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Sgt. Antronch
10-14-2003, 09:35 PM
Note this is not a request so don't move it, these are my opinions and i want to see if others agree with me on balancing force powers, I'll just post about the dark side powers for now and later have my ideas on light and possibly the nuetral ones. now on to the main post.

First of all GRIP is the best laming move i've seen and i hate laming where they pick you up turn you and drop you in a hole before you can say WTF? My balance idea: make grip at level one simply imobilize our foes for 5 seconds so they can't move/attack/force except for anti grip things like push/absorb at level 2 hold them for longer and do damage to them, and at level 3, you can lift them, and do lots of damage but you can't move them from side to side or "throw" them because, when did vader do that? he just sufocated them where they stood that's my idea for grip.

Lightning is acually weaker than it should be, it does massive damage yes, but it takes up all your force in almost no time, and makes you vunerable to attack from all sides even if you zap your enemy and they keep coming, MY balance idea: ethir make it use less force, and/or add a knockback feature at level 3 like in SP because if you send 1000 volts into a stormtrooper, he's gonna fly.

DRAIN is an extremley useful power, but uses up so much of the users force for so little hp unless you drain multiple targts, it seems balanced as is.

RAGE is an amazing power increasing speed, attack speed, and attack power. but it uses up your hp so fast at level 3 that it's almost not worth using, MY balance idea: make it damage you slower.

Sgt. Antronch
10-14-2003, 09:44 PM
LIGHT SIDE

HEAL is the most used lightside ability, unfortunatley, at even the high levels the force used to hp gained ratio is still very low and in the earlier levels, you may as well forget using it. My balance idea: ethir make it cost alot less force, or give you more hp per use.

ABSORB Is just too powerful it makes ANY force used directly on you ineffective, AND gives you force back if it is used on you. but it is not completley unbalanced because it uses up force quickly and can go out at very inouportune times. my idea is make it give you no force back, or make it so it doesn't deplete your force pool just keep you from regening after the use like in SP

PROTECT is too weak as is, as it uses force like absorb, but absorbs too little damage, my idea for balance: make it use force power like in sp and/or make it absorb more damage like at the higher levels absorb about 90% instead of 75%.

Mind trick is a good power, but only lasts for a short time and you can't attack like that or mind trick will sstop working. My balance idea: make it last much longer and/or at level 3 allow you to attack a limited number of times (1-3?) before it will fail If you haven't hit the timelimit yet.

And there is my post on lightside what do ya all think?

Sgt. Antronch
10-14-2003, 09:46 PM
By the way feel free to post your own ideas on force power balance

g//plaZma
10-14-2003, 09:50 PM
Originally posted by Sgt. Antronch
First of all GRIP is the best laming move i've seen and i hate laming where they pick you up turn you and drop you in a hole before you can say WTF? My balance idea: make grip at level one simply imobilize our foes for 5 seconds so they can't move/attack/force except for anti grip things like push/absorb at level 2 hold them for longer and do damage to them, and at level 3, you can lift them, and do lots of damage but you can't move them from side to side or "throw" them because, when did vader do that? he just sufocated them where they stood that's my idea for grip.

Thanks for the laugh.

Do you have to say "WTF" every time someone grips you? Push/pull would be a better option. If you're not able to do that, sorry but you need better reflexes.

Your argument about Vader not doing that isn't valid since when did Vader capture flags? When did Vader use guns? When did Vader do anything that remotely resembles online gaming?

Sgt. Antronch
10-14-2003, 09:59 PM
Originally posted by g//plaZma
Thanks for the laugh.



Your argument about Vader not doing that isn't valid since when did Vader capture flags? When did Vader use guns? When did Vader do anything that remotely resembles online gaming?
I was using vader as the only time we've seen grip used in the star wars movies and thi IS A STAR WARS GAME. But sometimes you arn't facing the person that is gripping you, and then you are easily thrown to your doom by the time you are turned towards him automatically.

I am the Boo
10-14-2003, 10:12 PM
this has been a complaing since JK1, and it won't change...it's a dark side power that always will be :)

Really you have in almost every case at least 1 second to react, which is more than enough time.


Test your reflexes here:

http://www.happyhub.com/network/reflex/

My times range from .16 to .24 seconds...that gives me at least .75 of a second to get away after I've noticed it. I know guys who's average score on that test is .13....skery.

