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Agen
07-05-2003, 01:17 PM
I just want some opinions on overclocking, I'm considering doing it to my viedo card, jsut wanna know how many people have done it.
Most people are scared from overclocking but in my past experiences as long as you don't go crazy it'll be fine. So anyone actually had nasty experiences, if so - what video card?

•-BLaCKouT-•
07-05-2003, 01:42 PM
No I haven't.
I'd be interested in overclocking my processor, but I din't know how much of it's lifespan I'd shave off. I need to speak to a mate of mine about it, but I only see him in person once every six months or so :(

What would clocking the video card do? Improve frame rate?

B.

Agen
07-05-2003, 01:46 PM
Pretty much, I managed to get UT 03 on another computer to go form 800x600 to 1024x768 and get a better frame-rate at the same time :D

BongoBob
07-05-2003, 02:20 PM
I don't know how to do it(or else I would). Could you tell me how?

KBell
07-05-2003, 02:43 PM
I dont overclock for obvious reasons.... i want my Video card to last as long as humanly possible :p

ShockV1.89
07-05-2003, 02:52 PM
I would suggest a better fan for your video card if you plan on overclocking. Good thermal compound would help too. RAM Sinks might help if you're going extreme.

Go here for just about everything you need. Incredible website, toll free number, and the best service I've run into in a long time. I do a lot of my work through them.

http://www.frozencpu.com

The Cheat
07-05-2003, 09:31 PM
i overclocked once a while back but only boosted the processor a few hundred megahertz

BCanr2d2
07-06-2003, 01:06 AM
From reading on most sites I visited, it seems to me that a jump of around 10% in the current speeds of different subsystems will usually do no harm, as long as it is properly cooled. The main thing to be concerned with is the cooling, you will not shorten the lifespan of the card if it is cooled properly and running at the normal operating temperature of the card at normal speeds. After all, most graphics cards manufacturers do provide tools to overclock anyway....

If you do the motherboard side of things, then it's knowing the multiplier/divider settings needed for each bus so that those systems don't play up.

SofaKingCool69
07-06-2003, 01:42 AM
Nope never have

[RAA]-=Chi3f=-
07-06-2003, 08:13 AM
We overclocked a 300mhz to 500mhz at a LAN party in 1995 and it caught fire. Fried everything and the room smelled like burnt-toast. :cool:



As long as you have heat sinks/spreads on your RAM you should be ok. ATI cards in the past had overclocking software that came with the cards. I've overclocked various cards around 25% with minimal results (like 10 more fps). It's fun stuff. :D

-=ReApEr=-
07-06-2003, 08:22 AM
I might try it once i build my new computer on this pc im using now. But for now i'll just be careful. :)

Agen
07-06-2003, 09:19 AM
Ah, thanks everyone for the good feedback :)
It was with my old nvidia card i overclocked, since ATI don't supply their own overclocking software... it seems a bti dodgy :p
Still, 10mhz increases can't hurt. :)

-=ReApEr=-
07-06-2003, 09:52 AM
I might overclock my graphics card a little bit, if it doesn't run good for SWG. But thats only a maybe, i would need alot more advice first. ;)

ZBomber
07-06-2003, 11:34 AM
lol, whats overclocking?

*backs away from the boos and hisses* :D

Agen
07-06-2003, 11:39 AM
*rotten tomato hits Z on the ass*
It's where one speeds up a harware device (more mhz= more heat) and therefore increases it's use :D

Reb Starblazer
07-06-2003, 11:45 AM
I've overclocked a few things in my time such as my friend and I overclocking his processor by 100 mHz(this was back in the days when 100 mHz made all the difference though) but I haven't yet overclocked a video card. But as others have said, and I'm sure you know, cooling is the most important factor.

As for overclocking, well I'll try to put this in fairly simple terms Zed... ;)

You know those old Looney Tunes shows when Wiley Coyote would have a knob on something that goes up as far as "10", so then he writes an "11" on it and turns the knob up to that?

Overclocking is pretty much the same thing ^_^

EDIT: Termie may have beat me to it, but my explanation was much better :D

Agen
07-06-2003, 12:59 PM
Well you wantch looney tunes so we all know what your sense of judgment is like, reb :D

ZBomber
07-06-2003, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by Reb Starblazer
You know those old Looney Tunes shows when Wiley Coyote would have a knob on something that goes up as far as "10", so then he writes an "11" on it and turns the knob up to that?

Overclocking is pretty much the same thing ^_^

EDIT: Termie may have beat me to it, but my explanation was much better :D

Reb wins. Termie loses. :p

Thanks. I guess I never did that, as I don't know how (unless I have to get a crayon and dram an 11 on my video card)

Jah Warrior
07-06-2003, 02:14 PM
To put it bluntly there is no reason NOT to overclock.

You can take a £50 cpu and turn it into a CPU that would cost you £400. Overclocking is simply exploiting a loophole in the manufacturing process of cpus and graphics cards.

For example for AMD to create a different production line for every processor in their range would make all the processors extremely costly, so they make all chips on the same line and then speed is set at the factory and can easily be upped to a higher specification by means of a bios tweak. (more work is involved for old processors)

With a Graphics card all you need is a an overclocking utility like Rivatuner, this will allow you to up the clock speeds of the GPU and the onboard ram of the card. Overclocking the ram is a little more problematic than overclocking the core clock speed as it is hardware dependant in that the RAM has a speed rating and can only pushed so far without adding extra voltage.

