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lazoras
10-20-2003, 11:58 AM
is it just me or does it feel like where ever you go theres tons and tons of lamers...duels now consist of 90% throwing, and force powers...FFA's you cant type or youll wind up dieing within seconds....does anyone else feel the same way?...i personaly am starting to concider just staying with JO because JA is no fun with the constant laming. and the sabers are horribly onbalanced...the double saber and staff sabers are only supposed to take more damage when you get hit by both blades...duh. i noticed that one hit from any double saber or staff is double the one hit of a single saber when it should be the same...the advantage should be that they can hit with two blades which can cause double the damage...but when they connect with one it should be the same!! and the powermoves for single saber dont even work that well :( the only affective styles are red and yellow...blue is pretty well useless because it only takes like 12 hp.. take red DFA...when a saber comes down on you and cuts you downt he center your supposed to die ...duh....and i think impale should be allowed in MP so you can kill the people who run from you. i noticed its alot harder to gain speed by jumping now so how in the world are you supposed to kill somone that runs??
oh well..such is life....JA is diesign so its easier to use the sabers but thats because they wanted to make it easier for the noobs...however i think thats where they went terribly wrong.....

Crow_Nest
10-20-2003, 01:44 PM
YEah, now all ppl hav n0 h0n0rz. Wish the players were like the good O' jk2.:)

Like on the flight school map, all the ppl only knows how to spam and lame teh n00b ships + rockets BS!!!!:mad:

Prime
10-20-2003, 01:56 PM
Originally posted by lazoras
is it just me or does it feel like where ever you go theres tons and tons of lamers... What do you define as laming? I don't really consider anyone who is attempting to play the game a lamer. Standing around emoting is pretty lame though.

Originally posted by lazoras
duels now consist of 90% throwing, and force powers... What?! Players are using abilities given to them by the game?!! They must be stopped!! :) Perhaps you can post a list of all the things you don't want other players to use. Or, failing that, perhaps you can play on a no force server...

Originally posted by lazoras
FFA's you cant type or youll wind up dieing within seconds.... This is probably the most common mistake made by newbie players. When you are chatting, you are unable to attack or defend yourself. This, of course, will likely get you killed. There are several solutions to this however. The easiest ways are to learn how to type faster or better yet not chatting at all. These are most effective. The least effective solution to chat at length and demand that everyone not attack while you are doing so.

But in then end, you just respawn and the game goes on, so what is the big deal?

Originally posted by lazoras
does anyone else feel the same way?... Probably, but I don't. You can decide whether that matters to you or not.

Originally posted by lazoras
i personaly am starting to concider just staying with JO because JA is no fun with the constant laming. Good idea. There was no laming in JO.

Originally posted by lazoras
and the powermoves for single saber dont even work that well :( For you, or for everyone? They certainly seem effective for me. I must be laming...

Originally posted by lazoras
the only affective styles are red and yellow...blue is pretty well useless because it only takes like 12 hp.. Actually, I find blue great, especially for the uppercut. I find the uppercut very handy when people are spamming the rolling stab or dual saber barrier. They are defenseless at the end of the move, which provides the perfect time for an uppercut. It can also be usefull against red stance, as it can make quick strikes between red swings.

Originally posted by lazoras
i noticed its alot harder to gain speed by jumping now so how in the world are you supposed to kill somone that runs?? Force speed? Saber throw? A gun?

Originally posted by lazoras
oh well..such is life....JA is diesign so its easier to use the sabers but thats because they wanted to make it easier for the noobs...however i think thats where they went terribly wrong..... Since you don't find any of the single saber moves effective (yet), and you are surprised that you die while chatting, it sounds as though you might be a newbie player. A little practice can fix that, of course :)

babywax
10-20-2003, 02:02 PM
I agree on blue stance, it is pretty much useless, except for uppercut of course.
Yellow is much better than blue again red, thanks to the longer range, more damage, and close to same speed. Yellow DFA and red DFA are both completely worthless.
As for laming: Get over it, don't put your sword down or attempt to chat and you will NEVER get lamed, that I promise ;) . Force powers are a part of the game, except in NF servers, try that if you don't like force.

FK | unnamed
10-20-2003, 05:54 PM
I'm kind of curious as to the age/gender demographic that is the "honor" folk.

The reason I mention that is, I have a very difficult time picturing anyone who is:

Male
Weighs over 100 pounds
Over 12 years old

Crying about "lamers".



I really get this mental image of some 93 pound, pale skinned, scrawny ass little kid, who never goes outdoors, has no friends, has never played any contact sports in his life, every time I hear some one bitch about being "lamed" in a video game.


Really, no joke, every time I see a person in a server cry "lamer" I get this flash back to my elementary school days.

Only difference is they were crying "mommy" back on the play ground instead of lamer...

g//plaZma
10-20-2003, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by FK | unnamed
I'm kind of curious as to the age/gender demographic that is the "honor" folk.

The reason I mention that is, I have a very difficult time picturing anyone who is:

Male
Weighs over 100 pounds
Over 12 years old

Crying about "lamers".



I really get this mental image of some 93 pound, pale skinned, scrawny ass little kid, who never goes outdoors, has no friends, has never played any contact sports in his life, every time I hear some one bitch about being "lamed" in a video game.


Really, no joke, every time I see a person in a server cry "lamer" I get this flash back to my elementary school days.

Only difference is they were crying "mommy" back on the play ground instead of lamer...

I get the same picture in my head when I see people yelling "LAMER."

Remirol Nacnud
10-20-2003, 06:29 PM
I wouldn't have any problem with the honour sysetm(not attacking those in chat or with sabre down)......if other people weren't disobeying it and using it to their advantage.

If some guy comes running past with his sabre down, and I swipe at him, he might say "hey! no laming or you'll get kicked!".
But I've seen people who run past me with the sabre down and take it out at the last second to start attacking.

I find the honour system to be a bit of a wimpy way out anyway. I'd only use it because I was low on health and wanted to get more before fighting. I'm not too bothered about killing my character, so I don't bother to do that.

It's quite entertaining though, to go with sabre down and have some guy chase you......but he never catches up. hehehe

KaiaSowapit
10-20-2003, 07:15 PM
Good god, I WISH it was just YOU!

The saddest thing is if some of you folks spent half as much time playing instead of complaining, you might actually improve and enjoy the game more.

I'm sick of people confusing FFA for a glorified chat room and/or whining about the "Force" being used in a friggin STAR WARS game.

Perhaps this is more your speed? http://www.geocities.com/melodymlp/btie.gif (http://www.geocities.com/melodymlp/)

Do us both a favor and stay OFF my server... PLEASE.

Taran'atar
10-20-2003, 10:12 PM
Is it just me, or is Jedi Academy (and Outcast) full of twelve year old whiners who are too busy crying about "laming" and their misguided idea of honor to actually play the game?

Iblis Reborn
10-20-2003, 10:49 PM
Originally posted by KaiaSowapit
Perhaps this is more your speed? http://www.geocities.com/melodymlp/btie.gif (http://www.geocities.com/melodymlp/)


that N00B PONY LAMED ME!!
i was putting all the pretty horses in the right places (and making them bow and kiss each other while the other horses watched) and one of them attacked me!!!!
(i didnt even have me saber out!)
so me and the other ponies kicked that laming horse out and we kept on brushing each others hair and stuff

:rolleyes:

Master William
10-20-2003, 10:52 PM
poor guy. I pity him. He just posted what he feels, and everyone jumped on him and ate him alive.

R.I.P

But just wait, Rod Blackrose has yet to post, the bloodfest aint over :p

Sam Fisher
10-20-2003, 11:02 PM
You know what I found out? Someone called me a lamer because I did the staff butterfly into a big group of people in an FFa, and got mad when I killed him. I said, " If you don't like me, LEAVE!!!"

He shut up for the rest of the match :)

Kurgan
10-21-2003, 01:11 AM
Frankly when I see people doing that stuff I don't see "lamers" I rather see people whining about stuff that doesn't need to be whined about.

On my server if somebody kills me while my saber is off or I'm typing, I don't get mad, I don't ban them, I just laugh it off and keep playing.

