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Darth Groovy
10-01-2003, 11:51 AM
Dear Monkey Island Admin,

I was wondering,

If the good people from the Harbour were to come up with a new name, opposed to "Life and how to live it", would you at least hear them out?

If not, could you kindly explain the necessity for the name change? I don't feel that is too steep of an order, and it would be more than kind if you would hear them out. If this backfires, I apologize in advance, but I had to try.

Sincerely,

Darth Groovy

(Harbour/Life and how to live it members insert your comments here, please be tactful)

Ray Jones
10-01-2003, 01:22 PM
is tacty as i can be..

dear admin, a few points.

1. the natur of this ex-harbor subforum wont change just because of another name.

2. the title "Life and how to live it" is not suitable for a/THE Monkey Island Discussion Forum. .. just like you may say the harbor as it is was (spammy) does not fit to your/THE Monkey Island Discussion Forum.

3. why are you not talking to us "users"? if you fancy with a name change why not make a community thing of it? or at least. explain it in a few words.


yours d.i.g.i.,

ray

RoyTordesLegend
10-01-2003, 04:01 PM
....you're like a vigilante Ray;)

I reckon we should call it:-

'The Ray Jones pantee appreciation club'

Darth Groovy
10-01-2003, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by RoyTordesLegend
....you're like a vigilante Ray;)

I reckon we should call it:-

'The Ray Jones pantee appreciation club'

See, this is why nobody listens to you. I'm already sorry for starting this thread...:rolleyes:

Yufster
10-01-2003, 05:51 PM
Don't be sorry Darth. You could never have known it was going to happen. It's not your fault.

A consultation with the users WOULD have been nice, and a lot more proffessional/considerate/whatever. I do think that the admins should have a bit more respect for forum users.

But that said, I mean what, is the new name gonna give us leprosy or something? I think I feel my arms falling off right now. Oh, and my head. My head is definitely falling off. Lepers heads DO fall off, right? Because mine is.

RoyTordesLegend
10-01-2003, 08:53 PM
Groovy.........chillski!

I thought The Harbor was a fine name in keeping with the Monkey Island feel......I don't see the point in changing it, but neither am I bothered by the change.....

....perhaps something a little more Monkey Islandyfied would be nicer however...but if it stays the way it is.....well what does it matter?

......if you fancy a bird, you're not going to knock her back because her name is Gertrude or Frogmella are you?

Yufster
10-01-2003, 09:14 PM
My name is Gertrude. What's wrong with that?

Ernil
10-01-2003, 09:35 PM
The new name is not witty, fun, Monkey Islandish, and does not represent what goes on in there as much as "The Harbor" does. No, it's not something that I need changed. I'm not that picky. It's just that we changed it...meaning there was reason to do it. If such, I was wondering what decision was made to name it this.

Ray Jones
10-02-2003, 06:50 AM
Originally posted by Thrik teh flip
.. the name of the Harbour has been changed. Why does it even matter? It was changed because the people who run the forum decided so ..

any questions left eh? everything is fine. everything is still mi. :rolleyes:

plus if "the chosen one" who runs this forum decides not to talk then it must be because "the chosen one" cant talk.

and i'm sure "the chosen one" likes to get treatened the way "the chosen one" treats .. "us". it must be "the chosen ones" all day experience.

yadayadayadayadayadaya..da..ya...da...

..
[whiny creep voice]
sorry groovy.. but you must admit. noone will change anything just because of the users. users are least important for a forum. what you need is a click count for the advertisers.. that can be easily faked by a strong and powerful admin!! ez money .. less work.
[/whiny creep voince]

[mod voice]
now stop teh whining and get back to work.. err .. teh foruma fka teh harbor.
[/mod voice]

Natty
10-02-2003, 08:14 AM
I was thinking of Monkeying Around. My reason for this is that it's fun and keeping with the Monkey Island theme. I think the forum description thingie is fine though.

RoyTordesLegend
10-02-2003, 08:16 AM
...you were thinking of Monkeying around with some well oiled studs from the local gym Nat!!!

