
You're the first person I've met to call a judgement day proclaimer a scientist. Name one scientist that proclaimed that judgement day was to take part on this or that past day.

The USSR and UK could not have won WW2 without USA
And the USA couldn't have won without the UK and USSR.

The only FACT, is the Jewish tradition has been around since 2000 BCE, Mohammed was born 570 CE. Islam is younger than both Jewish and Christian religions. So even Christianity has a stronger claim to Israel then the Muslims. The fact is the muslims were nomadic, they wandered into the area. The Jews and Christians were KICKED out.
Still doesn't change anything. The Palestinians have a right to a free state, regardless of whatever their ancestors did 2000 years ago.

Don't attack a culture group or ethnic group or nation for the heck of it. A friend of mine said he's been Anti-American because there "weren't enough anti-Americans." Dumbass.

If you dislike someone, at least have a reason for it. Don't judge 270+ million people based on some news stories about probably only a couple of houndred of them.

El Sitherino
07-09-2003, 01:30 AM
Originally posted by Mr.Joshua
InsaneSith do you know anything about WW2? WTF are you talking about Russia would have made it into England and France, THEY DIDNT! They didn't even get halfway across Germany. WE DID. We're the one's that spearheaded the Atlantic and Pacific campaigns. We forced Germany to front a two front war, which was a main reason for their demise. Russia would have never made it into Germany if Hitler didn't have to fight us on the Western Front. THAT was his demise. WE liberated Britain. You can't say Russia would have, they didn't even get halfway across Germany while Germany was fighting a two front war. That's just hillarious thinking Russia could have taken Germany without us. The tide of the war turned with our beachhead at Normandy.

And I know why we joined the war, the fact remains that it was the US that saved Britains arse in it. There is NO debate for that, that is a FACT!

And as far as the muslims being there thousands years, and your "facts" about Jerusalem, funny how "scientists" have also deducted the date of Judgement Day in the book of Revelations, and it's come and pass 20 freaking times. So please, don't tell me "scientists" because "scientists" can't accurately deduce ANYTHING that can't be tested or quantified through a litterary work of 10's if not 100's of authors over 4000 years. The only FACT, is the Jewish tradition has been around since 2000 BCE, Mohammed was born 570 CE. Islam is younger than both Jewish and Christian religions. So even Christianity has a stronger claim to Israel then the Muslims. The fact is the muslims were nomadic, they wandered into the area. The Jews and Christians were KICKED out. My grandfather fought in WW2. he was a US marine out on the front. he was shot 7 times and still made it to the Korean war to lead a troop. he told me everything that happend. i think i might know more than you.

Jah Warrior
07-09-2003, 01:56 AM
Originally posted by Mr.Joshua
Perhaps, we "stinky filthy bastards", should have left you to ROT in 1942?

your ass would be speaking german if it wasn't for us!

in case you hadnt noticed the war started in 1939, The Luftwaffe was bombing our capital for two years before the americans plucked up enough courage to get involved. :rolleyes:

and for the record if the u.s had gotten involved earlier as the so-called good allie then maybe france, denmark, holland, norway and the Balkans amongst other places would never have gotten invaded and the war wouldnt have dragged on for 6 years and millions of lives would have been saved.

lol i love it when 12 year olds post on these matters :rolleyes:

ShockV1.89
07-09-2003, 02:25 AM
Maybe we should just forget what happened 50 years ago? It has no relevance to the topic at hand. There is no reason Europe should bow down to the USA because it helped win WW1 and 2.

Kain
07-09-2003, 02:31 AM
Originally posted by Jah Warrior
in case you hadnt noticed the war started in 1939, The Luftwaffe was bombing our capital for two years before the americans plucked up enough courage to get involved. :rolleyes:


Actually, Americans didn't 'pluck up courage'. We retaliated when we got involved in a war that, frankly, we didn't wanna be a part of. We'd of been neutral the whole war if the Japanese hadn't thrust us into the fronts.

Mr.Joshua
07-09-2003, 03:36 AM
1. First off I'm 27, nice try though assclown, don't start with me Jah Warrior. And I was talking about when the US entered the war, BOY. Which was 1942, oh sorry I'm wrong it was Dec. 8, 1941. Sue me I was 23 days off. Oh boo hoo. I love it when 17 year olds think they know so much. (sound familiar?)

