View Full Version : Hey! What do you think about my new jedi knight homepage???

Master Wando
09-15-2003, 04:38 PM
Hey! What do you think about my new jedi knight homepage???
Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy!!!

If you have time, please write in the guestbook...

url : www.embark.to/jvs (http://www.embark.to/jvs)

09-15-2003, 07:23 PM
Very well designed site!! Wish I could make websites like that... :cry6:

Master Wando
09-16-2003, 10:14 AM
Thanks man!!!

:toilet1: :-D

09-16-2003, 10:46 AM
a) frames = bad

b) excess of animated gifs, that are out of place = bad

c) lack of organization and poor color scheme = bad

d) stock Frontpage flash buttons? weak.

e) poor choice of backgrounds

f) lack of actual, useful content.

I would give it 3/10, with 10/10 being the best.
One more advice: don't use frontpage. it's ugly

09-16-2003, 10:55 AM
i liked it and thought it was good

09-16-2003, 11:08 AM
??? ok the first guy who said that was just kidding...
this site ist just a normal newbie site with tons of collected gifs and poor frontpage design. most of us had a simmilar start in web design. after the second or third site it gets better.

09-16-2003, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by ASk
One more advice: don't use frontpage. it's ugly

I couldn't agree more. I tried Frontpage the first time I ever designed a web page, and rapidly ditched it in favour of something else.

I'm not saying I'm any good at web design myself...I tend to favour the functional rather than the aesthetic. Even so...I agree with your other comments too. Definitely ditch the 'frames', and give the site more structure. The link buttons are okay. But as with other fan sites like this it needs a good header banner telling what the site is for. And I prefer to see clickable thumbnails to get access to screenshots, and the like. Loading a page with lots of full-sized images takes forever, and I quickly lose interest. And you might want to think seriously about changing the colour scheme...red text on black is harder to read - especially for sustained reading.

Good luck with the rest of the site anyway. ;)

09-16-2003, 11:30 AM
Both frames and frontpage are not necessarily ugly or wrong.
If one knows how to mess with them properly the page can turn out ok. I have one site for a congress hosted by the association at work at and it has both frames and was made in it's majority using frontpage.

The main problem with MasterWando's page is in my opinion the the lack of a custom theme leading to poor visual and the content of the page.

Make sure you diferentiate between local pages and outside 3rd party sites.

Since you are using frames, make sure every page appears on the content (lower right) frame. It make no sense to use frames and link sections of your site to open in new browser window.

Find a theme, create your backgrounds, buttons and design images all according to that same theme. Watch the image sizes... dont make people scrool up down left and right to see one single image. Once you get a good theme going.. get rid of the frame limits.. those are pretty ugly. The menu frame doesnt need a scrool bar... and it doesnt need that saber image as well.. get rid of both.

Learn how to mess with photoshop..it has fairly good tools to help you build a website's design. Also you should make some of the design images and button have transparencies so they blend better with the background.

Find site templates on the internet... dont use them, but learn from them. Reverse engineer them.

Watch the english.

Get rid of the first page gallery and put up a news or update pages as the first page. Them make a gallery section and either sieze down the bigger images and split them up into several pages or create a thumbnail page.

Too bloody many animated gifs. Makes a page distracting and annoying. You can make them available for download but you dont need them spread out through the whole website. And make sure there's a logical reason for an animated gif to be there (example: I wouldn't do it.. but the stromtrooper helmet could be near the link to your e-mail).

Stick to one background for all pages and watch for contrast between the Background and the fonts... You do want people to be able to read what you write easily, without strainning the eyes.

There are several things you could do better. Just keep on learning stuff and watch other sites. You'll instantly see the diferences and understand what is a mediocre site and what's a good to excelent site.

You may visit the site im working on for that congress i meantioned... it's not exactly an uber site either but it does explain what im talking about... it's still growing as well. I'm adding stuff regulary. I'm currently working on sponsoring banners and organization logos. (PS: I'm not the one to blame for any english errors... contentwise i only put it up... im not allowed to change ANYTHING).