Natty
10-02-2003, 08:30 AM
Originally posted by RoyTordesLegend
...you were thinking of Monkeying around with some well oiled studs from the local gym Nat!!!

huh?

Hmmmmmmmmm gym... hot sweaty guys :):cool:

Ernil
10-02-2003, 08:38 PM
It sound like Roy has his mind on Hot, well oiled, sweaty men again. I thought you were trying to stay away from them recently?;)

Ernil
10-03-2003, 02:11 AM
Why is it that I notice a lack of answers? I'm sure the one in charge has read out thread.


I'd like to know if answers can be expected.

RoyTordesLegend
10-03-2003, 03:05 AM
.....you have me all worked out Ern.....:naughty:

Joshi
10-03-2003, 08:25 AM
Originally posted by ErnilPherianath
Why is it that I notice a lack of answers? I'm sure the one in charge has read out thread.


I'd like to know if answers can be expected.

anyone tried pming an admin. they're not always over here you know.

NiKo
10-03-2003, 08:52 AM
Originally posted by Natty
I was thinking of Monkeying Around. My reason for this is that it's fun and keeping with the Monkey Island theme. I think the forum description thingie is fine though.

heey. you stole that name from me:p

Natty
10-03-2003, 09:00 AM
I did? COOOOOOOOOOOOOL!

Anyways I posted about this thread in the feedback section for Lucas Forums.

NiKo
10-03-2003, 09:06 AM
yep. read my post here (http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=113415&perpage=40&pagenumber=1)

you probably read it and it went into your subconcious (sp?) and you forgot you read it

either that, or we think alike:D

Natty
10-03-2003, 09:16 AM
Suprise Suprise, C Shutt comes along to my thread in the feedback section about this thread and goes on with some crappy story. Did he even read what Neil said about bringing it to the admins attention? :rolleyes: Although what would one expect anyway? He's not happy unless he's arguing with someone or putting someone down.

Zoom Rabbit
10-03-2003, 09:17 AM
'The Forum of the Drunken Monkey.'

Natty
10-03-2003, 09:25 AM
Originally posted by Zoom Rabbit
'The Forum of the Drunken Monkey.'

Oh I LOVE that!!!! Although I'm not sure how the Drunken bit would go down well with 12yo's.

C Shutt
10-03-2003, 09:32 AM
Originally posted by Natty
Suprise Suprise, C Shutt comes along to my thread in the feedback section about this thread and goes on with some crappy story. Did he even read what Neil said about bringing it to the admins attention?

Sure, I read it. And your point is? This has nothing to do with the admins, so "bringing it to their attention" is completely unnecessary.

RoyTordesLegend
10-03-2003, 09:34 AM
Originally posted by Natty
Suprise Suprise, C Shutt comes along to my thread in the feedback section about this thread and goes on with some crappy story. Did he even read what Neil said about bringing it to the admins attention? :rolleyes: Although what would one expect anyway? He's not happy unless he's arguing with someone or putting someone down.

But you're not allowed to point that out, Nat. No one can ever disagree with one of Carls posts/insults/put downs....it's one of those unwritten rules :)

STTCT
10-03-2003, 10:03 AM
I don't like the new name....

How about something like the

Bucaneer's Barrio (sp)

The Galley

Pirates Cove

Pirates Pub

Monkey Mahem

Monkey Mischief

I could keep it coming....

RoyTordesLegend
10-03-2003, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by STTCT

I could keep it coming....

I like this one - lets call it:-

"I could keep it coming...." :)

Thrik
10-03-2003, 10:13 AM
I say we call it "Thrik". :)

STTCT
10-03-2003, 10:15 AM
It's not that type of forum Roy ;)

ptdc
10-03-2003, 10:23 AM
The old name was encouraging incorrect spelling. Think about THAT.