If somebody "spams" a move, it usually just makes them easier to defeat, so I don't get bothered by that either.

Rad Blackrose
10-21-2003, 01:23 AM
Originally posted by Master William
poor guy. I pity him. He just posted what he feels, and everyone jumped on him and ate him alive.

R.I.P

But just wait, Rod Blackrose has yet to post, the bloodfest aint over :p

Talk about flame bait.

How ****ing pathetic can you get, seriously?

http://www.ascendancy.net/tribalwar/Troll.jpg

Maybe after I finish my paper I'll comment, but not with your half a$$ed **** in mind.

Akshara
10-21-2003, 07:06 AM
lazoras...

I think it depends on where you go. Using Qtracker or AllSeeingEye along with the Favorites folder has dramatically improved my experience online. Some nights if I'm in the mood for true FFA where hitting Chat is a risky proposition and "it is unwise to lower your defenses" is the general rule, I'll go to those type of servers. Other times when I'm feeling more like FFA dueling, practicing with others, or simply using it as a glorified chatroom, I'll go to the servers that cater to that style.

In my experience so far, finding the right place that fits your style is the key to having a good time online.

duels now consist of 90% throwing, and force powers...
Yesterday on several different FFA servers I encountered duelists who restrained from using Katas in duels at all. It was surprising and refreshing, as well as very challenging. So they're out there... try to find a Duel server with Force powers disabled regularly - it they do enable them sometimes, the players will probably be more sparing with them. Or find an FFA server that is welcoming to duels, since force powers are automatically disabled in an FFA duel (at least on every server I've been on).

FFA's you cant type or youll wind up dieing within seconds....
If you jump far out of the way of the action into a remote location before chatting, people generally leave you alone. When fighting someone else or a group, jump far enough away and immediately turn off the saber and hit the chat button... 90% of the time they'll let you say what you have to before slicing into you.

Occasionally there's a guy who likes increasing his score by hitting the defenseless... just let him go. It doesn't really matter, if you're having fun. And you can always challenge him to a duel later if you like to settle the score... if he wins, leave him alone; if you win, then give him a hard time afterwards if you like.

Many of the supposed 'lamers' I've encountered aren't really meaning to be. There's been a few who I simply said, "Hey man, not cool..." to, and later on we had some good exchanges. Remember that the game is still pretty new, and since most of the JK2 diehards have a copy, the new people will be completely new to this game with no JK2 experience... so cut them some slack. Everyone here was a noob at some point.

Many of the server admins seem to be a little too strict to me - but it's understandable since it's kinda necessary to keep the real nasty players in line. But if I see an admin posting "lamers will be kicked and banned" messages in all caps over and over again, I'll leave the server and go somewhere a little more relaxed.

take red DFA...when a saber comes down on you and cuts you downt he center your supposed to die
That'shappened to me several times on normal damage servers. I'm strictly a Saberstaff artist myself, and in my experience the most difficult duels are the ones with Single Saber players. Several times I've been taken out with a single blow by an experienced player. So don't knock the single saber... it has the most flexibility of the three.

Personally I'm enjoying the saber combat of JA a whole lot more than I did in JK. Especially when dueling with seasoned players or those who refrain from using the Katas. Yesterday I had one FFA duel with a Double Saber wielder that lasted almost fifteen minutes, and we were both sweating it out at the end.

So to sum up... playing online isn't as bad as many of the posts on the forum here make it out to be. Just find a server where you enjoy the style, settings, and people... and have fun!

That's all everybody wants, is to have fun playing...

;)

Master William
10-21-2003, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by Rad Blackrose
Talk about flame bait.

How ****ing pathetic can you get, seriously?

http://www.ascendancy.net/tribalwar/Troll.jpg

Maybe after I finish my paper I'll comment, but not with your half a$$ed **** in mind.

All your posts consist of flaming, now shut up

Kurgan
10-21-2003, 11:31 AM
Ok you guys, cool off....

Crow_Nest
10-21-2003, 11:34 AM
Yeah, stop the fightning. If you wanna fight, go have a bar fight in the cantina.

KaiaSowapit
10-21-2003, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by Iblis Reborn
that N00B PONY LAMED ME!!
ROFL!!!

Crow_Nest
10-21-2003, 01:18 PM
I also noticed that most of the jk2 ppl are also starting to lame now. what the hell is goning on?!?!?!:mad:
:mad:

And i hate that stupid gh3y n00b lamer at kurgan's server, keeps on laming and spaming saber throw. And attack while im chatting or changing my force settings. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

kazesan
10-21-2003, 02:18 PM
It's just you...

I frequent a server that has "saber code enforced" Not because I like the saber code but because they have custom maps going all the time. So I try to tolerate it but more and more frequently I'm getting kicked. I wish it were true but there are very few lamers. I am very upset about that fact.

Luc Solar
10-21-2003, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by lazoras
is it just me or does it feel like where ever you go theres tons and tons of lamers...

Yes, it's just you. But first you need to understand what you are complaining about.

>> Define laming. Breaking the "rules", right? Now you realize that there really isn't such a thing as "laming". There are only little kids with little silly fantasy rules that the rest of the gaming community couldn't care less about.

Since there are no rules (if you disagree, please tell me on what page of the manual it says anything about "no throwing sabers" etc. because I must have missed it) there is no breaking the rules. If everyone is playing according to the rules, then they obviously aren't "laming".

The only laming around here is done by you people who complain about lamers. Play the damn game and have fun. Nobody likes a whiner and nobody cares about your personal view on how the game should be played. :)

CortoCG
10-21-2003, 03:29 PM
Hehehehe. Get drunk, get laid, jerk off, try some dope, get a life, have you heart broken by a hot chick, see how pubic hair now grows on you, shave up, get a job, study something, watch porn movies, mess with the police at least once, fight with your parents, become best friends with them then, vote for a terrible president, lose money on bad bets, stand up again and resume the daily fight, get into a riot and beat ppl, etc, etc, etc.

After doing all that, or at least part of it you'll feel how playing online games gets much better. You start to see funny ppl and sad ppl, no more lamers or honorers, lol.

You just sit down, relax and try to hit them as hard as you can and laugh your ass off in the process, even IF the other players aren't more than poor bastards.

It's only a GAME for Christ sakes, what kind of dumb, real LAME, discussions are these??? You should be discussing how hot Raven did the chicks in JA. o.O? Why the hell did you bought a beat'em up game like JA if you like to speak about honor and rpg, go buy SWG.

PS: Kaia, did you pinch my ass?

Darth_Misery
10-21-2003, 04:05 PM
Very simple solution to the laming problem:

Show up to play (and play constantly meaning never turn your blade off) and you'll never be lamed.


The problem with laming stems from the concept that an online deathmatch game should also serve as a chat hang-out. After watching JK2 decline from fun FFA to OpenGL chatroom, I personally find it very refreshing that the cluster of servers that I frequent are "all play; all the time." I've also noticed that several servers that started off with the "saber off=peace" in their MOTD have removed it.

The message is coming through loud and clear. The player community doesn't want JKA to end up like JK2 did.

Lazoras, I'm sorry if this is spoiling your fun but I'd strongly suggest finding a server out there that supports the situation that you're looking for. If you're randomly picking servers to join you're going to run into a LOT of servers with players that have no mercy on those who stand around and chat. You've got new-to-JK2 players who have no idea what the ghastly "honor" code is and you also have many of us from JK2 who aren't about to let JKA turn into what JK2 became.

If chatting is what you're coming to a game server for, then you might want to rethink and try a relay chat program like IRC. I'm sure there are many Star Wars channels to choose from.

Also, if you think that the saber types are unbalanced, I'd suggest some serious practice time mastering the timing, stances and swings of each. I think after a little homework, you'll find that no one weapon type is better than the other. There is a counter for everything (more than one in most cases).

Treat the game like a game and you might be surprised at how much fun you can really have.

CortoCG
10-21-2003, 04:21 PM
Bravo! Magister dixit!

Kurgan
10-21-2003, 04:25 PM
I also noticed that most of the jk2 ppl are also starting to lame now. what the hell is goning on?!?!?!


And i hate that stupid gh3y n00b lamer at kurgan's server, keeps on laming and spaming saber throw. And attack while im chatting or changing my force settings.

