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Remirol Nacnud
10-28-2003, 03:38 PM
I was quite surprised earlier today.

Part of my fighting strategy is to keep myself in between my enemy and the health/shield respawns and hopefully stock up on said items and slice up my enemy whilst they're still low on health from my/their last attack.

So I was doing that as normal, and a few people started criticising me for 'picking up armour' in the middle of a fight. The same people had already been saying the same thing about someone else. They even started saying "kill Dunk(my in game name)" when I got into the lead.
Admittedly, fights can go on for a while when two people are good at avoiding each other and picking up the spawns, but come on, it's all part of being a good fighter, right?

What really took the biscuit for me was that a couple of these people(at least) were people using yawspeed.

So which of you thinks that stocking up is bad ettiquette, and which couldn't care?

Dethsaint
10-28-2003, 04:04 PM
If it is a FFA it's legal imho.

If it doesn't say specifically in the rules that pickups are forbidden blah blah blah... you can pickup all you want. :cool:

Prime
10-28-2003, 04:10 PM
If it's in the game, use it. :)

StormHammer
10-28-2003, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by Prime
If it's in the game, use it. :)

I second that motion. :thumbsup:

If it's an FFA server...then they can always challenge and duel privately, if they don't want to fight people who pick up health and shields.

Some players really need to get a clue. :rolleyes:

Remirol Nacnud
10-28-2003, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by Prime
If it's in the game, use it. :)
Don't you mean, if it's MEANT to be in the game, use it.
Otherwise you include all of those little bugs and exploits that are so much fun.

Kurgan
10-28-2003, 06:46 PM
People who whine about you picking up health/shields are, for lack of a better term... "ignorant."

If this was a Duel map there would be NO pickups of any kind, so if they are against that they should play there.

Or you could have a Saber Challenge, in which case you can't pickup health/shields and are limited in your force use.

Its possible for the admin to set it up so that there are no item spawns, so whining about this is stupid. Ignore them.

Sam Fisher
10-28-2003, 08:59 PM
Hehe, if they say that, call 'em LAMERS!

:p

Really, its just their opinion, why must it be yours?

Darth_Pnut
10-28-2003, 09:41 PM
Yea, I always go for the health/sheilds if they are around.

You know the MP level where your in the rift temple theres that room with the ledge and 100% sheild thing? Well i always kinda hang out in that room and snatch that up. Between that and heal I'm managed to stake out 15 kills w/o one death. Keep in mind a lot of it was luck, but that was fun.

D_P

cayqel
10-28-2003, 09:49 PM
As long as you don't turn off your saber and run for health/shields, whining about saberdown=peace if your attacked, I see no problem with it. Though camping on the spawn points is kinda weak, but a legit strategy none-the-less.

Master William
10-28-2003, 10:32 PM
Leave the server if you find idiots like that. In JK2 once, just because I was leading and winning, some guy shouted ''KILL WILLIAM!!!'' and the whole server was after me in a matter of seconds. Of course, I used my 1337 Jedi sk1llz to pwnz0r them. :rolleyes:

No, I had to /amsit in a dark corner with the Luke skin so they couldn't find me.

So anyway, I always do that (pick up health/armor nearby.), and no one whines about it.

Even if they are, I am admin at that server (it's a gameservers.net server) so I don't have to worry about getting kicked or chased or stuff like that.

Kurgan
10-28-2003, 11:03 PM
Personally I think people who use sabers are lame!

If somebody draws a saber in a game that is not how it was meant to be played! They are a lamer and a n00b and its almost the same thing as cheating!

I call upon everyone who sees these morons drawing their sabers in a JA game to immediately call vote and have them kicked, and if you're the admin, ban them permanently from the server!

Do whatever it takes to stop these fools who think they are cooler than everyone else because they can wave a saber around like they're some kinda jedi . ; p

Butt_Whisper
10-29-2003, 12:23 AM
I use the term "hording" for collecting the shields & health. In FFA, I do it constantly. Like Kurgan said, the admin's could remove them if they want: if they are there, hord the begeezus out of them!!!!!

g//plaZma
10-29-2003, 12:59 AM
Originally posted by Kurgan
Personally I think people who use sabers are lame!

