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Astrotoy7
10-25-2003, 04:20 PM
This was prompted by another thread, which referred to a UT SW mod.

The point was raised that as good as the mod appeared(and any other FPS SW mod), it shouldnt be compared to JO/JA because it doesnt have sabers in it. I am curious to find out what JO/JA players out there think about this.

The use of the saber, and the force, IMHO is central to the JK series, otherwise it would just be another FPS, star wars or not.

I am not referring to MP/SP specifically, I just want to see how many people out there are into this game mainly because it gives you the chance to wield a saber...which is undeniably exciting for a SW fan...

MTFBWYA

g//plaZma
10-25-2003, 04:43 PM
Nah, even though I play ff/saber only duels, I rarely use my saber other than to block and throw with the occasional back-slash and lunge. Force powers do the rest :)

ManaMana
10-25-2003, 05:33 PM
What is the game for?

Exactly... :p :p

Astrotoy7
10-25-2003, 05:59 PM
Mana said
What is the game for?

FUN WITH A SABER !! KUPO !!

Exactly...

:p

MTFBWYA !! KUPO !!
(sorry ManaMana....I dont mean to be patronizing with the KUPO bits, but I just **LOVE** FINAL FANTASY)

ManaMana
10-25-2003, 06:01 PM
And a Merry KUPO to you to... My friend!

Iblis Reborn
10-25-2003, 09:07 PM
i love using the saber

its the main reason why i play the game

hell i still play the snes games sometimes cause they have the saber :D

Rad Blackrose
10-25-2003, 09:25 PM
pfft, I've started playing ff/guns, and I don't use the saber anymore. Instead, I put the points I could have used in saber into the rest of the force powers. Plus, I automatically have access to level 3 dual handed lightning, and punching. A punching death against a saberist is the equivalent of knifing someone who is using an m4a1 in CS.

Master William
10-25-2003, 09:29 PM
I play it for the sabers, sure, but sometimes I like to turn off Saber Defense/Attack/Throw and use other force powers along with guns. Force Speed is a must for gunners.

Astrotoy7
10-26-2003, 03:14 AM
Nice to hear from you BlackRose :)

I just wanted to see how many others out there aren't too fussed by the saber. I cant say I'm hugely suprised by the results so far......

MTFBWYA

Kurgan
10-26-2003, 03:25 AM
Sabers and Force are the "meat" of the game, but that doesn't mean you can't enjoy it without them. That's just another neat "feature" of the game... a little something for everyone.

I honestly don't duel that much, to me the saber is just one of many weapons in your arsenal. I will engage in a saber challenge now and then for fun, but I have spent very little time on duel servers waiting my turn to clash sabers.

There hasn't been a non-force/non-saber SW FPS since Dark Forces really... so if that UT mod team wants to make one, more power to them. Just hope they don't get foxed by LA... after all, Republic Commando is coming out in 2005...



I guess to be honest I like this game because it's Star Wars (but that doesn't mean I like a game JUST because it's star wars, I admit there have been many terrible and mediocre SW games released in the past). I also like sci fi and I like sword fighting.

So the JK series has been pretty much a bunch of stuff I like all rolled into one. Suites me fine. ; )

And there is another internet-multiplayer game that features melee combat and magic powers... it's called Heretic II, made by none other than Raven software (on the Quake II engine).

I know Rune and Rune:Halls of Valhala feature multiplayer online Melee combat, but the "powers" in that game are all just weapon enhancements, not versatile powers like you see in JA (fun game though).

Kurgan
10-26-2003, 03:34 AM
Btw, here is a cool shot from a time when I was on a duel server.
; )

g//plaZma
10-26-2003, 03:43 AM
Originally posted by Kurgan
Btw, here is a cool shot from a time when I was on a duel server.
; )

Rad better have raped that IGF dude. After that match I've had with them, I really hate those guys. But nice shot anyways.

Kurgan
10-26-2003, 03:55 AM
LoL.. and a good time was had by all, but as you can see I'm on my way out as I took that pic, so I didn't see how it turned out.

