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NiKo
09-05-2003, 11:31 AM
great, just great

go ahead and close this one too

i would have posted this opinion in croockedlines thread but, oh my, it's closed. what a shame, now i'm gonna have to start this completely uselsess topic just to say my silly lil' remark

bgbennyboy
09-05-2003, 12:02 PM
Complain away. But its true, leaving/returning threads really are a waste of space.

NiKo
09-05-2003, 12:25 PM
and what space is that? the forum is dead, there are no new topics or anything. i would have agreed with you if this forum was running like it used to. but nowdays, the first page of the forum still has topics from a month ago.

so yes, closing these kind of topics IS necessary in a running forum
but ours is pretty dead anyway. so no need to close anything really unless its offensive or something of that kind.

bgbennyboy
09-05-2003, 12:45 PM
"Waste of space" is just an expression meaning no good.
Threads like that are part of the reason why the Harbour is quiet, it drives new posters away. During the crackdown there were a good few decent posts/threads and the other forums got more posts too. The less threads like that there are, the more chance there is of attracting new posters.

Ray Jones
09-05-2003, 03:25 PM
Threads like that are part of the reason why the Harbour is quiet, it drives new posters away.


nope.. it depends on the thread.. but it drives noone away.. believe me. the closure of this thread drives others away.. ( .. :rolleyes: )


During the crackdown there were a good few decent posts/threads and the other forums got more posts too. The less threads like that there are, the more chance there is of attracting new posters.


nope again..

NOW are even more people gone ..
:xp:

again.. it's the harbor.. NOT the general discussion. :dozey:

MrManager
09-05-2003, 03:42 PM
Actually, I can list dozens of people who don't post here anymore thanks to the Harbor.

Ray Jones
09-05-2003, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by RemiO
Actually, I can list dozens of people who don't post here anymore thanks to the Harbor.

what do you mean..? thanks to the harbor after the "big closure" or before???

Das Mole
09-05-2003, 09:19 PM
okay, then, who left thanks to the harbor?

i don't really think that welcome back threads are making people leave the harbor, it's just welcoming somebody back onto the forum. are you saying that niko and frenchyd's welcome back threads for themselves were making people leave the harbor?

like ray said, you closing the threads is making people leave. in fact, i wouldn't be surprised if it was discouraging newbies from coming into the harbor and introducing themselves, because they probably think that they're going to have their threads closed all the time.

i don't think that a forum of "spammy" nature really turns people away from it...aresen is a huge spam factory and a lot of people go there, including myself. i think that you're actually being waaaay too strict and half the stuff that you're closing is completely unnecessary to close. unless it has something inappropriate or offensive in it, then it doesn't need to be closed and it's as simple as that. an "i'm back" thread? :rolleyes:

well, that's all i have to say, this is one thread that i'll check up on for sure.

MrManager
09-05-2003, 09:51 PM
Originally posted by RayJones
what do you mean..? thanks to the harbor after the "big closure" or before???

Before. People like DJG said it was worth reading again after we "cracked down" on it, but seeing how the Harbor pretty much reverted back to it old self again, I doubt the long term effect pulled anybody back.

i don't think that a forum of "spammy" nature really turns people away from it...

It does.

bgbennyboy
09-05-2003, 10:01 PM
People dont post on or visit these forums entirely because of the harbour. Its not a case of people leaving, its of people not joining. Milegend would have merged its forums with these were it not for the harbour. People who posted pre-merge wont anymore and people who might have posted here wont because this is seen as a somewhat lame forum.

These forums are not like arsen and never will be. This is a MI forum with an off-topic forum as a bonus, not the other way round. No-one has closed a thread for a good while and its about time really, we were getting lazy.

Leaving and returning threads are completely unnecessary, they are the ultimate pointless thread.
"I'm leaving!" - "bye", "I'm back!" -"Wb".

Das Mole
09-05-2003, 10:05 PM
It does.

umm...okay...and how can you be so sure? did you poll everybody at lucasforums and ask whether forums of spammy nature turn them away from it? i serously doubt it. and i know that i said forums of a spammy nature don't turn people away from it, but the difference is that i said:

i don't think that a forum of "spammy" nature really turns people away from it...

notice how i said the word "think", while you said "does". so you can't tell me "how can you be sure, either?", i want an actual answer, not some cocky, b.s. answer that is always given when it comes to these kinds of topics like "because if you look closely, less people come :¬:". that kind of answer is total crap because you're not keeping track on a piece of paper how many people are coming, nor do you have some kind of meter that counts the amount of people entering the harbor per day. if you really did poll people and have some kind of device that counts users going into the harbor on a daily basis, then i'm badly mistaken, but i'm pretty sure i'm not.

and bgbennyboy- leaving threads and returning threads aren't the ultimate useless threads or whatever. you wouldn't just expect people to know that you're gone for a month when you're just gone one day. and i know that you can post it in one thread that you're going to leave, but not everybody reads every single thread. you want to make it known to everybody and then it'll be like an actual good-bye because people actually bid you farewell, not just "okay i'm leaving bye." in one post and then people say goodbye and it's next to pointless and then that counts as spam and all this other crap. i don't see why they're pointless, and maybe you don't understand the meaning of pointless. let me dissect this for you, here:

point- meaning there is a reason for something
-less- lacking something

therefore, pointless means that it is literally pointless, it has no reason. an example would be "duck." as a post, that's pointless. not "hey, i'm back. i was gone for a while because i was on vacation and didn't have access to a computer. so, what's been going on?", okay?

you know what? this is it. i'm leaving the harbor for good. you've got me so pissed off that it's not even funny. i'll come back to look at things, but i will not post and until you get your s*** together and realize how arrogant you guys are being, i'm not coming back.


bye.

MrManager
09-05-2003, 10:14 PM
Das Mole, stop behaving like a ten year old brat. The Monkey Island forums have been around since '96 or '97, and you've been around for what? A year? You don't think I know who used to post on these boards years before there was any LucasForums? Don't you think I know why they don't post here anymore? You are badly mistaken in your assumptions, which are just that - assumptions.

this is it. i'm leaving the harbor for good.

Smartest thing you've done since you got here.

Ray Jones
09-05-2003, 10:17 PM
Originally posted by bgbennyboy
People dont post on or visit these forums entirely because of the harbour. Its not a case of people leaving, its of people not joining.


wrong benny wrong..

i came here BECAUSE of the harbor.. and many other people did..

Gabez
09-05-2003, 10:34 PM
But really people, but this is a forum for Monkey Island, not Super Star Wars Racing 3. :¬: Most of the community is mature and non-lame, coinciding with how fans of a well written series of games swaying more on the intellectual side should be like.

Personally, I'm getting a little tired from hearing about these petty little arguments against the mods. If someone has closed your thread and you don't think it was justified, then just think about why they might have closed it and try to stop it happening again in the future.

Ray Jones
09-05-2003, 10:40 PM
but gabez.. we all DID discuss monkey island on the discussion forum .. and after a hard discussing day..
it WAS nice to:


Set down the anchor, pull up a bar stool, relax and discuss just about anything with fellow MI gamers.

:dozey:

Kjølen
09-06-2003, 03:11 AM
Oh goodie, another arguement. It's strange but The Harbor seems like the only forum with civil wars.

