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Hyperglide
08-10-2003, 11:01 PM
I've narrowed my type of car down to 4. A Chevy Cavalier, Pontiac Sunfire, Chrysler or Dodge Neon, and or a Dodge Stratus. All aged between 1995 to 2000.

Why those 4 kinds? Because they are cheap. Although Stratus' are gas guzzlers instead of mizers. OK scratch Stratus I narrowed it to 3.

I would've liked a Honda Civic (between a 95 to 98 year model) but they are pretty much outta my league. For the same Km's it costs about a grand more in Canadian dollars.

SO i'm askin you guys the forum members if you know ANYTHING about these kinds of cars what's their strengths and weaknesses? Pro's and Con's?

All are obviously gas misers, cheap on insurance (which is what i'm going for economical), and low km's. I'm looking at 4 doors too. Also is it really better to get Manual instead of Auto? Lots of ppl have said Manuals are better. The only problem is I can't drive a Standard lol.... And i'm not getting racing models like Z24's or Gt's because I hear the insurance is sky rocketing on those models espicially if you're male (which sucks ass).

My one friend has a Cavalier (he drives one although now it's quite old and falling apart at the seams) and says to go with that. A lot of people suggest them. But the 2000 neons I was looking at were nice with lots of amenities and they actually look quite sexy on their own (no modifications), and was wondering if anyone knows about Neons? One of my co-workers drives a Neon and another drives like a 2001 sunfire. Although my sunfire will be a few years older can anyone tell me about these 3 cars?

THANKS A LOT O!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

El Sitherino
08-10-2003, 11:59 PM
get an old chevy nova :)

Hyperglide
08-11-2003, 12:56 AM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
get an old chevy nova :)

Sure I would if I wanted an old piece of crap like that.

Please just give me info on the 3 car's above or a Honda Civic.

edlib
08-11-2003, 12:57 AM
Had a Cavalier... hated it. Will most likely never buy Chevy again. Or any GM.
Hell,.. I may never buy American again after that experience,.. plus after that car I managed my way into an Audi 5000CS Turbo (fully loaded) that ruined me for everything else.
Get a VW. :D An old Jetta should still be cool.

Seriously... The Cvic would be first on my list. Out of the other ones you listed though I'd have to go with the Stratus. I've heard mixed things about the Neons,.. plus they're kinda wimpy looking.

Hyperglide
08-11-2003, 01:23 AM
Well if I had the money I would get a VW. But i'm going for economical and reliability here. Hence why I chose those three cars. I already took the Stratus out because it eats gas like crazy (damn V6).

I've been hearing mixed things about Neon's as well edlib, but I hear a lot of good thing's about Cavalier's and Civic's.

Darth Eggplant
08-11-2003, 01:27 AM
when you go to buy your car, be sure to take a screen shot of the new forum with you so they can custom paint your car to match:D

El Sitherino
08-11-2003, 12:55 PM
get a civic crx. :) those things can be modded to godly speeds.:D

WolfmanNCSU
08-11-2003, 01:05 PM
I am personally an SUV guy so I would have been able to help you a lot more if you wanted an SUV...

However, the Cavilier is not that great of a car. I am not impressed and they are not rated very high.

Something that will help you a lot is if you do a google search on Car Consumer Reports. They will give you a lot of details about those models and maybe some others that you have not considered. You can look at their performance ratings and their reliablity.

Hope this helps a little. Let us know what you find after the consumer reports.

TheJackal
08-11-2003, 01:15 PM
I'm thinking of buying a used car one of my friend's neighboor is advertising for sale.

Its an old classic beattle by VW. Its in great condition and the car itself is cool in my opinion. Nobody has it on the road so its a plus. Nobody wants it so nobody will steal it :) and its stylish, fuel efficient. I'm thinking of painting it black or somet wierd colour. Right now its bright yellow.

Hyperglide
08-12-2003, 01:45 AM
Thanks Wolfman NCSU.

I got a great link to eopinions.com and read a whole bunch of opinions on the Neon, Cavalier, and Sunfire.