Doesn't sound like a lot of time, but it really is for in game stuff.

Absorb btw doesn't protect you against push and pull, which is moderately good and bad. on one hand I believe it should protect you from all force powers, but on the other hand, push and pull are too powerful IMHO.

g//plaZma
10-14-2003, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by Sgt. Antronch
I was using vader as the only time we've seen grip used in the star wars movies and thi IS A STAR WARS GAME. But sometimes you arn't facing the person that is gripping you, and then you are easily thrown to your doom by the time you are turned towards him automatically.

This isn't based off of the movies. If you're not facing the person gripping you, turning helps. If you don't turn fast enough, you're screwed, aren't you? Same with if someone swings their saber at you from behind you. If you don't backslash/stab quick enough, you're screwed.

Sgt. Antronch
10-14-2003, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by g//plaZma
This isn't based off of the movies. If you're not facing the person gripping you, turning helps. If you don't turn fast enough, you're screwed, aren't you? Same with if someone swings their saber at you from behind you. If you don't backslash/stab quick enough, you're screwed.
Well when i'm being held up in the air by grip, i can't turn my charaacter

CaptainJackZ
10-14-2003, 10:32 PM
I looked at this post and started to laugh. All I need to say is this.

Sarge, They don't make games exactly the same as the movie, or it wouldn't be fun. I agree with plaz, get faster reflexes. Wahhh someone is gripping me! I need to complain because I'm not fast enough to counter it!!! Wahhhhhhh!!!

Please Even bots can counter grip. Are u trying to say you're worse than a bot?

:rolleyes:

Sgt. Antronch
10-14-2003, 10:35 PM
Originally posted by CaptainJackZ
I looked at this post and started to laugh. All I need to say is this.

Sarge, you're a moron. They don't make games exactly the same as the movie, or it wouldn't be fun. I agree with plaz, get faster reflexes. Wahhh someone is gripping me! I need to complain because I'm not fast enough to counter it!!! Wahhhhhhh!!!

Please Even bots can counter grip. Are u trying to say you're worse than a bot?

:rolleyes:

Hmmm have you forgotten your medication again?

If you don't agree with what i've said about a force power than say so, no need for senseless flames, and it isn't all about grip these are only my opinions on what force powers could be changed for better balance if you don't agree with me say that you don't agree then you can keep your mouth shut because flaming people only makes you look stupid

Kurgan
10-15-2003, 01:20 AM
Vader isn't the only character to use 'Grip' in the movies, Luke uses it on two Gammorean guards in ROTJ.

But generally, Grip is a Dark Side Power. In Star Wars, the Dark Side is used by the BAD GUYS.

Why would the BAD GUYS, the villians, etc want to give you a fair chance?

Answer, they don't, they won't, they wouldn't!

The villian is the guy who fights dirty all the time and stabs the hero in the back when he's not ready! He's the guy who stomps on the hero's fingers instead of helping him up when he's on the edge of the cliff!

The villian is the guy who lets his thugs to the dirty work for him and makes the sneaky get-away and says how he'll be back and have revenge!


Sheesh, don't you people follow comic books/cartoons/cheesy movies?

It's totally IN-character when you get right down to it.

Syzerian
10-15-2003, 01:49 AM
i would think all force powers r balanced in JA but i think lightning should be able to be blocked like in JO
i cant see how u want lightning too be stronger its strong enough as it is since it cant be blocked only by absorb if it was stronger all the lamers and noobs everywhere would use it in multi and they could kill u just by pressing 1 button which meens alot of complaints

g//plaZma
10-15-2003, 01:56 AM
Originally posted by Syzerian
i would think all force powers r balanced in JA but i think lightning should be able to be blocked like in JO
i cant see how u want lightning too be stronger its strong enough as it is since it cant be blocked only by absorb if it was stronger all the lamers and noobs everywhere would use it in multi and they could kill u just by pressing 1 button which meens alot of complaints

If they can kill you with one button, that says something about your skill doesn't it? Drain is an easy solution to lightning-happy-whores. While they are wasting their force on lightning, you're sucking up their force to deplete it further while taking the health you're losing back, leaving them with no more mana. For lightsiders, absorb is an easy solution. If they hit you with the lightning before you turn absorb on, you can heal with the force you get back.