Personally, the idea of a poll sounds decent. I also think that hello and goodbye threads are useful. If people just up and left, well it would be confusing. Idle chat is what the Harbor is for. If I walked up to you and said I was leavng, would you stop listening to me and close the subject in you mind? I think you would say goodbye. Yes, It's a lot more normal to saw "ciao" over ignoring.

I support mods do what they think is right, I'm not fighting them. But moderator need to find the inner-members inside of them. They should think whether or not it might become popular. Like, a child buys a new toy, it's a bit like his other toys. But If the child uses it and enjoys it, no need to take it away. Plus, If you stop the child from using the toy, and the toy isnt being used, it's a waste of space.

Translation = closed threads are a waste of space if they could be used right.

undesired
09-06-2003, 06:15 AM
bgbennyboy didn't provide a reasonable response until his third post in this thread. That makes his first two posts classic examples of
Superfluous, Pointless, Asinine Messages.

RemiO hasn't said anything resonable yet. All I see from him is a lot of assumption without providing evidence. I guess he doesn't know about critical thinking yet. His offerings are quite obviously SPAM. He wouldn't last in a real forum.

When the moderators SPAM their own forums, how can they expect anything more of their members? You have only yourselves to blame, bois. Garbage In: Garbage Out.

Zoom Rabbit
09-06-2003, 08:42 AM
For the record, I only ever visited MI because of the Harbor. And I left because of the crackdown. *(Shrugs.)*

RoyTordesLegend
09-06-2003, 10:07 AM
Why does the moderation team always seem to get drawn into petty arguments and slanging matches? haway guys, there's no need to insult people, no matter how justified you feel. You're there to set us deviants a good example remember. :)

Instead of just 'cracking down' on posts, why don't we have an open discussion about how to improve 'The Harbor' and it's structure and content. I'm 100% sure we can improve things in this way.....

....in fact I'm going to start a post off right now......

C Shutt
09-06-2003, 11:03 AM
Originally posted by Zoom Rabbit
For the record, I only ever visited MI because of the Harbor. And I left because of the crackdown. *(Shrugs.)*

Proof that the crackdown is working.

NiKo
09-06-2003, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by RemiO
The Monkey Island forums have been around since '96 or '97, and you've been around for what? A year? You don't think I know who used to post on these boards years before there was any LucasForums? Don't you think I know why they don't post here anymore?


yeah? well what about me then? I was here from the very begining, before lucasforums. heck, i was even a moderator on these forums. dont you think I know who used to post on these boards years before there was any LucasForums? dont you think I know why they dont post here anymore?

Lets see you handle your own crap.

Originally posted by RemiO
Smartest thing you've done since you got here.

Oh, how mature.
no wonder you'r a supermoderator with that witty yet mature mind of yours.
*clap* *clap*

edlib
09-06-2003, 01:50 PM
I told myself I wasn't going to get involved this time, but...
Originally posted by Gabez
But really people, but this is a forum for Monkey Island, not Super Star Wars Racing 3. :¬: Most of the community is mature and non-lame, coinciding with how fans of a well written series of games swaying more on the intellectual side should be like.

All right... First: Are you saying that people who haven't played this particular game shouldn't be visiting the forum? I can see where this might be a problem if people were popping up at random in threads in a forum specifically devoted to game discussion or technical problem resolving, but I always thought that the "Everything and Anything/ Off-Topic" forums here were set aside for discussion about anything BUT the game in question. I have always noticed that if someone tries to start a game-oriented thread in an "Anything..." area, it usually gets moved to the appropriate game-centric forum.
So, as I have always believed that since you're not supposed to talk about the game itself there, I have always seen the "Off-Topic" forums as open to all comers, even those not familiar with the game the area is devoted to, and are a good way to get aquanted with other gamers with different intrests than you that maybe you might not encounter too often otherwise.

Second: Wasn't the point of "Networking" all the various LucasGames Forums to encourage interaction between members of the various nodes? At least that was the explination I heard at the time.
And it has worked for me: I have checked out and enjoyed a bunch of Lucasarts games that I may not have otherwise (Grim Fandango, Sam and Max, Jedi Knight II...) based on the rabid devotion and word-of-mouth I saw around those games. I happen to like Star Wars based action games, but I am open to expanding my admittedly somewhat narrow field-of-view and branching out to other great games.

Third: It seems silly to me to create segregation over not only what type of video-games you like to play... but over what type of video-games you like to play that are published by the same company! After all, we all still look like equal nerds and geeks to someone on the outside...

They are all still just vid games. I don't believe for a second that preferring one over the other automatically makes you a better person.

Zoom Rabbit
09-06-2003, 11:49 PM
Originally posted by Carl Shutt
Proof that the crackdown is working.

*(Kicks Carl.)* I'm here, aren't I...? :D

Hear, hear, Edlib. To support your argument, I'll go briefly into my own reasons for not frequenting the Harbor. Frankly, I was perceiving a strong bias against us 'Star Wars' forum crowd. Reading what Gabez has written here, I can safely say that this bias is still in place, and even fluttering proudly on the flagpole.

Why?

When I see the Mixnmojo forums in my 'forum jump' menu, I consider it an invitation to jump on in and participate. Because I haven't played in particular Monkey Island or Sam and Max, I do courteously restrain my interaction to the off-topic forums. Yet in the Harbor I am unwelcome for not staying to the game topic at hand?!? :dozey: The logic of this argument escapes me.

So the big problem I'm hearing is: the old members are leaving because of the Harbor, and the Star Wars crowd drifting in doesn't help. Allow me to propose another theory: your forums are growing old, just like the Rogue Squadron (Aresen) and X-Wing Alliance forums. We too see traffic drifting away as new games come out, and long-term members (frankly) get bored and sail off for a new interest in life other than posting on an electronic bulletin board in cyberspace. This, as I understand it anyway, is one reason why the LFN forums have all been consolidated into one website in the first place. Not surprisingly, if you look at the postings count on the forums page, most activity is taking place in the off-topic forums (where an odd sense of online community has evolved) rather than those specific to games.

Most of these games have been talked to death (unless they're revived by the release of sequels.) Here in the off-topic forums, we talk about all sorts of other things...even, on occasion, the all-too-frequently seen *I'm back* or *i"m leaving* thread. I think they're silly, too, guys...but it's a part of the online sense of community that some of us obviously enjoy. Moderators in the other forums allow these threads to stay open, because they don't want to kill that sense of community.

But this is your forum, your rules. ;) I'm just here to offer feedback, and a suggestion: you could be nicer.

Mort-Hog
09-07-2003, 05:17 PM
This is why Jesus invented shooting people in the face with shotguns.

Zoom Rabbit
09-07-2003, 10:47 PM
Yeah, like that. :D

See, 'being nice' isn't so hard...

Ray Jones
09-08-2003, 09:15 AM
..

being hard can be nice too.. ;)

RoyTordesLegend
09-08-2003, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by RayJones
..

being hard can be nice too.. ;)

......here's where Ray reverts to his German porn star mode.....

scabb
09-08-2003, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by undesired
bgbennyboy didn't provide a reasonable response until his third post in this thread. That makes his first two posts classic examples of
Superfluous, Pointless, Asinine Messages.
Dude! Did you come up with that all by yourself!? Because let me tell you, that is clever. To take a pre-existing term, and make it into an acronym! It must take an exceptional mind to create such a biting putdown. I'm off to go do some critical thinking, in the hopes that one day my mind will be vastly superior to everyone elses too!

unrelenting
09-08-2003, 08:42 PM
Originally posted by scabb
I'm off to go do some critical thinking, in the hopes that one day my mind will be vastly superior to everyone elses too!
Perhaps you should, since you quite spectacularly failed to address the issue of spamming moderators. I noticed that rather than address the issue themselves, they simply banned me. Well, my IP is always changing, so you won't get far with this tactic.