A real life example is this:- I took my XP2500+ which has a default speed of 1833mhz and upped the frontside bus to 217 and upped the multiplier to 11.5 this resulted in giving me a grand total of 2498Mhz. (this translates to being an XP3600 if you use the AMD performance rating calculation) I then overclocked my graphics card in the following way:- the default speed for the core was 275mhz i upped it to 371mhz and then i upped the ram speed from 270mhz to 317mhz. My lowly Radeon 9500 outperforms a 9700 pro which costs at least £100 more.

Basically I've got a whole lot more power from my CPU and graphics card at no extra cost.

Now it sounds easy doesnt it? well its not quite this straight forward. To achieve the stellar speeds that are indeed possible you need to up the CPU voltages and this is where the element of risk comes into the equation. More voltage = more heat, and heat is what will kill a processor in the end. Investing a few bucks on a good cooler and proper ventilation on your rig can make running at these speeds just as safe and reliable as running at stock speeds.

Basically if you wanna overclock be conservative and step the speed up a little at a time, its when you get greedy that you start to break things you see.

Termy if you need a hand lemme know and I'll walk you through the process of overclocking your graphics card, but believe me its not as dangerous as you've probably been led to believe.

Agen
07-06-2003, 02:48 PM
bah, i made a decently long post and it just got wiped cos someone linked me in msn >:(

Thanks Jah :D
I actually have 7 fans (when my ocmp was getting uilt the PC shop down the road was shutting down so i got 7 good quality fans for £4.50 each ;))
To be honest, i'm not completely sure about where they all are in my comp :S, though i'm positive at least 2 cool my processor meaning 2+ should be on my Graphics card :p (i didn't help too much during the building part :p)
Right here i have this program called Rage3d tweak, it looks promising and i actually do have past experience using the Default Nvidia overclocker :p (only 66mhz increased though)

Your example's a very cheery :D not having a job i am not exactly rich in any way :p but your improvements look tempting :)

Termy if you need a hand lemme know and I'll walk you through the process of overclocking your graphics card, but believe me its not as dangerous as you've probably been led to believe.
Too True, i have this conspiracy that companies spread rumours abotu overclocking so people will buy their newest card rather than overclock :p
Thanks again for the info.

Jah Warrior
07-06-2003, 02:58 PM
termy,

check this link.Omega Drivers (http://www.omegacorner.com/)

You have a radeon right? well this omega driver contains an optimized version of the latest Radeon catalyst 3.5 drivers and also has an integrated overclocking tool called radclocker which is by far and away the easiest tool to use.

If you wanna see just how much of a gain you get form overclocking i suggest using 3dmark2k1 which will show you just how much of a boost you get, Its worth doing a before and after benchmark.

Agen
07-06-2003, 03:07 PM
it's a poopy Radeon 7500 32MB DDR :/
Thanks for the link, Jah :thumbsup: I actually have a version of 3dmark but it never worked on ym comp, i'll download 2k1 one though :)
Oh and SoSky says hi :D i met him on a server last night :)

Jah Warrior
07-06-2003, 03:11 PM
which server? man i really need to catch up with him.

Agen
07-06-2003, 03:21 PM
It was jsut pure coincidence i met him though. It was on
!gamesurf.de 2/5 (Duel) [NF] - 212.122.148.102:28071
I don't think he was a regular there though.. liek i said, Just luck :)
He kicks ass now btw (6-2, :() :D
He gave me his e-mail address so if you want it i can pm you it :)

Jah Warrior
07-06-2003, 03:34 PM
yeah mate if you could, that would be wicked:-

Some time ago i managed to lose an entire hard drive (bloody western digital :() hence i lost all my email addys :rolleyes:

Semicolon
07-06-2003, 04:09 PM
Never overclocked b4...

Don't want to ruin my XPS now would I??

Andy867
07-07-2003, 03:25 AM
A friend of mine overclocked his p4 from 2.56 to 3.84 with the Swiftech water cooling system, and it runs roughly 40°C on full load, and about 29 in idle. he also used ramsinks (heatsinks for RAM) and also used the Aphanix Iceberg cooling system to cool his graphics card. he pushed it up by 300%

Semicolon
07-07-2003, 06:09 AM
Wow! That's a huge increase!!!! I'm scared i'd break something...

Jah Warrior
07-07-2003, 06:40 AM
Originally posted by Andy867
he pushed it up by 300%

I must admit I find that hard to believe, even with liquid nitrogen cooling a 100% overclock still has not been reached even by those at the very top of the ladder. (oppainter & macki)

Andy867
07-07-2003, 11:05 AM
actually, if you check overclockers.org I believe, people have been able to push an entire pc to the brink of what should be frying, but peltiers, water cooling, and what not have allowed them to go farther.

Jah Warrior
07-07-2003, 12:06 PM
http://www.overclockers.org is non-existant as is a 300% overclock, those systems wouldn't even boot even if they were running at absolute zero mate.

From memory the highest I've seen the new canterwood pentiums is 4.2ghz an the highest Athlons are running at 3.1ghz and i make it my business to know these things. In all seriousness the 100% overclock is the holy grail of the overclocking world, I believe its been achieved once before, a long time ago.

farley98
07-14-2003, 12:26 AM
I learned a lot about OC'ing my card at http://www.gruntville.com. They have a cool how to in the forums and if you're into casemods, their's is the best! I got my 4400 up to over 4600 speeds with their how to.

Andy867
07-14-2003, 01:53 AM
Originally posted by Andy867
actually, if you check overclockers.org I believe, people have been able to push an entire pc to the brink of what should be frying, but peltiers, water cooling, and what not have allowed them to go farther.

Oops, I meant overclockers.com (My bad) read their stories there.