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Darth Eggplant
07-05-2003, 04:43 PM
okay I have heard said in rumour that Arnold Schawtzenagger? (sorry never could spell his last name) anyhow Arnie is thinking of running for Govenor in California. what I want to know is do you think the current Amercian Constitution needs an amendment to it. because as I understand it, any american citizen 'NOT' born in america can never be president of the untied states. I think this is wrong. theoretically all people from all foreign lands came to amercia from somewhere else, pulling the old several generations Mayflower routine is out dated, adiquated and so PC politically incorrect. I mean Ronald Regan was a two term president and clint eastwood and sonny bono also were in politics. so if Arnold wishes to become so involved I feel he should have as much opportunity as the next american to achieve this position. I mean our current goveror general in canada is a lady named adrian clarkson and she is of asian origin and she moved hear or her family did so she is of immigrany heritage and she has this high government positon. further more if she wants to become prime minister of canada I do not think there is anyhting stopping her. so i want to know what you yanks think? i mean it is your country what do you think? remember leXX is your mod and she is a woman and a Brit, yet she has status in the lucas forums community. If leXX came to america and ran for prez with the Groovster as her VeeP would you vote for her? so do you want the Terminator to be your country's president?

I vote yes Arnold or any Amercian should as an Amercian have the right to become President of the USA your countries principles must apply all for one or else none for all.

Bob Gnarly
07-05-2003, 04:51 PM
I think it's be great if he bacame President....him or Jerry Springer :D.

Agen
07-05-2003, 04:55 PM
It is unfair that you can't vote for someone born outside of america... Should be changed imo. What if he has the best ideas and plan compared to the rest? :mad:

ZBomber
07-05-2003, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
It is unfair that you can't vote for someone born outside of america... Should be changed imo. What if he has the best ideas and plan compared to the rest? :mad:

because, you would probably need to be raised in America, so you would know how regular people lived, etc. ;)

Bob Gnarly
07-05-2003, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by ZBomber
because, you would probably need to be raised in America, so you would know how regular people lived, etc. ;) Stupidest reason ever, I've lived in canada all my life and i still dont know alot about ( more then americas) but not all.

<JOTD>Jedi Hunter
07-05-2003, 05:06 PM
It's not that, it's a security issue. What if a spy became a citizen? Then ran for president. (in the unlikely situation) then he became president. Relaying information to his home country about our hidden bases and where to find nuclear missles etc. It's all a matter of security. I feel that what we have now is right. Must be born here to be president.

ZBomber
07-05-2003, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by Black Mamba
Stupidest reason ever, I've lived in canada all my life and i still dont know alot about ( more then americas) but not all.

It was a guess. Don't ask me, I didn't make the rules for the Government.

obi
07-05-2003, 05:08 PM
I think anyone should be able to run (if the are a citizen in the US). It really doesn't matter if you have a degree in college anyway, because the people decide by voting on who they want to begin with.

*shrugs*

Agen
07-05-2003, 05:13 PM
Yeh but you gotta be a citizen to run for pres then Z. It's not that hard.. is it 5-10 years? People vote for who you they want.

ZBomber
07-05-2003, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
Yeh but you gotta be a citizen to run for pres then Z. It's not that hard.. is it 5-10 years? People vote for who you they want.

They could always lie about their past. Shouldn't this be in Senate chambes anyways? ;)

Darth Groovy
07-05-2003, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by Black Mamba
I think it's be great if he bacame President....him or Jerry Springer :D.

I weep for the future.....:rolleyes:

I am divided on this matter, I mean how would you feel If I came to your country, got elected and started running things? It doesn't work in Iraq, I doubt it would work here or anywhere else, but I dunno...

Agen
07-05-2003, 05:30 PM
Originally posted by ZBomber
They could always lie about their past. Shouldn't this be in Senate chambes anyways? ;)
I'm pretty sure they'll cehck their past before making them president :rolleyes:
Also, You can put anything in the swamp, if every thread with a serious touch was moved into depressing zone then i would shoot myself. It should stay here.
If someone is elected for pres... it's not liek the people don't have a choice, they elected the for crying out loud :p

Semicolon
07-05-2003, 06:31 PM
Everyone should be given the chance to be pres..

