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Remirol Nacnud
10-05-2003, 04:17 PM
When tavion is possessed by Ragnos, she/he uses a sword that is enfused with dark side power.

I wonder, is this what jedi used to battle with?

Do any SW trivia buffs out there know how long light sabres are supposed to have been used?

I just wonder if a sword like that was used by Ragnos in preference to a light sabre.

Igor_Cavkov
10-05-2003, 04:28 PM
wel in KOTOR you have light sabers and that is 4000years before SW:ANH!!! so i guess they were used a damn long time hehe kind of outdated weapon lol (JK)

ogre_h
10-05-2003, 04:35 PM
In the text RPG it says that there are Sith Swords Alchemicaly infused with the Dark Side of the force during their forging that can resist lightsabers. Basically its a non-energy lightsaber. They're made at the whim of a Dark Lord. Sometimes its because they don't have the resources for a lightsaber, and sometimes because they want something different.

I think its kinda cool that they try to tie in elements from all the SW Universe.

Valin
10-05-2003, 05:27 PM
Lightsabers have ben a part of the Jedi for at least 20,000 years, and during the Great Hyperspace War. however, primitive Lightsabers utilised a "frozen blastor" technology, and were nowhere near as efficient. most were single carved tubes of Deuranium Alloy, with one end sporting a crude crystal focussing aparatus, and the other end having a cable that connected to a belt mounted power pack.

oh - do NOT trust KotOR for anything. its completely apocryphal. for a good idea of what that time period was like, read the Tales of the Jedi comic series.

Tinny
10-05-2003, 07:21 PM
i remember exar kun when he betrayed his master, his master used the force to make his wooden staff deflect kun's newly built saber so there was a wooden staff vs. lightstaff duel :D

Igor_Cavkov
10-05-2003, 10:07 PM
hehe ddue dont laugh those old sith master were great and powerfull!! and not as foolished as Tavion and Derek and so on well i guess Palpatine was the last Great Sith! imagine the other ones that are buried on Korriban! there u have nightmare i can assure u!

Valin
10-05-2003, 10:49 PM
ive never been fond of the Sith. to me, they are nothing but generic power-mongering evil villains. but i have to give the older Sith Lords credit, most of them were downright ****ed up.
like Naga Sadow...

Fractal-Coffee
10-05-2003, 11:26 PM
Originally posted by Valin
i have to give the older Sith Lords credit, most of them were downright ****ed up

That's what makes them cool :)

All the power of the Dark side added to some truly disturbing mindsets equals loads of fun for the whole family.

Valin
10-06-2003, 01:43 AM
too a point, i guess. Marka Ragnos, Naga Sadow, and Ludo Kressh were beyond help - they were born into that life.

the newer sith lords, like Freedon Nadd, Satal and Aleema Keto, Exar Kun, Lord Kaan, and Darth Bane - all were idoctrinated some how. most were either unhappy with their lives and wanted something more, or were too ambitious for their own good. either way, the Dark Side was easy for them to fall into.

Sith Lords, trhrough history, have always ever been obsessed with one thing. Power. the need for more power.
:lsduel:

Tesla
10-06-2003, 02:16 AM
Well remember in JK2 when Luke said that Cortosis Armor resists Lightsabers ?

Well play KOTOR and the swords in that game are made of Cortosis, the same material used in the Shadowtroopers armor. ;)

Valin
10-06-2003, 02:57 AM
except that KotOR is completly apocryphal, and anything seen, or mentioned therein, cannot be taken as anywhere close to the truth.

Igor_Cavkov
10-06-2003, 12:42 PM
and why is that? i find KOTOR very good and intresting!

CrazyGreggy
10-06-2003, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by Igor_Cavkov
hehe ddue dont laugh those old sith master were great and powerfull!! and not as foolished as Tavion and Derek

Ah yes, the Great and Terrible Dark Lord Derek. Along with his equally Great and Awful Minions, Fred, Bert and Dave.

I assume you mean Jerek from Jedi Knight. I knew what you meant, but just the name Derek in the same sentence as sith master made me laugh. The only Derek I know is as overtly gay as you can get and the nicest bloke you could wish to meet. Just trying to imagine him in as a Sith Lord is the funniest mental image I've had in a long time.

Thanks for that :)

Remirol Nacnud
10-06-2003, 01:24 PM
And you've just given me an image of Bert and Ernie wielding light sabres. O.o

Somehow Bert comes out as the dark jedi(in my head).....

cayqel
10-06-2003, 10:16 PM
I knew what you meant, but just the name Derek in the same sentence as sith master made me laugh.

Sorry to mix universes, but this reminds me of how Tolkien was going to call Sarumon, the Dark Lord Jeffery. Not too scary.

Igor_Cavkov
10-06-2003, 10:44 PM
OFFTOPIC!!