Take a look at this
Oh, how mature.
no wonder you'r a supermoderator with that witty yet mature mind of yours.
*clap* *clap*

The proportions of this criticism are correct. the moderators are childish and cowardly. They deserve criticism.

scabb
09-08-2003, 09:04 PM
Originally posted by unrelenting
the moderators are childish and cowardly. They deserve criticism.

Of course, the moderators on other Monkey Island forums are neither childish nor cowardly. For instance, I'm sure that raVeN_iMaG3 - a delightful character from the WorldofMI boards - would never evade a ban on another forum, sign up under an alias or two, and proceed to post incredibly pointless criticisms.

I'm glad that you went to the effort of registering another username for me, though - and don't worry about that variable IP of yours, the administrators can ban host masks ;-

bgbennyboy
09-08-2003, 09:08 PM
I actually banned you for what you said to Bill Tiller. I'm banning you for ban-evasion now though. Its pathetic Raven, if you are going to flame, at least have the courage to do it under your own name.

Natty
09-09-2003, 12:06 AM
There's no monkey island game out at the moment, so there's nothing to talk about. Most people have played the game, but a lot of us were/are really good friends and use the harbor of a way of keeping in touch with those people who had made friends.

What would you rather people talk about? the weather? Come on this is off topic, as it has been said before off-topic is off-topic.

RoyTordesLegend
09-09-2003, 08:42 AM
Originally posted by bgbennyboy
I actually banned you for what you said to Bill Tiller. I'm banning you for ban-evasion now though. Its pathetic Raven, if you are going to flame, at least have the courage to do it under your own name.

Man....I have no problem with you personally - but it's this sort of thing that loses you respect......yeah this guy might be pathetic for not having the balls to post under his real ID, but why be dragged down to the level of calling him 'pathetic' where everyone can see it?? Simply banning him, editing the post and ignoring it, would cause far less damage and would avoid adding fuel to the fire......

Bottom line is that the MI Mods are losing respect.....

....what are you going to do to win back the respect?? Don't tell me "I don't need the respect" or "I've done nothing wrong", 'cause that's just a cop out......you guys want to get people back on side.......

C Shutt
09-09-2003, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by RoyTordesLegend
Man....I have no problem with you personally - but it's this sort of thing that loses you respect......yeah this guy might be pathetic for not having the balls to post under his real ID, but why be dragged down to the level of calling him 'pathetic' where everyone can see it??

Because it's the truth. Raven is a known troll, who is resorting to ban evasion in order to indulge some juvenile vendetta. Why you are so bothered by seeing this moron called out on his bull**** is beyond me.

RoyTordesLegend
09-09-2003, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by Carl Shutt
Because it's the truth. Raven is a known troll, who is resorting to ban evasion in order to indulge some juvenile vendetta. Why you are so bothered by seeing this moron called out on his bull**** is beyond me.

I thought that was obvious!!? Am I missing something?!?

Why encourage bad behaviour by getting in involved in public slanging matches?

C Shutt
09-09-2003, 01:27 PM
He's a troll. He doesn't need encouragement to act like a dip****.

Gabez
09-09-2003, 03:10 PM
RayJones, dude, I'm not saying you have to discuss Monkey Island here - quite the opposite in fact.

Edlib and ZoomRabbit - you're complete and utter hippo burgers. I'm not being biased; I'm not segregating people according to game, "Hitler" style. All I was saying was that for a witty series of puzzle games we've got a surprising amount of idiots here.


Also, guess what? I DON'T CARE ANYMORE. I've lost my bottle. You can quote me on this and campaign for fairer rights for posters but at the end of the day this is just a Monkey Island discussion board, and we are the mods, and you've got to live with this or go away. Really. I don't give a **** anymore. I don't. I'm exhausted from reading your whiney posts.

I hate you all.

RoyTordesLegend
09-09-2003, 03:49 PM
...sigh I give up!!

Whats with these moderator outbursts?! Dude don't take things so personally. Be a pro!!

NiKo
09-09-2003, 03:54 PM
i think the main problem is that us old escapemi.com forumers, who were here long before this was part of lucasforums, and we were all friends having fun, and now come all these mods we never even got to know as humans, and they seem so powerhungry and always looking for perfection. well we just dont feel very welcomed here knowing that every post that wont inerest the supermods, will get deleted or closed.

the members here arent such idiots as you claim them to be.
i participate in a korn forum at www.korntv.com...now THERE you have your load of idiots. from playing games like "190000 bottles of beer on the wall" to posting stuff such as "YEA KORN RULLS!!!"
now THERE'S a place filled with idiots.

now, i resent the fact that you call us members idiots.
you forget that some people here are just kids. 12- 13 year old kids. some people are from other countries.
and some people just arent as uptight as you.
lighten up. you're running a forum, not a buisness, not a country..just a forum

Gabez
09-09-2003, 03:55 PM
You people drove me to that. ;

C Shutt
09-09-2003, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by NiKo
i think the main problem is that us old escapemi.com forumers, who were here long before this was part of lucasforums, and we were all friends having fun, and now come all these mods we never even got to know as humans, and they seem so powerhungry and always looking for perfection. well we just dont feel very welcomed here knowing that every post that wont inerest the supermods, will get deleted or closed.

No, the problem is that you people are unable to accept that these aren't the Escapemi.com forums. These forums were meant to function as the forums for three different MI sites. Of course, you wouldn't think so to look at them, because the sheer inanity of the Harbour has driven most posters from the other sites away. That is the problem.

RoyTordesLegend
09-09-2003, 04:09 PM
Why though? Nobody hurt you or your family physically did they?

The people didn't drive anyone to do anything - it seems to me the moderators here are very highly strung and self opinionated, and simply don't like being told - however politely (or not) that they're not always doing a great job....

Dude, for gods sake chill out and put things into perspective.....

RoyTordesLegend
09-09-2003, 04:14 PM
I've never been to the Escapemi forums and I have a problem with the moderation here. It's inconsistent, very often unprofessional, and sometimes (although I admit rarely) even offensive....

Is a little professionalism and consistency too much to ask for, or do you people think that being a moderator should involve insulting people, emotional outbursts, reopening other moderaters closed threads, arguing amongst yourselves etc?

Philocleon
09-09-2003, 05:28 PM
Excuse me Carl, but couldn't you at least please respect the fact that The Harbor at escapemi.com was already an established community before the merge? *sigh* oh well.

Hey, I got an idea for all you old escapemiers. How about if we all break away from the lucasforums and go back to escapmi.com? How does that sound?

Oh, and in case any of you wonder if I know anything about escapmi.com, I've been lurking there ever since someone posted the link to Mek's moon thread on #Monkey-Island. But let's not bring back unpleasant memories.

Gabez
09-09-2003, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by RoyTordesLegend
Why though? Nobody hurt you or your family physically did they?