Just like everyone is given the chance to vote.

ROCK THE PRESIDENT!

ZBomber
07-05-2003, 06:34 PM
Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
I'm pretty sure they'll cehck their past before making them president :rolleyes:
Also, You can put anything in the swamp, if every thread with a serious touch was moved into depressing zone then i would shoot myself. It should stay here.
If someone is elected for pres... it's not liek the people don't have a choice, they elected the for crying out loud :p

Well, Al Gore lied a lot about his pasts. He didn't get disqualified or anything.

RoguePhotonic
07-05-2003, 06:34 PM
There isn't that many details for it...just stuff like have to be at least 35...and have lived in the U.S. for at least 15 years...

-=ReApEr=-
07-05-2003, 06:37 PM
But since recent world events, i would guess secuirty is tighter. :)

BigTeddyPaul
07-05-2003, 10:40 PM
Sorry I feel only an American born person should be President. Nothing says you cannot be a senator or anything. Sorry just the way I feel.

I also live in California and I for one will vote for Arnold if he runs as opposed to the CRAPPY DAVIS. He has ttally ruined our government here and we need a change. I wish he would have gone this time but those stupid Republicans chose some jack ass named Simon to run against him. Simon was just as worse or if not as worse career wise.

BigTeddyPaul

Redwing
07-05-2003, 11:10 PM
California's last election kinda sucked. =/

What the fudge is up with Davis? What a time to make enormous budget cuts in education...(and gee, what a great way to alienate everyone, even those in your own party)

On topic: Yes, but I think there should be a stipulation that you have to live here for a certain number of years before you can become President. But if you're not born here, why should anyone care? I mean, c'mon. It's America we're talking about. Home of, just about freaking everyone. ^_~

Agen
07-05-2003, 11:49 PM
You can't choose where you're born.
It's true.

BCanr2d2
07-06-2003, 01:02 AM
Look at the quality of President you currently have, a hick country farm boy from Texas, who don't know diddly squat. I'd hate to see his IQ.....

Anyway, back on topic, imagine his re-election campaign, it's already written "I'll be back", it's pure genius. I can understand the reason for the non-US born not getting a chance to be president, but does that really stop those that are born in the US from being the crackpot who turned to the opposition....

Anyway, I think those times are over, and is discriminating against legitimate presidential candidates. If they are a US citizen, and have the party support, along with the campaign funds to run, give them a go...

Darth Eggplant
07-06-2003, 03:24 AM
every one is entitled to their own opinion, and as a non american i am only spouting so much sophistry, but as Darth Groovy said, I weep for the future too. some hold the opinion, that you can come to america, apply for citizenship, apply for a gun reg and NRA membership, pay taxes, vote in elections, and yet be down trodden upon because you are not really an american. such sad misfortunate hypocracy. If Darth Grrovy moved to canada got his citizenship, then yes if the people voted for you, and you wanted you could become VP. We have a canadian woman as senetor or governor of Michigan right now.

putting aside current state of affairs you can not judge any foreigner as a terrorist. Arnold came to america a long time ago, renounced his Austrian citizenship to become a proud american, he even served on a government commitee for health or something under one of your past presidents. and yet after X number of years as an american some say sorry Arnie you aint never going to be one of us.

I never realized so many of you had such proud plymith rock ancestry that went back to the mayflower. I guess also all those cold and huddled masses that came after dont count.

anyhow, all I know is that in Canada if you become a canadian citizen we allow you as a canadian citizen to go as far as you are able.

BawBag™
07-06-2003, 07:30 AM
Bah! Politics. Don't care for it much.
I'm not American, so I don't know (or care - no offense) about presidency. But maybe I'll vote in this country again if they destroy the parliament building and give me my money back......
:mad: :( :rolleyes:

-=ReApEr=-
07-06-2003, 09:47 AM
Well in England politics isn't as big as it is in America, so i can't really comment on the matter here. ;)

BawBag™
07-06-2003, 09:55 AM
Originally posted by -=ReApEr=-
Well in England......
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !
No! Please! Don't mention it again!
;)

Agen
07-06-2003, 10:56 AM
Yes, you already get enough attention, let's keep it on american politics :D