SITH LORD
10-07-2003, 09:13 PM
Has anyone read "The Golden Age of the Sith" and "The Fall of the Sith Empire"? The jedi used lightsabers that required a secondary power pack, the sith lords used blades made out of pure crystal with VERY ornate hilts.

Since lightsabers require crystals to operate, perhaps the ancient jedi (light & dark--there were no sith during the ancient days of galactic civilization) made theirs the same way.

If you read between the lines, the technology of the sith had not changed since their forebears were cast from the republic.

Sith blades may have been primitive at the time of the Great Hyperspace War, but they were just as effective.

killabilly
10-07-2003, 09:43 PM
Just wondering... when was this Great Hyperspace War?

And yeah... in the comics they used to use these really cool biological-like lightsabers :p

Cosmos Jack
10-07-2003, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by Valin
except that KotOR is completly apocryphal, and anything seen, or mentioned therein, cannot be taken as anywhere close to the truth. Not to come in and burst anyone's bubble here. "Star Wars isn't real." They can change the history of the story any time they want. Sometimes when a game comes out it does just that. Look at the difference between the old trilogy and the new trilogy. There is allot of gaps all, because over time certain things sounded better and Lucas got new ideas.

I don't remember The Emperor being called Darth Sidious in the old trilogy. As I saw it Darth was Vader's 1st name not a title. They're many other things that is out of place. I might be wrong.

So KOTOR might just be the new status quo for the history of Star Wars. George Lucas is very particular about what's in the games. There is allot of issues taken into account by Lucas arts before the game is made. Everything in the game KOTOR was approved by Lucas arts. If they say it's in the story it's in the story.

"You must unlearn what you have learned"

Valin
10-08-2003, 04:24 AM
*sigh* Please...PLEASE...treat me like an intelligent human being, and not a drooling fanboy.
YES - StarWars is not real. thank you, captain obvious.


my point is this - KOTOR did not LOOk, or FEEL anything like the era it was supposed to protray. to a point, it looked as if 4000 years was five minutes - KOTOR looked a little too much like the movies we all know.
you cant have a movie that takes place in victorian england, yet therein, court nobles ride around in corvettes, and bakers use microwaves.
the storyline for KOTOR was fine - yet its proximity to the Sith War made it seem...tacked on. like a footnote that shoudve been a paragraph. you see?


oh - the great Hyperspace War took place 20,000 years before Ep1 - 5000 years after the creation of the Republic.

Cosmos Jack
10-08-2003, 08:49 AM
An the winner is? Nope not you sorry.:rolleyes:

Like I said before "drooling fan boy" "it's not real." lol:rolleyes:

Nope you can't have court nobles riding around in corvettes, and bakers using microwaves in Victorian England, because that is real history and it didn't happen.

In Star Wars you can have all that and so much more in any time frame you want. Why you might ask? It's not real and they can remake, change the history, and do it how they please.

I don't understand how people get so worked up and tied up in things that aren't real. It's fiction and entertainment nothing more.

Oh and it's not captain obvious it's Corporal Obvious. I worked when I was in the military thank you very much.:rolleyes:

Valin
10-08-2003, 02:16 PM
im wondering - if LucasArts OK'ed KotOR and, in that sense, its "part of the story" - then why does it look and feel so modern?
thats not a question you can answer - and obviously a question that LucasArts didnt consider.

that POINT was the hardest pill to swallow with the game.


no, im not the winner. im just a guy. i like StarWars. and i like to see thinsg make sense.
good for you if you dont.

Tsaya
10-08-2003, 02:50 PM
And i like to see things make sense

Most of us do. But let's be realistic: There is so much in EU there is no way it could all fit together. Even the official movies have scenes that don't fit at all (especially if comparing trilogy 1 to trilogy 2).
The truth is somewhere in the middle. KOTOR is looking modern to you? Fine, no one is forcing you to like it. But after all it's you thinking that it's modern. Maybe someone else feels differently.

And that's the reason why you can't just waltz in an call KOTOR apocryphal and ignore all the background it gives us. GL signed it so it's as official as all the other material.

Starfire13
10-08-2003, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by Cosmos Jack
Oh and it's not captain obvious it's Corporal Obvious. I worked when I was in the military thank you very much.:rolleyes:

Hehehe! :D
Your joke cracked me up. I was a Corporal too. :p

Cosmos Jack
10-08-2003, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by Valin
im wondering - if LucasArts OK'ed KotOR and, in that sense, its "part of the story" - then why does it look and feel so modern?
thats not a question you can answer - and obviously a question that LucasArts didnt consider. Yes I can I read that myself. Long before the game came out. Lucas calls allot of the shots about what goes in the games. I give Lucas credit. He puts his nose in a every aspect of the Star Wars universe. It's his baby. As he has gotten older he has had better ideas and he has made allot of the hole idea he started with make more since. Kind of like the transition from Ankin Starslayer to Luke Skywalker in the early story.
Originally posted by Valin
no, im not the winner. im just a guy. i like StarWars. and i like to see thinsg make sense.
good for you if you dont. [/B] The only thing that makes since with games and fictional stories is that they aren't real and they change at a any time. That's why you can't have a major in Star Wars history.

