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legameboy
07-20-2003, 09:44 PM
I'm talking about this 'RPG n00bie' bashing. Let me say a couple things about it. What is the point of it? You aren't getting better, you're wasting time, not to mention you are ruining other people's fun. Just because you won by 72 points on a server that people don't really fight on, and have players that really stink at JK2, doesn't mean you are 'teh r0xx0r k1ng 0f 4ll dud3$', in fact you might stink yourself, just you are better than a certian group. The only way to prove yourself is to fight people who are better than you, and study what they are doing and what their strategies are, then go out there and see what you can do.

Another note, some people take this game too seriously, say if they lost a clan match or a 1 vs 1 duel, they get all up and tight and start flaming and cussing till heck freezes over. Some people forget that this round, flat plastic disc with a hole in it called Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast, is used as an entertainment device for the digital fun of all, not a object to get upset about. If you want to be competitive, play a real-life sport.

I'm not good at Jedi Knight 2, you can flame me all you want, but I was just pointing out some things.

Sam Fisher
07-20-2003, 11:08 PM
I'm an avarage(sp?) player, I get beat alot, but I never flame the winner. I dunno why people do.

legameboy
07-20-2003, 11:14 PM
It's because the game is or is near the center of their life... sometimes this is literal. ;)

Sam Fisher
07-20-2003, 11:20 PM
No frickan kidding... I hate it when they start calling names.

legameboy
07-20-2003, 11:34 PM
One time, I was playing on a server, and I kicked someone, because they kicked someone else, and she was "WTF!!!", so then I said "Kick me" so she did and she was like "You ONLY could kicked :mad:" (It was like she was taking revenge :rolleyes: ) So I answered "Yep, I got kicked" and she got even more mad because I didn't get mad, lol. :rolleyes:

Sam Fisher
07-20-2003, 11:42 PM
YEp, that's classic :)

shock ~ unnamed
07-21-2003, 02:10 AM
ehh yeah it gets silly at times but you have to understand it's no different than trash talking on a basket ball court.

We don't "hate" each other but when you take a group of people who *only play the game to compete, people are going to get riled up.

You have to remember there is a large # of people out there like us who don't care about yoda skins, darth maul maps or chewbacca models.

And while a lot of us are sw fans the reason we play is to win at a competition, not be "immersed in a virtual universe".

To us it’s no different than two rival colleges playing in a bowl game. Of course there will be some smack talk; with out it the victory would not be as sweet.

But in the end we all know it’s just a game and know it’s all just in good fun.
It's not like we wish cancer upon the guy we are playing or flaming or anything stupid like that.

legameboy
07-21-2003, 03:17 AM
Alright, everything is cleared up now. :cool:

Shotokan
07-21-2003, 07:11 AM
Did you ever like, try to do a strafe jump over someone and end up kicking someone? I did and got called a lamer... I tried to explain myself and got kicked... LoL

Tosh_UK
07-21-2003, 08:42 AM
Originally posted by Shotokan
Did you ever like, try to do a strafe jump over someone and end up kicking someone? I did and got called a lamer... I tried to explain myself and got kicked... LoL

hehheeheh aye just shows you how lame some players are. in CTF I will grpk a lot, normally a good way to stop rage flag runners.

well I normally only go after Flag runners, but will kill some one that's annoying me by getting in the way. well I don't want to mess around and want to get them out the way quick. so grip and kick they are dead in seconds (or if a absorb user Kick them over and a few blast from a blaster. trouble is the players take it to hart, I will see some thing like Ranger you lamer or such like. then this player needs to avenge his honour by killing me. some times its easer to let them kill me, so I can get back to defending flag or zapping are flag runner. but some times they don't let it drop. some times its good as they have 2 or 3 guys all trying to kill me (hehehe makes are life easier on flag runs) or they just get more and more worked up about me killing them!!! if I was using a rocket bug or some over lame arse bug I would under stand them getting upset, but as far as I can tell Grip kick is a legal move and one way of stopping a rage runner on a small map.

games can be emotional but if I ever get that worked up I normally go spectator mode or leave the game lol.

[fk]mediablitz
07-21-2003, 11:35 PM
did everyone else miss the irony in this thread? He made a thread declaring how sick he was of people complaining about RPG newbies, and then made a post making fun of an rpg newbie who got furious because he kicked her.

legameboy
07-22-2003, 02:09 AM
Did you read the rest of my post?! I was also tired of people taking the game too seriously, and she was.

[fk]mediablitz
07-22-2003, 02:15 AM
uh, and that's exactly the type of thing we are complaining about in our anti-rpg newbie threads...so what was your point again?