The people didn't drive anyone to do anything - it seems to me the moderators here are very highly strung and self opinionated, and simply don't like being told - however politely (or not) that they're not always doing a great job....

Dude, for gods sake chill out and put things into perspective.....
Dude, I wasn't bashing on you! Neither did I ever say that I regard what some fudge-head on these forums as being more serious as someone hurting me or my family physically. :~ I was just annoyed at the response to my post and, well, the whole darn situation. :¬:

Joshi
09-09-2003, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by Scabb
I'm sure that raVeN_iMaG3 - a delightful character from the WorldofMI boards-

I would just like to note that there is a specific reason why this certain member of the mi community does not post here as much anymore, and it is quite simply because of the spam. plain and simple and he has told me this personally that he doen't like IM's because they lead to shortened words and crappy stuff whuich is never thought out and too short to bother with. For this same reason, he also doesn't like these forum. and a lot of other people whom i personally would like on these boards stay away because of similar reasons.

RoyTordesLegend
09-09-2003, 07:58 PM
Okay dude, no worries.....

Since the Ray Jones saga, I've had an issue with being moderated by people (some not all) who clearly aren't as qualified as myself (and I don't consider myself to be qualified).

Anyway, peace bro.

Redwing
09-09-2003, 09:57 PM
Hm...the funny thing is, I mostly see

A) the escapemi'ers

B) the non-escapemi "rebels"

C) outraged XWA'ers

D) lots of happy fun witty and/or pissy supermods, mods, and Carl Shutt

A), B), and C) want D) to die painfully, and D) wants that at them right back.

Recipe for war? Yup.

Resolution in sight? Nope.

Y'see, I'd pipe up with my opinions too more, but somehow I just don't see how that's going to help. Unless I can find a way to puncture egos over the Internet...or in real life for that matter...*trails off in thought*

edlib
09-10-2003, 01:33 AM
Not outraged Red,... just an interested semi-outsider.

I still think 90% of the issues here could have been avoided if someone had just spoken up a couple of months ago with a thread along these lines:

"Listen up! This is going to be a bit of a shock to most of you, but if we all work together on this we can make this transition go smoothly. There are going to be some big changes around here starting now. We feel the Harbor has gotten off-track as of late, and we really wish to correct this for the good of everybody.
Here's what's going to happen, what we want to see and not want to see in the future, and here's why were doing all this now...

... Any question, comments or suggestion? Feel free to contact us. We are warning you now so you won't be surprised, but in the very near future we will be closing some threads, as well as talking to some users in private about posting habits and styles in order to try to get everyone on the same page with this. Please do not take it personal or be offended if we close a thread you started or contact you by PM. We just want to do what we feel is best for the future of forum.
Thank you all for your understanding and co-operation in advance. OK, As you were. - The MI Mod-Squad."

undeserved
09-10-2003, 03:03 AM
Originally posted by bgbennyboy
I actually banned you for what you said to Bill Tiller. I'm banning you for ban-evasion now though.
And you still avoid my original point. I suggest that you encourage the very behavior that you claim to dispize by childish actions.

In a debate forum, silence is the same as acceptence. Unless you can somehow tell us why you are not a spammer, "wasting space" as you call it with your posts, we'll just consider that you conceed this argument, mmmmmmkay?

Natty
09-10-2003, 03:16 AM
Replace the mods except for Neil. Make NiKo, Murta and gb122 mods.

Now we're all happy.

Oh and BTW, I know me and raVen didn't always get on, but I thought he was fabulous. Maybe it's because he has an opinion the mods don't like him. Figures. The mods hate anything they don't agree with. I wonder who the real childish people are? The forum members, or the mods who ban or close down anything that doesn't interest them/involve them directly or they find interesting.

Gabez
09-10-2003, 03:54 PM
Yes, we're all complete and utter Nazis.

Joshi
09-10-2003, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by Redwing
D) lots of happy fun witty and/or pissy supermods, mods, and Carl Shutt

I have never been happy, fun, witty or pissy. And Carl Shutt? I don't know what that is, but i'm sure I'm not one.

Seriously, I don't hate y'all, I'd just a feel a whole lot better if some of you were dead, that's all (it's a joke, deal with it)

Guybrush122
09-11-2003, 02:00 AM
I think Niko said it best.

A lot of us are escapemi-ers and, frankly, we know how great the old times were. There wasn't just strict "close this topic" and "move this topic" rules back then. Then we knew the mods and supermods, and we all were friends. The harbor was founded for non-Monkey Island things, even if that includes bitching about Tekken 4 or posting something about MI5 despite the fact that theres already a subcategory for it (oh wow, what a concept...posting where people actually VISIT)

Niko's right, this is a damn forum. Not some remote country. We don't need this kind of government in a place that promotes off-topic talk! I mean, come on...let's face it, THE HARBOR IS DYING!!!! Why? Because we can't post anything we want in it anymore for fear of getting our topics closed!! When the harbor was alive there WAS spam. TONS OF SPAM!! Tons upon tons upon TONS of topics that you mods and supermods think are spam and you know what? We liked it. Hell, we LOVED it. That's what the Harbor is about. If you let spam stay spam, and let off-topics stay here, then we'll have posts upon posts in no time. And wanna know what else? We'll like it. Hell, yeah, we'll LIKE it.


This is a message board, it shouldn't feel like Nazi Germany.

C Shutt
09-11-2003, 05:32 AM
Originally posted by Guybrush122
I think Niko said it best.

A lot of us are escapemi-ers and, frankly, we know how great the old times were. There wasn't just strict "close this topic" and "move this topic" rules back then. Then we knew the mods and supermods, and we all were friends. The harbor was founded for non-Monkey Island things, even if that includes bitching about Tekken 4 or posting something about MI5 despite the fact that theres already a subcategory for it (oh wow, what a concept...posting where people actually VISIT)

Niko's right, this is a damn forum. Not some remote country. We don't need this kind of government in a place that promotes off-topic talk! I mean, come on...let's face it, THE HARBOR IS DYING!!!! Why? Because we can't post anything we want in it anymore for fear of getting our topics closed!! When the harbor was alive there WAS spam. TONS OF SPAM!! Tons upon tons upon TONS of topics that you mods and supermods think are spam and you know what? We liked it. Hell, we LOVED it. That's what the Harbor is about. If you let spam stay spam, and let off-topics stay here, then we'll have posts upon posts in no time. And wanna know what else? We'll like it. Hell, yeah, we'll LIKE it.

Which is all well and good for the escapemi regulars, but it makes these forums completely uninviting for everyone else. These aren't the escapemi.com boards, and the mods are under no obligation to pretend like they are.

Natty
09-11-2003, 06:03 AM
Originally posted by Carl Shutt
Which is all well and good for the escapemi regulars, but it makes these forums completely uninviting for everyone else. These aren't the escapemi.com boards, and the mods are under no obligation to pretend like they are.

No, the escapemi.com people have always welcomed new people, take a look around, there's been plenty of newbies who have came along since the merge which everyone has welcomed with open arms. It's trolls like you who never have anything nice to say about other people and mods who close down basically everything that make the harbor an uninviting place for everyone else.

Redwing
09-11-2003, 07:36 AM
Originally posted by Neil Joshi
I have never been happy, fun, witty or pissy. And Carl Shutt? I don't know what that is, but i'm sure I'm not one.