To be perfectly honest KOTOR is probably so modern feeling, because it is. They do that to keep all the people interested. If you took out all the things that makes star wars, star wars for histories sake. It wouldn't be the star wars everyone knows and fewer people would be interested in it.

Cosmos Jack
10-08-2003, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by Stafire13
Hehehe! :D
Your joke cracked me up. I was a Corporal too. :p Were you in the RAR and what unit? I trained with some Ausies in Hawaii.

Pedro The Hutt
10-08-2003, 03:40 PM
Question ofcourse is how old you can make something look, if the concept of hyperspace has been around for 20000 years, you could wonder how much more antique a ship of that era would look compared to the Milennium Falcon. Ofcourse, alot of aspects could've been improved, navicomputers, sublight capabilities like speed and manouvrability, deflector shields, laser strenght, and whatnot.

But that's just an example.

Valin
10-08-2003, 03:50 PM
in the furture - ill be sure to affix "IMHO" when i make direct statements. that way i can further avoid cracks at my psyche.

least its a duscussion, and not an argument.



There is so much in EU there is no way it could all fit together. Even the official movies have scenes that don't fit at all (especially if comparing trilogy 1 to trilogy 2).
The truth is somewhere in the middle. KOTOR is looking modern to you? Fine, no one is forcing you to like it. But after all it's you thinking that it's modern. Maybe someone else feels differently.

no kidding. the EU is filled with good stuff as well as bad stuff - and you have to deal with all of it.
KOTOR did look modern to me. and i never said i didnt like it. yes it is me thinkings its modern, as well as everyone ive conferred with about it (in my immediate area, and OL). im sure other people feel differently - obviously you do.

Yes I can I read that myself. Long before the game came out. Lucas calls allot of the shots about what goes in the games. I give Lucas credit. He puts his nose in a every aspect of the Star Wars universe. It's his baby. As he has gotten older he has had better ideas and he has made allot of the hole idea he started with make more since. Kind of like the transition from Ankin Starslayer to Luke Skywalker in the early story. good for George, im glad he cares. because for the longest time, i thought that he didnt.
alot of people i know hope he'll quash the EU. i hope he doesnt. but if he's got at least some of his influence in it, then he'll give it some mercy and let it be.
and then again, theres always the "Hierarchy of Canon" argument. however, im not qaulified to discuss. what i wouldnt give for Gabe in here right now. id could use the help.

The only thing that makes since with games and fictional stories is that they aren't real and they change at a any time. That's why you can't have a major in Star Wars history.

To be perfectly honest KOTOR is probably so modern feeling, because it is. They do that to keep all the people interested. If you took out all the things that makes star wars, star wars for histories sake. It wouldn't be the star wars everyone knows and fewer people would be interested in it.

because something is Fiction, and CAN change at will, doesnt mean it should or should be allowed too. having things make sense requires continuity. to have continuity, wild freedom of creativity has to be reigned in. anarchy in creativity doth not a stable setting make. at least agree with me on that.

with the modern feel of KOTOR, im sure they were going with it looking akin to the movies we all know. however, if thats what they wanted to do, then they really shouldve not placed it in the era they did. things change over 4000 years - nothing is constant. thats not fiction being fiction, thats Universal Law. imagine where we were 4000 years ago? 2000bc. hell, most of civilisation was primitive - only the Egyptians were really getting anywhere.


anyway. i think thats that.
lets hope arrogance does not show itself in the posts to follow.

sights0d
10-08-2003, 04:04 PM
Hate to do this, but I'm going to have to side with Captain Obvious... but I'll promote him to a Major.

The bottom line is that this is just like Star Trek. They did a fairly good job "retroing" Enterprise, but it is still obvious that it is newer from the tech that they have...

The bottom line is that I don't want to use a Saber that is made out of cardboard. I want a nice shiny saber. I don't want a gun that fires bullets in a game when I can just as easily head over to the rifle range. I don't want to spend a week in hyperspace when I don't have to. I'd rather just play my game and enjoy it regardless of when it is supposed to take place. Jeez.

I just want to slice stuff up!

Starfire13
10-08-2003, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by Cosmos Jack
Were you in the RAR and what unit? I trained with some Ausies in Hawaii.

Nope. I live in Australia now, but I'm from Singapore originally. I was in the Singapore Armed Forces (Armoured Corps).

Cosmos Jack
10-09-2003, 06:31 AM
Originally posted by Stafire13
Nope. I live in Australia now, but I'm from Singapore originally. I was in the Singapore Armed Forces (Armoured Corps). Singapore ahh nothing like a Caining and jail. ;) We should do that in the USA.

Here is something for our fanboy "Valin" You may already know this you may not........