Natty
10-03-2003, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by RoyTordesLegend
But you're not allowed to point that out, Nat. No one can ever disagree with one of Carls posts/insults/put downs....it's one of those unwritten rules :)

Rules are made to be broken dear :)

Ray Jones
10-03-2003, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by RoyTordesLegend
But you're not allowed to point that out, Nat. No one can ever disagree with one of Carls posts/insults/put downs....it's one of those unwritten rules :)

everyone can roy.. everyone. and many do.. but he will never ever check that nor one of his friends will do.. that may be sad but should make us glad that at least we do check some. me for instance.. i check NOTHING but this is waaay much more than carl does check. if written or not.. THAT is a rul. :xp:

Joshi
10-03-2003, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by C Shutt
Sure, I read it. And your point is? This has nothing to do with the admins, so "bringing it to their attention" is completely unnecessary.
Do you know anyone else that could change the name of the forum?

Ray Jones
10-03-2003, 02:23 PM
he might have said that remio runs the mi discussion forum and therefore he can name it like he wants to. or he might have not.

Darth Groovy
10-03-2003, 03:17 PM
Bloody Hell,

At this point, I hope they call it Thrik, or leave the existing name. I tried to help, but you all showed your true colors. Act like morons, get treated like morons, and hey... life goes on!

RoyTordesLegend
10-03-2003, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by Darth Groovy
Bloody Hell,

At this point, I hope they call it Thrik, or leave the existing name. I tried to help, but you all showed your true colors. Act like morons, get treated like morons, and hey... life goes on!

....?!....ever think you take life just a tad too seriously Groovy? Now breathe......slowly.......:)

Gabez
10-03-2003, 05:12 PM
Taking life too seriously, eh? And this is a two page thread containing a heated argument concerning the name of another forum which is a sub-forum of another forum of a site called LucasForums which is about 0.00001% or the Internet, which is a moderately small part of our society, which is part of this planet, which is so infinitely small that it really doesn’t matter at all in the grand scheme of the universe, which is probably only one of an infinite amount of other parallel universes which alltogether makes up something that the human mind can't even comprehend.

Dude, put it into perspective. ;;

Ray Jones
10-03-2003, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by Gabez
the Internet, which is a moderately small part of our society, which is part of this planet, which is so infinitely small that it really doesn’t matter at all in the grand scheme of the universe, which is probably only one of an infinite amount of other parallel universes which alltogether makes up something that the human mind can't even comprehend.

you never know, gabez. you never know.

the internet makes the world small. it leads people from all over the world together. it maybe a first step for a new way of thinking over the "world" to build up a new mentality. according to the recent happenings on this planet this may be of some importance for the forthcome of mankind in the future. and what we dont understand today can be part of the common knowledge of tomorrow.

Ernil
10-04-2003, 02:20 PM
Taking life too seriously, eh? And this is a two page thread containing a heated argument concerning the name of another forum which is a sub-forum of another forum of a site called LucasForums which is about 0.00001% or the Internet, which is a moderately small part of our society, which is part of this planet, which is so infinitely small that it really doesn’t matter at all in the grand scheme of the universe, which is probably only one of an infinite amount of other parallel universes which alltogether makes up something that the human mind can't even comprehend.

Also, you're only one human of Billions on this earth. And we aren't even the only beings that live on this earth. Why do you bother to live? Put it into THAT perspective?

I say, put a passion into everything you do. Why do or have something you dont like, and doesn't work as well, if you don't have to. Even though it's a small, tiny part of the world, why not make it the best you can?

And while we're at it...may as well have a bit o' fun. ;)

With Love,
Ernil

Das Mole
10-04-2003, 04:02 PM
Taking life too seriously, eh? And this is a two page thread containing a heated argument concerning the name of another forum which is a sub-forum of another forum of a site called LucasForums which is about 0.00001% or the Internet, which is a moderately small part of our society, which is part of this planet, which is so infinitely small that it really doesn’t matter at all in the grand scheme of the universe, which is probably only one of an infinite amount of other parallel universes which alltogether makes up something that the human mind can't even comprehend.

Dude, put it into perspective. ;;

sorry, but i'm gonna pick on this, too.


well, let me start with the big stuff.

1) about the parallel universe and other things outside of our solar system or planet: i highly doubt that anybody here (unless they're an astrologist or something like that) is and/or needs to be concerned about any of that, therefore it doesn't really matter in our peek into perspective.

2) even though this community is only "0.00001%" of the internet, i don't think that everybody here is involved with every single little thing in the other 99.99999%.