He goes by the name "subern00b" and I agree, he's always laming!

|GG|Carl
10-21-2003, 04:47 PM
I totally agree with Prime!

Luc Solar
10-21-2003, 05:23 PM
Originally posted by Kurgan
He goes by the name "subern00b" and I agree, he's always laming!

lol...I got to check out your server sometime. So what does this supern00b do exactly??

Abbas
10-21-2003, 05:50 PM
Talking about lame behaviours, I DO have problems with retarded n00bs in Siege who constantly switch teams because "they don't like to defend" or simply because their team is currently loosing a match.

Almost daily I find myself in servers where there're 3 vs "rest of the world" matches and, despite asking politely to even the teams, very few people care to restore balance. Sometimes I even receive answers like "f**k u" or "Stop whining"

Blue_Lightsaber
10-21-2003, 05:55 PM
The only things I find lame in MP is the kick-pull combination.

They kick you down, pull you off the ground, kick you down, ect. Then when you find a way to get away from the lame combination and own them, they cry and start a vote to kick you. If they are admin you most likely will be banned.

Prime
10-21-2003, 07:49 PM
Originally posted by Blue_Lightsaber
They kick you down, pull you off the ground, kick you down, ect. Hmm. I haven't come across this one yet. I must be too busy laming...

Rad Blackrose
10-21-2003, 09:04 PM
Originally posted by Prime
Hmm. I haven't come across this one yet. I must be too busy laming...

We used to do that with the JKII kick, was a fast damage move.

Now if the kick bug exists... hoo boy.

GreenSmoke
10-21-2003, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by FK | unnamed
I'm kind of curious as to the age/gender demographic that is the "honor" folk.

The reason I mention that is, I have a very difficult time picturing anyone who is:

Male
Weighs over 100 pounds
Over 12 years old

Crying about "lamers".



I really get this mental image of some 93 pound, pale skinned, scrawny ass little kid, who never goes outdoors, has no friends, has never played any contact sports in his life, every time I hear some one bitch about being "lamed" in a video game.


Really, no joke, every time I see a person in a server cry "lamer" I get this flash back to my elementary school days.

Only difference is they were crying "mommy" back on the play ground instead of lamer...

iron?

GreenSmoke
10-21-2003, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by lazoras
JA is diesign so its easier to use the sabers but thats because they wanted to make it easier for the noobs...however i think thats where they went terribly wrong.....

hopefully by JK5 it'll be easy enough for you friend

KaiaSowapit
10-21-2003, 09:38 PM
I'll admit it... it was me.

Akshara
10-22-2003, 02:30 AM
While I agree with and see the point of view that many of you have about having "servers where you can play the game as it was meant to be," I don't think it's necessary to dis on those who do enjoy a less frenetic online experience. You can't challenge your buddy to a lightsaber duel in an IRC chatroom.

It's like servers that run different mods or maps... some are pure server, some disintegration mod, some blademod, etc. What's happening is that there's a classic "Deathmatch" camp, and a "Knights of the Round Table" camp, both at loggerheads with each other. To quote a famous president, "Why can't we all just... get along?!?"

Agree to disagree... let everyone have the game they want. The "there's no rules" perception is a double edged sword, and cuts both ways - if people want to hang out in a map with friends from around the globe and duel, trio, practice, talk, or simply watch others fight, then they have just as much of a right to do so as the Pure Play servers have to not do so.

The only problem I see is when people don't respect the other camp... Knights go into a Deathmatch arena and cry foul when someone doesn't bow - pure and simple idiocy; and Deathmatchers drop in to a server they know is having a practice session and slice 'n dice every single person for the fun of it - pure and simple malice. If everyone would simply rescognize that this game caters to a vast audience, and respect each other's territory, everything would be fine.

Go to the ones that play how you like to, and leave the ones that don't alone. Simple... no more lamers and noobs, and a lot more enjoyable all around.

WolfJaguar
10-22-2003, 02:54 AM
Hmmm haven't encountered the more colorful people on MP yet I see.

I don't mind the occasional chat server, that's fine. Bunch of players chatting it out and the occasional public duel goes on while others watch.

It IS fun you know :)

CortoCG
10-22-2003, 03:18 AM
I knew it, I knew you'd pinch my ass the moment I look away, =).

Remember boys, there are no lamers, just unforgiving bastard children of John Carmack. We come from a less civilized era, when the chaingun and the man slaughter meant the difference between winners and losers. Now that we have glowing sticks we cannot stop fragging chit chatters sorry butts.

I mean, is not that we want to. I pray for the day I can seat infront of my PC all day, have tea and cookies, and chat like my grandma would. But when I'm on the matrix I feel an uncontrolable need to have a frag fest.

Thank to the Lord, Oh the Looooord! We have still a couple of cool JK3 servers where win the match is the only valid rule. Alleluyah brothers!

I love you all, whiners included. Whiners are not bad ppl, just unexperienced inmature ppl. Heck, I used to bend keyboards like if they were candy sticks in the middle of an online game rage when I was like 16 years old.

Rad Blackrose
10-22-2003, 04:56 AM
Originally posted by CortoCG
Remember boys, there are no lamers, just unforgiving bastard children of John Carmack.

Haha

We are no longer the Honorable Jedi of America! We are now the Bastard Children of Carmack! Fear us!

Start the propoganda music!

Amidala from Chop Shop
10-22-2003, 05:26 AM
Originally posted by Akshara
To quote a famous president, "Why can't we all just... get along?!?"


Actually, that quote is from Rodney King, the drunken driver whose beating by the LAPD was captured by a bystander with a camcorder. He said it during the Los Angeles riots that followed the acquittal of 4 LAPD officers who were tried for the beating.

But I agree with your main points. Servers that are falsely listed as "Free For All" in the server browser but are really pseudo-dueling servers\chat rooms\role-playing areas\playpens for power-crazed tyranical teenaged admins should be clearly labeled as such in the sv_hostname and g_MOTD (suggestions: "We Don't Really Like to Fight Server", "Would Rather amkiss than Fight Server", "The Limp Saber Server", "The Having Honor Means Always Having to Say You're a Lamer Server", and so on) so that players who are looking for an actual "Free For All" server can stay the hell away from them and leave them alone. At the same time, players who feel the need to scream "lamer!" and "saber down = peace!" when they come to a real, pure, classic, honest-to-God "Free For All" server should either be quiet and play, or leave. There is no need to convert the other side to the your own way of thinking. As you point out, there are over 500 servers, they don't all have to be the same.

Unfortunately, in my experience, it is the so-called "honor" players who are more likely to invade the few real FFA servers and convert everyone to "saber down = peace" than the other way around. If a real fighter comes and disrupts a chat session\role-playing\pseudo-dueling server, it's probably because she foolishly believed a server listed under "FFA" was what it was advertised to be.

Larberg
10-22-2003, 06:05 AM
"that N00B PONY LAMED ME!!
i was putting all the pretty horses in the right places (and making them bow and kiss each other while the other horses watched) and one of them attacked me!!!!
(i didnt even have me saber out!)
so me and the other ponies kicked that laming horse out and we kept on brushing each others hair and stuff"


HAHA. sounds like something cartman would say.

CortoCG
10-22-2003, 06:16 AM
Amidala from Chop Shop
If a real fighter comes and disrupts a chat session\role-playing\pseudo-dueling server, it's probably because she foolishly believed a server listed under "FFA" was what it was advertised to be.

You asume that the real fighter is a girl, that's cool. I wish my girlfriend had broadband too, she would kick some asses too, =).

Cosmos Jack
10-22-2003, 06:18 AM
When will these threads ever end?

The other day I was playing a map and this guy cried lamer every time anyone killed him... It was the sadist thing.. He had the "I can kill you, but you can't kill me rule going on.".. Someone called him out as a "cry baby" and he threatened to hack their computer. lol he was so restarted...

I guess the sad thing is for a little kid a game is their way of showing they have balls or playing grown up. They have never proven anything in real life. So they have to show they have balls in a computer game. Chat killing them is like walking up to a coworker and slapping them in the face except that is real the game is not...