Seriously, I don't hate y'all, I'd just a feel a whole lot better if some of you were dead, that's all (it's a joke, deal with it)

Well lordy, you know generalizations never really work out...even if they're as good as mine ;)

You only think you aren't a Carl Shutt. But eventually, you will need to face the truth, and embrace the Carl Shutt within...

C Shutt
09-11-2003, 07:51 AM
Natty, you are a complete spanktard. I never suggested the escapemi.com regulars were acting in a hostile or unwelcoming manner towards new posters. But when faced with the overwhelming amount of spam and whiny, teen-angst bull**** that makes up the Harbour, any intelligent person is going to run a mile. The very existence of the Harbour is driving people away from the MI forums, it is as simple as that.

RoyTordesLegend
09-11-2003, 08:15 AM
Hang on...I must be missing something.....

....I didn't hear her say you were suggesting the escapemi.com regulars were acting in a hostile or unwelcoming manner...

.....I though she just said the escapemi forums were welcoming and that she thinks you are a Troll....:confused:

Zoom Rabbit
09-11-2003, 08:17 AM
Originally posted by Carl Shutt
Natty, you are a complete spanktard. I never suggested the escapemi.com regulars were acting in a hostile or unwelcoming manner towards new posters. But when faced with the overwhelming amount of spam and whiny, teen-angst bull**** that makes up the Harbour, any intelligent person is going to run a mile. The very existence of the Harbour is driving people away from the MI forums, it is as simple as that.

I've seen this argument over and over again, and it still doesn't make sense to me: the Harbor drives people away from the MI forums.

When you guys visit a new website and look up the forums, do you actually make some kind of judgement call as to whether or not the topics posted are good enough for you? :dozey: If you see that the off-topic forum has 'welcome back' and 'I'm leaving' threads, do you actually say to yourself, 'Well, this place is beneath me--I'm off to Snob.com?'

Well, that seems like sound (http://misslink.org/graphics/smokingpot2.gif) reasoning to me.

I do know this much. When I check out a new forum, and I see a bunch of threads closed--that chases me off. (Sometimes.) :D Closed threads send a warning bell to any forum-lounger that the forum has problems...

RoyTordesLegend
09-11-2003, 08:18 AM
....what's a spanktard by the way?

Darth Groovy
09-11-2003, 08:29 AM
While you boys and girls are busy pissing in each other's Cheerios, can somebody please tell me how a thread like this (http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=1301164#post1301164) is supposed to help anyone? What does this topic benefit other than the 3 of 4 members posting in it? To anyone on the outside, there is nothing for them to participate in. The purpose of an online forum is to post a topic that others can participate in. I realize that not all boards function the same way. Hell, I would love it if you all came over to my forums, I allow swearing, spamming, pretty much anything, but that is there, not here. They have chat rooms and IRC channels for this sorta thing, come on...it's just common sense. An online discussion and an AOL chat room should not be the same thing---ever! Besides, the thread is still open isn't it?

And for the record, I started coming here, because I see alot of really cool people posting here, and it's a wonderful escape from the terrors of jk.net. We recently consolidated all the forums in the Dark Forces/Jedi Knight series, and nothing has really changed other than color patterns. And since you all hate Star Wars so much I'll quote Grand Moff Tarkin; "This bickering is pointless." This stuff happens on every single message board I ever posted on. Somebody get's his/her thread closed, post edited, post count nuked....whatever. And no matter what the cercumstances were, the mods are always the Nazi meanies, and the spammers are the freedom fighters defending the rights of spammers posters. Why should this forum be any different than anyone else? Why is that Harbour members are the only ones that think they are treated unfairly? What? The Harbour and Monkey Island forums are the only boards that ever merged? I just don't get it.

Maybe if they did their job from the start then none of this would have happened... Please define what YOU think their job should be, I would LOVE to know...

As a side note, I think all your arguments would hold up better if you would stop saying things like "The XWAer's this", the "Aresener's that", this discussion reads like a bloody social studies project. Calling each other names, such as trolls, Nazis, spanktard....whatever. Please be civil eh? If you are all as mature as you say you are, why do you fail to demonstrate it?

C Shutt
09-11-2003, 08:29 AM
Originally posted by Zoom Rabbit
I've seen this argument over and over again, and it still doesn't make sense to me: the Harbor drives people away from the MI forums.

When you guys visit a new website and look up the forums, do you actually make some kind of judgement call as to whether or not the topics posted are good enough for you? :dozey: If you see that the off-topic forum has 'welcome back' and 'I'm leaving' threads, do you actually say to yourself, 'Well, this place is beneath me--I'm off to Snob.com?'

If I visit a new forum for the first time, and find it to be filled with nothing but vacuous crap, then yes, I'll go find another forum. What part of this are you having trouble understanding?

RoyTordesLegend
09-11-2003, 08:33 AM
Yeah....I'm mystifed too as to how the forum itself can drive people away? Is it possessed or something? The fact is that poor moderation is what makes the forum so bad, not the moderation itself. The moderators have the power to shape the content without offending people.

RoyTordesLegend
09-11-2003, 08:36 AM
Common sense as usual Darth....I'm in full admiration of your peerless people skills!!!:)

RoyTordesLegend
09-11-2003, 08:38 AM
Dude, could you give me a couple of eamples of crap posts, and a couple of examples of posts that you would find interesting....for the record....

C Shutt
09-11-2003, 09:27 AM
Was it really necessary to post three consecutive messages within the space of five minutes? The "edit post" button is there for a reason.

Joshi
09-11-2003, 09:28 AM
Okay, this is the kind of crap I'm talkin about. Roy tords, why the hell do you have to post 3 seperate posts in the same damn thread one after another. If you didn'tthink of something before and no ones posted after you yet, the edit button can be your best friend. is a post count that important to you?

Redwing
09-11-2003, 09:28 AM
Originally posted by Darth Groovy

As a side note, I think all your arguments would hold up better if you would stop saying things like "The XWAer's this", the "Aresener's that", this discussion reads like a bloody social studies project. Calling each other names, such as trolls, Nazis, spanktard....whatever. Please be civil eh? If you are all as mature as you say you are, why do you fail to demonstrate it?

Oh, c'mon. This whole thing IS a damn social studies project. I mean seriously, step back and look at it for a moment. This all came of merging a bunch of different communities into one, all of which hate each other's posting style, with a bit of outsiders coming in to shoot their own mouths off. Just replace "communities" with "countries" or "tribes", and "posting style" with "religion" or "culture" and bingo! Social Studies project in the bag.

RoyTordesLegend
09-11-2003, 10:39 AM
Neil - if you hurry up and release your fantastic new guidlelines/findings whatever you want to call them, then we'll all know what we should be striving for.

I've never had a problem posting like this in any other forum anywhere, but if it's a problem here so be it....I'll remember to edit more carefully.

Carl Shutt, my deep thinking fellow poster - would you be kind enough to do me the great honour of letting me have a couple of examples of what kind of posting you would say falls into the "vacuous crap" category, and the "acceptable post" category....I'd appreciate the views on this matter from such a well respected member of the forums.....

Darth Groovy
09-11-2003, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by RoyTordesLegend
Neil - if you hurry up and release your fantastic new guidlelines/findings whatever you want to call them, then we'll all know what we should be striving for.