Prime
07-22-2003, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by legameboy
I'm talking about this 'RPG n00bie' bashing. Let me say a couple things about it. What is the point of it? You aren't getting better, you're wasting time, not to mention you are ruining other people's fun. You realize that this is exactly how many people feel about RPGers because they refuse to play the game as it was intended? Thus RPGers aren't getting better, are wasting time, and are ruining other people's fun.

bbrrrinnngg "Hello, Kettle? This is Pot. Your black."

Originally posted by shock ~ unnamed
ehh yeah it gets silly at times but you have to understand it's no different than trash talking on a basket ball court.While this is correct, in all my years of playing competative basketball, I have never heard people call each other "gay" or a move "lame" :D

griff38
07-22-2003, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by shock ~ unnamed

We don't "hate" each other but when you take a group of people who *only play the game to compete, people are going to get riled up.




I know you are not a hater, but you can't speak for everyone else. There are some serious "haters" out there bashing new players. I imagine 99% of the people who have insulted me from the safety of their keyboard could never stand 2 feet away and say it to my face.

These people are bullies. Court trash talk is one thing, but some people only have the balls to talk like that from behind a monitor. Say some of things said about newbies here in person and somebody would get hit in the face.

Reminds me alot of road rage. Wimpy little geeks screaming, flipping people off, cutting in line, but then if they have to stop a light next to you they hide their head or look away.

I hate fake tuff guys who talk the talk but don't walk the walk.

RoxStar
07-22-2003, 03:12 PM
People who flame the board because they lost to a multiplayer JK2 match should get a real problem.

Rad Blackrose
07-22-2003, 08:08 PM
I believe the poster above me has no clue on what he was talking about. Moving on...

http://webpages.charter.net/ltship/blackrosescorner/images/shot0001.jpg

http://webpages.charter.net/ltship/blackrosescorner/images/shot0002.jpg

Those two pages link out to a person who called me an exploiter. The sad thing was that I wasn't exploiting, I was beating the living hell out of him with the grip kick and he continually failed to counter it.

It is this kind of whining that steered me in the direction of the ASC, and ultimately idiot bashing. Failure to acknowledge a legit manuever, then cry a river brings only a look of idiocy on the cryer.

Another thing that has irked me is that the last time I checked, I looked on the box and it said FPS. HOLY ****! FPS! That means FIRST PERSON SHOOTER! That also means your going to be riding my damn rocket if I catch you chatting or standing still (Quake reference there). If I wanted a chat room with a bunch of guys (yes, note the word guys... More on this later if you have not figured it out by now) /amkissing each other, I'd play EverQuest, or better yet, Star Wars Galaxies! Oh, wait a minute, SWG is ridden to hell with bugs and "bad dev complex." Forget I said that, but that still leaves EQ!

Seriously, infringing on my playstyle, technique, and overall not having a clue about game mechanics deserves a general flame in your direction.

Kain
07-23-2003, 05:20 AM
I can understand peoples frustrations. I mean, when you just grip and throw someone off a cliff or kick them off over and over, then yea, they have every right to call you lame. The purpose of the game wasnt who can throw off who the most. Fight with your sabers and screw the force.

Tosh_UK
07-23-2003, 07:42 AM
Originally posted by MydnightPsion
I can understand peoples frustrations. I mean, when you just grip and throw someone off a cliff or kick them off over and over, then yea, they have every right to call you lame. The purpose of the game wasnt who can throw off who the most. Fight with your sabers and screw the force.

hope your being sarcastic, but if not what the noobs are you on about... Fight with your sabers and screw the force, your must be a fanboy or a one arm player, cant you do more than 1 button at a time!

shock ~ unnamed
07-23-2003, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by Prime
While this is correct, in all my years of playing competative basketball, I have never heard people call each other "gay" or a move "lame" :D

I'm sure you have seen fights, people getting up in each other's face and/or altercations like such when tempers flared though.

The point I was trying to make was there is a big difference between competitive "trash talking" and "player bashing".

I've bashed and flamed every single clan or player I've ever competed against but win or lose I have respect for them all.

And while I may tell a player from a rival clan that they "suck" in the middle of a match, I would never say something like that to a guy who just bought the game and is learning it or some dude who was just playing for fun like a lot of people do.

Thing is a lot of the true "player bashing" is coming from the people who claim to be the "good guys" in this community.

Do I go around and chat kill people and kick them off ledges just for the fun of watching them flip out?

Sure.

But I'm not going around making racial, anti Semitic, homophobic, derogatory slurs at people just because they can play a video game better.

I really do feel sorry for the people who have bought jk2 in the last 6 months because I know if I had not been playing back in the days when the game was in it's prime I sure as hell would want nothing to do with this community of cry babies and whiners.

And that's all this "rpg bashing" is about really.

There are a lot of us out there who want people to be able to enjoy actually playing this game and not having to fear being screwed with by some nazi/noob admin or silly ass code of honor clan.