For an adult they have proven themselves in life and just want to play the dam game. I have enough respect crap to deal with in life. I don't have the need to come home and do it in a freaking computer game. When I should be relieving stress I'm getting stressed by the punk crying "you lamed me" ShuT The F@CK UP. "It's game kids get a life."

A lame in real life is when you get your @ss beat by a mugger or I take your promotion at the job.

I have nothing to prove to any little kid playing this game. If you don't have the balls to take a beating in a computer game than you might as well "Kill Your Self," because real life is allot harder...

I say all the mature people in the game community just ignore this "cry baby crap." Let them post what they want and cry as much as they want and just kick their buts as much as we want... They are never going to stop. They are as annoying as a news break in the middle of your favorite TV show you waited a week to tape...

Master William
10-22-2003, 06:49 AM
Amidala from Chop Shop
If a real fighter comes and disrupts a chat session\role-playing\pseudo-dueling server, it's probably because she foolishly believed a server listed under "FFA" was what it was advertised to be.

You're right, atleast they have to rename the server to 'RPG' or similar.

FK | unnamed
10-22-2003, 07:08 AM
Originally posted by CortoCG
I knew it, I knew you'd pinch my ass the moment I look away, =).

Remember boys, there are no lamers, just unforgiving bastard children of John Carmack. We come from a less civilized era, when the chaingun and the man slaughter meant the difference between winners and losers. Now that we have glowing sticks we cannot stop fragging chit chatters sorry butts.

I mean, is not that we want to. I pray for the day I can seat infront of my PC all day, have tea and cookies, and chat like my grandma would. But when I'm on the matrix I feel an uncontrolable need to have a frag fest.

Thank to the Lord, Oh the Looooord! We have still a couple of cool JK3 servers where win the match is the only valid rule. Alleluyah brothers!

I love you all, whiners included. Whiners are not bad ppl, just unexperienced inmature ppl. Heck, I used to bend keyboards like if they were candy sticks in the middle of an online game rage when I was like 16 years old.


I miss the old days of quakeworld and such.

kill
kill
kill
blow **** up
kill
blow **** up
kill
blow more **** up
kill


life was good back then.


:cool:

Rumor
10-22-2003, 08:03 AM
^7+^4/<^5ao^7ticz^4[^7Lamers^5Welcome^4]|284ms|64.246.59.197:29070

^ have at it. server has been filling up the past few days.

Akshara
10-22-2003, 10:33 AM
Wow... I see.

For the record, I'm 33, married 7 years, have a successful business of my own, and saw A New Hope 30 times in the theater during the summer of '77. I'm as, if not more "mature" than most of the supposed "adults" in this thread whining about how hard real life is. Yet I don't feel the need to go online and take out pent up rage slapping around 13 year olds for being who they are.

Occassionally I enjoy hanging out on these "falsely" listed FFA servers... does that also mean I'm not capable of enjoying "true" FFA sometimes as well? Of course not. Just blindly labelling everybody who enjoys playing on a "pseduo-duel chatroom" as below human isn't a very Jedi-like course of action. I mean c'mon... telling these people that they might as well kill themselves?

:eyeraise:

Even going back to the Q3 days, I never encounter as many of these so-called pre-pubescent teens who scream foul as everyone on the gaming forums says there are. I played both JK2 and EF from first day, and rarely ever saw it. Sure I've run across some at certain times of day; but from reading the forums here you'd think the servers were 80% populated with them. People hanging out together doing trios and duels and talking to each other at 2am on a weekday are not idiot pre-teen fanboys. Give me a break...

But the young ones here are to be expected, and they're sizes will probably grow... I mean it is called Jedi ACADEMY. It's smart when purchasing a game to know it's audience... sheesh. Here we range from young Anakin dreamers to those with New Hope bootlegs that have the Biggs scene in them, battling it out in a game that Raven designed to have a little bit for everybody.

For speculation's sake... let's say that at least 50% of the people in these supposed "psuedo-dueling chatrooms" aren't idiot teens... then why does everybody have such an amazing hard on against them ALL? Is it a testosterone thing? They're not simply disliked around here... but outright and publicly defamed, disrespected, and despised.

At least that's how it comes across.

----

ps. I was quoting Jack Nicholson, which was a little more of the tone I was trying to get across. It wouldn't hurt for people to lighten up a little around here - especially the so-called adults.

As adults we have the life experience and reponsibility to step back and show a little compassion for each other that children generally don't have. It's fairly known in psychology that whatever upsets someone the most is often a reflection of something inside themselves that they don't like to see. The general consensus expressed in this thread isn't really more mature than the cries of the lamers.

Not flaming... just exercising my right to express an alternative point of view. If you see me online, you can always challenge me to a duel... oops, you all don't do that fag sh*t.

Luc Solar
10-22-2003, 10:39 AM
^7+^4/<^5ao^7ticz^4[^7Lamers^5Welcome^4]|284ms|64.246.59.197:29070

^ have at it. server has been filling up the past few days.

i went on there but some lamer named plazz or whatever drained me while i was sab0r down so like WTF!? :mad: just wanted to let u know this rumor, plz ban him we dont need that kind of no skillz poeples on the server ruining the game for me. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Astrotoy7
10-22-2003, 10:49 AM
Akshara
and saw A New Hope 30 times in the theater during the summer of '77.

Man, I wish I was old enough to be able to say that ! I was 2 when ANH came out, and SW has been a big part of my life since I saw it in 1980 on TV - when I was 5 !
I made up for it w the special editions & prequels, especially AOTC which I saw about 14 times over the course of a few months !


As for the topic, I agree w Cosmos Jack
When will these threads ever end?

MTFBWYA
SPOILER FREE FOR EPISODE 3

*Goes back to reading NJO : TFP, resumes waiting for KOTOR*

Dammit - 200th post - I'm a F**KIN EWOK ! I hate EWOKS !

Akshara
10-22-2003, 11:00 AM
WolfJaguar...

It IS fun you know :)

Yes... it IS fun. ;)

Astrotoy 7...

I agree with certain elements of Cosmos Jack's sentiments as well. I just feel that there's a lot of agression being taken out on these people at this forum inappropriately, in a not so Jedi-like or mature manner. A lot of people really enjoy antagonizing the 'whiners', and if they were really gone they'd get bored.

Samurai Jack is one of my favorite cartoon characters ever. Like watching a japanese koan.

BloodRiot
10-22-2003, 11:53 AM
Look here... I'm sure that If I went out with some of those whinners and have a pint of cider we'd all have a great time and all... but in a JA MP game i get criticized for using grip?

The map has pits... grip is not a cheat... the server is FF and there's nothing in the rules that say i can't use it...i want to win... sooooo... if it means a frag point for me i'll make you kiss the bottom or swim in lava.

The guy just said "omg gripper"...and I asked "So?" to which he replied "lammer noob"... 2 minutes afterwards I killed him with my saber and no force powers... so i asked him "go ahead....call me noob again" to which he replied "do you want me to play 4 seriously?" and I said "yeah...same place...meet me here... if you win i'll give you the credit you deserve for doing so!"... I fought him afterwards and he never beat me... nor did he beat anyone else either btw.

It's not about the made up honor rules or any of the chatting... since people pay for the servers i can live with it and i even abide by the rules even though i wanna frag non stop... it's simply the sore loser attitude and a total lack of respect for other players, being them worse, equal or better players.

I have nothing against those people has human beings, nor am I gonna speculate about their gender, age or ethnicity or any such thing. But as JA players "I can't abide those Whinners... disgusting creatures".

CortoCG
10-22-2003, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by Akshara
I'm as, if not more "mature" than most of the supposed "adults" in this thread whining about how hard real life is. Yet I don't feel the need to go online and take out pent up rage slapping around 13 year olds for being who they are.

Nobody says real life is THAT hard, at least not me. I say that real life is so much INTERESTING and it should be taken seriously, not like games.

Originally posted by Me
I love you all, whiners included. Whiners are not bad ppl, just unexperienced inmature ppl. Heck, I used to bend keyboards like if they were candy sticks in the middle of an online game rage when I was like 16 years old.

If you take a minute to read, you'll se that I'm recognizing that I used to fall in rage bcuz of games, but I didn't blame the others, I always blamed me.