This comes from this site a ways down threw all the dumb questions and answers...........
http://www.supershadow.com/archive/starwars1/54.html

Hey SuperShadow, in the new classic trilogy for 2017, will Lucas totally do a remake? Or use the old footage from the first trilogy and make additions? Iíve been really wondering about this, so please tell me. (SuperShadow: The 2017 remake will be completely new. Lucas plans to re-create the classic trilogy using only photo-realistic computer animation.)

Hi! I was wondering, when Lucas remakes the original trilogy, is Obi-Wan going to talk about Qui-Gon to Luke or whoever? That would be nice, showing that Obi-Wan remembered Qui-Gon. (SuperShadow: Yes, that is going to happen.)

Starfire13
10-09-2003, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by Cosmos Jack
Singapore ahh nothing like a Caining and jail. ;) We should do that in the USA.

Hehe. Funny that those are the two things people tend to think of. There are definitely more jails in US than in Singapore. ;)

Nevertheless, it's interesting that in a country where almost every male over 18 years of age is at least trained in the use of automatic assault rifles, that the crime-rate is so low. I can go for a walk at 3am almost anywhere in Singapore without having to worry about being mugged. :p

Anyway, back the topic :D

I was just reading "Dark Lords of the Sith" in my Uni library this evening, and saw the scene where Exar Kun duels with his master, with Kun using a 2 blue sabers and his master using a wooden staff.

Interesting how his master could deflect lightsabers with his staff, though when Exar Kun started using both sabers together, he broke through his master's defence and sliced his staff in two. So, it seems like deflecting sabers with objects needs a high amount of concentration. Perhaps it's like a highly localised form of force-protect being "cast" on the staff?

Actually, there are two force-powers in JA which no Jedi in the movies or in the EU has, and they are definitely the most powerful force-powers ever.
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Force-load and Force-save... :D

idontlikegeorge
10-09-2003, 08:48 PM
Originally posted by Stafire13
Hehe. Funny that those are the two things people tend to think of. There are definitely more jails in US than in Singapore. ;)

Nevertheless, it's interesting that in a country where almost every male over 18 years of age is at least trained in the use of automatic assault rifles, that the crime-rate is so low. I can go for a walk at 3am almost anywhere in Singapore without having to worry about being mugged. :p
I completely agree. Victim disarmament is not the way to solve violent crime. In many cases where single towns allow people to bear arms of their own will, there is no crime. This one small town, I think in Texas (lol of course), even has signs when you enter the town: "Our Citizens are Armed." :p

Anyway, back the topic :D
Yes, back to the topic.

I was just reading "Dark Lords of the Sith" in my Uni library this evening, and saw the scene where Exar Kun duels with his master, with Kun using a 2 blue sabers and his master using a wooden staff.

Interesting how his master could deflect lightsabers with his staff, though when Exar Kun started using both sabers together, he broke through his master's defence and sliced his staff in two. So, it seems like deflecting sabers with objects needs a high amount of concentration. Perhaps it's like a highly localised form of force-protect being "cast" on the staff?

Real interesting idea about the force protection cast on an object. Makes sense.

Actually, there are two force-powers in JA which no Jedi in the movies or in the EU has, and they are definitely the most powerful force-powers ever.
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Force-load and Force-save... :D

I concur. Force-load and Force-save crosses the bounderies of time and space itself! :lol: :xp:

Remirol Nacnud
10-09-2003, 09:19 PM
Dear god, what did I start?

Anyway, I haven't played KOTOR, but I have thought that the advancement of technology in the SW universe is a little......odd.

It seems at times that the technology completely stands still. Look at R2-D2 and C-3PO. At the very start of the first trilogy, C-3PO is something made from scrap by a poor slave in his spare time. And yet he, and droids just like him, are doing a lot of work years after episode 6.
The same goes for R2 units and R5 (I wonder what an R3 or 4 looks like?)

On the other hand ofcourse, we can look at the more advanced robotic technology. In episode 2 Anakin has his arm replaced with something that looks like it was made NOW(in our universe) let alone in a space travelling advanced galaxy.
But a mere generation later Luke gets a replacement limb that's just as good as a normal one. I'm looking forward to seeing what Anakins robotic arm looks like in Ep3.

Anyway, I think that the people in the SW galaxy have advanced so far that few advances in technology are possible.
someone used our world as an example, saying what we were like 4000 years ago. But that's the difference between no civilisation, and civilisation. That's not the difference between an already established civilisation, and that same one a few thousand years later.

Although, after hyperspace was invented I would have expected a huge surge in technology that would last for a few millenia(as everyone can build on an entire galaxy's worth of already established science and research)

Uh, I can't remember if I had a point. :)

Taran'atar
10-09-2003, 10:01 PM
I haven't played it, but I'm curious. How could KOTOR look "too modern"? This is a galactic civilization that's been around for some 20,000 years or more at the time of the first Star Wars movie. Would citizens of a 16,000+ year old interstellar empire still be wearing chainmail, and using horses and buggies as their main method of transportation?

