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dimmu--borgir
07-16-2003, 06:38 PM
As always, please excuse me if this has already been discussed for ages....

Ok, I want to play my old favourites again. I really think I only want to play the best versions, i.e the ones with the best graphics/talkie/music.

So can someone please list ALL versions of all games below. I don't care about different languages but Graphics mode, Orchestra/MIDI and possible talkie is very important.

Maniac Mansion
Zak McKracken
Indy 3
Monkey Island
Loom
Indy 4
Monkey Island 2
Day of the Tentacle
Sam and Max
The Dig

I guess that Grim Fandango and Full Throttle only exists in one version?

For ex; I do have the original Zak 256 for Fm Towns so I guess that's the best version of that game.

Please let me know.

Thanks

CC

ATMachine
07-16-2003, 07:33 PM
Here you go. I expect that some of the information in this may be inaccurate, so I hope that those more knowledgable will correct me where I go wrong.

Maniac Mansion
1. 160x200 resolution, 16 colors. Rather ugly from today's perspective. Free with Day of the Tentacle. (Note: the Commodore 64 version has a different character selection screen and slightly different verb arrangement than the PC version.)
2. 320x200 resolution, 16 colors. Easier on the eyes. In the Classic Adventures Pack. For PC and Amiga.
3. Nintendo version. Rather ugly and in 16 colors. Censored compared to the PC version. In later releases, you can't microwave the hamster.
4. Japanese Nintendo version. Odd graphics not found on any other version, but still in 16 colors. In Japanese only.
5. Apple II version. Ugly. I've never played it, but it's similar to the PC 160x200 version.

Zak McKracken
1. 160x200 resolution, 16 colors. Again, ugly. Commodore 64 version looks slightly better than the PC version.
2. 320x200 resolution, 16 colors. The most common. Better than the older one, but still a bit ugly. In the Classic Adventures Pack. For PC and Amiga.
3. FM Towns version. 256 colors, thinner fonts, redesigned spacesuits for Leslie and Melissa, CD music.

Indy 3
1. 16 color version. On Amiga and PC. Not much different from the 256 color version.
2. 256 color version. I guess it's very similar to the FM Towns version. In the Classic Adventures Pack.
3. Mac version. Based on the 16 color version, but all dialog and interface has been rendered into high resolution. Plus each line of dialog is labeled with the name of who says it.
4. FM Towns version. Probably like the 256 color version, but it has CD Audio.

Loom
1. 16 color version. For Amiga and PC. Standard. In the Classic Adventures Pack.
2. Mac version - Never played it. I assume it's just like the PC EGA version.
3. CD version. 256 colors and full voice, but dialog, animation, and cutscenes are extensively shortened. (See my post in your first thread for details.)
4. FM Towns version. In 256 colors, but with no voice. CD audio. Has the disk version's dialog, animation, and cutscenes.

MI1
1. 16 color version. Similar to the 256 color version. Guybrush has brown hair. No pictures of inventory items in the interface.
2. Amiga version - 32 colors and much better music than on PC. Same interface as the 16 color version. Great-looking compared to the EGA version (the characters' skin color looks light pink, not red like in EGA), but not quite as colorful as the VGA version graphically.
3. 256 color disk version - same interface as the EGA version (similar to the one in Indy3 and Zak256). Good-looking. In the Classic Adventures Pack.
4. Macintosh - this version had its graphics filtered to eliminate the blocky pixels. CD version interface included. Music is based on the floppy version's if I recall correctly.
5. CD version, which has the interface of MI2 with inventory item pictures. CD audio. Other than that, similar to the 256 color version.
6. Sega CD version - same interface as the CD version and similar in almost every other way to it.
7. FM Towns version - I'm not sure, but I think it has the interface from the CD version. It may have CD audio.

MI2
1. PC version - 256 colors. Standard. No CD audio, even on CD.
2. Amiga version - 32 colors; less graphical effects than on PC. Half the music is missing, but the rest is better quality than on PC. 11 whopping disks.
3. Mac version. Same graphics filter as MI1 for the Mac above.
Nice music too.
4. FM Towns version - I know nothing about this one. You'll know better.

