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Astrotoy7
09-26-2003, 02:12 AM
In DF I he seemed kinda rugged, and sullen. In JKI we saw him in the flesh, dare I say it a bit dorky lookin and too fat for his tights. In JO we suffered through the whole game as him, now thank goodness, in JA we can be someone else ! For me Jaden is, and always will be a scantily clad grey female twilek ! Every time I try to play as someone/something else it's just not the same.......

I'm not a fan of Kyle's at all, especially his brown outfit. Can anyone explain what that thing that looks like a turtle shell on his right shoulder is ! (I know Dash Rendar wore something similar, but he was much much cooler than Kyle ever was)

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jpburton5150
09-26-2003, 02:21 AM
haha i like darth vader :p but yeah i dont really like kyle katatn all that much either... i like it when actual movie elements are in the game... i dont recall seeing or hearing of kyle katarn in any of the movies

Astrotoy7
09-26-2003, 02:30 AM
No, Kyle's never been in any of the movies, although he was supposedly the one who stole first Death Star's plans which eventually ended up with leia. After seeing the plans in Episode 2 I wonder if any allusion to this will be made in Ep3.......

Kyle has also appeared in books of course, and perhaps in the comics(i'm not sure about that one)

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Tesla
09-26-2003, 02:45 AM
I actually like Kyle, He makes me laugh in JA when he cuts up Stormies on Vjun and taunts them.

I see him being in a few more JK games then probarly being killed off like alot of SW Characthers, like Chewbacca *Bastages*.

But i think that they should go away from the ROTJ era with Luke & Co and go back to say the time of KOTOR or before that, maybe 10,000 years before the Empire and have a Jedi Knight game set then, that would give you oppurtunitys to open up new characthers, new weapons and new locations. :)

boinga1
09-26-2003, 03:20 AM
My favorite "Kyle" memory from JO:

We're on Vjun. Now Kyle has just finished warning me about "be careful of the darkside" etc etc. Now he goes and tries to use lightning on a trooper. He somehow misses (yes, with lvl 3 lightning!). I go over and use lightning on the guy, he dies, and Kyle starts laughing: "Hahahahahaha!" It was wquite funny, given the irony of his student using dark side powers and the "good" teacher just laughing.

Of couse, technically, it was just his taunt, but still...

Personally, I think Kyle looks good with a saber in hand. Without the saber his outfit just looks stupid. :p

sights0d
09-26-2003, 03:44 AM
I think he looks like a cowboy from the village in that stupid brown outfit. I don't know why he went 70's, but he should come back. What happened to the cool outfit he had on in the original DF?

A better question is "why do they have to be so cheap?" I mean... why can't they have real movie fmv's instead of ones made in the game engine?

TK-8252
09-26-2003, 04:04 AM
Originally posted by Tesla
in JA when he cuts up Stormies on Vjun and taunts them. Well I never really liked that bantha herder Katarn, and what you just sayed in this quote makes me dislike him even more. Kyle seemed a lot like Han Solo, which I never liked either. For some reason, I think Kyle and Han are racist against Rodians... Even though Kyle can train one in Jedi Academy...

[BFE]Winters
09-26-2003, 04:20 AM
I liked playing as Kyle :D

Winters

r0bman5
09-26-2003, 04:39 AM
ok... bear w/ the rambling... here we go:

kyle's one of your rough, rugged, not-pretty-boy sw characters. the "realistic" ones, in my opinion. Sure, his clothing's questionable, but the thing that always made him appealing to me was he was HUMAN. He made mistakes and he had rash judgements based on feeling. When I think of kyle i think of the movie scene in JK when he was on the platform and jerec was taunting him to kill jan (where you ultimately made the light or dark choice). He was looking back and forth, a face on the verge of tears, reflecting his soul being torn between the light and dark. This showed an emotional struggle, something deep. something HUMAN. not luke/leia/etc "oh, I'll always do the right thing for the good of the galaxy." It's a conflict of what's the "correct path" and inner demons. Chalk one up for lucasarts for creating such a wonderful character. Raven, in my opinion, kind of delved away from any emotional struggle pertaining to kyle w/ JO/JA. In a way, that bothered me. So did the clothes they put him in :) BUT, they still made two of the most entertaining and played games I've ever bought, and that's the important part. My final verdict? Kyle's very likeable and easy for a fan to identify w/, b/c he's human. Oh, and he always has the coolest ships :)

peloquin
09-26-2003, 04:44 AM
I agree, we wanted a jedi and they give us a shepherd lol

We wanted to be guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy but instead we're herding stormtroopers across the galaxy