Oh and why did you psot if you didn't have a comment? :confused:

ZBomber
07-06-2003, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
Yes, you already get enough attention, let's keep it on american politics :D

Oh and why did you psot if you didn't have a comment? :confused:

Because hes hungry for posts. ;)

Anyone else think this should go to Senate? it might turn debaty. :)

Agen
07-06-2003, 01:02 PM
No because then we'd have no decent threads in the swamp. It should stay here. :)

Weapon X
07-06-2003, 03:42 PM
here's my thoughts on what THE GOVERNMENT is thinking:
in the U.S. you have to come from a good family to go to office, let alone be president, and maybe they think that a homegrown american boy will better control the country than gunter will, it's merely a speculation and if they open the door to even ONE person not born in america then they'd have to open it to all, even our enemies and in the slim chance of a citizen from one of our enemy countries came to office then they could screw the country over. that MAY be it, i don't know, but i do know that as long as the person does a good job in office then they're ok by me, even if it is Hadji

p.s.- hadji was what the marines called iraqi's

EDIT: personally, i think that most politicians are stupid money grubbing !@#$&^$#, because they send the soldiers to fight a stupid war (i was against this last war) that could've been avoided, the war was just a show of power to other countries, i was reading something in an e-mail and it says that for a retired war veteran they get $1000 a month, but politicians get like $15000 and alls they did was send the SOLDIER to another country to kill people and be killed, i don't like politicians very much, but oh well, i think servicemen need to be treated better than even the president, because they put their lives on the line so the government can have more money, not right

BigTeddyPaul
07-06-2003, 04:04 PM
I remember once I watched the English form of a senate discussing items and it was rather funny to me. Lots of yelling and gruniting and things. I think people would be called out of order in our courts but I cannot be 100% sure about that. Still really funny though from what I saw.
BigTeddyPaul

The Count
09-01-2003, 10:59 AM
Anyone is better than George Bush!

Kurgan
09-01-2003, 12:46 PM
Saying the whole "Mayflower thing" is outdated has no bearing on the rule about being born in America.

If your parents move to America from (wherever) and you are born on American soil, you are a natural born citizen, and you can someday run for president.

Most people in this country didn't come on the Mayflower anyway.
; )

And don't forget the various groups of people who came here before the Mayflower, and before Columbus.

And if you want to get technical, the Native Americans came here 15,000 years (or so) ago, long before they did.

And even they had to come here at some point, so in a sense we are all "immigrants."

But plenty of people are "born here" and that fits with the natural born rule.


As to politics, unfortunatley the political climate anymore (at least for the higher levels of government) has been best suited for the following types:

1) Rich people. It takes a lot of money to run a campaign and get the word out. Publicity helps. So people with lots of money have a built in advantage. They get pay people to say good things about them and get lots of ad coverage, and hold big rallies and things.

2) People who do and say what rich people want. Okay, so you don't have a lot of money, but you can get rich people to give you money for your campaign if you support the issues they like and "kiss up" to them, etc. This is what a lot of modern politicians do. Again, so they can get the money to campaign in style, etc.

I have no doubt that a non-natural born politician can be just as successful as a natural born one. I think the logic of the "natural born" rule was to encourage people who had a vested interest in the country (the idea being a person was more loyal if they grew up in American culture, rather than being "transplanted" and they could just as easily leave again) or that they would better understand the climate of the country by living there their whole life.

The other thing would be to stop a foreign government from sending somebody over here to become president and make decisions to benefit that other country (ie: corrupt). But of course, that is not to say that natural born presidents couldn't be corrupt (obviously, we've had our share of corrupt presidents in our history).

Of course you run into the distinction between somebody who's lived here most of their life (let's say they moved here when they were a little kid) vs. somebody born here. A few extra years might not make that much difference.

HertogJan
09-07-2003, 07:37 AM
Hmmm... I don't think foreign ppl should be able to run for president... It may sound very racist, but when someone of another culture is president, it can **** up the counry pretty badly...

Of course Arnie isn't really really different from your average American; he came to pursue the American dream after all! But you can never be sure, so I think this law should stay...

Just my two €0,02 :)