If somebody draws a saber in a game that is not how it was meant to be played! They are a lamer and a n00b and its almost the same thing as cheating!

I call upon everyone who sees these morons drawing their sabers in a JA game to immediately call vote and have them kicked, and if you're the admin, ban them permanently from the server!

Do whatever it takes to stop these fools who think they are cooler than everyone else because they can wave a saber around like they're some kinda jedi . ; p

I agree. Stupid saber lamers... Every time I try to get a clear shot with my honorable tenloss disruptor rifle, I get slashed at by these stupid glowsticks and then when I'm peacefully walking around and I see someone with their glowstick down, I ignore them thinking they are as peaceful as I am but I'm wrong! The second I turn my back, I get slashed! WTF?!

;)

Ok, being serious... I've had a lot of people call me lamer and w/e in JK2 for running for medkits when my health is at like 20 and they're trying to land a red over-head swing right down the middle of my skull. I mean wtf? Do they expect me to stand there and take the hits with "honor?"

Andy867
10-29-2003, 01:23 AM
Hey Remirol Nacnud, did you ever mention that if YOU can pick up the health and Armor/Shields, THEY can pick the same items up as well... Whats so hard about diverting yourself for 15 seconds to pick up stuff that will help you to stay alive 4x as long if not longer with the right amount of Skillz, which roXors:)

Iblis Reborn
10-29-2003, 01:29 AM
why the hell not pick it up?

if u just ran by it they probably would pick it up (then say it was an accident of course)

screw that!!

this isnt even close to the exploits that we usually talk about

it IS however along the same line as kurgans sarcastic post

they LOVE saying what you can and cant do dont they!
no saber no guns no fists no fighting no health no shields
but bow!!....never forget to bow!!!!!
only bow :rolleyes:

MasterSidious
10-29-2003, 02:07 AM
If it's there, it's there for a reason :rolleyes:

Rumor
10-29-2003, 02:47 AM
Originally posted by Master William
Leave the server if you find idiots like that. In JK2 once, just because I was leading and winning, some guy shouted ''KILL WILLIAM!!!'' and the whole server was after me in a matter of seconds. Of course, I used my 1337 Jedi sk1llz to pwnz0r them. :rolleyes:

No, I had to /amsit in a dark corner with the Luke skin so they couldn't find me.

So anyway, I always do that (pick up health/armor nearby.), and no one whines about it.

Even if they are, I am admin at that server (it's a gameservers.net server) so I don't have to worry about getting kicked or chased or stuff like that.

oh the leet jedi skillz that you showed me and plazma the other day?

Syzerian
10-29-2003, 02:53 AM
i do it myself along with alot of people
im an honorable man if u dont want me picking up them shields duel me and that solves that:)
some people just abuse honor in game and they see that u have started a kata so they put down there saber and go wtf saber down=peace lmao. u do it back to them once and they have a fit at u:p

Kurgan
10-29-2003, 03:38 AM
All kidding aside, I've never seen anybody complain about me running to get health/shields in a game.

Besides, it's not like grabbing 20 health or 25 shields is going to save you when a saber hit can do 100+ damage anyway. ; )

Not since the days of JK1, and back then you could understand it happening because there was no "Duel Mode" or "Saber Challenge" thing setup, the best you could do was play custom maps that had no pickups on a NF server.

On my server, about the only things I hear people whine about are being killed while typing or with their saber down. I think IIRC one guy said I was "no jedi" because I killed him with guns repeatedly while he ran around swinging his saber (and not hitting me).

For the most part it's been pretty mild compared to some of the horror stories I've heard.

Oh yeah, and people whine about lag every time there's a map change or somebody joins. ; p

SlapNut
10-29-2003, 03:57 AM
well maybe in the patch, they wont put health in the main fighting areas or in the middle of the room, u'd always have to go out of ya way to get it

Andy867
10-29-2003, 05:55 AM
Patches aren't meant to FIX GAMEPLAY and User Requests... They are meant to fix gameplay BUGS and Glitches, like incompatible drivers and in-game browser and such. Stuff like what you want Slapnut and the other 100 or so that want gameplay "fixes" are really wanting Mods and such.. Not a patch.