Indy 4
1. PC version. Standard. 256 colors. The CD-ROM version has full voice and sound, but it's also on floppies.
2. Amiga version. In 32 colors. 11 disks. Some music is probably missing, like in MI2 Amiga.
3. Mac version. Same graphics filter as MI1 for Mac, but otherwise the same as the PC CD version
4. FM Towns version - I only know that the Japanese version on this CD has a totally different layout of the verbs and inventory. I know nothing else about it.

Day of the Tentacle
1. PC version, 256 colors. Standard. On floppies and CD; the CD has full voice and sound.
2. Mac version. Same graphics filter as MI1 for Mac, but otherwise like the PC CD version.

Sam and Max
1. PC version, 256 colors. Standard. On floppies and CD; the CD has full voice and sound.
2. Mac version. Same graphics filter as MI1 for Mac, but otherwise like the PC CD version, except the screensavers are not included.
3. Entertainment Pack version for PC - In the UK only. Uses the Mac's filtering system to smooth out the blocky graphics.

The Dig
1. PC version, 256 colors. Standard. On CD only; full voice and sound.
2. Mac version. Same graphics filter as MI1 for Mac, but otherwise like the PC CD version.

Full Throttle
1. PC version, 256 colors. Standard. On CD only, as far as I know; full voice and sound.
2. Mac version. Same graphics filter as MI1 for Mac, but otherwise like the PC CD version, except the screensavers are not included.
3. Entertainment Pack version for PC - In the UK only. Uses the Mac's filtering system to smooth out the blocky graphics.

ThunderPeel2001
07-17-2003, 07:30 AM
That about covers it! :)

~ John

bgbennyboy
07-17-2003, 09:03 AM
The version of maniac mansion that comes with DOTT varies depending on where you bought it.

There were Amiga CDTV versions of Loom, Last Crusade and (possibly) MI1.

There were Atari St versions of Maniac Mansion, Zak McKracken, MI1, Loom, Last Crusade.

There was a port of Loom for the Pc Engine.

There was an AppleII port of Zak.

The entertainment pack ports also come with aspect ratio detection, windows compatibility and working sound out of the box.

ATMachine
07-17-2003, 02:08 PM
bgbennyboy, were the Amiga CDTV versions actually ever released, or did the gold masters and similar stuff just find their way into a few collectors' hands?

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but the Atari ST versions don't have much difference from the PC EGA versions, do they?

And do you have any idea what Zak for Apple II and Loom for PC Engine look like? I've never seen any screenshots of them (although judging from the pictures of Maniac Mansion for Apple II, Zak for it must have been ugly).

bgbennyboy
07-17-2003, 02:22 PM
Loom definately was and Last Crusade too I think. MI1 no-one knows.

St versions look quite like ega versions yeah.

Never seen them no, Loom pc-engine has popped up on ebay a few times though.

C Shutt
07-17-2003, 04:11 PM
Was Loom for the standard PC Engine, or the PC Engine CD?

Ray Jones
07-17-2003, 08:36 PM
i think the amiga versions are 32 colors .. cos THAT was the standard .. (mmh. the amiga mi1 box shows only pics subscribed as 256 color vga version for pc .. ?? but on the side stands 32 colors i think ..

ThunderPeel2001
07-19-2003, 04:29 AM
Which is listed in ATM's list already :rolleyes:

dimmu--borgir
07-19-2003, 04:50 PM
Thanks for the list. These are the ones I should play then:

Maniac Mansion

320x200 resolution, 16 colors.

Zak McKracken

FM Towns version.

Indy 3

FM Towns version.

Loom

This one will be hard to decide since the CD version is a talkie with shortened cutscenes and the FM towns have CD audio and non talkie. I think I go for the PC CD. Or maybe I play the Fm towns version later with a harder difficulty level.

MI1

Probably the FM towns version but I would love to play the Macintosh version.

MI2

Same as above probably.

Indy 4

Probably the Fm towns version if it has CD-audio.

Day of the Tentacle
Sam and Max
The Dig
Full Throttle


The entertainment pack sounds interesting. How much better does it looks? Is it worth to get it or the Mac versions since they probably look better?