; )

Azymn
10-26-2003, 05:12 AM
Sabers & Force powers are the only really unique things JKA offers me - if I wanna play with guns only I play somethin else.

eniaC
10-26-2003, 05:25 AM
I love the crackling sizzle of the blade ignition, makes me feel immortal, hehe.
Don't get me wrong I love my sniper rifle, and blaster pistol.
And ofcourse I wouldn't trade my force absorb, speed and mind trick for a thing and you gotta love those pull saber combos(can't get them to work in MP.
:(

If you Dark Jedi would quit using grip and lightning, it would be much obliged, I could allocate my points from absorb to protect and lvl 3 saber throw, thanks.
;)



shock1eniaCshock1

Rad Blackrose
10-26-2003, 05:27 AM
Originally posted by g//plaZma
Rad better have raped that IGF dude. After that match I've had with them, I really hate those guys. But nice shot anyways.

Actually, I believe I did take out Agen, but kurgan's server has a wierd thing with duel that whenever someone falls to their death, it lags up the server hardcore, as though it does the slow down associated with a saberist dying in SP.

Syzerian
10-26-2003, 05:30 AM
i mostly like it because i like games with magic and swords but also like futurist games aswell starwars gives me both:D
i like hacking stormys to bits with over the top dismemberment just like in severance heh thats a fun game too if anyone has played u know what i meen lol

Crow_Nest
10-26-2003, 12:50 PM
HELL YES!!!!

Without saber and force, the game will be sucky.

Giddamon
10-26-2003, 01:23 PM
I love sabers and force powers but I also like to play guns NF now and then (too bad there aren't much CTF guns NF servers around).

Alegis
10-26-2003, 01:35 PM
it's the combination of weapons and guns i like :) I wouldn't really mind a mod without the saber (just some variety)

HaruGlory89
10-26-2003, 01:37 PM
I'm not a multiplayer, but I do play with bots :o Don't laugh. I feel that the saber is what makes the Jedi Knight series special. However, I just love using some weapons like the Imperial Repeater.

Dilandau-Sama
10-26-2003, 02:29 PM
I rarely use guns. Its because there so un-starwarsy.

Astrotoy7
10-26-2003, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by HaruGlory89
I'm not a multiplayer, but I do play with bots :o Don't laugh. I feel that the saber is what makes the Jedi Knight series special. However, I just love using some weapons like the Imperial Repeater.

WOW ! FREAKY ! I DO ALL THE SAME THINGS !!! I love the repeater coz its fast, but the sabers are what makes the game. I mainly play with bots too. I love Lan games, though might get into more online stuff when I get my ADSL eventually,,,,,

MTFBWYA

eniaC
10-26-2003, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by HaruGlory89
I'm not a multiplayer, but I do play with bots :o Don't laugh. I feel that the saber is what makes the Jedi Knight series special. However, I just love using some weapons like the Imperial Repeater.

Hey , playing against Bots is great practice, There my sparring and warmup before I go Online.

Is it just me or are the bots actually somewhat difficult in this game unlike JO. I barely hit the kill limit before chewbacca bot and cultist bot did, they seem harder than tha rest w/ saber only on.
What stha deal with Boba, never scores more than 3 points with s/on or s/off setting, shouldn't he be more kick arse? He just runs around trying to mske precise hits with the blaster pistol and barely gets any kills, what a noob, sheesh, damn AI.

Would it be kinda cool if a Jedi could use his blaster pistol in one hand(for ranged attacks) and saber in the other(for melee).
Hope Luc Solar or Rad Blackrose don't see this, it has please flame me writen all over it(hence the kinda in bold), heck might as well make it saber in one hand and the heavy reapeter in the other, now that would rock(ofcourse you would have to use the latter in 3rd person, Or spend 2 days hacking to use 1st person with the saber).
;)

eniaC

P.S. Or even come out with a "shrub mod" like "RTCW" were you can pick up dead folks sabers, guns, etc.(and even clothing in siege, giving a new class, "Spy").

HELP...,MEDIC!...thanks...I NEED AMMO!...MOVE...OOPS...MEDIC HELP!...DEFEND THE OBJECTIVE...I'M ON DEFENSE...DISARM THE DYNAMITE...WE NEED AN ENGINEER...IM A SOLDIER!:)

g//plaZma
10-26-2003, 04:06 PM
Nah the bots are still amazingly stupid. I believe they probably seem hard to you because of the locational damage. A bot, I've noticed usually hits the head or chest. Play against the UT2K3 bots at Godlike and you'll see the meaning of a good bot.