Now I know people always say "blah blah it's their server if you don't like it leave."

For that I point no further than the grendel/ffa server.

Right there in the motd it says laming is allowed and asks people not to complain about silly saber off rules because they do not apply here.

And sure enough every 30 damn seconds "lamer", " you lamer", "****ing lamer" is all you see.

Even when the grendel admins ask nicely to please refrain from bitching and moaning the "we have honor" types always reply with something like "**** you mother******* ***** ******".

The problem I personally have with this is, this stupid ass backwards mentality has become like a plague. It does not stay confined to specific servers and people do try to force it upon others constantly.

So if this is the common vibe among most jk2 players these days, I'll be damned if I conform to it just so I don't get voted off a server by a pack of ***holes.

And while it may seem like some of us take it too far by trying to provoke them, if you were constantly flamed or insulted simply because you just tried to play the game the best you could and enjoy it, you would not feel to inclined to respect these people or their silly little rules either.

[fk]mediablitz
07-23-2003, 01:17 PM
Well said.

Luc Solar
07-23-2003, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by MydnightPsion
I can understand peoples frustrations. I mean, when you just grip and throw someone off a cliff or kick them off over and over, then yea, they have every right to call you lame. The purpose of the game wasnt who can throw off who the most. Fight with your sabers and screw the force.

I'm pretty sure you're just kidding and this is a flame bait but...


Please explain what you're supposed to do with this power called grip? You know, like "honourable gripping".

Also, please explain why Raven has put "voids" in maps? What is the function they had in mind for these pits?

Rad Blackrose
07-23-2003, 03:01 PM
Originally posted by MydnightPsion
I can understand peoples frustrations. I mean, when you just grip and throw someone off a cliff or kick them off over and over, then yea, they have every right to call you lame. The purpose of the game wasnt who can throw off who the most. Fight with your sabers and screw the force.

You are as full of crap as the idiot that called me an exploiter for using the grip kick.

Boo hoo.

legameboy
07-24-2003, 02:42 AM
I wouldn't say screw the force, even though it can get adjitating when the same person has thrown you to your doom 15 times, but who cares?! Whining newbies or people who took the game too seriously would whine about that, and I have come to the conclusion that: Whining Newbies+Too Serious Gamer=RPG n00bie.

I may be bad at playing but I don't whine . If anyone would like to play with me (not for competition 'cause I stink :D , but just for plain fun, tell the the time and server you'll be on. :D )

Mr.Joshua
07-24-2003, 10:19 PM
"Serious Gamers" will never = RPG Newbie....ever.

Ranger, isn't it funny how people that play with force+guns cry about a move being "lame" when they have a ranged projectile weapon and you're just beating em up with a glow rod and the force?

legameboy
07-25-2003, 02:11 AM
Hehe, glow-rod, hehe... classic... I mean yeah, that, that is stupid. :p

Khier
07-25-2003, 09:09 AM
Originally posted by Mr.Joshua
"Serious Gamers" will never = RPG Newbie....ever.

A serious gamer is one thing, but I think what he was referring to were perhaps uptight players, people who insist on bowing and such crap or power tripping admins and etc.

Spider AL
07-25-2003, 09:13 AM
I'm talking about this 'RPG n00bie' bashing. Let me say a couple things about it. What is the point of it? You aren't getting better, you're wasting time, not to mention you are ruining other people's fun. Just because you won by 72 points on a server that people don't really fight on, and have players that really stink at JK2, doesn't mean you are 'teh r0xx0r k1ng 0f 4ll dud3$', in fact you might stink yourself, just you are better than a certian group.

A First Person Shooter is and always has been a multiplayer experience that revolves around one goal: To kill your opponent by any and all means that the game's physics and weaponry will allow.

The much reviled "RPG Sabre noobies" are the type of people that go onto a non-RPG server and attempt to RPG on it. There are two problems with this sort of action.

1. They're using up slots that could be used by normal players to actually play the game. Less of a problem these days, as the numbers are dwindling anyway. But the principle is sound.

2. They don't just RPG. They want everyone to RPG. They whine when they're killed in a way that doesn't fit in with their particular idea of what's "legal". They band together and kickvote normal players off.

Personally I can't stand this sort of player to any degree, and would be happy if they all found another game to play. Something like... grenade baseball. It's not going to happen, but hey.

If you want to be competitive, play a real-life sport.

People can be competitive at whatever they want. That's their choice. Immaturity notwithstanding, competitive spirit keeps people playing the game longer than any other type of player.

legameboy
07-25-2003, 06:22 PM
I was referring to my experiences playing JK2, and I don't really play that much anymore, you have probobly played much, much more than I have.