Iblis Reborn
10-15-2003, 04:48 AM
the only force power i find cheap is heal
theres no way you can get a decent heal from it
drain is much better, it heals you and takes away their force pool

i dont play light side but i feel for them :)

grip i find is annoying when they grab you and swing you around like mad so you cant push away...but its a part of the game and i dont want it to be taken out (gives me a reason to lightning whore them :P)

aside from the heal like i said i find everything pretty ballanced
im used to playing lightside so i miss absorb but dark side is more fun :D

AJL
10-15-2003, 05:08 AM
1. Force Heal

I think it should be always like it is in single player level 1
(you have to close you saber and bow down to meditate
and healing shouldn't be immediate but just like in SP...)

Speed and cost of healing should be something like 10hp
per second and 5fp per 10hp... (level 3)

2. Dark Heal (Drain)

I think it shouldn't be ranged attack at all... but it should
be like in SP when it is done from very close... (= hold the
enemy with one hand and drain his life force with other..)

3. Lightning

It should be a lot more powerfull... Any level should knock
down and push away the enemy immediately if it hits...

But lightsaber should be able to block the lightning very
easily (EP2 Obi) and guys with Absorb should be able to
catch and absorb or reflect the attack (EP2 Yoda) and
guys with lightning should be able to reflect the attack
(EP2 Tyrannus)

4. Rage

It shouldn't allow you to take any more damage (it is not
defencive power) But it should make you move and attack
bit faster and add a lot more power to your attacks...

5. Saber skills...

Saber staff or two sabers shouldn't be equal to one saber
but they shouldn't be FREE either...

Saber skills should be changed so that first level allows you
to use all three saber styles (blue, yellow, red) but without
any special moves, Second saber level should add in those
special moves plus some extra power to all attacks...

Third level shouldn't increase your power or add any new
single saber styles but it should allow you to use staff or
two sabers (you should still be able to use all three styles
and make all special moves with single saber/blade...)

And maybe using staff/dual should also set limits to other
powers as well... (so player must choose either fencer or
force master...)

FK | unnamed
10-15-2003, 05:26 AM
Originally posted by Sgt. Antronch
Well when i'm being held up in the air by grip, i can't turn my charaacter

enable mouse look and move the mouse around, works fine for me.

Sgt. Antronch
10-15-2003, 05:56 AM
Originally posted by FK | unnamed
enable mouse look and move the mouse around, works fine for me.

i do, maybie it's because they are swining me around at 40rpm

IG-64
10-15-2003, 05:57 AM
Please Even bots can counter grip. Are u trying to say you're worse than a bot?

actually, uh, bots force push automatically...:Prplgh:

Prime
10-15-2003, 01:47 PM
Frankly, I find the powers are more or less fine as they are. There appears to be a counter for everything, so what's the problem?

boinga1
10-15-2003, 02:27 PM
I like the powers the way they are.

There are so many Grip counters- push/pull/absorb that there is no need to change it. Lightning is fine (make it cost any less and why would anyone use any other power?), Drain is...almost...ok...but I can live with it. I haven't seen a lot of Ragers, so I can't comment on Rage.

Heal does kinda stink, but I don't mind. I haven't seen too much Mind Trick or Protect. I would like to have t like in JO where Absorb was invisible except when someone attacked you. Back then someone might actually attack you when you had it on- now, you would attack you with Force?

But, it's really no big deal.

Luc Solar
10-15-2003, 03:25 PM
at level 3, you can lift them, and do lots of damage but you can't move them from side to side or "throw" them because, when did vader do that

Why would you want to LIFT someone if you can't move them? You want to drop them down from 3 metres once grip ends? Ouch... :rolleyes:

Want a grip that does a lot of damage? What's the use? You can't move them, so they'll break the grip in a second with push/pull or simply flick on absorb. That means no damage. That means the move is totally useless.

Perhaps you should think about your suggestions a little more and try to understand that there is no such thing as "laming".

If you feel you've just been "lamed", think again. Perhaps you're just frustrated because people kill you and you die? Perhaps you should simply learn to counter perfectly legit moves instead of labeling everything that kills you "laming"? That way we'll all have more fun.