2. Secondly, I too had a grandfather that fought in WW2, that's nothing special there buddy. I also had a father that fought in Vietnam and an uncle that died there, so please don't try to tell me anything about any war.

3. Russia's advance across the German front was DUE to us joining the war and causing hitler to fight on two fronts. Forcing him to spread his forces even thinner than he already had. READ ANY WW2 HISTORY BOOK, ANY, and it'll say these words. Prior to our entering Germany had beaten the crap out of the USSR. They had taken Leningrad and the only thing the Russians could do was use the "scorched earth" policy to keep the Germans from outright pillaging to resupply. Great tactic, destroy your own peoples way of life so it can't be taken by the enemy because your military sucks so bad they're getting wasted. So please don't try to tell me that Russia could have done jack crap without the US coming into the war, they were getting their asses handed to them.

4. They took Berlin after severe bombing campaigns from who? Yeah ok then.

5. I'm not calling them scientists, "scientists" note the quote marks and actually comprehend something that's written. And if you couldn't sense the sarcasm I feel sorry for you.

6. We couldn't have won without UK and USSR? Two words for you: ATOM BOMB

7. I judge them based on their history and what they've done to me and mine. WTC enough said.

Maybe we should just forget what happened 50 years ago? It has no relevance to the topic at hand. There is no reason Europe should bow down to the USA because it helped win WW1 and 2.

Those that forget the past are condemned to repeat it aren't they? It's the past that is the cause for all that is going on now. Half the iraqi population doesn't want us there now because we didn't finish Saddam off in 1991 when we could have and they were slaughtered by Saddam for rising up against him. The palestinian-israeli situation stems directly from WW2. Bin Laden stems from Soviet-Afghan conflict. It's all linked.

I'm sorry for being a little brutal, but I'm not going to sit idly bye while some Brit bashes the USA. We're the one's that have been hit the hardest in recent times. Most of the terrorist attacks in Britain are of their own doing. It's funny he bashes us yet the IRA still stands against Britain. What policies of the British government led to the forming of the IRA? huh?

Frankly, it's time the US starts fighting back. We've had two WTC attacks, one that killed thousands and tried to take our economy down. We have had direct attacks on Embassies and the USS Cole. We've had journalist's taken hostage and videotaped having their heads chopped off then shown on Al-jazeera (Daniel Pearl). It's time we fought back. There's only so much you can kick a bull before he turns around and spears you with his horns.

Homuncul
07-09-2003, 03:37 AM
Someone here really really needs to reread a history book. I suggest that all do that

obi
07-09-2003, 01:08 PM
I suggest taking an approach that doesn't involve personal attacks.

But thats just me =)

Kain
07-09-2003, 04:13 PM
Frankly, it's time the US starts fighting back. We've had two WTC attacks, one that killed thousands and tried to take our economy down. We have had direct attacks on Embassies and the USS Cole. We've had journalist's taken hostage and videotaped having their heads chopped off then shown on Al-jazeera (Daniel Pearl). It's time we fought back. There's only so much you can kick a bull before he turns around and spears you with his horns.

I hate to admit it, but he does have a point. America is gettin bashed pretty hard in this thread, and the Americans should all be appauled by the Englishman thats doing most of it.


Great tactic, destroy your own peoples way of life so it can't be taken by the enemy because your military sucks so bad they're getting wasted

Actually, thats how Russia wins wars. Lead an army into the motherland, make them use all their supplies, and leave em high and dry in the cold when Winter comes. So yes, it is a GREAT tactic. Why do you think Russia dosen't really have a HUGE army? Duh.


We couldn't have won without UK and USSR? Two words for you: ATOM BOMB

Okay, that takes care of the Japanese. What about the Germans and Italians. And we werent the only ones with a nuclear weapon. Every country in the war had their own versions of the Manhattan Project. We just pushed the button first.


I suggest taking an approach that doesn't involve personal attacks.

Couldn't agree more. For you supposedly mature 20+ year olds, you sure do act childish. Hell, I'm being more mature and I'm not even 18.

Tyrion
07-09-2003, 07:49 PM
Many countries would commit atrocities if they had enough power, and personally I believe that the USA uses thier power well enough, even though they have a few(read:alot:p) bad spots in thier history. But with that ammount of power,who wouldnt,hmm?