3) and even though it is a sub-forum of a forum within a website, we are all involved in it and therefore it should matter to some of us, because even though there a billions or maybe trillions of things we should be concerned with, we're not bothered by all of that and this "sub-forum of a forum" is a part of our exclusive lives, no matter how important it may be to us, and it should mean something to at least one person here. it's not like we're all involved with planets and nebuli trillions of light years away or anything. :rolleyes:

anyway....i think that contacting the admin would be the right thing to do if we wanted to change the name of the ex-harbor back to the harbor, otherwise...there's no way to change it, really...i personally don't have to bit of a problem with it, it's just weird. i know it's not like the name makes a difference, they're just characters in the english language typed on a screen, but it holds some significance, i think. especially since it's been the harbor for the past...however long it's been. and the only reason i feel anything about this subject is because it never even needed to be changed in the first place, but whatever. it's changed and i can't really do anything about it. i'm sure i'll be able to cope.

Joshi
10-04-2003, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by Gabez
Taking life too seriously, eh? And this is a two page thread containing a heated argument concerning the name of another forum which is a sub-forum of another forum of a site called LucasForums which is about 0.00001% or the Internet, which is a moderately small part of our society, which is part of this planet, which is so infinitely small that it really doesn’t matter at all in the grand scheme of the universe, which is probably only one of an infinite amount of other parallel universes which alltogether makes up something that the human mind can't even comprehend.

Dude, put it into perspective. ;;
Oh, what the hell, everyone else is doing it, and I'm just writing the conclusion to a deep and meaningful 1000 word essay, so I need a break :D.

But this reminded me of a book i read recently, or at least a part of the book, infact, it's just a small segment. Meh, i'll just throw it in and let you interpret it.

'You know those games where this ball runs up and bounces around and ends up in a slot at the bottom?'
'Pinball machines?'
'Is that what they're called now?'
'I think so'
'Oh right.' The Alderman nodded. 'Wel... when you're bouncing around from pin to pin, it's probably very difficult to know that outside the game there's a room and outside the room there's a town, and outside the town, there's a country, and outside the country there's a world, and outsoide the world, there's a billion trillion stars and that' only the start of it... but it's there, d'you see? Once you know about it, you can stop worrying about the slot at the bottom. And you might bounce around a good deal longer.'

edlib
10-05-2003, 03:20 AM
Originally posted by Gabez
Taking life too seriously, eh? And this is a two page thread containing a heated argument concerning the name of another forum which is a sub-forum of another forum of a site called LucasForums which is about 0.00001% or the Internet, which is a moderately small part of our society, which is part of this planet, which is so infinitely small that it really doesn’t matter at all in the grand scheme of the universe, which is probably only one of an infinite amount of other parallel universes which alltogether makes up something that the human mind can't even comprehend.

Dude, put it into perspective. ;;
Then why care about ANYTHING that happens in life at all?
Certainly not a forum name being changed... or even spending the time, effort, or energy it takes to GET the forum name changed in the first place.

It's pretty obvious to all involved that the forum name change signifies SOMETHING,.. otherwise nobody would ever bother to do it.
What's not exactly clear is the message or the lesson we are all supposed to glean from this effort.

Zoom Rabbit
10-05-2003, 08:57 AM
Originally posted by C Shutt
Sure, I read it. And your point is? This has nothing to do with the admins, so "bringing it to their attention" is completely unnecessary.

And who are they supposed to talk to about retitling the forum, the Almighty (http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/grail/jpgs/god.jpg)? :dozey: Just once I'd like to see you explain (http://www.augustana.edu/alumni/giving/annualfund/teaching.gif) the administration's policies to the members without being utterly full of crap.

Groovy: Hmm. They are being a bit boorish (http://www.jimhancock.com/images/jpeg/friends/idiots.jpg), aren't they? ;) 'Thrik' it is!

:max: Everyone has upset me so thoroughly that I almost forgot my new title idea: 'Monkeyshines.' Hmph (http://www.english-zone.com/funny-pix/g-images/oldman.jpg).

