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Die Another Day
07-07-2003, 09:53 AM
I was clearing out my loft the other day when I found the most amazing thing - an intact (if slightly battered) SEGA MegaDrive II, complete with a copy of Sonic The Hedgehog. After getting all exited and plugging in the unit, I started to play what I can remember being an absolutely perfect game. I mean, it's the first ever Sonic game!

How surprised was I to find this game to be complete rubbish! I know it's old, and I took that into account, but I was wondering how the hell I was entertained as a young boy by guiding a 2-dimensional character along a bland, lifeless enviroment. Even if this game was released in the Middle Ages it would have been rubbish!

So, how many of you have found classics to be terrible? Or do you enjoy playing a MegaDrive now, surrounded by the latest technology such as PlayStation2s, GameCubes and PCs? Can you really compare Sonic The Hedgehog to the latest releases?

Boba Rhett
07-07-2003, 09:59 AM
Some of the best games to date are on some of those old systems.

07-07-2003, 10:50 AM
some still work, some dont.
i got a snes emulator on a whim and i ended up playing straight through Chrono Trigger (which i only downloaded to see what it was, as i had never heard of it) from start to finish.

One of my favorite games of all time now.

Bob Gnarly
07-07-2003, 10:52 AM
I say keep em there all great games to have when your bored, especially sonic, i love that Hedgehog.

07-07-2003, 11:02 AM
At the time, I was a devotee of Moon Patrol, and was lucky enough to get through it in it's entirety a couple of times.....

Now that I would look at it, the old side scroller, bland and repetitive background, and enemies. I would struggle to be drawn to be playing it.

Sam Fisher
07-07-2003, 06:20 PM
I have a lot of the old console games on my PC that somebody converted... those are nice.

07-07-2003, 06:29 PM
I have an old NES that I still play. I still cant get past the 6th dungeon on the origional zelda game though...damn ghost-type-things...

07-07-2003, 07:06 PM
I've still got my sister's old SNES hooked up to the TV upstairs :p
Mario World, Street Fighter II Turbo, Lemmings and Super Star Wars.
4 games. :rolleyes:

I get bored after half an hour, go downstairs and play Outcast :p

But it's still cool for when I wake up at the weekends!

:D B.

07-07-2003, 07:11 PM
That's difinetly a keeper! Sonic is way mad cool!

07-07-2003, 07:12 PM
Sonic The Hedgehog rubbish?? Blasphemy!!

I lived for Sonic and Street Fighter II on my Sega Master System. I'd love to find my old SMS. I'd be in Retro Heaven!

Father Torque
07-07-2003, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by Boba Rhett
Some of the best games to date are on some of those old systems.

How true, systems like the atari one. And Virtual Nintendo. Those are oldies but I still like the games more than the new super technology games:) . I say keep it, play it for a while. And when it gets so totally boring. Pass it on to your kids:p

Boba Rhett
07-07-2003, 07:25 PM
I'm sorry... did.... did you just say Virtual Nintendo was good? ...even going as far as to mention it in the same sentence as Atari?



*walks off to find a high enough bridge*

Father Torque
07-07-2003, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by Boba Rhett
I'm sorry... did.... did you just say Virtual Nintendo was good? ...even going as far as to mention it int he same sentence as Atari?



*walks off to find a high enough bridge*

Hey i never said which game for VN. I cant really remember his name but its the game with Marios arch-nemesis. That wass like the coolest game ever. Ooooh, but SNES was the bomb.

Boba Rhett
07-07-2003, 07:31 PM
Gah! It doesn't matter which game! :D That... "system" was horrible! It was one of the worst console ideas ever.

07-07-2003, 10:28 PM
I found my nes yesterday along with mario and duck hunt..couldnt fight the light gun though.:(

Darth Groovy
07-07-2003, 10:42 PM
Originally posted by leXX
Sonic The Hedgehog rubbish?? Blasphemy!!

I lived for Sonic and Street Fighter II on my Sega Master System. I'd love to find my old SMS. I'd be in Retro Heaven!

Street Fighter II: Turbo!!!! Now your talkin' baby!!!!

"Yoga Fire!!!!" :D

07-07-2003, 11:11 PM
Ever since I have gotten my GameCube I have stopped playing my PSX and N64 because Im so preoccupied with my GameCube.

I think my old games are crap now that i got a game cube !