A lot of the Cavalier and Sunfire opinions were mixed, but the Neon had quite a lot of positive ones. Which was a plus because i'm mostly attraced to that one anyways.

I think i'm gonna go with the Neon but we'll see i'm still gonna test drive 'em to see if it's the right fit for me or not.

Thanks for all the help guys. ;)

Kylilin
08-12-2003, 06:00 AM
Out of those you listed, I'd go for the cavalier or the neon. they are both pretty good on gas, and as long as you keep up with servicing them, they can last a long time. another possibility would be looking at a 94-98 Nissan Altima, they are great cars, good mileage, not too expensive, and they'll last.

ET Warrior
08-12-2003, 06:04 AM
I own a 2000 cavalier two door.

It currently has 11,000 miles and i have never had a SINGLE bit of trouble with it. The gas mileage is GREAT, 160 mile trip barely takes a quarter of a tank. Although I haven't checked the size of my tank, I believe I get around 30+ miles to the gallon, so the cost of keeping it fueled is low.


I know nothing about the Neon, so I can only recommend the Cavalier as it is a great car.......at least for me.

BongoBob
08-12-2003, 07:57 AM
Go down to walmart and buy a skateboard:D
I don't know, all I know is my car is a Darkstar with Metallic blue Phantom 2's and the fastest bearings ever made!!!
I love my skateboard. I got it for mainly transportation, and am starting to learn tricks:D
I can make it down the street to the 7-11 and back in like 5 minutes:)

GUNNER
08-12-2003, 08:11 AM
Originally posted by Hyperglide
Sure I would if I wanted an old piece of crap like that.

Please just give me info on the 3 car's above or a Honda Civic.

Piece of crap?

Obviously you know nothing about old muscle cars and so then you should then be condemned to ride in some lame ass rice turd.

It takes a real man to handle a 1968-1970 Nova with a 427 wedged between the frame rails with a 4 speed so your propably right. Go for the limp wristed turd bucket you mentioned.

BongoBob
08-12-2003, 08:15 AM
No flame wars People;)

GUNNER
08-12-2003, 08:53 AM
That was no flame..Just facts.


When I flame ,you will know it.;)

BongoBob
08-12-2003, 09:01 AM
Yes sir Mr Juggernaut Sir;)

GUNNER
08-12-2003, 09:05 AM
At ease soldier


:cool:

Darth Groovy
08-12-2003, 10:10 AM
Get a real car. One that won't give you problems. Buy a Nissan.;)

STTCT
08-12-2003, 10:17 AM
I owned a Neon 1998. It was great. Its a good car especially if you want something economical but one that has some pep. Actually the Neon has more horses than the Civic. I personally own a Toyota Corolla, which is in the class you are looking for as well. I love my 'rolla. You should check into it as well - if it is affordable.

Darth Groovy
08-12-2003, 10:28 AM
I currently drive a '98 Saturn which is a car I now hate. I bought it because soooooo many people went on about how good of a car it was. They must have been lying. I have talked to other Saturn dealers since, who are also dissapointed. I suppose at one time it was a good car, but I found that it gives me nothing but trouble. I bought the car at a time when I had low credit, so my payments are kind of high. The biggest mistake I made was trading in my '93 Nissan Sentra, for the Saturn. I drove the Sentra for 5 years without a single problem other than minor maintenance and regular oil changes. I had 130,000 miles on it when I sold it, and I still see it being driven around town by it's new owner. The car wasn't much to look at, but it sure took care of me and itself.

Now that my credit is better, I am looking into trading off the Saturn for another Nissan Sentra. The only major changes on the new Sentra's are on the exterior. The new ones look much better.

The old:
http://www.nx2k.com/sentra/gregscar1.jpg

The New:
http://www.velocityphotos.com/images/stk/2003/ns2003sentraser01.jpg

Dath Maximus
08-12-2003, 05:25 PM
http://www.edmunds.com/media/generations/ford.ranger/92.Ford.ranger.f3-4.175.jpg


a shade darker of green and you have my truck.....only mine is a bit more beat up....

and its got me in it....yeah...