Kurgan
10-26-2003, 04:28 PM
Actually, I believe I did take out Agen, but kurgan's server has a wierd thing with duel that whenever someone falls to their death, it lags up the server hardcore, as though it does the slow down associated with a saberist dying in SP.

That "lag" at the end of a fight is the slow motion death feature that Raven put into duels. It can be toggled off, and I think I will, because people whine incessantly about it and confuse it with real lag (supposedly some people get connection interrupted errors when it happens).

It happens anytime your opponent dies, even if they fell. Where it really screws things up is in Power Duel because everything is slow when the first person dies and sometimes it carries over to the next round.

Hopefully that's another thing Raven will fix in the patch. It's just cool to see, otherwise it's pointless.


I agree for the most part bots in JA are pathetic. They suffer from bad pathing in several of the maps (primarily Vjun ffa). I never played UT2k3, but UT had much much better bots. I'm sure it's hard to program good bots to use sabers and force, but they managed to somehow pull it off in JK2 (compare the bots on FFA_Bespin to the bots in any JA map)... even though they could still stand some improvement.

I also wish we could give them orders like in Q3. Anyway, I know modders are making improved waypoints and tweaks, but hopefully the patch will iron those out to a higher level of quality.

As far as bot skills go, I agree. The Kyle Katarn bot is especially disappointing. He sucks!

Most of the bots seem to favor saber (except for people like Fett who go for the BlasTech pistol) but they all too often turn their back on their opponent and backpedal towards them (but never use the backstab). They also switch weapons a lot but often you'll be chasing somebody with your saber out and they have a rocket launcher but instead of shooting they switch to saber and just run away.... doh~!



I rarely use guns. Its because there so un-starwarsy.

Lol! No comment necessary. ; )

Giddamon
10-27-2003, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by Kurgan
I agree for the most part bots in JA are pathetic.
The only decent bots I've found so far are the Jedi Trainer, Desann and Chewie with guns. I wonder why JA bots sux so bad considering that most of them where already present in JO and they where above avrage IMO.

MasterSidious
10-28-2003, 02:32 AM
Bots are pathetic because the AI in them is designed for self defense AND offense. In most games, the only thing bots CAN do it offense, but in jo/jka the bots suck (or blow) because they HAVE to do BOTH. It is just how they were made becasue the AI has to be made for duel also. You can easily make the AI of a bot though be shall we say (HOly * aggressive) which is pretty cool to try out :D but It takes time though :(

Astrotoy7
10-29-2003, 09:04 AM
Wow....the numbers speak for themselves.

For those of you who balk at the saber anyways, as KURGAN says, "More power to you !"

MTFBWYA

Sam Fisher
10-29-2003, 01:00 PM
No saber, no SW feeling.

BTW, Kurgan, that pic was a long time ago, eh?

Kurgan
10-29-2003, 03:46 PM
If you consider a few weeks "a long time ago", then yes it was.

; )

Point being, there's plenty of great Star Wars games that had zero saber/force combat in them.

Azymn
10-29-2003, 06:46 PM
Originally posted by Kurgan

Point being, there's plenty of great Star Wars games that had zero saber/force combat in them.

Agreed, but this thread is specifically regarding JA/JO; I for one am not drawn to the JK series because of their gun combat, which pales compared to other games IMHO. I'm in it for the saber combat and force. That's what sets it apart from the rest, for me.

Dance Commander
10-30-2003, 12:29 AM
The sad truth is that since seeing Star Wars for the first time, we've all wanted to be Jedi.

Upon hearing about SW:galaxies, how many of us wouldn't have straight away wondered about being a Jedi.

Plus, the Light saber is the coolest weapon in any game/film/book.

Astrotoy7
10-30-2003, 10:59 AM
Azymn said
I for one am not drawn to the JK series because of their gun combat, which pales compared to other games IMHO. I'm in it for the saber combat and force. That's what sets it apart from the rest, for me.

Exactly ! I have had heaps of fun w different SW games over the years(all the way back to ESB on the Atari 2600 !) I still can't get over Rebel Assault II....A wonderful SW gaming experience. But at the end of the day, the JK series is the jewel in the sw gaming crown.......