Atmof my life has been real easy and smooth so far, yet I always had to respond for my own acts, and pay for my own stupidity, even when I was a dumb, pubic hair less boy.
Now I'm still a BOY (22 years old), but at least I never got the nasty habit of blaming the others for my weaknesses and my failures.

Since games are not "real life", they should not be taken so seriously, and if you can't get a frag don't get mad, save it for other IMPORTANT things. Like having the life you have Akshara.

Age at this level has nothing to do with maturity. If you are a "the-others-are-always-wrong" kid at 13 you'll keep being that at 22 and at 30, and perhaps you'll realize how fool you have been at 80.

Even though, I was not referring to young kids, I bet most of this "don't-blame-me", "you-suck" players have my age or are even older. That's why I keep pushing with a "get-a-life" subject, cuz I asume the retards are at least as retards as me, but too nerds to go out a try life in the flesh. I would never say to a 13 years old kid to get a job, that's crazy.

Rounding up, 3.55 equals 3.6.

- Ego coito ergo sum. - Me.

Astrotoy7
10-22-2003, 12:13 PM
BloodRiot - you and I have the COOLEST avatars of all !!

If you really want to flame people who complain on the forum, call them whiners not whinners(winners!) ! It makes old people like myself confused.... !

With regards to MP in general -
It IS fun you know

Really ! You wouldn't think so reading this forum !!! I only play MP at Lan get- togethers, so I can literally punch a "lamer" in the guts if he stabs me with saber down !

I am still waiting for someone to start a thread
"I really love MP, you meet a lot of different people, you can fight, chat, and even if we dont agree on the rules it doesnt matter because it is just a game and we are all brothers and sisters on this beautiful earth..."

...waiting ...waiting :P

Also, Ashkara
to those with New Hope bootlegs that have the Biggs scene in them

Wow ! I only saw it in that CD-rom, as well as the anchorhead scene, plus han's girlfriend in the cantina. Would have loved to have seen the footage of 3po driving the speeder through the canyons.....

MTBWYA

CortoCG
10-22-2003, 12:25 PM
Kill the waiting! As soon as you start that thread I'll post love songs Astrotroy7, =).

I would like to talk about really funny things that happen when playing JA, like the way I got myself killed, lol.

BloodRiot
10-22-2003, 12:35 PM
Doh!... My mistake... just pretend I wrote Whiners so that i dont have to edit all that stuff ;p.

Anyway like I said... I dont kill people saber down unless they do it to me first cuz in that case it's clear to me they dont follow rulesand therefore can't complain if i do the same.

Like i said.. it's not exactly the rules... but the atitude.

And for that love song thread... someone grab a guitar, I'll build a fire and we can all go on a campong trip while we are at it ;p.

CortoCG
10-22-2003, 12:40 PM
It's started, let's go there!

Wudan
10-22-2003, 12:54 PM
All of this, is exactly why I'll be putting client customized squelch options. for chat in my mod. This is just ridiculous :P

I don't mind ANYTHING at all, even getting beaten down. I just mind annoying chats about it.

KaiaSowapit
10-22-2003, 01:45 PM
Akshara, as a thirty-something year-old fan I too saw "A New Hope" my fair share during the summer of '77. I'm also unmarried (hi ladies!!), pay taxes, etc. etc. etc.

That said, I can't begin to suggest that I have deeper insights as to how this game should be played anymore than anyone else. (Nor am I trying to imply that's what your post suggests either.) I don't bear any ill-will towards those who want to role-play, observe an honor code, etc. etc. etc.

My only point is that it's damn frustrating to jump on a server, in particular MY server - the one I'm paying a monthly fee to maintain and make available to the community at large - and have to deal with ill-tempered, immature, ungrateful, poor sports.

Yes I appreciate the intended audience of this video game. Furthermore I understand that by their very nature, video games appeal to a younger portion of our population.

Nevertheless, it's still damn annoying to have my fun time interrupted by some foul-mouthed individual(s) who can't stand the notion that their "virtual jedi" just got his/her ass whooped. And yes, perhaps it's my own misfortune, but in my personal experience there are a quite a few of them populating the servers.

Instead of appreciating the fact that this is a GAME, and at its heart a COMBAT game (no matter what additional codes of honor or so forth people want to add to it), there are those who falsely hold the belief that if they lose, they are ENTITLED to accuse anyone and everyone of being a "n00b" or "lamer," generally along with a host of other insulting names that don't bear repeating.

Where I come from that's simply called being a sore loser.

P.S. Someone stop pulling Corto's finger.

Akshara
10-22-2003, 02:06 PM
My only point is that it's damn frustrating to jump on a server, in particular MY server - the one I'm paying a monthly fee to maintain and make available to the community at large - and have to deal with ill-tempered, immature, ungrateful, poor sports.

I can appreciate that, and I'm sure I'd feel the exact same way if I were in your position. It appears that I've been fortunate enough to avoid encountering these people very often. Of course I rarely get to play during the peak hours of the day (afternoons/evenings) since that's when everything happens in real life. Generally when I do go on it will be after midnight where I live, or in the early to mid mornings. So maybe that has something to do with it. However, I do feel for you guys and hope that this whole mess chills out eventually.

I'll stop by your server sometime and say hi.

----

Amidala, if you actually read this far... stopped by ChopShop in the wee hours this morning and had a great time. Server 2 was pretty choppy even though my ping was like 65; but Server 1 was really nice and clean. I'd been practicing, so using the saber wasn't so difficult this time. Especially enjoyed the saber only CTF...

CortoCG
10-22-2003, 02:13 PM
Yeah! Stop pulling my finger! Pull my caulk! LMFAO

Butt_Whisper
10-22-2003, 02:21 PM
Yeah, last night this guy had is saber down and only using force light. Everyone was whinning that saber down=peace. He would attack with the light, then when you attacked/killed him with your saber, he cried lamer. It was a FFA server, with no rules listed, so to me everyone was fair game. If they wanted to duel, they should have went to a duel server, and if they wanted to chat, they should not have respawned till they was ready to fight.

Prime
10-22-2003, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by Butt_Whisper
Everyone was whinning that saber down=peace. Tell them you were using a laser sword, and thus that rule does not apply to you.

GEEZus
10-22-2003, 03:25 PM
Instead of going back to JO I think you'd enjoy this more:

SPOILER ALERT OMG!!!!!!!!!!11!!111!1!!





































http://images.ebgames.com/ebx_assets/product_images/220541.jpg

Giddamon
10-22-2003, 04:00 PM
Personally I don't see a reason not to use force powers in a server where...force powers are enabled :p

If you don't know how to evade throws and you don't want to use absorb against people pulling/pushing/gripping you then go play on a NF server! What's the problem?

Also, people should drop all their babblings about "Honor". Dudes it's a multiplayer game!!!!

Like Unnamed said before it's just

kill
kill
kill
blow **** up
kill
blow **** up
kill
blow more **** up
kill

And if you don't like how people play in a server just pick another server or play bots instead to whine all the time. It makes your life easier and the game more enjoyable IMO

;)

CortoCG
10-22-2003, 04:04 PM
GEEZus where the hell is the spoiler? LMAO.

Rumor
10-22-2003, 11:59 PM
Originally posted by Luc Solar
i went on there but some lamer named plazz or whatever drained me while i was sab0r down so like WTF!? :mad: just wanted to let u know this rumor, plz ban him we dont need that kind of no skillz poeples on the server ruining the game for me. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

done. i also banned him from my bedroom so no more secks for him.

g//plaZma
10-23-2003, 12:09 AM
Originally posted by Rumor
done. i also banned him from my bedroom so no more secks for him.

:(

/amcryariveranddrownself

eniaC
10-23-2003, 02:17 AM
Age: 27 , married 7 years, 2 children.

I was roasting G.I. Joes over the Ewok Village campfire when most of you weren't so much as an idea.