Anthony
08-12-2003, 08:27 PM
What ever you do, dont get a sunfire, they are terrible for performance, they break down too fast, and they are a little on the noisy side (inside that is)

Elegy
08-12-2003, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by GUNNER
Piece of crap?

Obviously you know nothing about old muscle cars and so then you should then be condemned to ride in some lame ass rice turd.

It takes a real man to handle a 1968-1970 Nova with a 427 wedged between the frame rails with a 4 speed so your propably right. Go for the limp wristed turd bucket you mentioned.
:rock: That brought a tear to my eye. I'd kill for a car like that.

I'm more of a Mustang guy, myself. The 302 in my '85 5.0 GT isn't quite up there with that Nova's 427 block. But it hauls some decent ass. What I'd really kill for though is a 1969 Ford Mustang Mach 1.

El Sitherino
08-12-2003, 10:53 PM
I found a ... 71 nova i think it was for 5500. I so want to buy it. it's in good condition too!

*runs off to tell parents*

Kylilin
08-12-2003, 11:09 PM
my car is kinda like this one here, except for the cool rims.

http://www.altimas.net/cars/blbrd3.jpg

Elegy
08-13-2003, 01:16 AM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
I found a ... 71 nova i think it was for 5500. I so want to buy it. it's in good condition too!

*runs off to tell parents*
Sweet! Not a bad price. Get it! Get it! Get it!

I'd take a Mach 1 Mustang, a Nova, A Chevy SS, a Camaro, or a Firebird Trans Am. Oh hell, I'd take just about any sweet 60s - 70s muscle car.

GUNNER
08-13-2003, 08:16 AM
This is what you need...http://www.realoldspower.com/cgi-bin/class/ads.cgi?ct=Street%20Olds&md=second&id=482&min=&max=

GUNNER
08-13-2003, 08:19 AM
A better shot...

Darth Groovy
08-13-2003, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by GUNNER
This is what you need...http://www.realoldspower.com/cgi-bin/class/ads.cgi?ct=Street%20Olds&md=second&id=482&min=&max=

Yeah man, but it's an "Oldsmobile"!?:confused:

Elegy
08-13-2003, 07:22 PM
Originally posted by Darth Groovy
Yeah man, but it's an "Oldsmobile"!?:confused:
Hey, those oldsmobiles kicked ass in the 60s. They're not the slow turd buckets that the 70-year-old man at your church drives every day today. It was that whole smog nazi OPEC era that neutered alot of cars in the mid 70s.

GUNNER
08-14-2003, 01:24 AM
This car will run mid 12s all day. Best so far is a 12.78@106mph. Show me what you have that will do that.

edlib
08-14-2003, 02:36 AM
Heh heh... my best friend's sister used to have one of those Gunner. She had a 442 at one point. I think she had an old Buick for a while too.
His dad had a '68 or '69 Camaro convertable, and a Road Runner Superbird that he restored.
My friend had an old Dodge Dart 4-door,.. with a tricked out V8. :D The ultimate sleeper car... fast as hell, but nobody would ever suspect it.
He also had a Rambler that he drag-raced with.

It was always fun to hang out at his place... muscle-car heaven!

XERXES
08-14-2003, 03:46 AM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
get a civic crx. :) those things can be modded to godly speeds.:D you mean the same "godly" speeds that a stock camaro or corvette could reach? *laughs*


when I look for cars I look for: Leather Seats, Power Seats, Keyless Entry, wait those are all standard on new cars.

and those were not "flames" they were facts.

Hyperglide
08-14-2003, 04:45 AM
Well i've basically decided to get the Neon. I lot of factors have varied into my decision.

Things such as safety features, modding capabilites, stock bhp, insurance, styling, amenities, beat out the other car's I chose at the same price so it's Neon all the way!!