Mr.Joshua
07-10-2003, 01:04 AM
What the USA is doing in Iraq can not be compared to the atrocities of others. This is a time of war, death goes hand in hand with war. People are focusing solely on the US because they feel the motive is money and that we're all a bunch of greedy bastards. The typical rich get richer, poor get poorer scenario. However consider...

Is what the US is doing as bad as what Saddam did to his own people?

Is what the US is doing as bad as what Slobodan Milosevic did to his own people?

Is what the US is doing as bad as how the N. Korean governtment is treating their people?

Not to mention all the horrors of the past. The US is at war, there are going to be some unsettling things that happen. But comparing us to the likes of Hitler and Stalin and others that have propogated the mass murder of millions of people across the world is just ridiculous. We're always going to be made out as the bad guy in any situation because we are truly the only "super power" left. And that's just wrong. Would you have us adobt a policy of neutrality such as pre-WW2? Want us to huddle around our country and stay out of the world's affairs? Fine. How bout we cut off all the funding and support we give to hundreds of countries around the world. How bout we do that?

You want our money and our help, but then you bash us for even the slightest thing. Hypocrisy.

ShockV1.89
07-10-2003, 01:19 AM
Would you have us adobt a policy of neutrality such as pre-WW2?

I like this idea... there'd be less of a reason to get mad at us for everything. Although I'm sure someone would find a reason. :rolleyes:

Homuncul
07-10-2003, 02:55 AM
Actually, thats how Russia wins wars. Lead an army into the motherland, make them use all their supplies, and leave em high and dry in the cold when Winter comes. So yes, it is a GREAT tactic. Why do you think Russia dosen't really have a HUGE army? Duh.

Yeah, we do it. Napoleon payed for it, Hitler payed for it. Now it's your turn.

Actually we kicked Hitler's ass not involving the winter. Still we love treating our enemies like guests.

I welcome you!:D

ET Warrior
07-10-2003, 04:36 AM
Originally posted by obi-wan13
I suggest taking an approach that doesn't involve personal attacks.

But thats just me =)

Yeah, it IS You you stupid head!!! HA!! ;););)


I like this idea... there'd be less of a reason to get mad at us for everything. Although I'm sure someone would find a reason.

Course they would. Think of all the crap we're getting IN THIS THREAD because we were neutral in WWII for so long. So apparently just leaving everyone else alone isn't what we should do. But we also shouldn't get involved in anything either.


I've just given up on people thinking anything good about us :(

El Sitherino
07-10-2003, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by Mr.Joshua

Is what the US is doing as bad as how the N. Korean governtment is treating their people?

dude my gf(she's half korean half japanese) lived in korea for a long while. they don't treat their people badly. unless you know first hand what you are saying I suggest you not say it.

Dagobahn Eagle
07-10-2003, 10:05 PM
Tsk, tsk, tsk, some fallacies here..
1. First off I'm 27, nice try though assclown, don't start with me Jah Warrior. And I was talking about when the US entered the war, BOY. Which was 1942, oh sorry I'm wrong it was Dec. 8, 1941. Sue me I was 23 days off. Oh boo hoo. I love it when 17 year olds think they know so much. (sound familiar?)
Tsk tsk tsk.. 27 and still flaming away...

3. Russia's advance across the German front was DUE to us joining the war and causing hitler to fight on two fronts. Forcing him to spread his forces even thinner than he already had. READ ANY WW2 HISTORY BOOK, ANY, and it'll say these words. Prior to our entering Germany had beaten the crap out of the USSR. They had taken Leningrad and the only thing the Russians could do was use the "scorched earth" policy to keep the Germans from outright pillaging to resupply. Great tactic, destroy your own peoples way of life so it can't be taken by the enemy because your military sucks so bad they're getting wasted. So please don't try to tell me that Russia could have done jack crap without the US coming into the war, they were getting their asses handed to them.
Two words: Stalingrad and Napoleon.

"...prior to our entering Germany had beaten the crap out of the USSR. They had taken Leningrad and the only thing the Russians could do was use the "scorched earth" policy to keep the Germans from outright pillaging to resupply..."
Hmm... didn't say anything of this in my history books.. in fact, after Stalingrad the nazis had pretty much given up on beating Russia.

BTW, let's say China and North Korea invades the US. They bliz the west coast and move into the mainland across the Rocky Mountains. You have the choice to stop them in/at the east foot of the Rockies by destroying some cities, or to not destroy your cities and watch them get captured and used by the enemy, which will move farther into the US.