Thrik
10-05-2003, 09:12 AM
... all this over a forum name change. Days and days of posts, spanning over multiple pages.

It really is sad.

Darth Groovy
10-05-2003, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by Thrik
... all this over a forum name change. Days and days of posts, spanning over multiple pages.

It really is sad.

:wstupid:

Yep, ya got my support on this one. WTF?

Ray Jones
10-05-2003, 02:12 PM
:rolleyes:

and still noone said hey.. yes.. as you may have noticed we changed this subforums name to 'life and how to live it' because we though it .. [nice cool story here] .. we hope you all come along with this change .. yadayadayada ..

naja. uncool in some way, not bothering though ..

edlib
10-05-2003, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by Thrik
... all this over a forum name change. Days and days of posts, spanning over multiple pages.

It really is sad.
Feel free to ignore this thread then.
Nobody's forcing you to read it.

By the way, your posting to it isn't making it any shorter...

Personally, I don't care what the forum is called. I'm just curious as to the "why?" of the whole thing. It's really not that much time out of my day to come here occasionally and see if anyone has bothered to enlighten us all.

Lemon Head
10-05-2003, 03:20 PM
Isn't it obvious?

The real reason the name was changed was to give you all more purpose and direction on these forums, and look how active it's made you.

It's all part of a master plan

Joshi
10-05-2003, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by RayJones
and still noone said hey.. yes.. as you may have noticed we changed this subforums name to 'life and how to live it' because we though it .. [nice cool story here] .. we hope you all come along with this change .. yadayadayada ..


Something that was fully intended right up until someone came along and decided to complain about it. Seriously, we simply didn't have time; it went straight from name change to complaint with hardly an hours notice. And please note a certain member may have seen the name change before the mods knew it had been don’t because it was the admins who did it. And this certain member may have decided that with no explanation present in the time of change to when the certain member logged on, we must be messing with you.

Now, we kind of see no point in an explanation, you all seem to be content in the fact that we did it to annoy you, so we'll just go with that now shall we?

Ray Jones
10-05-2003, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by Das Mole
life and how to live it?

and the description is a little too...descriptive....




:confused:

posted here (http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=113415)

although this might be not the form of a question concerning the name change i think it expresses somehow the notice of a name change and somehow could be seen as "hello new name of 'our' favorite forum.. now mateys.. what do you say?".. but it is no complain about anything.
and of course the question after a why etc. had to be asked.. but it took only a few crappy replies by some bunchies to turn it into on of those discussions that we all dislike so much. so just one had to show up, post the "correct" answer (what i said before) and the could have closed the thread because it would had fulfilled its purpose. but none of this happend. and this is crap again because now you are blaming us for the results and not the resposibles. :rolleyes:

i wish i could say
..
closed. all closed.

Joshi
10-05-2003, 06:17 PM
I'm not blaming you for the name change, in fact although I had no part in it, I take full responsibility because you all like someone to target youre abuse on so bring it on.

And I'm not blaming you or Mole for complaining, that was pretty much the mi community in general.
In fact, i'm not blaming you at all, the above statement by me was directed at everyone who likes to complain before they explain (I'm writing that on down) and before they've given us a chance to explain ourselves.

No, it's not your fault at all, you seem to be on our side about this, at least partly which I would say is very diplomatic of you. But a while ago, everyone hated us for closing a thread. Now we're hated for changing a name.

If I start a new interesting thread, will you all string me up by my thumbs, because it looks that way.

Das Mole
10-05-2003, 10:02 PM
i never complained about anything...i just came here and asked about the name change, and i guess it just happened to be before a mod got here to explain it or something. the only reason(s) i didn't wait was because:

1) i found it to be really weird and had to say something
2) the thought of someone coming to explain it of their own free will didn't cross my mind
3) even if i did think of that, it would've seemed completely absurd to me and i would've posted anyway.

as you can see, it was a lose-lose situation (?) either way. ...?



and even though people may have "hated" you for closing a thread, nobody's hating anybody now...we're just wondering. and the only thing that anybody that might have a clue about it has said was: "stop complaining", "who cares?" and/or "it's just a name change", "put it into perspective", "it doesn't matter", etc.

i don't know why nobody can just give an answer instead of dodging around the subject. and i think the only reason anybody is trying to divert our attention away from the topic is because nobody really had a reason for changing it to begin with.