In about 1.5 to 2 months I'll have enough money saved for a hefty DP on a Used 2000 Neon LE (don't know if it's gonna be a Dodge or Chrysler yet like it matters Daimler-Chrysler is the same damn company anyways).

Piece of crap?

Obviously you know nothing about old muscle cars and so then you should then be condemned to ride in some lame ass rice turd.

It takes a real man to handle a 1968-1970 Nova with a 427 wedged between the frame rails with a 4 speed so your propably right. Go for the limp wristed turd bucket you mentioned.

*COUGH COUGH* SARCASM *COUGH HACKKKKKKKKK*

I know my old school car's to and I wasn't dissing 'em all. I was looking for something new and economical on gas insurance and maintenance. If I could afford an older car (like a Charger, or Cougar or Semi-Cuda or Shelby 350 GT) sure i'd probably get one but that's what I wasn't looking for so ya.....

And a Neon isn't so "limp wristed." No car's nowadays are muscle machines of old and within' reasonable price's, unless you're willing to put down 50$ large for one, even then those cars don't have the classic Bhp of old, so don't try to win your argument with that dude. 132 Bhp isn't to shabby for a piddly little "turd bucket.' Plus I'll be modding it a bit. Besides where am I gonna go over 110 km anyways? No where unless I want to break the law which I don't plan on doin' anyways.

Btw has anyone seen that Caddilac(sp?) Escalante, that's been souped up with 700 BHP? Man that has a 0-60 of 4 seconds and beat out a Ferrari Modena and a Porshe Carrera 911 Turbo lol! I think the torque was 750 lbs @ 4600 RPM to not sure about the latter though. The RPM was probably higher.

GUNNER
08-14-2003, 06:04 AM
So sorry, didn't know you were a muscle car fanatic.:rolleyes:

And you can find a real nice Camaro for a good price. What aboutv a 87-90 IROC. I had a 87 IROC. 305/ 5 speed. T-Top, power windows/locks/seats. 4 wheel disc. It was fast and would stop on a dime and could carve corners with the best. I paid 10K for it in 1990 but I'm sure a decent one today would only be 4-6K.

And one more tvhing, my Olds put out 500ft lbs at 3200rpm stock from the factory with a carb and points ignition. So 750 from a 50K SUV with another 10K into the engine isn't all that neat especially with todays technology.


Just facts.

XERXES
08-14-2003, 07:53 AM
Originally posted by GUNNER
So sorry, didn't know you were a muscle car fanatic.:rolleyes:

And you can find a real nice Camaro for a good price. What aboutv a 87-90 IROC. I had a 87 IROC. 305/ 5 speed. T-Top, power windows/locks/seats. 4 wheel disc. It was fast and would stop on a dime and could carve corners with the best. I paid 10K for it in 1990 but I'm sure a decent one today would only be 4-6K.

And one more tvhing, my Olds put out 500ft lbs at 3200rpm stock from the factory with a carb and points ignition. So 750 from a 50K SUV with another 10K into the engine isn't all that neat especially with todays technology.


Just facts. yes but most oldsmobiles are heavier cars...as are those monstorous SUVs out there today, they couldnt function without those beefy engines.


I dont have a problem with import cars (ones from Japan specifically) they are great cars and almost never need maintenance. But when kids these days think entry level jap car and fast go together it makes me chuckle.

GUNNER
08-14-2003, 09:00 AM
You bet they are big cars. So to get one of them no haul ass is no easy feat plus it will sit 6 adults easy.;)