GreenSmoke
10-15-2003, 03:37 PM
you guys are just lucky that there's no such thing as grip-kick any more don't complain about grip, my reflexes are sh1t (according to that link posted above) but even i can get out almost every time

Sgt. Antronch
10-15-2003, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by Luc Solar
Why would you want to LIFT someone if you can't move them? You want to drop them down from 3 metres once grip ends? Ouch... :rolleyes:

Want a grip that does a lot of damage? What's the use? You can't move them, so they'll break the grip in a second with push/pull or simply flick on absorb. That means no damage. That means the move is totally useless.

Perhaps you should think about your suggestions a little more and try to understand that there is no such thing as "laming".

If you feel you've just been "lamed", think again. Perhaps you're just frustrated because people kill you and you die? Perhaps you should simply learn to counter perfectly legit moves instead of labeling everything that kills you "laming"? That way we'll all have more fun.
No such thing as lame? now 2 things, first of all that is A MATTER OF OPINION 2nd saying that on some servers will get you banned

And in a parting note, opinions are like anuses, your own never stinks but everyone elses does :p :p :p :p :p :p

Master William
10-15-2003, 05:35 PM
Instead of complaining, just use Absorb. It helps me against dark siders. Healing is good with forceregen set at 0.

Also, I think they should add new force powers, this is a new game after all :mad:

Iblis Reborn
10-15-2003, 06:22 PM
force regen set to 0 would no be good IMO
you need to have a point where you have to stop doing what your doing
it would just be cheap as hell

and to the ppl who think lightning is too weak, have you seen how much dammage do?

i feel really cheap if i use too much lightning

Prime
10-15-2003, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by Master William
with forceregen set at 0. What a spam fest that would be...

Kurgan
10-15-2003, 08:17 PM
Well very soon if you want to you'll be able to make a mod with how you think the Force powers should be "balanced" and you can let your peers decide if it's worth playing.

Personally I think the Forces feel "fine" as they are. Yes, Force Regen 0 will just lead to more "spammage" and more whines IMO.

Using higher saberdamagescale will negate the usefulness of drain/heal "spamming" though.

AJL
10-16-2003, 06:09 AM
Originally posted by Iblis Reborn
and to the ppl who think lightning is too weak, have you seen how much dammage do?

It IS too weak... And it IS too powerfull = Its effect is too
weak when you get hit but hitting with it is too easy...

Prime
10-16-2003, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by Kurgan
Using higher saberdamagescale will negate the usefulness of drain/heal "spamming" though. That's an idea I can get behind...

KaiaSowapit
10-16-2003, 03:19 PM
Vader isn't the only character to use 'Grip' in the movies, Luke uses it on two Gammorean guards in ROTJ.

Okay, I'll take one for the team and be a total fan-boy nerd on this one. According to rumor (so take it for what it's worth), when questioned about Luke using a "Dark Side" power in this scenario, George Lucas responded that in fact it was really just a "Mind Trick" - Luke fooled the guards into believing they were choking.

No such thing as lame? now 2 things, first of all that is A MATTER OF OPINION 2nd saying that on some servers will get you banned

There's no such thing as "laming" on my server & you're more likely to get banned for whining about it than anything else. ;)

Kurgan
10-16-2003, 03:52 PM
Okay, I'll take one for the team and be a total fan-boy nerd on this one. According to rumor (so take it for what it's worth), when questioned about Luke using a "Dark Side" power in this scenario, George Lucas responded that in fact it was really just a "Mind Trick" - Luke fooled the guards into believing they were choking.

Maybe Luke telepathically beamed a showing of "the Star Wars Holiday Special" into their heads, causing them to choke themselves into unconsciousness to escape the sheer agony?

Thazac
10-16-2003, 04:03 PM
I don't have the game yet (I'll get it tomorrow!) but I played it at a friend earlier today. As far as I can see it no powers are cheap.
Heal heals too little to be cheap.
Absorb is usually too obvious to be cheap.
Drain and Lightning are too easily countered to be cheap.
Grip is easily countered by absorb. Most people move you at 60 rpm so pushing is not a very effective option. This is the "cheapest" force, but not "cheap".
Rage drains health and it is easy to avoid ragers until the rage runs out. Then move in for the kill... Moral: It is not cheap.
Protect protects too little to be cheap.