We wanted to be fighting Sith lords like Darth Vader, Maul and Dooku instead we get the janitor crew from the last deathstar that they pored liquid shwartz over and swapped their broom for a shiny new lightsaber and said "here ya go, go shove this up a shepherd's arse"

But hey when all is said and done they did give us a lightsaber....mmmmmm light s a b e r! (drools) So I thank them for that and I say to them I don't mind being a shepherd, I don't mind having to kill janitors who dealed out a line of wacky force snorted it down and went raging on the town with a lightsaber. No I don't mind cause I have a big glowing stick in my hand that goes "vvshhooom wshhoom" when I move it about... I love the game, nuff said.

idontlikegeorge
09-26-2003, 04:52 AM
Originally posted by Astrotoy7
I know Dash Rendar wore something similar, but he was much much cooler than Kyle ever was)

Whatever. Dash Rendar was a Han Solo/Kyle rip-off for a lame story and game, and was given a lamer name.

But yeah, in Dark Forces, Kyle still had a more generic mercenary design to him... whereas in Jedi Knight, the character was really given a background and all that jazz... and you learn he came from relatively rural roots, as well.

Personally, I like Kyle's character alot, since there is alot of backstory with him, he's one of the most realized EU characters.

Maybe not like Mara Jade, but really, any wonder why Mara Jade is such a popular character? Star Wars fans + hot comic book and other media chick = love. :D

MrDomin0
09-26-2003, 07:25 AM
I like Kyle mostly because he's not the typical clean-cut weenie that all the Jedi are. Don't get me wrong here, I dig the light side, but why can't there be more Jedis that KATN? I mean, the creative basis for the Jedi is Toshiro Mifune, why not make more characters with his on-screen qualities? (That's sort of a rhetorical question to a certain director, we'll call him Goerge L.)

I won't go so far as to say that Kyle is more real than the other characters, he's just a bit more interesting. That line in the beginning of JA "You always feel a disturbance in the force." I can't tell you how often I've thought that.

Kurgan
09-26-2003, 08:00 AM
I've always liked Kyle.

I know that he's pretty much super-powered (he's a game character after all) with any excuse to make him tough, but the character has grown on me.

I agree, his JK2 outfit was kinda goofy (outside of a desert setting of course).

He is from a farming family, but c'mon... when he's teaching at the Academy or pulling Mercenary duty for the New Republic he's better off in Wes Janson's "stealth gear." ; )

The Twi'Lek's wearing "dancing girl" outfits all the time is another brain bug. There's no logical reason for them to do that unless they're all still working as dancing girls. Ah well...

Sivy
09-26-2003, 09:02 AM
this is how kyle should look..

http://www.leaderspa.it/Prodotti/ADVProdotto/102279/images/JK2-E3image.jpg

why this pic is on the back of the JO game manual i don't know, cause it aint kyle.. although he should look like that.

melianor
09-26-2003, 09:29 AM
Kyle's just as human as anyone of us. Luke somehow looks like a Droid to me in JO and JA.
This is a typical quote that shows how different both are:
Luke: I sense a disturbence in the force.
Kyle: You always sense a disturbence in the force.... (sarcastic)

Also i like the aspect that you can be more on the good side and still use some of the dark powers. In case of Kyle this just shows that he "knows" himself well enough to use these powers without turning. BUT HELL, what are we talking about? Psychic conditions of virtual game characters?! Oh boy, we are not on the dark side, but we have fallen into a dark pit ;) *lol*

All i can say is "Use the force, no matter which, no ne of them are bad or good. The forcewielder decides to act good or bad (whatever that means in your concept of reality)." This is also one of the quotes you will hear from Kyle in the game, though certainly not phrased like mine.

StormHammer
09-26-2003, 11:13 AM
Kyle, as a character, is great, IMHO. I would also like to congratulate Lucasarts on how they managed to integrate this new character into the events hinted at in the movies, and in developing such a great back-story for what is essentially a 'game' character. That back-story was developed even further in the 3 illustrated novels (more like novellas), that glossed over his in-game exploits.

I too agree that he should have ditched his outfit. He should have had a cool new outfit in every new game, as far as I'm concerned - and should definitely have worn something more appropriate to his 'jedi master' status in the Academy. I don't mean robes...but something to reflect his roguish nature.

Anyway, I like the way they've developed Kyle throughout this series of games - and I think it was definitely the right time for him to take a step into the background, with his status assured. For me, Kyle's story is pretty much complete, and he should remain in the background for any further games in this series.