I've never had a problem posting like this in any other forum anywhere, but if it's a problem here so be it....I'll remember to edit more carefully.

Carl Shutt, my deep thinking fellow poster - would you be kind enough to do me the great honour of letting me have a couple of examples of what kind of posting you would say falls into the "vacuous crap" category, and the "acceptable post" category....I'd appreciate the views on this matter from such a well respected member of the forums.....

Do you think hounding Neil Joshi is going to get you results overnite? He said he was working on it, give the guy a break eh? Look at it from Neil's prospective, he has the people he watches over and cares for in one corner, and the admins and supermods he has to answer to in the other corner. Trying to keep everyone happy in a position like that is an exercise in futility. Just be glad her cares so much. I clearly remember suggesting a stuck list of guidelines a while back and I was shot down in flames for it. Now you want one...ok!
Also, what do you want Carl to do? Draw you pictures? It's not rocket science, it's a online discussion group. I would venture to say that if you Google search forums and visit some other boards, you'll pick up on it in no time. Better yet, just take a visit at some of the other boards on LFN other than just Monkey Island, and that should suffice.

RoyTordesLegend
09-11-2003, 11:25 AM
Groovy - no intention to hound Neil - just a bit of friendly prodding....perhaps I should have remembered to include some:-

:) ;) :p 's

As for drawing pictures - I KNOW what good interesting posting is.....

....I'd just like to know Carls definition, because and no offence to Carl, but I find that some of his threads are the ones I would tend to avoid.

Ray Jones
09-11-2003, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by Neil Joshi
Okay, this is the kind of crap I'm talkin about. Roy tords, why the hell do you have to post 3 seperate posts in the same damn thread one after another. If you didn'tthink of something before and no ones posted after you yet, the edit button can be your best friend. is a post count that important to you?

err.. as you may have noticed.. roy is NOT a post count poster .. he's "still" under 300 which is farfarfar away from my pc .. :rolleyes:

groovy:

Originally posted by Neil Joshi

No seriously, i've talked it over with the other mods, and we've gcome to a desicion.

all that roy did is he asked for THIS decision they've come to.. he didnt asked for particular details just for the the main thought they got during their speak over ..

CARL: *shakes head* you still never answer to the raised questions .. :rolleyes: .. would you be so kind and stay ONTOPIC instead of just barking njiengnjiengnjieng's in??? (just like i just did, btw .. ;) ) which is by the way the way some mods in here still do?

Neil: tell us about the main character of your (the MI-Mods team) descision .. and then later tell us the details.. ;)

Roy Tordes Legend .. use that darn edit button .. please .. :p :)

Darth Groovy
09-11-2003, 12:06 PM
Well these things take a great deal of time. First of all they have to come up with a list, edit, re-edit, then edit again. Then they have to sugar coat it so that all the members won't feel like they are being ruled with an Iron fist. Then once they draft up the rules, they have to come up with a set way of dealing with each problem. We have a similar guideline at Jediknight. For example, there are different standards. For some violations, it is an instant ban, like porn links, Warez and leaked Beta links. Then there is the spam and flaming guidelines. Members have to be warned an undisclosed amount of times, then further actions need to be decided on. Then they have to find a way of keeping track of who was warned, who was banned, the length of the ban...etc, etc, etc. Sometimes when new games come out, rules have to be modified to deal with the traffic flow of new members. I can't give you any specific details, but I ASSURE you they are working on it. They just cannot say anything until it is all final and approved, or else it could lead to disaster. How would you feel if we posted a rule, and then changed it tomorrow? It would piss you off, it would piss anyone off. They have to think these things through carefully before anyone can make it official. Making a decision is only the first step in a very long process. Not to mention, all of us mods, supermods, and admin have lives, jobs, school, and some even have families to care for as well. Please be patient ok?:)

edlib
09-11-2003, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by Carl Shutt
If I visit a new forum for the first time, and find it to be filled with nothing but vacuous crap, then yes, I'll go find another forum. What part of this are you having trouble understanding?
Well, first,.. the MI forums are MORE than the Harbor. It seems to me that it would be easy to post to any of the other forums and never set foot in the Harbor. If somebody REALLY wanted to take part it seems to me that ignoring one forum out of all the ones here shouldn't be that big of a hardship.

I also have trouble understanding the part about how if there are no topics posted that you approve of or want to talk about, why you don't start your own threads! It's easy to sit back and say "Nobody ever talks about anything interesting" but if you're not in there starting conversations about things you care about, or steering open threads in a direction you find more stimulating then it's all just a case of sour grapes. Be a bit pro-active. Otherwise people are going to talk about what's important to them, and if it's something that doesn't interest you, then you're stuck out in the cold.
If a thread does come up that you approve of, show some positive reinforcement by jumping in and participating, or even (God forbid... :rolleyes: ) offering a bit of praise to the topic starter.
Positive reinforcement can be a powerful tool Carl. Instead of always pointing out all the negative things you don't like, how about pointing out some of the positive parts of the things you do like? You just might get better results that way...


Just a thought.

Das Mole
09-12-2003, 01:55 AM
now i have to post in this thread here again.....


i'm gonna try not to pounce on anybody here, so don't take anything too personally.

okay, i'll start by addressing people...

carl shutt post #1 that i will attempt to pick away at:
segment #1
Natty, you are a complete spanktard.
i don't know what a spanktard is....but i don't think natty is one.

segment #2
I never suggested the escapemi.com regulars were acting in a hostile or unwelcoming manner towards new posters.
i don't think you suggested that either, but what if natty was just stating that. although it is somewhat extraneous....

segment #3
But when faced with the overwhelming amount of spam and whiny, teen-angst bull**** that makes up the Harbour, any intelligent person is going to run a mile.
two things: #1. i agree that most of it is "whiny, teen-angst bull****", maybe not that severe, but most of it is kinda like that, i agree. and #2. if it's so whiny and if it's spam and teen-angst and bull****, then....why do you read it?

segment #4
The very existence of the Harbour is driving people away from the MI forums, it is as simple as that.
well, this has been said throughout this thread repeatedly, but i'm agreeing with the half or 37% or whatever it is that says that the closing of topics is driving people away...not the spam itself.

see, that's the problem with this thing...is that both "sides" have to work together to reach what they want. the people that think the harbor is driving people away need to close more topics and just ignore the people that have issues w/it. the people who think that the closing of topics is driving people away need to then try and improve the quality of what they're posting so that both needs (stopping of closing and ending of spam) are satisfied. of course, that would require people to stop fighting, it would require cooperation amongst all of us, and since this isn't an idealistic world, here, then that's obviously not going to happen.

anyway, onto another post here...

carl shutt post #2 that i will attempt to pick away at:

If I visit a new forum for the first time, and find it to be filled with nothing but vacuous crap, then yes, I'll go find another forum. What part of this are you having trouble understanding?
nobody is having a hard time understanding anything here.

okay, we will now move on to....

the wonderful.....neil joshi!!! i'm going to pick apart everybody's posts btw, so don't be surprised that i'm doing this to neil ;)

okay, neil joshi post #1 that i will attempt to pick away at:
segment #1
Okay, this is the kind of crap I'm talkin about. Roy tords, why the hell do you have to post 3 seperate posts in the same damn thread one after another. If you didn'tthink of something before and no ones posted after you yet, the edit button can be your best friend.
i know i'm supposed to help out roy, here, but that's the truth. although roy did explain himself after this post, so.....oops. i just lost my train of thought. damn.