Moral: Nothing is really cheap. There is a good counter for eveything with the best one being drain. After all, preventing is better than curing, isn't it?
BTW can you engage in a "melee drain" in MP? I never tried...

KaiaSowapit
10-16-2003, 04:15 PM
Maybe Luke telepathically beamed a showing of "the Star Wars Holiday Special" into their heads, causing them to choke themselves into unconsciousness to escape the sheer agony?

LOL. Could be... either that or Episode I (Jar Jar? 'Nuff said!) ;)

Back on topic... Force power balanced? Nope. They're still fun, even if most of them don't bear the slightest resemblance to anything in the movies.

CaptainJackZ
10-16-2003, 05:16 PM
meh. I always hated the little kid more than Jar Jar. The little **** looks like he's 5. "Are you an angel?" I wanted to throw up at that point.

Sgt. Antronch
10-16-2003, 05:50 PM
There's no such thing as "laming" on my server & you're more likely to get banned for whining about it than anything else. ;)

Yes i know there are some like that but i have ASE and have played on nearly ALL the servers by now, so let me tell you you are in the MINORITY

Luc Solar
10-16-2003, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by Sgt. Antronch
No such thing as lame? now 2 things, first of all that is A MATTER OF OPINION

Exactly. It's a matter of opinion. Just like "what is the prettyest colour?".

So is there one colour that everyone agrees is more pretty than any other colour? No? Exactly. :)

2nd saying that on some servers will get you banned

Which would be exactly why even the most immature player out there should try to understand, that they simply can't log on to a server and demand everyone else to use "red skins only" because "red is the bestest and prettyest colour of all and all other colours are lame".

Likewise all you admins out there might want to rethink what you're doing. Are you being the good guy or an immature prick? Are you insulting, kicking and banning people from your server because they weren't dressed in red, but some lame noob-ass colour? Will you totally flip out if someone dares to imply that red is not the prettyest colour?

FK | unnamed
10-16-2003, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by Sgt. Antronch
Yes i know there are some like that but i have ASE and have played on nearly ALL the servers by now, so let me tell you you are in the MINORITY

The same could be said for the Germans who did not support Hitler in W.W. II

Luc Solar
10-16-2003, 06:32 PM
Originally posted by Sgt. Antronch
but i have ASE and have played on nearly ALL the servers by now, so let me tell you you are in the MINORITY

And this is because the whole world thinks red is the prettyest colour of all or because immature pricks are running around servers 24/7 insulting people and trying to kick them from he server if they dare to use anything but red skins?

Think about it.

Doctor Shaft
10-16-2003, 10:28 PM
For the most part, the Force powers are... well... they're okay.

For one thing, the system is a little too 'simplistic' for my tastes.

Everything has a counter... blah blah. In the end, it works, although I still feel that Force Drain is the bane of JO/JA, and will remain so forever.

First, you can't nerf it too much or it has no purpose. But then, the way it is now, it's overly useful if every offensive tool available to you only does 15-25 damage a hit.

Scaling the saber damage way up is generally the ultimate solution to 'balancing' the force powers. That way, you can make the Force powers powerful, like lightning, grip, etc.... but so long as everyon'es poke stick does tremendous damage, we all can sleep better knowing that someone is going to die sooner or later.

In terms of laming, yes... a majority of servers believe in that bastardly word "Lame". This is because a majority of players are still young teenagers that haven't quite figured out how to keep their heads cool and accept defeat. What can I say? Some people just can't stand being defeated. Lame is basically another word for "EGO", or "INFLATED HEAD" -- the person crying the term of course.

Grip being too powerful, while a popular phrase, is also one filled with error. A majority of players who have decent mouse reflexes, or any reflexes at all for that matter, have been able to counter Grip in less than a second. The only time grip becomes super formidable is when another person using grip either has awesome reflexes, or has an awesome script to do the reflexing for them. But then again, even then... it's not so bad. Only on that stupid NS-streets map in JO was grip even somewhat ultra powerful.