WHEN WILL THIS ARGUMENT END
Just play the freakin game people or pinch peoples butts, quit arguing, it's "lame".(oops i said the word, I'm cursed as a newbie forever, what should I do, help me please I want to be as good as you all)

As a famous president once said "Can't we all just get along"
(sorry that was just to good to pass up, :p )


*Goes back to fragging Nazi's in Wolf*

*Goes back to trying to defeat Nemesis*

eniaC

*edited*-oops forgot to check my dictionary to see if this was satire, hope my post wasn't off topic, if so I appologize almighty LucasForum gurus and vetrans, can I be your frinds too?

P.S. I don't come into your forum and spam it up with useless posts and meaningless trash that's not worthy for the bottom of my steel toe'd shanks, the only people I see doing that are the ones with the almighty "glow", so why do you do it to servers set up by people's personal money, time, etc.(Kurgan excluded, great FAQ's, thumbs up)

Akshara
10-23-2003, 09:40 AM
Here's one for ya, and tell me if any of you think it's okay...

In CTF over on the Void, some guy joins the blue team and starts running around killing all his teammates. We were in a neck and neck game, close score for almost 20 minutes, then boom... ruined. Tried to ask him to stop... didn't even care. Looked exactly like several other reborn teammates, so it was impossible to see him coming. Next game starts, and suggested he simply switch sides or leave/be kicked. But no, starts fragging all the blue guys and thowing curses all over the place.

Hmmm... I guess that would actually classify as being lame.

There wasn't any honorz, chatting, roleplaying, dueling, whining or nothing.... just 10 people trying to play a good round of CTF. This was at around 4am on a school night, so it's doubtful it was some teenage kid.

:rolleyes:

CortoCG
10-23-2003, 12:00 PM
C'Mon ppl!!! It's love time! Love is in the air!

Go post funny stuff, don't you ever get bored of posting sad things and flaming the others?... Well I don't, so let's carry on flaming each other, evil is good!

Sadly for me I have been encountering really cool ppl at the server I always play, except for someone who called me "f|_|cktard", so I don't any excuse to be mad.

Though, there are some ppl who uses really colorfull ways to insult, are you sure you're not gay? :rolleyes: Cuz, you know, there's nothing wrong with it, you just like the caulk more than the girl next to you.

What I see is that there's a new kind of online flamer, cze QUITTER, they come in, mess things up, insult here and there, and then quit when they get their ass pinched, lol.

Why don't these ppl come in here and post crap like I do, instead of ruining other's online match.

Kurgan
10-23-2003, 12:09 PM
Originally posted by Luc Solar
lol...I got to check out your server sometime. So what does this supern00b do exactly??

Actually I was just teasing crow_nest. My server doesn't have any rules against "laming" but we have this ongoing joke thing about it.

; )

Astrotoy7
10-23-2003, 12:40 PM
I personally cant wait to play Galaxies, when I get ADSL early next year :P

Too much FPS is like wearing tight underwear. Feels OK for a while, then it just becomes hot, sweaty and annoying, and makes you behave violently towards others.......

I wonder if you get "n00bs and lamers" messin life up for you there too....

MTFBWYA

ManaMana
10-23-2003, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by Cosmos Jack
When will these threads ever end?

The other day I was playing a map and this guy cried lamer every time anyone killed him... It was the sadist thing.. He had the "I can kill you, but you can't kill me rule going on.".. Someone called him out as a "cry baby" and he threatened to hack their computer. lol he was so restarted...

I guess the sad thing is for a little kid a game is their way of showing they have balls or playing grown up. They have never proven anything in real life. So they have to show they have balls in a computer game. Chat killing them is like walking up to a coworker and slapping them in the face except that is real the game is not...

For an adult they have proven themselves in life and just want to play the dam game. I have enough respect crap to deal with in life. I don't have the need to come home and do it in a freaking computer game. When I should be relieving stress I'm getting stressed by the punk crying "you lamed me" ShuT The F@CK UP. "It's game kids get a life."

A lame in real life is when you get your @ss beat by a mugger or I take your promotion at the job.

I have nothing to prove to any little kid playing this game. If you don't have the balls to take a beating in a computer game than you might as well "Kill Your Self," because real life is allot harder...

I say all the mature people in the game community just ignore this "cry baby crap." Let them post what they want and cry as much as they want and just kick their buts as much as we want... They are never going to stop. They are as annoying as a news break in the middle of your favorite TV show you waited a week to tape...

Yes, that is very good said...
I, myself, looks in some eyes like a kiddo...
But, I have to proven myself, I stand for what I am saying, I have laughed the death, or in this case, the school, in his face, and I have grown in my mind... Actually, you can't see by this post if I am grownup or not, but please, take me for my word...

All lamers is 12-13 years kid who don't understand the meaning of theese gamse, they see it as a cult, something holy, something you can build a whole lifestyle on! I am but 14, but I don't wanna be a looser who hangs in front of the computer screaming "Lamer!" all the day.

I wanna be a journalist.

Not a nerd from an universe far far away...

So, by this young age, I studie hard to be a good one.

Young people out there, do something with you lifes! It is to much worth to play games all the time!

CortoCG
10-23-2003, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by Astrotroy7
Too much FPS is like wearing tight underwear.

LMAO.

Well said ManaMana! Amen!

eniaC
10-23-2003, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by ManaMana
Yes, that is very good said...
I, myself, looks in some eyes like a kiddo...
But, I have to proven myself, I stand for what I am saying, I have laughed the death, or in this case, the school, in his face, and I have grown in my mind... Actually, you can't see by this post if I am grownup or not, but please, take me for my word...

All lamers is 12-13 years kid who don't understand the meaning of theese gamse, they see it as a cult, something holy, something you can build a whole lifestyle on! I am but 14, but I don't wanna be a looser who hangs in front of the computer screaming "Lamer!" all the day.

I wanna be a journalist.

Not a nerd from an universe far far away...

So, by this young age, I studie hard to be a good one.

Young people out there, do something with you lifes! It is to much worth to play games all the time!

Well said, Having a 5 year old it's good to hear some kids(young adults) still have values and goals with respect for there elders and have a positive outlook on things and not out there causing anarchy.

eniaC:hattip:

shukrallah
10-23-2003, 09:18 PM
Solution:

Make a mod, so that your weapons are disabled till you are in a duel. Then when you get in a duel, you dont see anyone else, and no one interferes. Also, the game should do a quick bowing animation, so its all "honorable" But it shouldnt be serverside! It should be downloadable so that whoever wants to play like that can DL the mod, and whoever doesnt, cant join the server with out the mod! You see they are happy, and we can get on servers and play the way we want. Hey, they can make a special "duel mod" its exaclty like duel, except instead of being in spectater view, you can walk around, but you cant interfere with their duel, and you cant fight, untill your in the duel.

Anyways, thats possibly been done already. Man, if i can learn how to code, id do it! Just to clean up the servers, so people would know that they are using the rpg mod in there server, and they could let them "rpg"

Look, i can play both ways, but i get bored "rpging" it just more fun to have a huge gun fight, or saber war than to sit around and watch others play and chat. Ill chat here and there in a fight, its cool to play a team based game and discuss "plans" or whatever, although sometimes you cant because you will die... but you get what im saying.

Amidala from Chop Shop
10-23-2003, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by lukeskywalker1
Solution:

Make a mod, so that your weapons are disabled till you are in a duel. Then when you get in a duel, you dont see anyone else, and no one interferes. Also, the game should do a quick bowing animation, so its all "honorable" But it shouldnt be serverside! It should be downloadable so that whoever wants to play like that can DL the mod, and whoever doesnt, cant join the server with out the mod! You see they are happy, and we can get on servers and play the way we want. Hey, they can make a special "duel mod" its exaclty like duel, except instead of being in spectater view, you can walk around, but you cant interfere with their duel, and you cant fight, untill your in the duel.

Anyways, thats possibly been done already. Man, if i can learn how to code, id do it! Just to clean up the servers, so people would know that they are using the rpg mod in there server, and they could let them "rpg"

Look, i can play both ways, but i get bored "rpging" it just more fun to have a huge gun fight, or saber war than to sit around and watch others play and chat. Ill chat here and there in a fight, its cool to play a team based game and discuss "plans" or whatever, although sometimes you cant because you will die... but you get what im saying.