... all this over a forum name change. Days and days of posts, spanning over multiple pages.

It really is sad.

what do you mean "all this"? it's not like any of us are blowing our heads off about this, we just want to know why...it's not that sad. what's sad is that you really felt the urge to come in here and make a post giving us information that was already obvious :dozey:

anyway...i'm just waiting for an answer as to why the name change even occured in the first place.

btw- rayjones, nice sig....

Thrik
10-05-2003, 11:20 PM
lolol

Ernil
10-06-2003, 03:02 AM
... all this over a forum name change.

"All this" meaning I spent 3 minutes typing at full speed requesting an answer to a question.

and even though people may have "hated" you for closing a thread, nobody's hating anybody now...we're just wondering. and the only thing that anybody that might have a clue about it has said was: "stop complaining", "who cares?" and/or "it's just a name change", "put it into perspective", "it doesn't matter", etc.


Hear Hear.


And I KNOW that a person that has the Monkey Island discussion in mind enough to change a name has scrolled across this page at least once, looked at the question, and (evidentially) said "Eh. They don't need to know." This is another reason why I keep asking my question. It makes me curious.

If someone comes up and says

"I did it. I was bored, and thought it would be fun" I would reply with...
"M'kay."

No anger. Nothing of the sort. Just a 16 year old curious boy with enlightment on his mind.

With Love,
Ernil

Joshi
10-06-2003, 09:17 AM
Fine, you want a clear and concise answer to why we changed the name?

Fine

Because we wanted to. That's it, no hidden agender or deeper meaning. We just changed it.

edlib
10-06-2003, 10:34 AM
No hard feelings Neil,.. but anyone who has even been casually following the recent history in and around the MI Discussion boards should have been able to predict the general reaction from the regulars concerning a forum name change with no warning/ explanation.

Ray Jones
10-06-2003, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by Neil Joshi
Fine, you want a clear and concise answer to why we changed the name?

Fine

Because we wanted to. That's it, no hidden agender or deeper meaning. We just changed it.

so you decided to change the name because you just want to..

okay..

but.. (:D) .. what's the idea behind the new name..? ..or is it because you just wanted to get rid of the old name, wrote down a few (internal) suggestions and then gave polly a cookie and order to PICK on of those.. ;) i mean this would be cool and if polly really was involved we would have our MI connect and the name would be totally acceptable just because of that!!
brraaaak!

:)

Gabez
10-06-2003, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by edlib
Then why care about ANYTHING that happens in life at all?Why indeed.

Joshi
10-06-2003, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by edlib
No hard feelings Neil,.. but anyone who has even been casually following the recent history in and around the MI Discussion boards should have been able to predict the general reaction from the regulars concerning a forum name change with no warning/ explanation.

Either you're suggesting that I hane not followed the recent history of the mi discussions, which is ridiculouse because I have eben a big part of it, or you are suggesting that I am foolish for changing the name because of the recent history.

Firstly, I would like to say that this is rich coming from someone who clearly has even read the previosu posts in this thread let alone a lot of the recent history of this place otherwise you would hyave rephrased you post a hell of a lot.

Secondly, I would like to point out that this entire discussion is somewhat of an enigma to me as to how it turned into this considering it started out as a thread to choose a name, hence community involvement. This suddenly turned into a huge argument about why it was changed in the first place. Please note, unless four men on horses come around the corner with flames and war cries, I'm pretty certain that nothing too drastic has happened here. I seem to notice that a few regulars around here have been trying to keep this thread going on the right track. Others, simply haven't, and turned it into this.

You said that no warning or explanation was issued here. I already exaplined why there was no explanation, but, hey ho, some people coundn't wait to start talking about it. What am I to do, come along and say 'Hey, by the way, we changed the name of the harbor' in the thread already expressing that, created by another forum member. Basically, Moles thread wasn't even a complaint, if anything, it was simply stating the fact that the name had changed. You were'nt told by some mod like me, you were told by Mole. Not much of a difference really.