/CC

ATMachine
07-19-2003, 07:15 PM
Loom does indeed present a dilemma. Personally, I've played both the disk version and the PC CD version, and I think I'd prefer to play the FM Towns version over the PC CD if given the opportunity. But it's your decision, after all.*

I'm not sure I'd advise trying to find the rarer Mac versions if you just want smooth graphics. ScummVM has so many graphic filtering modes these days that you'll have a hard time picking the one you want. The filtering modes are very easy to configure with bgbennyboy's Quick and Easy frontend (http://quick.mixnmojo.com) for ScummVM.

The Entertainment Pack has the same filtering system as the Mac versions, so it looks just like the Mac games, but that only works in Full Throttle and Sam and Max in the Pack, while the Mac versions do it in every game since MI1.

However, the Entertainment Pack also corrects the games' screen size ratios from 320x200 to 640x480. (ScummVM also has this feature, though, so I'm not sure it's worth it to buy the Pack just for that.)

Plus the Entertainment Pack is only sold in the UK, so it's hard to obtain, at least for me. For someone in Sweden, though, it may be a lot easier.

I don't know if the FM Towns version of Indy 4 has CD audio. If it doesn't have voices, I'd say pick up the PC or Mac CD versions.

(* As a side note, the Loom CD wins my Most Bizarre Change Award: Lord Chaos is a "he" in the disk version, but a "she" on the PC CD!)

C Shutt
07-20-2003, 05:52 AM
Chaos used to be a dude?

ATMachine
07-20-2003, 04:32 PM
Indeed so. S/he looks about the same in both versions though.

I have absolutely no idea why this was changed, or who thought the change up.

Snapcase
07-20-2003, 08:34 PM
So why exactly were the cutscenes shortned in the CD version?

ATMachine
07-20-2003, 08:48 PM
As far as I can tell, for CD space.

The Loom disk version has lots and lots and lots of dialogue. To put all of it in there in audio form might take up more resources than could be allotted to it on one CD.

ThunderPeel2001
07-21-2003, 08:10 AM
Yep, it was LA's first talkie. They trimmed a lot of dialogue out to make it easier. A lot of the dialogue was in cut-scenes so they shortened what people said and re-arranged things.

Hard to say which version is better really.

As for dimmu--borgir: Dude just play the PC versions of everything, it's probably more hassle than it's worth getting hold of the old FM Towns version of everything.

~ John

Alien426
07-21-2003, 08:39 AM
Originally posted by ThunderPeel2001
As for dimmu--borgir: Dude just play the PC versions of everything, it's probably more hassle than it's worth getting hold of the old FM Towns version of everything.

Ha! You don't know dimmu--borgir (dark fortress, right?)!

He's the backwards collector who starts with FM Towns (http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=104915) versions and then hunts down the easy stuff.

NeilKA
07-21-2003, 02:32 PM
I remember reading an article in the Atari ST magazine "ST Action" about a talkie version of MI1 that was in development (not for the ST though, I think). I've never seen any mention of it anywhere since then. Has anyone else ever heard of this or am I imagining it?

MrManager
07-21-2003, 03:35 PM
You're probably not imagining it, I recall reading something similar in CU Amiga or whatever. It was never developed though.

BooJaka
07-21-2003, 03:47 PM
That would've been cool. Wonder if it was ever started. ie: if there are any recordings of voices about.

NeilKA
07-21-2003, 06:37 PM
I'm almost certain that the ST Format article mentioned that the author had heard what there was of the voices. I seem to remember he described it as being a "whiny American kid", or something similar.

MrManager
07-21-2003, 06:43 PM
If it was produced I'm sure one of the designers would have mentioned it to somebody at least one of the numerous times people have spoken to them.

ThunderPeel2001
07-24-2003, 01:33 AM
Funny you should say that, but when I interviewed Hal Barwood he DID mention a Monkey Island talkie! He said something like "LucasArts had gotten it's feet wet with talkies first with Monkey Island. With Fate we knew pretty much what we were doing."

Something like that. I'll post this never-before-seen interview if my website ever gets put back up.

~ John

bgbennyboy
07-25-2003, 04:18 PM
From what ive heard an experimental talkie version of MI2 was done. I dont think it was ever intended to be a full blown project rather it was a test as Aric Wilmunder was extending the engine to cope with talkies at the time, with FOA talkie being the result. Apparently there was only the Rapp Scallion scene recorded, with just lec people doing the voices.

ThunderPeel2001
07-26-2003, 05:08 AM
Ahhhhh! That's interesting! Thanks BG!

~ John