Starfire13
10-09-2003, 10:08 PM
You can see what an R3 unit looks like in Episode IV. It's the one with a bad motivator that "blows its top". The droid you have to look for in the Sandcrawler is also an R3.

They were never as popular as the R2 units, so were never widely adopted. I can't remember about the R4s, but the R5s were the true successors to the R2s.

Valin
10-09-2003, 10:16 PM
Hey Jack!
Sycophants never prosper. have a nice day.

the "modern" look i mentioned was that it looked alot like the movies - even though there is an obvious time difference.

but those are just my niggles with the game. i beleive its apocryphal, but ::shrug:: whatever.

but KotOR was a good game though.

Cosmos Jack
10-10-2003, 12:16 AM
Originally posted by Valin
Hey Jack!
Sycophants never prosper. have a nice day.
I consider that a flame and I will respond thereupon. The following isn't a flame this is constructive criticism.

I sure hope that you didn't injure your eyes looking through the dictionary for an infrequently used word like "Sycophant." Just to make yourself sound more scintillating than me?:tsk:

There is nobody here important that I need to impress to stay alive in this thread. It was sunk from the minute you posted and began to argue rational ideas with me. I don't need to prevaricate with anyone here to get them to side with me. It's reason as simple as this. Truth is truth if don't like it oh well...I'm right and you're wrong live with it.

I have been flouted by better people for greater things than my opinion here. I think you have a long way to go before you register on my radar there guy. Trying to be ostentatious with your knowledge of words isn't helping you here "Dictionary Jedi, because the "Thesaurs Sith" is hard at work.. My typing may be bad, but I'm not that dumb.

"Unimpressive.... most unimpressive Obi-Wan didn't teach you sh!t. "Darth Cosmos-Jack" throws the "Webster's Dictionary" at "Padawan Valin" and Oh and have a nice day...
:wavey:

Valin
10-10-2003, 12:50 AM
Well, you responded differently then i figured you - which is good. i was expecting yet another snide throwoff, and be done with. im glad you consider 3 words a flame.

anyway - i was thinking to myself thusly...
there was a post talking about dark side powers being used by Jedi, and alot of people who post here threw in alot of varying opinons. i threw in some as well, i beleive.
there was even a thread talking about Lightsatff's and Jedi using them. same as above, i posted, others did too.

yet, i notcied no posts by you. none of this "Star Wars isnt real" or "Its just fiction, so who cares?" stuff. which i found odd.

i also notcied most of the people posting had many more posts then your measly 300+ (and my double digits). and so, i thought "maybe Jack doesnt get on their case because they have higher post counts then he does? or maybe its because he respects them more?"

so - i concluded this little episode herein was simple n00b bashing.
everything youve said is invalidated. thank you.

yes, im happy to be at this forum, and thanks for the dictionary, but i already have my own. :p

idontlikegeorge
10-10-2003, 01:03 AM
"I think you have a long way to go before you register on my radar there guy."

Oh, but just enough to make a long ass essay to him. :rolleyes:

Gotta love forum drama.

Oh yeah, looking at this thread, pretty much after the 5th, and perhaps 6th post, it's completely off topic to the specific question in the thread title... :whacked:

Cosmos Jack
10-10-2003, 01:12 AM
Originally posted by Valin
Well, you responded differently then i figured you - which is good. i was expecting yet another snide throwoff, and be done with. im glad you consider 3 words a flame. Not three words one word.

Originally posted by Valin
anyway - i was thinking to myself thusly...
there was a post talking about dark side powers being used by Jedi, and alot of people who post here threw in alot of varying opinons. i threw in some as well, i beleive.
there was even a thread talking about Lightsatff's and Jedi using them. same as above, i posted, others did too.

yet, i notcied no posts by you. none of this "Star Wars isnt real" or "Its just fiction, so who cares?" stuff. which i found odd. As far as that goes.... I thought I had most of the other people on my side like you said I did? I also do other things like work, watch TV, go to the mall, go to the park, and run. I also take a Martial arts class 3 days a week. Basically have a life... I don't waist my hole day here trying to come up with snide throw off remarks for Star Wars fan boy posters; however, if it makes you feel better to think I do have at it. Tonight happens to be a off night so you are lucky...
Originally posted by Valin
i also notcied most of the people posting had many more posts then your measly 300+ (and my double digits). and so, i thought "maybe Jack doesnt get on their case because they have higher post counts then he does? or maybe its because he respects them more?" Assumption is the mother of all F***ups... Most people who know me know I don't care about post counts. I don't respect 12 yr olds, because they have 1000+ posts more than me. So don't think your special if anyone posted on here and I had a apposing view they would know. If I cared enough.
Originally posted by Valin
so - i concluded this little episode herein was simple n00b bashing.
everything youve said is invalidated. thank you. I don't think you grasp NOOB bashing I really don't. I wouldn't bother arguing with you for entertainment alone. I honestly disagree with you and think you're full of it.
Originally posted by Valin
yes, im happy to be at this forum, and thanks for the dictionary, but i already have my own. :p I'm so glad you are happy to be on this forum. Really I am, but I wasn't throwing a dictionary at you so you could use it.:rolleyes:

Cosmos Jack
10-10-2003, 01:19 AM
Originally posted by idontlikegeorge
"I think you have a long way to go before you register on my radar there guy."