Pnut_Man
09-26-2003, 11:30 AM
I remember going through the Yavin Training missions in JA, and hearing Kyle instruct me on the 'paths of the force'. He mentioned that the dark side and lightside aren't essentially good or evil, but only what you did with the powers truly counted. I thought to myself- 'Vergere...Traitor...mwhahah' and then went away smiling as i finished blowing up remotes :)

leXX
09-26-2003, 11:39 AM
The beard and the brown outfit just don't do it for me I'm afraid, but his personality is ok. I am also of the opinion that his time is up and we should see some fresh new characters in the next JK game. I would like the next instalment to follow the path of Jaden with no Kyle in sight.

Darth_Pnut
09-26-2003, 11:47 AM
I was waiting for that Tom, and I have to agree. Heck, me and you invested a lot of RP time into that same concept. I'm glad they have a character like kyle to rationlize this "Light Force Good!" crap. It's how you use it that counts, thats why I like kyle. He's one of the few Jedi who don't run away from the dark side, he uses it in moderation, and with purpose.

Pnut

ryudom
09-26-2003, 12:00 PM
i really liked df and jk1 kyle, but jk2/ja not as much. i still liked him but he looked scrawny and not as rustic i think

Astrotoy7
09-26-2003, 12:38 PM
Who would've guessed that there were so many katarnophiles out there. I shouldn't be so suprised though, seeing that this is a gamers forum more than an EU forum, we've seen so much of the guy we either like him or don't !

As for Dash Rendar, I think the thing that makes him stand out in my mind was his ship, and that great pic of him by the hildebrandts...also dont forget he was the first sw game character we rode a swoop with, long before Jaden ever did....
(kyle has a great ship of course - which we all saw in The Phantom Menace oh so briefly)

One of my little hobbies at the moment is compiling FMVs and cinematic cutscenes from the great SW games of the last decade onto a DVD. This of course would include the great JKI and Rebel Assault II FMVs. They are an interesting part of SW Gaming history....

Yeah, like other posters have stated, I hope kyle sits in the background for subsequent games. I would love to have a game with the new generation of jedi knights..... jaina and jacen(if he can decide to fight :P), kyp durron, aleema rar etc. Although with Ep 3 coming out I think more games featuring the prequel era jedi are more likely...

The way JA SP ended(whichever way I should say), it begs for a sequel or follow up of some sort...


As for Kyle's outfits, he did look cool as dark kyle in the alternate ending of JKI


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ViNYL_VeNGeaNCe
09-26-2003, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by idontlikegeorge
Whatever. Dash Rendar was a Han Solo/Kyle rip-off for a lame story and game, and was given a lamer name.

I agree with you, Dash Rendar is a stupid name:rolleyes:

Flashblade
09-26-2003, 02:26 PM
Originally posted by r0bman5
not luke/leia/etc "oh, I'll always do the right thing for the good of the galaxy."

What are you talking about? Did you understand EP 5 and 6 at all? Luke made no errors? What was that about leaving his training with Yoda was that not a mistake (costing him his right hand in the process)? And EP6 when Luke struck down Vader he was very near to becoming a dark Jedi as well! He barely got control over himself staying at the light side so no struggles right?

Damar Stiehl
09-26-2003, 02:37 PM
Kyle's alright, at least in comparison to the universal Jedi Jackoff Master known as Corran Horn. Man I hate Corran Horn...

The only thing that bothers me a bit about Kyle (and why I didn't like being him in JKJO) is because he looks and sounds depressed 80% of the time. Oh well.

Nemios
09-26-2003, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by Astrotoy7
kyle has a great ship of course - which we all saw in The Phantom Menace oh so briefly

What?!? Where??? :confused:

TheBarcode
09-26-2003, 03:50 PM
I think I know where he saw the Moldy Crow. When you first see Courisant, a black ship rushes at you toward the top of the screen. I think that might be it.

DarthShad
09-26-2003, 06:13 PM
Regarding the Twi'leks outfit...haven't you guys seen EPII??

There is a Twi'lek Female Jedi (blue skinned), in the same outfit as the one portrayed in the game.

You can catch her right after Count Dooku stops the battle in Geonosis (right before the clones arrive).

Cheers!

DarthShad

Flashblade
09-26-2003, 08:08 PM
Thats Ayalaa Secura and yes Twi'lek seem to prefer such outfits ;)

DigitalVapor
09-26-2003, 08:43 PM
Especialy babes like Aayla Secura and Ann Gella and her twin sister (sebulba's masseuses) Oola was nice too. Theres just somthing about that blue skin...

Assault3000
09-26-2003, 11:07 PM
I like Kyle Katarn, he's my favorite EU character. I know he's getting too old to be the main character of future games. As for killing him off, I doubt it. He's still around during "The New Jedi Order," though just planning military strategies against the invaders (He's got to be pretty old by that time.)