Plus, the Light saber is the coolest weapon in any game/film/book.

Ditto ! Gotta love the snap-hiss !

MTFBWYA

ManaMana
10-30-2003, 02:42 PM
One thing...

Why should we admit it?
They made the game for this, for gods sake!
Yeah, yeah, alot of people surely thinks:
Oh, Jedi Acadmey! What a splendid shoot 'em up! I can't wait for getting my hands at the Tenloss! Better guns then Counter Strike!

Don't forget, in all trailers of JA, wich weapon was most used? :p :D

mtropolis
10-30-2003, 04:00 PM
sabers are the main reason i play. orelse i could just have played anykind of FPS. Sabers are my favourite weapon in starwars, so naturally, i beat the game, without the help of other weapons. Like a real Jedi. In outcast, i cheated so i got the saber from level 1. Couldnt stand not havin it. Duels, i dont bother. To laime duelling. And the other persons always runs. Looks stupid. I love fighting the weakest sabercultist. He realy can fence alot like the movies sometimes. And i realy feel seuperior over him :) Specially when i spawn 10 of them, and hacks them all to pieces.

Astrotoy7
11-04-2003, 03:48 AM
Originally posted by ManaMana
One thing...

Why should we admit it?
They made the game for this, for gods sake!
Yeah, yeah, alot of people surely thinks:
Oh, Jedi Acadmey! What a splendid shoot 'em up! I can't wait for getting my hands at the Tenloss! Better guns then Counter Strike!

Don't forget, in all trailers of JA, wich weapon was most used? :p :D

Damn Right Mana ! KUPO !!

MTFBWYA

Prime
11-04-2003, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by Dance Commander
The sad truth is that since seeing Star Wars for the first time, we've all wanted to be Jedi.
Actually, I wanted to be Han.

But I do play JA for the lightsabers :)

w00ki3
11-04-2003, 05:11 PM
It the only reason I play.
Its a refreshing change from gun games and i dont think any other game is as different as star wars. I wont consider playing JK2/JA guns as they're just so poor compared to other gun games out there imo.
However sabers were the reason I played jk2. I shelved JA because it bored me after a month (come on SDK).

Kurgan
11-04-2003, 08:23 PM
What I argue with is the thing that people keep saying how "what makes JA unique is the sabers!"

What about Force+Guns? That's still just as different.

And if you want to get technical there are several other melee combat MP games out there. Rune/RuneHOV & Heretic II being two good examples.

The truth is, it's popular because it's Star Wars, it offers sabers, it offers force, it offers guns, it has MP & SP, it has editing, and it's a solid game.

It has a lot to offer to a lot of different tastes.

Does the guns combat "pale in comparision to other games"?

Hell no. What other games have Force+Guns combat? Sure you might say you have "rune match" type mods for some of those FPS games, but it isn't as complex and useful as the powers you get in JA. It's more like just powerups (speed up, armor, invisibility, mega damage).

Azymn
11-04-2003, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by Kurgan

What I argue with is the thing that people keep saying how "what makes JA unique is the sabers!"

What about Force+Guns? That's still just as different.
. . .
Does the guns combat "pale in comparision to other games"?

Hell no. What other games have Force+Guns combat?
Ah, Kurgan, I think we agree but we're shooting past each other: I'm in it for the saber combat and the force - neither of which is entirely unique in it's own right, as you've pointed out. For me, the gun combat pales in comparison with other games on the 'guns only' level, ala jedi vs merc or siege. It's great fun playin with guns n force, but the guns just don't hold up on their own for me. Frankly, if it didn't have the force and sabers, I wouldn't play it. I'm not trying to speak for the commmunity, just myself. =]

Astrotoy7
11-05-2003, 11:37 AM
Frankly, if it didn't have the force and sabers, I wouldn't play it. I'm not trying to speak for the commmunity, just myself. =]

Me too ! FPS and guns only...BORING. Im an RPG and sports gamer, the JK and EF series are the only instances I ever play FPS. I dont care how good the textures or AI allegedly are in whatever engine, I play these two specifically because I like the SW and Star Trek themes, and they are FUN ....

MTFBWYA