Oh, but just enough to make a long ass essay to him. :rolleyes:

Gotta love forum drama.Everyone needs to feel important even him. I did it for the little man. I don't think you have a grasp on why I posted what and I don't really care. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by idontlikegeorge
[Oh yeah, looking at this thread, pretty much after the 5th, and perhaps 6th post, it's completely off topic to the specific question in the thread title... :whacked: Aren't you accustomed to it by now?

Valin
10-10-2003, 02:38 AM
for alot of reasons, it really doesnt matter. i was never in the "flaming" stage, and so, it strikes me as odd you take one word (or three, or hundred) of mine to be a flame. dont flatter yourself, Jack. i have a life too.

anyway, yes the Topic got off Topic. so ill repeat the pertinent facts.

*Lightsabers have been around since just after the birth of the Jedi (and Sith) which was...about 20,000 years ago give or taek a decade.

*The Sith were fond of using swords which were bonded with cortosis weeve, and enhanced by both Dark Side energies and Sith Alchemy. (Marka Ragnos' Sceptor and Sword are perfect examples)


i think my work here is done. Thanks and enjoy the Veal.

Cosmos Jack
10-10-2003, 04:18 AM
Hmm don't flatter myself... hmm ahhh how odd no need to do that here it seems.:rolleyes: ... Anyway here is note from George Lucas for you...

"Mr. Valin hello this is George Lucas and I here you have a degree in Star Wars History? hmm yes well I decided to change it I mean everything. Why you might as? Well it's my idea right? Not your's, the comic book writers, or game designers.

I think your going to have allot of studying to do. I'm sorry you might think that nothing in it can change, but you're wrong. Why, because it's not real. I woke up this morning during my midlife crises and I was thinking to myself "I just couldn't live with it the way it is." Sorry man, "may the force bee ekk nope I don't like that saying anymore either.."

Hope you like my little joke there. I would be really pissed off myself if I was Lucas and all these fan boys were trying to tell me how to tell my story. Every thing in fiction is subject to change at any time. If you want to be a expert about it then you have to be on your toes or you'll get lost.

Such as originally Boba Fett died in ROTJ. George said so himself. He got talked into branging him back, because of the fans. Even though he really died as far as history was concerned. I think that might be why he made Jango's death scene a sure thing. There is no doubt there.

That's one example of star wars history changing at a whim. The games and books are examples as well.

Since you so decisively answered the topic question of the thread there really isn't any thing to discuses is there? I mean that the dates are right? They can't change or be different? Give or take a decade?

Starfire13
10-10-2003, 04:22 AM
Erm.. guys.. Settle down. Anger, that leads to the dark side, right? :p

Cosmos Jack
10-10-2003, 04:27 AM
Originally posted by Stafire13
Erm.. guys.. Settle down. Anger, that leads to the dark side, right? :p Better be careful there guy what you say I'm the evil noob basher Darth Cosmos Jack; however, it is to late for me my yung noob poster. The Darkside of the Forum is to powerful I must obay it. You too will learn the power of the Darkside.....:o

Valin
10-10-2003, 04:44 AM
::shrug:: im not sure why your still talking. i think youve repeated your message in at least five different ways.

if you have a life, go live it. unless it takes you five minutes to write a tirade like that, then i say knock yourself out. i spend more hours in my life then minutes i do here.

am i an expert on StarWars history? im not sure. i mean, new things are added so much that i cant keep track of it all. ya know? well of course you do.

*oh yeah, one last thing before i go...
If George Lucas ever woke up and changed ervything he's done - then i wouldnt begrugde him that. it is his setting after all. but i wouldnt want to be him as a lynch mob forms around his house.

Cosmos Jack
10-10-2003, 04:54 AM
Originally posted by Valin
::shrug:: im not sure why your still talking. i think youve repeated your message in at least five different ways. Yes I'm wondering how many times I have to say it before you get the idea that all the crap you're so fond of doesn't matter.

Originally posted by Valin
if you have a life, go live it. unless it takes you five minutes to write a tirade like that, then i say knock yourself out. i spend more hours in my life then minutes i do here. Actually it takes me 30 seconds to 1 minute.... I live my life on my nights off how I like thank you... Hmm 10 minuts? looks more like on and off 6 hour time span. Must be interested in what I have to say?