Personally, I'd like to see another mercenary Kyle game. Set before Dark Forces, or between that and Jedi Knight. Destroying the Dark Troopers wasn't Kyle's only job as a mercenary, and I'm getting sick of all of these Jedi action games.

Kurgan
09-27-2003, 12:41 AM
Regarding the Twi'leks outfit...haven't you guys seen EPII??

There is a Twi'lek Female Jedi (blue skinned), in the same outfit as the one portrayed in the game.

Yup, it's a brain bug, just like how most of the Jedi in the prequels wear Tatooine style desert robes even though they live on Coruscant and hardly spend any time on Tatooine.



A "brain bug" is a term for a minor detail or kernal of an idea that's put into something in fiction that begins to GROW and expanded in follow ups and spin offs (Star Trek is a prime example).

Obi-Wan is hiding out on Tatooine (a backwater planet... after the Jedi purge and the Empire has taken over) amongst other people wearing similar clothing (Uncle Owen, various people seen walking around in the background, etc), now suddenly 20 years later it's the Jedi friggin' uniform! (33 years in the past no less)

We see a few Twi'Lek slaves and exotic dancers wearing skimpy outfits to dance for Jabba's (a crimelord) pleasure, and wait on Sebulba a celebrity (do his nails, give him lap dances, whatever) on Tatooine, and now suddenly it's their native costume! (but only for females I guess...)

And remember, Jaden Korr is supposed to be from Coruscant... so why is she dressed like a dancer from Tatooine?

idontlikegeorge
09-27-2003, 01:56 AM
She isn't - unless some player with a Twi'lek fetish decides to make Jaden so! :p

It's been described that the female Twi'leks have alluring properties with their movement and kinetics - and both genders supposedly talk with kinetic movements of the head tenticles too - so maybe, it's a subconscious method of sense and persuasion, which would be of practical use to a Jedi as well as a slave dancer.

One thing, with the robe look of old Jedis, is, well, they are kind of a priestly caste, as well as "police" - I mean they have a semi-religious order as well. And also, just because one female Twi'lek Jedi wore a skimpy outfit (although it wasn't near as skimpy as slave girl outfits) doesn't mean anything. It just means that character wore skimpier clothing.

What's a Galactic Senator wearing that skin-tight... (drool)... um... yeah.... you get the point... I gotta go now....

:lol: :D :p

Taran'atar
09-27-2003, 04:58 AM
Kyle could use a change of clothes, that much is certain. However, he's a solid character. Easily one of my favorite Jedi (although that's not saying much, since most of them are boring and have zero personality).

Astrotoy7
09-27-2003, 06:05 AM
Hi All

To Taran'atar, who said

although that's not saying much, since most of them are boring and have zero personality

Yeah, some are pretty flat. I'm not sure how much of the novels you have read, but there are some great jedi characters, such as Mara Jade, Kyp Durron, Jaina Solo is pretty fiery. As much as Jacen Solo seems to be the sad case of the jedi clan, there's something more to him that is immediately evident(as seen in the Book 'Traitor'). Corran Horn(who was very briefly mentioned in JA) is another great Jedi. If anyone hasn't read the book "I, Jedi" I thoroughly reccommend it. It is unique that it described his time training at Luke's Academy in first person.....

Kurgan, I agree that sci fi, and indeed popular culture in general is a bastion of brain bugs, however

Brain bug or no, Yoda lived on a swamp planet in ESB and seemed to wear a similar guise as all the jedi had in Ep 1 and 2.
When Luke 'came out' in ROTJ, he wasnt wearing the desert robes, and he was form Tatooine !! He opted for the snazzy black priest's outfit minus the collar, with matching maul style black robe....!!

Not all the jedi in the massive fight scene at the end of AOTC were in standard 'desert garb' jedi uniform either.. The almighty Anakin Skywalker's outfit is different too...

I just think its a type of characterisation more than anything, just like Matt Groening's characters in The Simpsons and Futurama look similar....

I do think its a good idea that jedi dress similar though, seeing they were peacekeepers, it is probably good that they were identifiable......just like cop uniforms

As for Twilek girls, I dont see anything wrong with the skimpy outfits, and yes in the films all twilek ladies seem to like dressing light :P and the bad thing about this is......................????????

In the context of JA, if someone is really perturbed by it, enter the console command so she can run around in her gorgeous hoth outfit, though she probably wont like it if you make her wear it on Tatooine..............

As for

What's a Galactic Senator wearing that skin-tight... (drool)... um... yeah.... you get the point... I gotta go now....

.....LMAO

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