Remirol Nacnud
10-29-2003, 07:29 AM
Originally posted by SlapNut
well maybe in the patch, they wont put health in the main fighting areas or in the middle of the room, u'd always have to go out of ya way to get it
There are a few like that already.

You know the map where everything is suspended above lava?
The central area that everyone ends up in has no spawns.
I love to stand there and sometimes kill person after person, or just get killed on my first fight.
It's a great feeling to have just a few health and then be a really lucky b4stard and get another kill.

Comm539
10-29-2003, 09:18 AM
Unless your in the middle of a duel and the other guy (noob) goes and runs for pickups. Thats not a strategy, that just shows your a poor player imo.
But running for pickups when you won or w/e othwer reason is k imo.

Remirol Nacnud
10-29-2003, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by Comm539
Unless your in the middle of a duel and the other guy (noob) goes and runs for pickups. Thats not a strategy, that just shows your a poor player imo.
But running for pickups when you won or w/e othwer reason is k imo.
I can't see anyone being bothered about running for pick ups in the middle of a duel, since it's about as pointless as a fish buying a bicycle.

Comm539
10-29-2003, 09:43 AM
It happens.

Akshara
10-29-2003, 10:01 AM
Unless your in the middle of a duel and the other guy (noob) goes and runs for pickups. Thats not a strategy, that just shows your a poor player imo.
Nope... it makes them a smart player, and even more so as they run past your disintegrating corpse. If you want powerups to not be a strategic aspect to consider, then as Kurgan said, challenge them to an official duel. But then again you're probably above that "noob crap"...

Comm539, I'm shocked... didn't take you for a whiner.

:p

Remirol Nacnud
10-29-2003, 10:07 AM
I think that he meant that they go running off for power ups when they can't pick them up......so it's n00bish behaviour.

Akshara
10-29-2003, 11:20 AM
That's not how it came across...

BloodRiot
10-29-2003, 11:31 AM
Not going for a health/shield pickup if you need them is as stupid as the red coats war strategy.

In a war, soldiers run for cover. Rambo is a fiction character that has the strange ability to make bullets dodge HIM. All heroes are dead.

JA is not a war, but the concepts to win apply to certain extent. Meaning you must use every advantage you can legally get in order to win.

So if the powerup is there... and you badly need it... heck go for it... otherwise they would not be put into the game in the first place.

I've played from q2, q3, ut, ut2k3, mohaa and several others and i've never seen anyone complain about guyX or guyZ always going for powerups... it seems that there's something funky about a game with pretty, and colorful glowsticks... i think Dr. Katz lost most of his clients to JO/JA.

StormHammer
10-29-2003, 11:36 AM
Originally posted by Kurgan
Oh yeah, and people whine about lag every time there's a map change or somebody joins. ; p

*holds up hands*

I surrender. :D

Nah...I'm not really worried about lag...unless it's during Saber-only FFA or Duels. Duels are no fun at all when your opponent seems to teleport across the room - and you die without even seeing their attack coming. Oh...and Siege, which unfortunately seems to be quite lag-prone. I'm sure there must be a net code fix for that...because one person with horrendous lag should not really lag the whole server, but that's what seems to happen.

But I digress. As Kurgan and others have already stated...a lot can be changed by the server Admins if need be. But personally I don't see the need. The game already caters for many of the things people are complaining about, if only they'd bother to utilise those features (like Duel challenges in FFA).

The only problem I see with Duel challenges in FFA at the moment is that you start the duel with the health you had before - so you could accept a challenge, and only have 20 health. Considering it resets your health to 100 at the end of the Duel (if you're the winner), I think it would make more sense if both players were reset to 100 health at the start of the duel as well.

I just ignore the complainers and get on with the game. If they want to spend their time whining about this and that, then that's fine. In the meantime I'll be using everything at my disposal to rack up frags... I mean...I need all the help I can get. :D

Sam Fisher
10-29-2003, 11:39 AM
Oh...and Siege, which unfortunately seems to be quite lag-prone. I'm sure there must be a net code fix for that...because one person with horrendous lag should not really lag the whole server, but that's what seems to happen

I've also noticed that the Hoth Seige isn't as laggy as Korriban, but its the Desert Rescue that lags the most. Korriban lags the least.