There is a mod for JKII:JO that does almost exactly what you describe, except for the forced bowing. It's called Dueler's Mod
http://www.jedi-knight2.de/dlmanager/item.php?id=167

Unlike a regular duel server, it lets people run around and fight FFA style while waiting to duel, but the FFA kills don't count. The mod automatically runs a dueling ladder, assigning duels between players at similar levels on the ladder. When a duel is assigned and begins all the other players on the map seem to "disappear" so to the two duelists it seems that they are the only two people on the map. To everyone else the duelists have the usual blue glow and can't be affected by others. Multiple duels can occur simultaneously. When the duel is over, all the other players on the server magically "reappear" and you can go back to non-scoring FFA with other people waiting for their next duel.

It has other nice features like dual sabers and double-bladed sabers with RGB color control, working jetpacks and grappling hooks, cartwheel animations, admin commands, multiple hilts, model scaling (small Yoda and big Desann models), etc. It is a client-server mod so both clients and servers need to have it.

There was an unfortunate falling-out between the two people who worked on it, so it is less popular than it might have been. I wish Raven had created a similar gametype that allows the kind of multiple duels that a lot of people seem to like. Unfortunately, some people try to run such multiple duel servers under the FFA gametype, leading to confusion and misunderstandings when someone who thought they were joining a FFA server and starts fighting FFA-style encounters a bunch of saber-down people loitering around waiting around to duel, leading to the inevitable chain of events of cries of "lamer!", admin abuse\slap\sleep\punish\kick\ban, angry and bitter post on Lucasforums. It didn't have to continue like this if LucasArts\Raven had adopted the Dueler's Mod approach to dueling.

shukrallah
10-23-2003, 11:35 PM
Truthfully, i dont care what you say, it wasnt supposed to be this way. The rules said for FFA run around the map fighting, defeating your opponents to score points.

*SIGH* I guess, even if a mod like that was made, it wouldnt be used that much, especially since there are many serverside mods, so people dont have to DL that mod. The thing is, its not going to stop... and since there are a lot more of these servers on than normal servers. (about 95% of the servers in jk2 are filled with these rpgers) And it wont stop, it will grow because theres a greater chance that all the new players will join and connect to an untitled RPG server. So they will tell them the game is player like this, or that, then they will see everyone screaming lamer, and then they will, even though they have probably never heard that word untill they played JK2, or JA.


And Raven does have the perfect gametype for them! Its called duel, you can chat, and dont have to worry about laming!!!! Its so great!!!! Too bad, since it makes you go into spectater mode, people dont play it, because they dont want to wait there turn. If that could be changed (by raven, in a patch... a new game mode!) people would use it. Its most likley people wont pay too much attention to a mod, only for the first few days, then they go back to there RPG free for all those people who cant play servers. :(

I blame clans.. not all, but most of em.

Amidala from Chop Shop
10-23-2003, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by lukeskywalker1
Truthfully, i dont care what you say, it wasnt supposed to be this way. The rules said for FFA run around the map fighting, defeating your opponents to score points.

No disagreement here. My servers clearly state that All Kills are Legal for a true FFA experience.

And Raven does have the perfect gametype for them! Its called duel, you can chat, and dont have to worry about laming!!!! Its so great!!!! Too bad, since it makes you go into spectater mode, people dont play it, because they dont want to wait there turn. If that could be changed (by raven, in a patch... a new game mode!) people would use it. Its most likley people wont pay too much attention to a mod, only for the first few days, then they go back to there RPG free for all those people who cant play servers. :(

That was my whole point. People don't like waiting to duel, they want to have multiple simultaneous duels. That's why I said Raven should have added another gametype to Duel and Power Duel that allows multiple non-interference duels like Duelers Mod has. I think we both agree that it would be more popular than either of the current duel gametypes, and maybe more popular than true FFA. For some strange reason, people hate chatting while in spectator, they prefer pretending their character is actually conversing with the other person's character.

eniaC
10-24-2003, 03:21 AM
Originally posted by lukeskywalker1
I blame clans.. not all, but most of em.

True that's a big part of it, but you cant RP in the game anyhow no more than you could in Yahoo. At first it may sound dandy but it just doesn't work, in fact I havn't been on one clan server that RP's in JA. I'm sure some have tried and failed but, I just don't think that blaming clans can do any good, I've had plenty of laughs chatting in ffa with fellow clan mates. I play the game to have fun not a place to vent anger and hostility.

To all the people who are RPing can't you just pretend the people who are not following the rules are evil or whatever, I mean c'mon don't be such sore loser because you got owned. Draw your freakin saber and fight back, and you call yourselves "Jedi".


:sithm:
eniaC


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Giddamon
10-24-2003, 08:51 AM
Originally posted by Cosmos Jack
I have nothing to prove to any little kid playing this game. If you don't have the balls to take a beating in a computer game than you might as well "Kill Your Self," because real life is allot harder...

I say all the mature people in the game community just ignore this "cry baby crap." Let them post what they want and cry as much as they want and just kick their buts as much as we want... They are never going to stop. They are as annoying as a news break in the middle of your favorite TV show you waited a week to tape...

:thumbsup:

Originally posted by {R^S}eniaC{JC}
To all the people who are RPing can't you just pretend the people who are not following the rules are evil or whatever, I mean c'mon don't be such sore loser because you got owned. Draw your freakin saber and fight back, and you call yourselves "Jedi".
Hell yeah! At least the server admins could add a nice "This is a RP Server, no fights 'coz we follow the honourable Jedi code" line in their MOTD, in this way people who just want to frag and blow up stuff will know to stay away from that server :D

CortoCG
10-24-2003, 11:45 AM
There's a "I love MP gaming" thread, Cosmos Jack, didn't see you post there.

MasterN64
10-24-2003, 11:54 AM
I think i speak for a lot of us when i say YES!

CortoCG
10-24-2003, 12:20 PM
o.O? YES to what? did you pinch my ass? Will you marry me? Are you happy?

MasterN64
10-24-2003, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by CortoCG
o.O? YES to what? did you pinch my ass? Will you marry me? Are you happy?

I was referring to the subject of this post.

g//plaZma
10-24-2003, 06:13 PM
Originally posted by mastern64
I was referring to the subject of this post.

If you read through this thread, most people said no.

-DK-Squee
10-24-2003, 08:11 PM
yep...they are, why? becuase they never TALK. They just wanna KILL KILL KILL...if they do talk, they complan about complaing. Is it me or is Jedi academy all about complaining? I play it becuase my friends play it, i like to hang out with my friends and do sum duels and ffa along with it. But lamers, they have no friends so they dont talk therfore the dont listen therfore they lame

g//plaZma
10-24-2003, 08:27 PM
Originally posted by -DK-Squee
yep...they are, why? becuase they never TALK. They just wanna KILL KILL KILL...if they do talk, they complan about complaing. Is it me or is Jedi academy all about complaining? I play it becuase my friends play it, i like to hang out with my friends and do sum duels and ffa along with it. But lamers, they have no friends so they dont talk therfore the dont listen therfore they lame

Ummm... wtf are you talking about? Most "lamers" are competitive gamers and belong to a team/clan/community. We do all our socializing, plans and chatting outside of the game (mIRC, AIM, MSN, etc.) The rest are casual gamers who just play for some quick fun.

Personally, I don't talk much in game (since I really couldn't give a flying rat's ass about the last time the other guy on the server got laid or w/e) but I do join in on the convo between duels on a duel server. mIRC is a great chat client, you know.

Rad Blackrose
10-24-2003, 08:31 PM
Also, text conversation is inefficient. That's why most use RW or TeamSpeak.

-DK-Squee
10-24-2003, 08:39 PM
your the exact type of person im talking about plazma

Rad Blackrose
10-24-2003, 08:45 PM
First of all...

http://www.ascendancy.net/tribalwar/grammar.jpg

Second of all, how do you complain about complaining? Does telling a person to STFU and take his death constitute complaining? Damn right it doesn't.

You do know when you assume, you make an ass out of you and me (which by the theory of relativity, cycles back to you again), correct? Your personal attacks are about par with kathybates' inability to flame in an on topic discussion on ravensoft's forums, much less be able to make a dent.