segment #2
is a post count that important to you?
i don't think the post count is important to roy at all. unless it is, then i'm mistaken, but i think i'm right.

and since the other 2 (i think) were a joke and something about a user that i don't know...i have nothing else to say about neil.

now....the presumptuous (i don't know, i'm trying to think of interesting words, here, ok?)...gabez!!!

gabez post #1
segment #1
RayJones, dude, I'm not saying you have to discuss Monkey Island here - quite the opposite in fact.
here we go. if you don't have to talk about mi (which i'm assuming means go to the harbor), then what's the big problem with this forum being "an off-topic discussion w/an mi discussion attached"? or, maybe not that extreme, but at least having more things to talk about in the harbor than in the mi discussion section. here's another thing dealing w/that topic: there's only so much to say about mi. once you talk about something, it's really done with, and with limits on what you can say (only about mi related things), you run out of topics fast, so naturally, there will be more things in the harbor than in the mi discussion and yet it seems to be a problem with people.

segment #2
Edlib and ZoomRabbit - you're complete and utter hippo burgers. I'm not being biased; I'm not segregating people according to game, "Hitler" style. All I was saying was that for a witty series of puzzle games we've got a surprising amount of idiots here.
well, since i can't refer back to what you said previously in this thread because the previous posts part of this screen is limited and i'm too lazy at the moment to leave this screen alone and check what you said, then i don't have anything to really say about this one. except that edlib and zoom are not hippo burgers. unless they want to be, as i'm sure they can find some way to turn that into a compliment ;)

segment #3
Also, guess what? I DON'T CARE ANYMORE. I've lost my bottle. You can quote me on this and campaign for fairer rights for posters but at the end of the day this is just a Monkey Island discussion board, and we are the mods, and you've got to live with this or go away. Really. I don't give a **** anymore. I don't. I'm exhausted from reading your whiney posts.
yeah we are kinda whiney. but you know what? we'll be whiney if we want, dammit! this is a free country! i hate it when little kids say that. plus, me saying "this is a free country" may not apply to all of us...i don't know where some of us live...and i know i can check the "location" thing on each person's post, but some people don't put where they actually live...take me for example. "binoba." :D

segment #4
I hate you all.
hate is such a strong word.

not.

okay, i can't find any more posts by you that i want to do, because there's only one and that's dealing with (another) post that i don't know.

okay...now we're onto: darth groovy!

i'll probably do only one post...only because they're so long. hey, at least you're a productive poster, right?

darth groovy only post that i will do because they're too long for me to comprehend! :
*whew!* okay, since i'm only doing one here, and i want to make up for it, here's the longest one i could find. it was really heavy...

segment #1
While you boys and girls are busy pissing in each other's Cheerios, can somebody please tell me how a thread like this is supposed to help anyone? What does this topic benefit other than the 3 of 4 members posting in it? To anyone on the outside, there is nothing for them to participate in. The purpose of an online forum is to post a topic that others can participate in. I realize that not all boards function the same way. Hell, I would love it if you all came over to my forums, I allow swearing, spamming, pretty much anything, but that is there, not here. They have chat rooms and IRC channels for this sorta thing, come on...it's just common sense. An online discussion and an AOL chat room should not be the same thing---ever! Besides, the thread is still open isn't it?
well, it helps people by giving them more material to read, plus anybody can become involved in a friendly debate thread. it can benefit others outside the thread by letting them know what's going on. this is like the news channel. especially like one of those segments where the two politicians always talk over each other.

segment #2
And for the record, I started coming here, because I see alot of really cool people posting here, and it's a wonderful escape from the terrors of jk.net.
it's also relief from the real world. i don't know about jk,net, but it sounds terrifying. i think i looked around there once...and it was a little scary, actually.

segment #3
This stuff happens on every single message board I ever posted on. Somebody get's his/her thread closed, post edited, post count nuked....whatever. And no matter what the cercumstances were, the mods are always the Nazi meanies, and the spammers are the freedom fighters defending the rights of spammers posters.
well, since people have feelings and emotions, which are usually quick to change, then people are obviously going to feel that the mods were nazi meanies. sometimes, they aren't (or at least in some people's eyes they're not), but it's inevitable that people are going to judge others on the way they've been treated by those people that they have particular opinions on.

segment #4
Why should this forum be any different than anyone else?
different in what way? getting away w/spamming? it shouldn't be any different than any other forum. perhaps if the moderators had stuck to not allowing a whole ton of spam or at least, what they believe to be spam, then the users at the harbor wouldn't believe that they deserve to be able to do what they want all the time.

segment #5
Why is that Harbour members are the only ones that think they are treated unfairly?
i'm sure that other people think they're treated unfairly as well, or at least would feel that way when it came to these kinds of circumstances, meaning the feeling that they've been robbed of something.

segment #6
What? The Harbour and Monkey Island forums are the only boards that ever merged? I just don't get it.
i don't think anybody really ever said that, and i don't think that anybody here thinks that either. also, i don't really see how the merge or anything has to do with being able to spam or the mods closing things...i don't get it.


segment #7
quote:
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Maybe if they did their job from the start then none of this would have happened...
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Please define what YOU think their job should be, I would LOVE to know...
their job is to cut down spam in a forum, and to keep things under control. but as everybody knows, the mods didn't really keep it at a minimum, it was kind of halfway there. and that's why none of this would've happened. i agree with that quote. i don't know who said that...but i agree 100%.

segment #8
As a side note, I think all your arguments would hold up better if you would stop saying things like "The XWAer's this", the "Aresener's that", this discussion reads like a bloody social studies project. Calling each other names, such as trolls, Nazis, spanktard....whatever. Please be civil eh?
i agree. i'm trying to be more civil...i don't think i've called anybody a name yet....that is...since i left. i've had a "rebirth" or whatever. okay. waaaaay too spiritual here. never mind.

segment #9
If you are all as mature as you say you are, why do you fail to demonstrate it?
are you asking the mods that question, because if you are...then i want to know too. in fact, i think all of us want to know. hasn't somebody asked that before?



okay, done w/groovy's post. since i'm too pooped right now to do any more...i'll probably come back tomorrow and do some more posts.

and here's one thing i want to say, referring back to the statement that the people in the harbor think they are being treated unfairly...i believe i said this in our other "flaming" thread in this feeback center...i forgot what it was...it was when the whole big moderation thing began. and i think i said (and i'm gonna say it again)


it's like telling a spoiled child with rich parents that they can't have whatever they want anymore. the moderators have "spoiled" the users in the harbor in a way (this is an analogy here) because they decided that they were going to start moderating more heavily. since we were previously free to post whatever we wanted and we could say what we wanted about anything, then that's how it came to be. once we were told that more heavy moderation was going to be done, it took away that freedom. now we're restricted, and people don't generally like having limits on what they can or can't do. it's like being a seven-year-old again.


well, that's all i have to say, i'm sure you enjoyed the wonderfully rich quality of my writing :rolleyes: i hope i didn't bore you to death...and if i did, then so be it. :)

wow, i think this may have been my longest post where i've actually stated my opinions that i've ever written :)

Natty
09-12-2003, 02:24 AM
Can't you read properly Carl? I never said the escapemi'ers were hostile or unwelcoming, I said the exact opposite. Next time before you try and insult me, at least look at what I've written before reading a few words and then pretend you think you know what I said when infact you don't. I said and I'll put it in bold so you can actually see it and it stands out for you. I'm thinking you need glasses. I could always start a fundraiser.