Kidso
10-16-2003, 11:54 PM
There is nothing wrong with the Force Powers the way they are. They are balanced perfectly so that it should require skill to use them effectively. Examples being lightning, anyone with half a brain can defend against a lightning whore, flick on absorb or like somone else said, drain there ass, hey whatever works! I personnaly am a light sider so I got with heal and absorb. Grip can also be easily countered by absorb, flick it on before they get chance to throw you over a cliff. I use push when im not near a cliff.

Sgt. Antronch
10-17-2003, 12:15 AM
I'm not saying being killed is being lamed, but there IS such a thing as laming, like when someone asks a question of a player he tries to answer that question and is killed with his chatbox up, killing unfairly is laming, BUT most people loose their heads at the slightest thing which ISN'T laming and some people think anything to do with balance and trying to stop being killed unfairly is a whiner even if he tries to point things out clearly and simply for even the most ignorant too see but in some cases (like these) the ignorant people don't want to listen to what he says and labels him as whiner.

and BTW ignorant is lack of information, stupid is the refusal of information and therefore an inuslt and I would use the word stupid to be truthful but I felt that an admin might take it as flaming, though truth it may be

KaiaSowapit
10-17-2003, 03:09 AM
Originally posted by Sgt. Antronch
...there IS such a thing as laming, like when someone asks a question of a player he tries to answer that question and is killed with his chatbox up, killing unfairly is laming...
That's subjective; a matter of opinion rather than fact.

I'm not trying to argue that chat-killing is clever, noble or admirable, nevertheless we're talking about a game, not a chat room. Chatting is optional, not mandatory.

In reference to your example, I'd have to ask myself where my priorities lie - to play the game or answer someone's question.

If I decide to chat, then I accept the risk that my "virtual Jedi" might get clobbered whilst I type.

Qaz
10-17-2003, 03:38 AM
"Laming" is an excuse for pathetic players or Role Playing idiots who should go play starwar's galaxies or make their own servers not being able to win.

Scenario.

i am playing in FFA
no rules, no voting :)
RP idiot joins. Challanges me to duel cause i got hte highest score. I accept. He turns of his lightsaber and does 10 different taunts and useless movements. I slaughter him with a twirl. He screams lamer and tries to go after me for the entire game. Everytime i meat him he starts chatting and saying "prepare to die.. bla bal bla...". I don't waste time and frag him in a variety of ways. He screams that this server sucks and i suck and voting must be enabled and i am a lamer bla bal bla bla bal. I reply that this server is fair with no rules, everyone does whatever they want to win besides cheating with actual hacks and 3rd party programs. He says "F*** you" and leaves.


You are most likely one of these people if you complain about force powers. All people who want RP style gameplay should eighter go to another game or make a mod to play in whatever way they want. Please go and do so or die.

Shakey Mac
10-17-2003, 04:22 AM
i personally think all are balanced as a whole, with some being weak, and some being strong. but it all balanced out over the two sides in the end.

my only real issues have ever been with grip. the "pick up and drop off edge" combo killed me numerous times and i grew to hate it....

but that was when i had my 56k. now that im cable loaded, ive been owning. no grip has killed me yet.

moral: more lag = more likely youll hate grip+drop off edge.
less lag = better reaction time to grip, thus defeating its power.

so, in the end, all are good on any connection, save for high-ping ones. on a high ping connection, grip is cheese. with a higher connection rate, grip is easily defeated, and made almost useless by good players.


edit: as for chat kills and RPers and stuff....

well, i like to RP. but im not dumb about it. if someone says something to me, ill respond in kind (whether RPing, or joking around, or taunting or what have you). but if they come for me, i hit enter and fight. its just common sense. ill never make the first move tho. in fact, one time i walked up to one guy (in a duel game) and sat right next to him. we both sat there, playing this weird game of sitting chicken until one of us finally cracked. in the end i jumped up and he thought i was on the attack and swung at me. i almost died, but it sure was funny.

Sgt. Antronch
10-17-2003, 05:38 AM
Originally posted by Qaz
"Laming" is an excuse for pathetic players or Role Playing idiots who should go play starwar's galaxies or make their own servers not being able to win.