Originally posted by Valin
am i an expert on StarWars history? im not sure. i mean, new things are added so much that i cant keep track of it all. ya know? well of course you do. You mean there are things you don't know?:confused:

Originally posted by Valin
*oh yeah, one last thing before i go...
If George Lucas ever woke up and changed ervything he's done - then i wouldnt begrugde him that. it is his setting after all. but i wouldnt want to be him as a lynch mob forms around his house. Hmm ok sure whatever....

idontlikegeorge
10-10-2003, 04:59 AM
Blah blah blah blah blah.

I propose admins delete any post on this thread after the sixth post.

sights0d
10-10-2003, 05:02 AM
Originally posted by Cosmos Jack

Such as originally Boba Fett died in ROTJ. George said so himself. He got talked into branging him back, because of the fans. Even though he really died as far as history was concerned. I think that might be why he made Jango's death scene a sure thing. There is no doubt there.

That's one example of star wars history changing at a whim. The games and books are examples as well.


I would swear that I can remember discussing with friends as to whether or not BF had died and we agreed that it was really strange that he had just fallen into the Sarlac so easily and anti-climactically. We were pretty certain that GL had some kind of plan up his sleeve... otherwise, it was just bad writing and a wasted opportunity -before anyone says that it was just true to how life usually works, I'll remind that this is not real life, it's SW.

I completely agree that GL said he killed off BF, but I don't think it matters as long as in the future someone kills him anyway.

If GL really had purposefully meant to kill BF with no holes, he would have simply killed him the way the greatest SW villain was killed- Gallandro (from the Han Solo Trilogy)- 1000 lasers hitting him at the same time.

sights0d
10-10-2003, 05:04 AM
And while I'm at it... before we really analyze the movies and want to try to make it all make sense, just remember that in Andromeda, everything went decadent and the tech declined. Maybe that can solve that particular difficulty.

Cosmos Jack
10-10-2003, 05:37 AM
Originally posted by idontlikegeorge
Gotta love forum drama. Yep you do and thank you for your participation.

Originally posted by sights0d
I completely agree that GL said he killed off BF, but I don't think it matters as long as in the future someone kills him anyway. Yes it does matter, because that is the point I'm getting at. The link is at the bttom of the post where it says this. GL states that "Boba Fett died. That he didn't see anything exceptional about the character, and was surprised that so many people became fans of him."

If you think about it Boba Fett surviving the Sarlacc is as hard to believe as Jango Fett being in EP3.

It is a perfect example of SW time line really being meaningless. That everything from light sabers to the birth of the Jedi is subject to being edited like a post on a forum. No matter how many people have read it and quoted you on it. You can still go back and change what you wrote at any time.

Or you can beleave i'm a sycophant and that I'm lieing to you to get you to side with me. "sycophant" or slanderer, deceiver, parasite, false adviser... Basicaly the guy called me a lier and a parisite for haveing a defferance of a opinion and told me to have a nice day... If that's not a flame I don't know what is. :rolleyes: So you know I really don't care what I say to him now.

DL the first video file..............
http://www.bobafettfanclub.com/multimedia/video/index.shtml

Valin
10-10-2003, 12:27 PM
man, your warped.

sights0d
10-10-2003, 02:34 PM
Well... I've got to say that as a literature teacher, it doesn't really matter what the author intended. The truth is in the ear of the listener.

On the other hand, the word sychophant was used incorrectly, as it is supposed to mean that you are basically a "yes man" on everything.

On the other hand, you both have valid points. The problem is that you both want seperate things. One of you wants the SW timeline to mean something, the other is invested in the POV that it doesn't. I say it doesn't really matter so much as long as you enjoy SW.

Overall, I have to agree with Cosmos Jack, since I really hate the EU and the books because if you agree with what is written in them, Chewbacca's dead. If I agree with Cosmos Jack, it can all be rewritten and Chewie will be out there again:)

Valin
10-10-2003, 03:27 PM
because im such a fan of things making sense, then theres no use in me being a hypocrite - so, ill try and make the things i say make sense.

i happen to like the EU - why? because the movies really arent enough. they are good an' all, but more is good. sometimes the more we get is ****, but nothings perfect.

i also play the Pen Paper SW RPG. why? because its fun. i find enjoyment out of it. and i think thats all that really matters.

as well, i explained my usage of the term "Sycophant" - how someone is able to infer being called a "Lier" "Deceiver" and "Parasite" out of one word is beyond me - but i dont confess to be an expert on human psyche.
you know what they say Jack - Assumption is the mother of all ****-up's.

On the other hand, you both have valid points. The problem is that you both want seperate things. One of you wants the SW timeline to mean something, the other is invested in the POV that it doesn't. I say it doesn't really matter so much as long as you enjoy SW.

yes. very much so. i realise i was a little...overbearing in my declarations (in the first six post's area, not afterward). i conceded such.
however, im happy Jack doesnt give a **** and thinks im full of it. it is, after all, a free internet.

Yes I'm wondering how many times I have to say it before you get the idea that all the crap you're so fond of doesn't matter.