[fk]mediablitz
07-25-2003, 09:38 PM
perfect example. Lately i've been working on my NF dueling, just out of boredom. I went into a server called =AF= something, and challenged one of their members to a duel. As soon as the duel had initiated (I was standing right next to him) he kicked me down and attempted to hit me with red. I bounced up and proceeded to kick him down and hit him on the ground over and over until he was dead. He then said to the admin "Padawan (I was on as padawan) is a lamer and a kick whore, kick him." I said "I wouldn't have kicked you, as i'm here to work on my saber technique, if you hadn't kicked me down and tried to hit me on the ground first." The person I dueled said "Liar, quit making **** up." The admin said "That would be laming. AF do not lame, Bye." and kicked me.

FK | unnamed
07-25-2003, 10:58 PM
please dear god oh please score some teamffa matches I am so itching to play some of these "WE WILL OWNZ UR CLAN111!!!" people. We tried like hell to get matches w/ a lot of clans like *BS*/M0H/SiN but none would take.

Rumor
07-25-2003, 11:04 PM
i know a few of sin heard me talk about fk. they may not match, but you never know.

FK | unnamed
07-25-2003, 11:15 PM
they wont match if they know SF/ shockwave members are going to be their opponents but I'm not sure if sin/moh ever had any members meet any fk players.

jesus man if you could score us a match w/ sin u will be teh man!11

shukrallah
07-26-2003, 01:59 AM
Easy fix, kill everyone who doesnt have the box above there head. I dont care if your saber is off, im ganna shoot you or slash you, cause your there to play. I cant stand it when people have there sabers off, and walk around the map for no reason. JKII is an action game, not an RPG. I mostly go on servers with out mods, cause there are no 'rules'

About people who force you to bow in a duel: watch star wars, did luke and vader bow down? no... did anyone in luke's jedi acadamy bow down in SP? no.

About people who make that dumb rule, duels only, lamers will get kicked: Alright, no one dueled in the battle of geonosis, jedi just ran around slashing up droids. And if raven and lucasarts wanted the game to be only duels, they would have made it that way-crap they did, go find a duel server! In FFA everyone is supposed to run around slashing and shooting people. :P

-lukeskywalker1

[fk]mediablitz
07-26-2003, 03:45 AM
UJ, I am the undisputed master of taunting newbie clans into matches. One day come on the FK channel and we'll go TFFA hunting.

Khier
07-26-2003, 07:24 AM
Originally posted by [fk]mediablitz
UJ, I am the undisputed master of taunting newbie clans into matches. One day come on the FK channel and we'll go TFFA hunting.

Make sure to shoot some demos while you're at it. ;) :)

Rumor
07-26-2003, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by FK | unnamed
they wont match if they know SF/ shockwave members are going to be their opponents but I'm not sure if sin/moh ever had any members meet any fk players.

jesus man if you could score us a match w/ sin u will be teh man!11

well, white did try and recruit me a while back, and since their gibson got h4x0red i'm not hostmask banned from their forums. i've gotten a new alias made up and **** (gotta remember waht the **** it is) but i'll see what i can do

Rumor
07-26-2003, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by [fk]mediablitz
UJ, I am the undisputed master of taunting newbie clans into matches. One day come on the FK channel and we'll go TFFA hunting.

actually i could say that you had been talking **** about them, etc etc and we could somehow get a match.

tho it would be leet to have the people who have been spited by them to do the asswhipping. (s~, me) just alias as fk or something and kick some ass, then change our names when the match is over. oh, and u kno fallen would have to turn it into a vid for own-age.com ^^

Chewie Bakker
08-04-2003, 10:31 AM
The only reason to have your saber off in a FFA is if you're hiding in a dark corner waiting to ambush someone. Otherwise, as Darth Vader said in RotJ:

:vadar: You are unwise to lower your defenses!

If people want to RPG, then people can go to an RPG server.

Still, as MydnightPsion said, there are also people who whore the 'easy kill' moves. Or used to, at least. It's been a long time since I played MP online. Who can forget the "assfighting" and "DFA-spamming" feuds?

But it is only a game (albeit a cool one :D), and FFA does stand for Free For All, so I guess ranting and raving and carrying on is "allowed." :nut:

:gben: The Force will be with you, always.

<EJK>DevMapAll
08-11-2003, 06:56 PM
Originally posted by shock ~ unnamed
If you’ve ever:

Said “Press K and duel me you !@#$&”
Used /amsit to avoid taking a hit.
Complained about “lamers”
Gotten mad because someone did not bow.
Said “Force is gay.”
Called someone a kick whore.
Thought that every player that out kicked you must be scripting.
Used admin mod commands like sleep, slap and empowerment just to beat people.
Called a vote to kick players you could not kill.
Gone to a full Force server and said, not asked, “NO FORCE” before a fight.

Then congratulations, for you truly are a JK2 saber noobie.

Amen.