The competitive community itself is a friendship. Sure, fk may give kaoticz ****, or AX may be asking for an asswhipping by myself and a few others, but we're a community, and we're all friends. I'd be glad to knock down a few beers with these bastards, even iron.

So please, cry more.

-DK-Squee
10-24-2003, 08:54 PM
OMG! A GRAMMAR MISTAKE! I MUST KILL MYSELF NOW!






i hope you caught the sarcasm there, btw have you ever heard of free speech? its a good concept, i can say anything as long as it doesnt involve profanity

Giddamon
10-24-2003, 08:58 PM
Originally posted by -DK-Squee
i can say anything as long as it doesnt involve profanity

True, still your assumptions make no sense.

g//plaZma
10-24-2003, 09:07 PM
Can you please explain how me/the rest of the competitve community are anti-social just because we don't chat with other players in-game?

'Till you explain and give us examples of people you know (not just assumptions that a random "lamer" on a server has no friends), your theory is wrong.

Rad Blackrose
10-24-2003, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by -DK-Squee
i hope you caught the sarcasm there, btw have you ever heard of free speech? its a good concept, i can say anything as long as it doesnt involve profanity

Someone call Lance Armstrong, he needs to teach this person how to backpedal.

By the way, this is the internet. There is no such thing as the Constitution of the Internet, or the Internet Bill of Rights. Furthermore, this a privately owned forum. By registering to it, you consent to any action taken against you by any moderator/administrator.

So please, don't try to get into legal tangos with me in the free speech department, I happen to have a common thing for them.

Rumor
10-24-2003, 11:28 PM
Originally posted by -DK-Squee
your the exact type of person im talking about plazma

OH NO3Z H3 CALLE4D U A LAMER PLAZ?!@#!@#VIEF SEFVEN

-DK-Squee
10-24-2003, 11:43 PM
i cant talk anymore, ppl are getting too out of hand, everybody is just HATING me right now just because i said somthing so PLZ stop talking about me or anything i said becaise ppl are just getting too angry at me :( btw, if im not making sence, just dont listen and hate me like you are

Rumor
10-25-2003, 01:01 AM
Originally posted by -DK-Squee
i cant talk anymore, ppl are getting too out of hand, everybody is just HATING me right now just because i said somthing so PLZ stop talking about me or anything i said becaise ppl are just getting too angry at me :( btw, if im not making sence, just dont listen and hate me like you are

OHZN W3HAT HYOUZO MUCH ITSA NOT EVBEN HUMSOURUS

CortoCG
10-25-2003, 03:44 AM
Ppl, ppl, pls drop the dope before posting, my God, LOL. This thread keeps getting funnier and hotter each passing day, keep up. I'll add some spicy comments in the future if I see you're finally cooling down.

Btw, if you have something really funny that might happened to you, pls post it on the "we all love to play MP" thread, thankuverymuch.

-If you strike me down, I shall become more rotten and stinky than you can ever imagine- Me.

CortoCG
10-25-2003, 05:44 AM
Whoa! DANGER!!! Direct hits in here. Ok, this thread is prolly gonna be closed now cuz you're bitching directly each other.

This w0rld SuXX0rS!!!. Anyway.

To be honest... you have to say always the thruth and be a good boy scout. That means saber down = peace, no chat killing, and sucking my caulk.

WTF? Kaia? Did you pinch my ass again? You naughty!

Comm539
10-25-2003, 01:52 PM
"LAM3R!!!1111oneonetwotwo"



I actually played s/o ctf, but amazing my team won 1-0. Reason: Their fc runs and then camps on his flag with chat box up...no one could possibly kill him while hes chatting...oh wait this is ctf. I kill him and he spends the next two maps crying about ppl chatkilling him while hes camping on our pad.
You ppl are so pathetic. If you dont want to be chatkilled, dont chat. Its not irc or msn. Its not some glorified chatroom, its a game, so either play it or speak when you must, but quit crying that ppl kill you. Finsihing it off...big deal they killed you. Whoopady Doo. I advise you to go invest in a printing company and buy a lifetimes supply of badges. Good Fight.

Master William
10-25-2003, 02:30 PM
Again, the flaming starts, when will it end?
Why do you think they implented chat into the game? So we can CHAT! I'm not saying we should screw the gameplay and just chat, but you seem to be angered even if someone says ''hey man what's up'' once per hour.

I just played JK2, and guess if I was irritated. People went around kicking eachother, and the admins gripped you (force was turned off) with their empowerment as soon as you touched them.

It was FFA, and the rules were ''No FFA:ing, Only Duels!''

For the slighest thing you would do, people would call you a lamer.

Comm539
10-25-2003, 02:36 PM
I have no problem with ppl chatting, its when they start crying Lamer. See...this thread starters gone all to this trouble to cry about being lamed. How many good players scream lamer...none. They just get on with it. Its a game and if you cant handle someone shooting/sabering you then i feel extremely sorry for you. Good Fight.

Master William
10-25-2003, 02:43 PM
Well, the people that annoy me are those going ''MSN/mIRC/ICQ is for chatting, not JA''

That's what annoys me. They implented chat into the game so you can chat at times. I know it is irritating when it turns into a sort of chatroom, I'd rather have it normal.

Comm539
10-25-2003, 02:53 PM
I mean the game isnt a chatroom. Fine chat now and then. But if your going there just to chat, then use msn or something.
btw if you are there just to chat, why does it matter than someone kills you...get on with it.

Master William
10-25-2003, 02:57 PM
No I'm just complaining about what I said... But I understand.

I thought you meant that I'm not allowed to chat at all, that I shouldn't even use the chat function at all.

I understand now :)

CortoCG
10-25-2003, 07:50 PM
Friend will be friends!!! We you're of need of love they give care and attention, lol.

Flaming is good. Ppl understands things better when being slapped.

Comm539
10-25-2003, 09:12 PM
Indeed they do you frikin retard :P

AxVegetA
10-25-2003, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by Comm539
Indeed they do you frikin retard :P


ROFL

I suport the people who think that complaining about been killed while chating or saber off is absolutely stupid. Not to mention been kick-baned for that reason. I mean, chat all u want, but dont complain when geting killed while typing.


Viva el Perú CARAJO !!!!!!!!!!!!!

SpecialForces
10-27-2003, 02:05 PM
I think most lamers are fine... and its part of the game.
Without laming it would just be too perfect.....
But one time on Chop shop in jk2 My team mate got the flag, then did the arms behind your back pose and no one could kill him... I hated that especialy because he stoped the game.
Oh yea and I HATE jedi academy mod, for jk2, there are sooo manny bugs!

Rad Blackrose
10-27-2003, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by SpecialForces
I think most lamers are fine... and its part of the game.
Without laming it would just be too perfect.....
But one time on Chop shop in jk2 My team mate got the flag, then did the arms behind your back pose and no one could kill him... I hated that especialy because he stoped the game.
Oh yea and I HATE jedi academy mod, for jk2, there are sooo manny bugs!

How to kill people in emotes:

Lightning
Saber Throw
Kicks
Repeater secondary
Golan secondary
Rocket Launcher primary and secondary
DEMP (not sure on this one)
Thermal Dets
Mines
Place a bunch of Det Packs around a person, do a little dance, then detonate his ass.

GreenSmoke
10-27-2003, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by Rad Blackrose

The competitive community itself is a friendship. Sure, fk may give kaoticz ****, or AX may be asking for an asswhipping by myself and a few others, but we're a community, and we're all friends. I'd be glad to knock down a few beers with these bastards, even iron.



speak 4 urself fagt

this is pyro signing off

~ *******X

CortoCG
10-28-2003, 12:20 PM
Originally posted by Comm539
Indeed they do you frikin retard :P

Have we met? Hahahahaha.

Prime
10-28-2003, 01:18 PM
Originally posted by Rad Blackrose
Place a bunch of Det Packs around a person, do a little dance, then detonate his ass. By far the best one.

Rumor
10-29-2003, 02:26 AM
Originally posted by Prime
By far the best one.

haha yeah.

Kurgan
10-29-2003, 03:47 AM
<<<BANG!>>>

*Shoots the dead thread to prevent anyone beating it further*


Friend will be friends!!!

Right 'till the end... ; )