Scenario.

i am playing in FFA
no rules, no voting :)
RP idiot joins. Challanges me to duel cause i got hte highest score. I accept. He turns of his lightsaber and does 10 different taunts and useless movements. I slaughter him with a twirl. He screams lamer and tries to go after me for the entire game. Everytime i meat him he starts chatting and saying "prepare to die.. bla bal bla...". I don't waste time and frag him in a variety of ways. He screams that this server sucks and i suck and voting must be enabled and i am a lamer bla bal bla bla bal. I reply that this server is fair with no rules, everyone does whatever they want to win besides cheating with actual hacks and 3rd party programs. He says "F*** you" and leaves.


You are most likely one of these people if you complain about force powers. All people who want RP style gameplay should eighter go to another game or make a mod to play in whatever way they want. Please go and do so or die.
as I have said before If the server has no rules then no rules, if the server has rules, OBEY THEM!!!!!!!!!!! if an rp is foolish enough to go to a "lamer" server then he deserves what he gets.

and LAMING persay, is killing someone unfairly, if you disagree, then tell me what is laming? not someone who whines about things but the WORD laming from what i have seen LAMING IS KILLING PEOPLE UNFAIRLY.
and i shall repeat what i have said one more to get it through your dense skulls, IT'S THE SERVER! NO RULES ON THE SERVERR THAN LAMING IS OK RULES ON THE SERVEER OBERY THEM FOR GOD'S SAKE!!
there, was that clear enough or do you need to repeat the question once again? :)

FK | unnamed
10-17-2003, 07:03 AM
unfair?

umm in an action game where the goal is to kill people the only thing that is unfair is client side hacks like an aimbot.

chat box, saber down, etc. is done by choice.

you don't want to be "lamed"?

don't talk in the middle of a FFA.


I mean really, who in their right mind would actually complain about being chat killed in the middle of a FFA?

"I was typing!"

"yeah and I was killing, we all still saw your text you so did what you came to do and I did what I came to do".


just get over it, if you want to type and not be killed esc > spectate.

KaiaSowapit
10-17-2003, 07:43 AM
Originally posted by Sgt. Antronch
No such thing as lame? ...that is A MATTER OF OPINION...
Also originally posted by Sgt. Antronch
...but there IS such a thing as laming...
Be consistent. You shouldn't dismiss what someone says as mere "opinion" then contradict them and imply what you are saying is true. Also, if you want to be taken seriously it would be in your favor not to refer to your audience as having "dense skulls."

I understand that you are passionate about "laming," however please appreciate that "unfair" is open to a number of different interpretations.

Clearly you find a number of things about this game unfair. That is your prerogative, however you did state that you wanted to see if others would agree with you. Evidently some do not. That's known to happen from time to time on discussion forums. ;)

Originally posted by Sgt. Antronch
tell me what is laming?
In my opinion, "laming" or to "lame" is a term coined by individuals who can't see past their egos to appreciate that this is just a game. Personally, I believe that some have become too accustomed to options such as "auto-save" and "pause" in single-player. It's a shock to them to join a server with multiple players and independent thinking where they are not the center of attention. The expression "lamer" is used to describe dissatisfaction with a person who did something they simply didn't anticipate or like.

Additionally, to the best of my knowledge, no one in this thread has encouraged people to disregard server rules and behave inappropriately. There's no need to remind us (in all caps no less) to "OBERY THEM FOR GOD'S SAKE!!"

Luc Solar
10-17-2003, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by Sgt. Antronch
as I have said before If the server has no rules then no rules, if the server has rules, OBEY THEM!!!!!!!!!!!

Nobody said anything about not obeying server rules.

and LAMING persay, is killing someone unfairly, if you disagree, then tell me what is laming?

Laming is using blue skins even though red is the prettyest colour and all other colours suck ass. :p

Seriously: yes, I disagree with what you said because it a) makes no sense b) is not true even if it did make sense as such.

Here, try this link if you want to know what you're talking about:

http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=114280

and i shall repeat what i have said one more to get it through your dense skulls, IT'S THE SERVER! NO RULES ON THE SERVERR THAN LAMING IS OK RULES ON THE SERVEER OBERY THEM FOR GOD'S SAKE!!

Your definition of laming is not correct. There is no colour that is prettyer than all other colours. It's a matter of opinion, just like you said yourself.

And you might wanna cool down a bit....all those typos...tsk-tsk :D

Prime
10-17-2003, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by Luc Solar
And you might wanna cool down a bit....all those typos...tsk-tsk :D LOL.