El Sitherino
07-08-2003, 12:09 AM
i enjoy playing macross on my nintendo entertainment system and other old games. megadrive is cool too. i liked toe jam and earl.

07-08-2003, 07:34 AM
Heh, I found my Barcode Battler a while back. Bloody thing was responsible for every book, box, packet etc. to be cut to ribbons in my house.......:o

07-08-2003, 07:54 AM
Originally posted by Darth Groovy
Street Fighter II: Turbo!!!! Now your talkin' baby!!!!

"Yoga Fire!!!!" :D


Yeah, those were the days. Nothing beat the SNES. We used to have SFII parties during the summer. I have ZSNES and I found it to be quite enjoyable playing the classics like Super Metroid, Legend of Zelda, the Mario games.

In those days I think game developers focused more on entertainment than today's "Ours has 5 more FPS at 4X AA" It's all about game play and fun for me. Games like Castlevania, which I have played many times, are just plain fun! Also, FFVII is the only Final Fantasy game that I've played more than once (3 times); It's the only one I've played well over 99 hours. When I hear a track from either game I can imagine almost every location and event from the games. Now that's lasting appeal! 10 years from now I don't see any ORIGINAL games really worth playing

Top 10 favorite games

They may not be the best, but they've given my buddies and me the best memories (and that's all that matters) :)

Super Metroid
Final Fantasy VII
Street Fighter II Turbo
The Legend of Zelda
Blades of Steel
Fatal Fury
Tekken Tag
Super Mario Bros.
Sonic the Hedge Hog

Die Another Day
07-08-2003, 09:08 AM
How can you people all love your terrible, ancient systems?! I'm far too much into my PlayStation2 to care about my MegaDrive or even my PlayStation (the best, and probably most successful, games console ever). Games like Sonic The Hedgehog belong in a museum, whereas my three top games of all time deserve REAL playing!

1: James Bond 007 - NightFire.
2: Hitman 2 - Silent Assassin.
3: Star Wars - Bounty Hunter.

07-08-2003, 12:56 PM
Nightfire? Heh...

That was the worst game i've played on PC all year....

PC Gamer agrees with me :)

Or maybe I agree with them ;)

07-08-2003, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by Darth Coleslaw

Erm... Sho-Ryu-Ken.
*gets shy and embarrased*
It was driving me mad not saying anything!
(Ascending-Dragon-Punch, although I'm sure you all knew that ;) )
Anyway, is cool! :D

Originally posted by Semicolon
Nightfire? Heh...
That was the worst game i've played on PC all year....

Hmmm, I gotta admit, I played the PC demo and it didn't do anything for me :(
My old flatmate played his PS2 version to death though! Something in the conversion maybe?

:) B.

07-08-2003, 10:27 PM
firstly old games rule, the things that made them great then still make them great. Its teh GAMEPLAY! who cares about graphics and cool looks, i still played JK1 up until the day before JK2 came in teh mail. and secondly, nightfire wasnt that bad until the end, sort of like unreal2 :rolleyes:

<JOTD>Jedi Hunter
07-08-2003, 11:16 PM
All of my favorite games are classics. Super Star wars was and still is a blast. And X com I still play (The first one). What about that old duck hunt game. That's still a blast.

Jah Warrior
07-09-2003, 12:06 AM
must admit i lost all interest in sonic when my little bro got better at me than me:- hence the game must suck :D

I remember buying mine with my first ever pay cheque It came with Arnold Palmer golf if i remember rightly.

seriously though, i dunno where my megadrive ended up, i never sold it, perhaps its in the loft?!!?

The oldest game that i loved was a mad game for my Commodore Plus 4, it was called icicle works and you played the part of santa running round collecting presents (ironically) :confused:

07-09-2003, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by Die Another Day
How can you people all love your terrible, ancient systems?! I'm far too much into my PlayStation2

heh! playstation2?? talk about an old, out of date system... :D

I think that people have different expectations between console and PC FPS games.... i thought nightfire sucked on the PC, but i like Agent under fire on the GC... probably not that much difference, but different expectations...

Anyone who likes FF or Zelda should definately look up chrono trigger.... awesome game.

Im almost tempted to get a GBA SP, just because they are bringing out all the old classics... RK+, Zelda etc...

Mind you, not all games still work as well.... i loved Xenon 2 and Gods, but cant get into either of them now.... speedball 2 on the other hand still rules... :cool:

Boba Rhett
07-09-2003, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by Die Another Day
How can you people all love your terrible, ancient systems?!