Remirol Nacnud
10-29-2003, 12:20 PM
Originally posted by BloodRiot
Not going for a health/shield pickup if you need them is as stupid as the red coats war strategy.


You mean walking in straight lines, rows of people, and shooting?

It may sound stupid, but then how do you explain that they were so successful?

Quillan
10-29-2003, 01:32 PM
How were they so successful? That's the way battles were fought back then. The rate of fire and accuracy of guns at the time was so bad that you had to use massed volley fire to achieve results. The American Revolution was about the point where more accurate firearms became used. Wars continued to be fought using the massed volley fire all the way up until really the First World War, when the development of the machine gun turned it into nothing but mass suicide.

BloodRiot
10-29-2003, 02:34 PM
*picturing thousands of men in rows on one side and one single man with a gattling gun on the other.* :D

Well i'm no historian or strategic genius... i can believe the massive fire volleys were effective... but the doors swings both ways... and of course someone always got hit. In fact im amazed how they could even stand there without actually running for cover.

Either way it's besides the point. The point was... powerups are legal, they are there, and should be picked up on need. :)

Remirol Nacnud
10-29-2003, 02:43 PM
It worked at the time, and when it stopped working, they stopped using that strat, so I don't see how stupidity occurs.

It's like saying that using swords is stupid because a machine gun could whup their ass.

But before machine guns came about(or any guns), it wasn't.

The X
10-29-2003, 02:44 PM
'Armour Gathering' is just another one of the many exuses lame players use for losing. Soon enough, good players will be criticised for walking too fast, or turning on their saber. Someone should put an end to these cries of 'lame'!

BloodRiot
10-29-2003, 02:55 PM
Remirol: Fine. Keep the bike. I'm not gonna argue.

That phrase was in fact superflous as my point as stated was... POWERUPS... if you got them... Use them.

Kurgan
10-29-2003, 02:56 PM
The only problem I see with Duel challenges in FFA at the moment is that you start the duel with the health you had before - so you could accept a challenge, and only have 20 health. Considering it resets your health to 100 at the end of the Duel (if you're the winner), I think it would make more sense if both players were reset to 100 health at the start of the duel as well.

There's another problem here. Once you start a Challenge it's possible to "sever" it (ie: run away and cancel the challenge mid-battle), so people could easily cheat by using this to gain health then run away!


PS: If the problem is people running to TRY to get health (even though they can't) in a Saber Challenge... well, just tell them that they can't grab powerups in a saber challenge, it just doesn't work. And if they keep doing it, laugh at the "n00b." ; )

Remirol Nacnud
10-29-2003, 03:01 PM
Originally posted by Kurgan
There's another problem here. Once you start a Challenge it's possible to "sever" it (ie: run away and cancel the challenge mid-battle), so people could easily cheat by using this to gain health then run away!



Yes, but if you can manage to run away in the duel, you can run away anyway. It doesn't take an uber oldbie to jump and run to find some health.

CastleBravo
10-29-2003, 07:41 PM
Could somebody make a script to auto-ban anybody who uses the words "lamer" or "noob" on a server?

:D

Kurgan
10-29-2003, 08:53 PM
Yes, but if you can manage to run away in the duel, you can run away anyway. It doesn't take an uber oldbie to jump and run to find some health.

Well that's 25 health vs. 100 health. It's still a big difference.

Dance Commander
10-29-2003, 11:05 PM
Could somebody make a script to auto-ban anybody who uses the words "lamer" or "noob" on a server

If only such a mod were available. I keep reading how kids "these days" (god im sooo old) are writing in Txt language in exams and essays.

Are people gonna be saying things like Leet, and using numbers and stupid icons in literature of the future? Surely, the term Noob wouldnt be bad, everyone was a "Noob" at some point. Just depends on how old you are and what you can afford.

Its like, goin over to some foreign country, removing their leader, saying you'd give them power but at the same time take more, sacrifice hundreds of soldiers, kill thousands of civialians, steal all their countries inc.... oh, sorry im ranting again, too much CNN for me. Sorry.

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