Burn cities and stop the invasion, or don't burn cities and fight the enemy. I would actually pick the second one, but I don't see anything wrong with Russia picking the first one. Those towns and cities would've been captured anyway, and then probably destroyed when the USA finally bombed the invaders out of the country..

6. We couldn't have won without UK and USSR? Two words for you: ATOM BOMB
Then why is Korea still divided and China still communist? Why did you have to pull out of Viet Nam? Because you can't use the nuke whenever you want to. History has proven that. Otherwise there'd be some mushroom clouds and high levels of radiation in all these countries..

7. I judge them based on their history and what they've done to me and mine. WTC enough said.
Great, judge a whole people based on what their leaders did. Seeing Afghanistan was a dictatorship, it's even less the people's fault, seeing they had no say in it at all.

I guess it's okay for me to hate christians then.. they don't have the best history in the world either.


Maybe we should just forget what happened 50 years ago? It has no relevance to the topic at hand. There is no reason Europe should bow down to the USA because it helped win WW1 and 2.
Ditto.

Those that forget the past are condemned to repeat it aren't they? It's the past that is the cause for all that is going on now. Half the iraqi population doesn't want us there now because we didn't finish Saddam off in 1991 when we could have and they were slaughtered by Saddam for rising up against him. The palestinian-israeli situation stems directly from WW2. Bin Laden stems from Soviet-Afghan conflict. It's all linked.
I'm 100% sure he didn't mean it that way.

ShockV1.89
07-11-2003, 12:00 AM
You are 100% right. ;)

Homuncul
07-11-2003, 05:00 AM
MydnightPsion:
Dude, I was Russias side there.


It settled then buddy

Just living for all of my life in the country where every single day you're told how Soviet regime was bad, how all russians do everything through their asses, and everything they did in history for a bit significant is due to great losses from Russia's side itself. So if such GREAT technique mentioned, it's obvious for me to consider it sarcastic. In fact if you really mean that this is a Great technique than I can tell how it always happened with russians in history. They all suffered from their own "broad soul". Soviet system worked this way: the commander in chief wants to know situation with his army, sends the request, it goes through different institutions and finally to the cammanders of the army themselves. They count their soldiers, but see that there are few in their batallions. It's not right they think, we'd better say we have 30000 instead of 28000. Then it goes further, there another minister looks at the number and points that this number is small, puts 4 instead of 3. The answer goes further to the high minister and he points that 40000 thousands is just the number of the inicial plan, but we must show to our commander in chief that we always go ahead of the plan to earn his respect or simply not to recieve a ticket to Siberia. So the number of 50000 troops in one batallion goes as an answer to the commander in chief. He says well done, everything is ok. Such situation happened with practically everything that was ever counted, troops ,riffles for the soldiers, tanks, food etc. When Hitler declared WW2 Soviet Uninon was only happy about it. After a while it was not happy at all....

So I guess it's not a great technique but a great misery of the state. Of course nothing like this happens now. The myth of the invincibility of Soviet Union is due to mislead that every russian has a great spirit. Of course they have, but if you look at the number of russian soldiers who died in battle for Stalingrad, you would only be able to say: "Soviet Union: the murders of murders to send men to death bare footed, bare handed, bare minded"

Well i guess this is all too dark and gloomy, but that is history.

Cheers

Captain Wilson
07-28-2003, 10:08 PM
on WW2, didnt germany and russia sign a peace treaty alomost imdantly before the war. Hitler would not have had to fight a war on two fronts if he didnt attck russia:confused: oh well.

and darth murphy,
The Americans are just pure filth
i dont agree with many of the Americans policys but i dont think that as a people there fith or bad. Sure there a few bad folk, but you get that in every country

Homuncul
07-29-2003, 06:49 AM
on WW2, didnt germany and russia sign a peace treaty alomost imdantly before the war. Hitler would not have had to fight a war on two fronts if he didnt attck russia oh well.

Yeaaah, they did! And Stalin was pretty paranoid when he knew Hitler is moving freely upon russian lands. Still he did nothing. He thought to the end that it's not true. He was ill and suspected treachery in everything. He was already tatal freak these days. And he was losing his power in the end, when Zhukov practically won the war, and became a national hero. Of course Stalin eliminated him after that.