How can you love terrible, new games? Many MANY of those old games deserve a whole lot more playing than a lot of the new crap.

07-09-2003, 09:41 PM
i agree with rhett. most/many games today are all about flash, its how good of graphics you have, so you can pull in all the money you possibly can right away, either that or it has a tie in with a recently released movie/book. i would gladly wait an extra 6-12 months for games if they um, introduced actual good gameplay into them, with engrossing and compelling storylines. some games today have those, but they are few from my POV, and many times they dont get teh attention they deserve.

07-09-2003, 09:56 PM
You guys have gotta remember that without these "ancient" systems, there would be no PS2, or XBOX, or PC games even. The new stuff has been influenced in so many ways by the benchmark original genre titles - games like Mario, Sonic, Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter, Streets of Rage (to name a few). They've all shaped the style of future games to come, defined the genres. Don't simply dismiss them as "old" and "tattered" games: you should be greatly of them.

Also, I definitely agree with Rhett and Bill. So much work and effort is put into the sheer presentation of the game, that the most important aspect, the gameplay, is quickly added on at the end. Obviously this is a gross generalisation, but it is true that game developers focus too much on the visuals, rather than the playability. I mean if I wanted to just sit and look at lovely graphics, I would watch a movie like Episode II (XD). They're missing the point of making games nowadays.

The Cheat
07-09-2003, 11:20 PM
some of those old games are great, classics. there are some games that are instantly recognized when you bring up a system, like for sega you instantly recognize sonic, nintendo 64- legend of zelda ocarina of time, and goldeneye, playstation- final fantasy, grand turismo, xbox-halo; these are the games that are referred to as classic, not all old games are classics but a few are

ET Warrior
07-10-2003, 12:01 AM
Two words. Dragon Warrior.

First game I ever played on the NES, and the game that taught me how to READ for chrissakes. Man I love that game. I played it for like, a week straight like, 4 months ago, good times.

Lil Killa
07-10-2003, 12:03 AM
Whatever ahppend to the true classic? PONG lol

07-10-2003, 11:48 AM
It's no longer a small market, where the main goal was to please the gamers. It's now a bigger seller than movies worldwide, so one of the highest seen things on the face of the earth, so companies have cashed in on it.

Sadly that also means trying to appeal to as many as possible, at the cost of quality in many parts of the game, other than graphics. Some people get hungry for money and release what is relative junk, but still get more than enough money to do a sequel and spend the rest on parties and wine.
Until games went mainstream, it was quality all the way, and delayed release dates were expected. Graphics definitely do help, immersion is the name of the game now. Splinter Cell struggles on the PS2 without the extra graphics power to give the darker lighting that was on the XBOX version, which is part of the game.

It's more of a case of trying to find the good stuff amongst the bad, not buying every piece of junk in a genre because you like that style of game.

07-10-2003, 01:52 PM
also, back in the day, most of these classic games were made by a few blokes in their bedrooms... or at the the most cottage industries... now it has turned into a multimillion dollar industry... which leaves very little room for small teams to make innovative stuff.

Can you see anyone making a game about Llamas these days???:D

THe movie industry has countered this by creating a seperate "Art House" scene for the small, odd films that works alongside the mainstream hollywood blockbusters... but apart from the odd online distributed game this doesn't seem to have happened for computer games yet...

(although 2 of the best games of recent times have been Galactic Civilizations and Combat Misson, both of which had crummy graphics, got no mainstream exposure and were developed by small teams...)

07-10-2003, 04:28 PM
*Climbs out of basement*
FINALLY after fifteen years i have modified my Duck HUnt game to let me shoot the freakin dog.
I also agree, Sonic is a classic, so what if the backgrounds aren't awesome, It's pure entertainment. I still play it when I go to my uncle's house. My friend and I also some times play Duck Hunt, SUper MArio Bros. 3, Starfox and Starfox 64.

07-12-2003, 10:34 AM
One word:

SKITCHIN! (Yeaaaaaaah!!!)

Okay, technically that's two words.

It was a Genesis game... so sue me. Still fun.. ; )

Captain Wilson
07-12-2003, 06:28 PM
thats right insane sit, TOM JAM AND EARL RULE!!!!!
all the clasics, *ahhhh* streets of rage 1+2, street fighter 2,Bision, mortal kombat 2, Reptale. But the best system ever...