I would also like to ear ASK's input... I know people dislike frames, so I'd like to know his input on my use of frames cuz personally i dont think it's a bad thing if it's done right.


09-16-2003, 01:21 PM
Frames can be good when done right, but in general they make things hard. Namely, it's harder to save webpages, it's harder to bookmark, and in case of multiple nested frames, the browser's behavior is undefined.

That site does look good though.

The next best thing to frames is tables. While making the page bigger, they do allow you to arrange the data on the page. However recent specifications discourage use of tables for design, instead proposing CSS, style and div usage.

09-16-2003, 01:55 PM
The major problem with tables is that if one small detail is overlooked... and isert several tables inside one table... the content of all the smaller is only displayed when the whole main table has finished loading... meaning you will sit in front of the monitor seeing absolutely nothing until the page is complete. Usually if you see things appearing one by one, you know things are happening,,, but if it takes too long and still you see nothing... you wonder if the page is actually loading or if you'll juist get the 404.

Thx for the compliment. You said it as i did.. Frames are good but only if you know how to do them properly. The first version of the site didnt have frames...it was all tables. But my bosses have a hard time making up their minds and they change stuff constantly, they prefer to put incomplete stuff online and update them regularly(which sometimes takes too long IMO) and they have these great ideas that are not feasable for a site. But they are bosses and they only listen to some of my sugestions... i adopted tables so I didnt have to update the menu items on every single page i made... and they seemed to like the fact the header is ever present. I just try to cope with it... IMO it turned out pretty well. And personally, under my circumstances tables have been saving me a whole heap of trouble.

You are nevertheless right about the saving and bookmarking... but alas not everything can be perfect.


09-16-2003, 02:14 PM
If you just want a fast easy program that's better than Frontpage to help you speed up the html, I suggest Macromedia's Dreamweaver. (www.macromedia.com)

09-16-2003, 02:21 PM
Kurgan: If you mean Master Wando... Definetly.

If you mean me... no can do. The association I work at is not gonna buy the license and I can't use unlicensed and ilegal stuff here at work. And this job is gonna take longer than the trial period will last. The only Macromedia stuff i used was the flash intro and that was using the tial flash mx... it has expired now.

But yeah... DW kicks butt.

09-16-2003, 03:11 PM
hmm, php saves the trouble to update constant stuff in the menu and banner. so i would only use frames for a simple site for simple purposes. but for myself i use php and tables or dhtml layers. gives you the best freedom after flash. so you can decide how informational or how fancy it can be. my site ist mainly in german and the info is more important, so it's nothing fancy( http://www.nitemare.de ). besides, it's not realy easy to make a web site promoting yourself...

that is different for a small clan page, there i can do more design and get away with it( http://www.nitemares.de/U/ ). we were not very active for the time beeing but it was fun to design a clanpage after so many years. i even did my own counter, check it out! heh

last year i made an attempt to pull off a jk2 league, based on the mod we were working on ( http://www.nitemare.de/bfaliga/ ). but when we had the first version up and running it was over again. the jk2 hype has vanished and all players settled for the standart game leagues or just fooling around on servers like before.
i made the design with 3dsmax mainly but it still had functionality enough to be a league site based on php. ofcourse i had a specialist for the php part. that kind of stuff is to high for a non coding grafik designer...anyway, now it's offline and the only thing i have to show is the designtest file with just the basic arrangement of menu, content frame (all tables) and the banner place on the top...

09-16-2003, 03:41 PM
BloodRiot: És portuga???

Master Wando:
Your site is terrible. The design is awful. The Flash buttons aren't good. The frame is too big. And frames suck. Use tables and PHP. The lightsaber on the frame is worthless. The GIF's are awful. The crap you made too. The font color is awful. Your webpage burned my eyes.

09-16-2003, 04:45 PM
Ever heard of constructive critiscism?

09-16-2003, 08:50 PM
Hey, cut the poor guy some slack antpocas. Sure, it isn't perfect, but give him a chance. Trashing him now and destroying his confidence isn't going to help him improve. I've found that the best way to achieve that is practice, and if he gets put off now then that isn't going to happen.