Elegy
08-15-2003, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by Hyperglide
And a Neon isn't so "limp wristed." No car's nowadays are muscle machines of old and within' reasonable price's, unless you're willing to put down 50$ large for one, even then those cars don't have the classic Bhp of old, so don't try to win your argument with that dude. 132 Bhp isn't to shabby for a piddly little "turd bucket.' Plus I'll be modding it a bit. Besides where am I gonna go over 110 km anyways? No where unless I want to break the law which I don't plan on doin' anyways.
I don't know, when me and my aunt went to Ozzfest in Sacramento we ended up renting a Neon. We didn't want to take either of the Mustangs. She didn't want to drive her '99 Cobra the whole entire way from southern cali, to the halfway point at my house in Fresno, and then another 2 or 3 hour drive to Sac. So at first the plan was to park her car at my house, and we'd just take my '85 GT the rest of the way. But I've got no air conditioning (hey, I only paid $1,400 for this thing so it needs a bit of work). So we just rented a car, and it turned out to be a Neon. It was hilarious every time we stepped on it on the freeway to pass someone up or get up to speed as we pulled onto the onramp. You couldn't feel any torque at all, and the engine sounded like a little lawnmower or a small fan being pushed to it's limits. We were cracking up the whole entire drive.

132bhp isn't as much as you're making it out to be. Think of it this way. My 1985 5.0 Mustang has 210bhp. And this is a car from 1985, that's almost 20 years ago. The car is two years younger than I am. But it's pushing more than 132. 210bhp isn't even really much to brag about, I'd probably make high 15's to 16 second runs at the track. Compare that to some of the newer cars that make horsepower in the 300's range and are making 13's and 14's at the track.

But heck, I think we ought to lay off the guy. From the sounds of it, he's not looking for a fast car. He said as much, he doesn't plan on breaking the law and going any faster than he has to. In essence, you're right. If you're looking for just a daily driver, and you're not looking for a fast car and you have no plans on taking the thing to the track, it would be stupid to get a car with balls when you wouldn't even be really using those balls. It sounds like you're looking for something cheap and reliable that'll get you around, and for that the Neon is an excellent choice. But dude, if you have any plans at all to take the thing to the track, there's cars out there with much more balls that you could probably find for under $10k.

Anyone who's looking for a cheap track car, I'd suggest a 5.0 Mustang from 1979 - 1993. Actually scratch that, 1985 - 1993. 1985 was the year the 5.0 mustang went up to 210hp. And later years are 225hp because of the true dual exhaust (mine looks like it but it's just a y-pipe). But the benefit of the 5.0 Mustang is that you can find these things for up to $6,000, and even that's on the expensive side. I wouldn't pay any more than $3,000 - $4,000 for one in good shape. And they're a car with one of the biggest ranges of domestic parts available which means they're cheap and easy to build up. I won't be dumping near as much money into my 5.0 as some people will with other cars to get them to push some good times at the track.

Hyperglide
08-15-2003, 07:16 PM
Elegy you realize your comparing a compact car from the year 2000 (how many muscle car's are there today for under 40$$, my point exactly) to a car that sure is almost 20 years old, but is still a sports car, which was made for power, not economy. Dude compare it to a freaking Hyundai Pony or a VW Rabbit and then we'll talk (and we both know THOSE limp wristed car's probably can't even push 100 bhp).

Man I can put 1000$ Canadian into my new neon and get 30 more HP that can blow away any ricer or Chevy/Pontiac compact, (Civic's, Acura's, Cavaliers, and Sunfires THE SAME CLASS MIND YOU), riding in my city. Neon's are so underrated when it comes to racing. The new SRT-4 can beat a freaking 300ZX (Same year and everything) for pete sakes. And that's stock.

Besides any 20 year Mustang would be sweet I LOVED those cars but it might last me a year at best. At least the Neon will last me for 3-5 years, but still thanks for all your tips Elegy.

If i'm ever looking for a muscle car i'll come to you first ok?

Elegy
08-15-2003, 07:58 PM
Well, as I said earlier, it sounds like from the description of what you're looking in a car that the Neon will fit much more than a sportscar.

But under 40$$? I take it that's your limit, but did you mean $40k? I'm not sure what the canadian dollar is compared to the us dollar but if it's about the same then I can get a 2003 Mustang Cobra for around $35k. $30k for a 2003 edition Mach 1. Ahhh....those things are sweet.

But your point still stands, the retail value over here for a Neon SRT is $20k. Only a little over half the price of a Mustang. And this is for a 2003. Your 2000 would be even cheaper.