Thirdly. I see nothing wrong with Life and How to Live it. No seriously, what's it meant to suggest? How is it bad? So it's not youre perfect choice for a forum name, especially in the monkey island discussions forum. fine, we appreciate that. how about a thread asking everyone what they would like- oh, no wait, we already tried that now didn't we? What would you suggest then?

Kjølen
10-06-2003, 09:43 PM
LEMON HEAD! I remember you! Hiya.

Ok I seriously liked the name, Years of friend history under "The Harbor" erased by a click of a button.

And to whomever saud it induces bad spelling. "harbor" is correct in America.
They could rename it "The Harbour" that be cool.

edlib
10-06-2003, 09:55 PM
Originally posted by Neil Joshi
Either you're suggesting that I hane not followed the recent history of the mi discussions, which is ridiculouse because I have eben a big part of it, or you are suggesting that I am foolish for changing the name because of the recent history.
No, I'm suggesting that the reaction over the sudden, unexpected name change really should have been fairly predictable knowing all the recent events, and that if you had just come out and said something like "Because we wanted to. That's it, no hidden agender or deeper meaning. We just changed it." a couple of days ago when it was first noticed in a thread it could have avoided a lot of confusion on everybody's part. Heck, just saying "We felt it was time for a change!" would have been enough. But the longer you waited to say anything, the louder the grumbling became, and the more people (myself included) began to read into the timing of the change and read meaning into the name chosen.
I was not aware a pre-existing drive by anyone to remove the "Harbor" name, so when it was changed I immediately suspected there was an important reason why somebody would want it done. I'm perfectly willing to accept "We wanted to clear the air and get a fresh, new start" as a perfectly valid reason,.. I just wish somebody had bothered to make it clearer, earlier.
But the longer you sit on it, the more people are going to read into it.
You also could have posted something like "Hey! There's a big change coming, and you'll know it when you see it! Stay tuned! ;) " a couple of days ahead might have alleviated some of the shock when it came.

Originally posted by Neil Joshi
Something that was fully intended right up until someone came along and decided to complain about it. Seriously, we simply didn't have time; it went straight from name change to complaint with hardly an hours notice. And please note a certain member may have seen the name change before the mods knew it had been don’t because it was the admins who did it. And this certain member may have decided that with no explanation present in the time of change to when the certain member logged on, we must be messing with you.
Now, we kind of see no point in an explanation, you all seem to be content in the fact that we did it to annoy you, so we'll just go with that now shall we?.
All the more reason to try to communicate your intent as soon as possible. Why does it really seem like so much effort to explain something as simple as a name change to someone who might be reading more into it than you ever intended?

I really think everyone here are fairly reasonable people, and I personally wish to apologize for jumping to any conclusions.

But we all still have a lot of work to do on that "communication" thing.

Ernil
10-07-2003, 02:23 AM
Like I said I would say if someone came out and told us why it happened.



M'kay.

Zoom Rabbit
10-07-2003, 08:43 AM
Q: Why did the chicken (http://www.manbottle.com/pictures/sexychick.jpg) cross the road?

A: The grass just seems greener (http://www.eden-happenings.com/images/hemp-b-1010013.jpg) over there.

(This is not nonrelevant commentary, but a metaphor which seeks to express what may well be the underlying cause of the Harbor's name change controversy--the sheer zen inscrutability of unrelated, random events. No one can predict the chicken's interest in greener grass any more than the semi bearing down fatefully upon it at ninety miles per hour; in the same way, the Harbor has been retitled without need for a reason or any more thought given to one than the trucker gives to poultry road safety. How's my driving? (http://www.trekconnection.com/wallpaper/pics/spock2_1024.jpg))

:max: How about this name--'Thrik's House of Razor Sharp Bee Pancakes.' Mmmm...they make their own honey!

Joshi
10-07-2003, 09:44 AM
Yeah, what ^he^ said, without the side commentary that totally ruined the joke/metaphore.

Darth Groovy
10-07-2003, 12:06 PM
Well since this thread accomplished nothing, and caused so many headaches... time to pull the plug.