Personally I think he's on the right lines, and his work can only get better. :) Keep it up!

09-17-2003, 01:26 AM
what do you call messing up?

09-17-2003, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
Ever heard of constructive critiscism?
Yes, I did. But school is starting and I get annoyed by that. And I get even more annoyed by stupid GIF's. You want constructive criticism, I can do it.

First, easy on the exclamation points, damnit. What have they done to you? Unless you're going to be sarcastic or something (LOL!~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111), DON'T use them more than once. PLEASE. It seems that you always used them three times. That's !!!. Take care of the english a little bit too.

Now, page by page.

Main Page: Remove ALL the gifs and place them in a gallery.


Jedi Academy: Take more screenshots. Also, create thumbnails that point to the actual screenshots.

Jedi Outcast: Yasalamari. Urgh. Horrible misspelling.

Force Powers: Good. No comment here.

Weapons in Jedi Outcast: Not too bad. Remove the blank space in the end of the page and switch the lightsaber with an ingame image of it. I suggest you place the weapons and the comments in tables.


Downloads: Eh, looks a little too simple.

Frameset: Get new buttons and remove the lightsaber.

That's I believe you need to fix.
Oh, and remove the borders from the frames.

How's that for constructive criticism, Agen_Terminator?
Princessliar, if his confidence gets crushed by someone he doesn't even know online, than it deserves to be crushed.

Master Wando
09-17-2003, 02:44 PM
The backgrounds isnt good but i want to see your sites too... (If you have any...?) :D

I created the site with MM Dreamwaver

09-17-2003, 02:53 PM
the gif. with Vader fighting Obi Wan was good. That is all.

Master Wando
09-17-2003, 03:32 PM
yours sucks too :bdroid2: :p

09-17-2003, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by antpocas

Princessliar, if his confidence gets crushed by someone he doesn't even know online, than it deserves to be crushed.

Well excuse me for caring about his feelings. :rolleyes:

09-17-2003, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by Master Wando
The backgrounds isnt good but i want to see your sites too... (If you have any...?) :D

I created the site with MM Dreamwaver

Just click Imagination Unbound in my sig. My site's nothing special, just functional. It used to be very graphical, and took ages to load, even after considerable optimisation, so I changed it to a much simpler design.

And yes, I use the cursed nested frames. :p

Everyone feel free to criticise the hell out of my site. I know I'm not a very good web designer.

09-17-2003, 05:09 PM
i also favor dreamweaver. check the links i postet above in my monster story-of-my-life post...heh

or should i sum it up?




obviously i am a very grafical guy, and i hate using stuff which i didn't do myself. so everything is done using 3dmax and photoshop.

09-17-2003, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by Master Wando
The backgrounds isnt good but i want to see your sites too... (If you have any...?) :D

I created the site with MM Dreamwaver As of now, I have none. I'm currently making a PHP template, but I don't know what to make it about. I could make one about Star Wars... hmm... one MySQL database and PHP4 should do. Yeah. A Scenario Design Database for SWGB it is.

09-17-2003, 07:00 PM
Real men use HTML and Notepad...

09-17-2003, 09:11 PM
Sorry everyone else, this post won't add anything interesting :p

Hey antpocas, tb es tuga, tou a ver... É a primeira vez k vejo tantos (2) tugas num forum... Heh, es dd??

09-17-2003, 09:24 PM
Originally posted by Prime
Real men use HTML and Notepad...

Good to know I'm exempt. :p

09-18-2003, 11:03 AM
Prime: No, real men use create Perl scripts to build their webpages. Like the guy that made PHP.

09-18-2003, 12:20 PM
HeHe well Back in the day I used HTML and Notepad but now I have moved on to flash lol

Here's my just created JK:A multiplayer character feel free to give me some C&C


Ohh yah BTW Stop flaming this guy! He is just starting out... We all have to start somewhere stop picking on him. Wando… good first web page, pm me, or shout out on my characters homepage if you want some design theories and some good websites on website design.