No, the escapemi.com people have always welcomed new people, take a look around, there's been plenty of newbies who have came along since the merge which everyone has welcomed with open arms. It's trolls like you who never have anything nice to say about other people and mods who close down basically everything that make the harbor an uninviting place for everyone else.

Basically, you're a troll Carl, so anything you have to say isn't worth taking on board because you're only here to cause arguments and put people down. Do you lead that much of a boring life that you have to be a sad little twat to people on a forum? That's not the Australian way.

And what is a spunktard? Is that some new way of saying "My name is Carl and I should have been swallowed while I was still a sperm because I lead a boring life and no one likes me which is why I post on a forum being a complete prick and troll to everyone"

Darth Groovy- in response to my comment about maybe if the mods did their job in the first place, I basically meant that if there was spam right from the very start when all the boards merged, they should have done something way back then, instead of waiting 6months later or however long it was when the spam got out of control. That's why I think a lot of people seem to be confused as to why topics that weren't closed in the past are now suddenly being closed, it's not fair. If those topics were seen as spam in the beginning, they shouldn't have been closed. I think the best and recent example is the "Hi I'm Back" threads. Why were 3 allowed to remain open, but one got closed? That's all I'm trying to say. It's not fair.

Hopefully whatever Neil has been working on will be fair and even to everyone, the mods, the posters and whoever else. I'm not sure what exactly is going on, it's between the mods, but I do feel that the posters have a right to say on the matters or the changes, of course that's just me, whatever is decided hopefully it will be fair on everyone.

Das, I read part of your post but my head started hurting ;) I'm sure when my head stops hurting I'll be able to read it properly. I'm amazed I've gotten this far after about 5hours sleep...

edlib
09-12-2003, 04:26 AM
edlib and zoom are not hippo burgers. unless they want to be, as i'm sure they can find some way to turn that into a compliment
Very perceptive on your part, Das...
I take it as a high compliment anytime someone responds to me directly on the web, negative or positive, because it means the intent behind the symbols I have placed on the glowing screen has managed to get past the back of someone's eyeballs and stimulate an emotion center in the brain strongly enough for them to respond. Anytime I can manage to arouse thought in another human being it's a good day.
Whether or not the response is intended as the slightest bit complimentary or not is purely immaterial.

Of course, I am also rarely offended by insults thrown my way in the cyber-world. In fact, if someone puts a little thought into it I am usually amused. They are, after all, just strange little symbols, representing words, on a glowing screen, mounted in a plastic box, put there by an anonymous stranger in an unknown part of the world,.. and it's very easy to discount them as such. When I surf away or kill the power they effectively don't exist anymore for me.

Zoom Rabbit
09-12-2003, 08:23 AM
I'm glad the MI moderation team (http://www.montrealmirror.com/ARCHIVES/1999/081299/newsphoto.jpg) is working on a sticky thread to help put these problems (http://tubes.ominix.com/art/a/people/bear-fight-native-american.png) to rest.

I only hope (http://www.midtod.com/bestof/jesus.gif) this division of which Redwing speaks can be let go as well. Can't we all just get along (http://www.cosplayuniverse.com/cosplay/104_0467.jpg)...? :dozey:

C Shutt
09-12-2003, 08:25 AM
Originally posted by Natty
Can't you read properly Carl? I never said the escapemi'ers were hostile or unwelcoming, I said the exact opposite. Next time before you try and insult me, at least look at what I've written before reading a few words and then pretend you think you know what I said when infact you don't.

I already know what you said. You said some irrelevant crap about how friendly and welcoming the Harbour posters were, when I had never suggested otherwise.

Zoom Rabbit
09-12-2003, 08:30 AM
So that would be a 'no,' (http://img-nex.theonering.net/movie/preview/images/ttt2_01891a.jpg) then...

RoyTordesLegend
09-12-2003, 08:37 AM
Lets face it, Carl only wants to get on with the people he likes, and insult the people he considers 'spanktard's.

bgbennyboy
09-12-2003, 09:41 AM
Thats quite enough of that, if theres any more personal bitching by anyone i'll delete the posts and lock the thread.

By all means post again if you want to be constuctive, if not shut the hell up. No more whiney posts, no really.

Ray Jones
09-12-2003, 10:21 AM
Originally posted by bgbennyboy
Thats quite enough of that, if theres any more personal bitching by anyone i'll delete the posts and lock the thread.

By all means post again if you want to be constuctive, if not shut the hell up. No more whiney posts, no really.

not whiney, but typically..

with personal bitching you mean ALL of us mr bgbennyboy??.. including the ONLY ONE who ISNT bitching in here????

you want constructive posts? and with this you do mean ALL of us??.. including the ones which are not posting constructive posts??

..well then .. ok..

lets wait what neil has to tell us!!

bgbennyboy
09-12-2003, 10:45 AM
Dont wait around for some big announcement, its quite possible that nothing will happen.

RoyTordesLegend
09-12-2003, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by bgbennyboy
Thats quite enough of that, if theres any more personal bitching by anyone i'll delete the posts and lock the thread.

By all means post again if you want to be constuctive, if not shut the hell up. No more whiney posts, no really.

The timing of your intervention is worring Benny. I hope that that is directed at everyone including Carl.

Regards the announcement....ah sod it I'll PM Neil!

Joshi
09-12-2003, 03:57 PM
I'd have thought bennys post was pretty straight forward and yet people still questioning it.

So here it is in plain english:

If you guys don't stop screwing around back there, i'm gonna turn this car thread around and nobodys going to disneyland! be able to post.!

Clear enough for ya.

Natty
09-12-2003, 07:08 PM
Stupid, bitching post edited away by bgbennyboy.

Read what I said earlier.

Natty
09-13-2003, 01:48 AM
Originally posted by Natty
edited away by bgbennyboy.


Yeah, and thanx for editing the non bitching part as well that was directed at Neil. Could that be classed as abusing mod powers or in your case was it considered as stupid spam?:rolleyes:

Jed
09-13-2003, 04:06 AM
.....

Wow, you can cut the angst in here with a knife...

After reading this entire thread (yes, I'm bored, so what :p), I think Neil's last post made everything crystal clear :D



Don't hurt me. Please.

*runs*

Joshi
09-13-2003, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by Natty
Yeah, and thanx for editing the non bitching part as well that was directed at Neil. Could that be classed as abusing mod powers or in your case was it considered as stupid spam?:rolleyes:

In that case, can you PM me the message so I know what it said, harsh and insulting or not, I want to hear it. Oh, and you're PM inbox is full.

Natty
09-13-2003, 03:14 PM
I can't remember what my "stupid bitching post" was exactly, but I know it was directed at Carl, I make no apologies, I think [No more bitching remember? Love bgbennyboy].

Anyways Neil, I said something along the lines of "You're still taking me to Disneyland though, you love me" or something like that. It did have something to do with Disneyland though. Which wasn't abusive or bitching.

Oh and PM box is emptied.