And the winner is...nope, not you either. :rolleyes:

you can say it as many times as you like. it doesnt mean i care. sometimes you have to realise that people dont agree with you, instead of just not understanding you. trying to beat it into their heads isnt gonna make them listen - it just makes them anrgy.


now, i think this has gone on long enough. im sure there will be a resonse by our fearless n00b basher, but the horse is dead and lieng over there. any post after this will be an attempt to beat said dead horse.

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Cosmos Jack
10-10-2003, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by sights0d
On the other hand, the word sychophant was used incorrectly, as it is supposed to mean that you are basically a "yes man" on everything. Ok lets see if that works with what he said. Hey Jack!
Yes men on everything never prosper. have a nice day. Nope doesn't make any sence I think he meant something else.
Originally posted by Valin
as well, i explained my usage of the term "Sycophant" - how someone is able to infer being called a "Lier" "Deceiver" and "Parasite" out of one word is beyond me - but i dont confess to be an expert on human psyche.
you know what they say Jack - Assumption is the mother of all ****-up's. Hmm lets see... Originally posted by Valin
Hey Jack!
Sycophants never prosper. have a nice day. There really is no room for assumption here with the way the word is used. Hmm you think I'm warped? Next time look a ward up before you use it to insult someone. Maybe that should have been my response to you in the first place. I should have assumed you are ignorant of what you're saying given what you post. I guess that must have been the word of the day in you junior high class or something. They didn't tell you the full range of meanings. I forgive you......Originally posted by Valin
yes. very much so. i realise i was a little...overbearing in my declarations (in the first six post's area, not afterward). i conceded such.
however, im happy Jack doesnt give a **** and thinks im full of it. it is, after all, a free internet. Yep pretty much you hit that one on the head. After you stated insulting because I made my little statement. I lost all respect for you and it's open season.
Originally posted by Valin
And the winner is...nope, not you either. :rolleyes: And you think it's you?
Originally posted by Valin
you can say it as many times as you like. it doesnt mean i care. sometimes you have to realise that people dont agree with you, instead of just not understanding you. trying to beat it into their heads isnt gonna make them listen - it just makes them anrgy. Do you listen to your own advise or do you have trouble with the context of the words? Maybe you should have thought about making someone angry before you started posting pop offs at me like "captain obvious?" I never came in the thread to start a fight hell I didn't even intend to come back to it at all. Either way you had to go and insult me. Yep you are a noob maybe you should start thinking on what to say to someone, because they might take it as a insult or a attack. Unless that was your intension. Be angry I really don't care.
Originally posted by Valin
now, i think this has gone on long enough. im sure there will be a resonse by our fearless n00b basher, but the horse is dead and lieng over there. any post after this will be an attempt to beat said dead horse.

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LOL you're not a moderator yet kid. I like how you start a fight and run away. Reminds me of the kids in school that get up enough courage to punch the bully in the nose then realize what they have done. Except in this case trying to talk your way out of things and confuse people. Basically being a sycophant you're vary good at it... THE END is whenever it is. Someone might actually come in here with something more legitimate to say then our comments to one and other.

Originally posted by Valin
man, your warped.
Yep something more legitimate. You trully are better than me.

Valin
10-10-2003, 04:59 PM
is there any Blood coming outta that Stone Jack?

think on that one, because ive got class to run too...

Cosmos Jack
10-10-2003, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by Valin
is there any Blood coming outta that Stone Jack?

think on that one, because ive got class to run too... Well I hope you don't run and fall. Seeing how your setting here waiting for my responses. The monitor hasn't blinded you yet? It's so easy to get you right back out on the thread even if to make your little comment... Either way I thought you said I was over? THE END? Think on that one.....
Originally posted by Valin
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Well I will help you since you are not strong enough to pull yourself away from the screen. I promise I won't post anything after this in response to your little comments no matter what... I will be the better man and call it over.;) Feel free to call it if you want after this or make any statemnt you want. Wonte her a peep out of me...

Valin
10-10-2003, 06:47 PM
Good.

now that thats over - anybody have anything pertinent to say?

Astrotoy7
10-11-2003, 06:39 AM
Dear god, what did I start?

Yeah, this poor guy asked an innocent EU question, and look what has resulted,

Firstly a "what is EU/canon" and "George Lucas said..." type banter, then creeping towards personal insults between certain upset posters, which upsets all the other posters......

There is an EU thread, for all eager beavers,
http://www.lucasforums.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=442

there are stress balls, and women, and aquariums to calm your moods... make use of them soldier !

As for me, I love EU. I really dont go much farther than the novels, some comix for what is 'canon'(The C word) I am *really* looking forward to KOTOR as I admire BioWare and love NWN and Star Wars. I will just have to make up my own mind as to how right it feels when I am lucky enough to play it ! I think it was GREAT from Lucasarts from the beginning to acknowlegde this part of EU and make a game from it to begin with(which is unprecedented in SW gaming if you think about it)

Hope you've all calmed down, now get back to JA and have FUN !!

MTFBWYA