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CapNColostomy
11-01-2003, 05:46 PM
I thought I'd ask that, because I play alot of games online and otherwise. And this is by far the bitchiest, whiniest gaming community I've ever seen. Seriously. Go down through the list of threads here. I challenge you to find a positive topic (not counting sticky threads). And if you think the Counter Strike kiddies are bad about constantly saying haxOOred, nOOb, spam, and lamer, you need only play a game of JA to be proven wrong. Counter Strike kiddies are great compared to the crap-extravaganza in the typicle JA server. My favorite word slung around is "ghey". I assume that means gay. Kids anymore have some bizzare fascination with homosexuality and not being able to spell worth a ****. Weird, huh? Oh, and another good one is "pwned". Someone says this if they win with their "l33t skillz". As for what it means? Well, I'm not retarded, so I'm going to guess it means they pawned something. Probably a stupid-ass 8 Mile dvd, Kid Rock cd, or something else confused white children are drooling themselves to sleep with and passing off for entertainment. Anyways, I got off on a bit of a rant there. Back to the issue at hand. Someone out there has to like this game, just the way it is. Without bitching about DFA, yellow stance or whatever, katas, needing a patch, etc...Hello? Anyone there?

Mex
11-01-2003, 05:59 PM
I love the game as it is, it is perfect apart from all of the bashers and the haters out there. If they don't like it then they don't have to play it, so why the hell do they complain about it?

JediLurker
11-01-2003, 06:00 PM
There are many of us here that like the core gameplay, myself included. All of that other stuff I couldn't care less about, but it does need a patch to correct the more serious bugs.

StormHammer
11-01-2003, 06:24 PM
Everyone's entitled to their opinions...and this being a 'discussion forum', they're free to post here about it (as long as it's not a flame).

As for pwned...it's actually a supposedly 1337 variation of owned. Largely because some people kept hitting the wrong key...and thought it would be a good idea to make it into a 1337 word in it's own right.

Sad, I know...but no accounting for taste.

As for those who love the game as it is, and have no problems with anything at all...congratulations. Glad you're enjoying the game the way it was designed.

However...other people can see issues with it, and they're free to air their views. There have been some good ideas posted in these forums to 'improve' the game - or any future sequels. I don't see anything wrong with people wanting a 'better' experience, or pointing out perceived flaws.

But in a way you're right. It does lead to a lot of whining and bitching... That's life.

Smerdyakov
11-01-2003, 06:58 PM
"Some people in this "community" do actually like this game, right?"


No.

Akshara
11-01-2003, 07:18 PM
I'm one who lOves the game... one of my favorites, and in the same "fun" category as EF:Voyager, Dungeon Siege and Wizardry 8. And in my humble opinion (imho), a whole lot more enjoyable than Jedi Outcast was to play - both SP and MP. That's just me though...

I challenge you to find a positive topic (not counting sticky threads).

Hmmm... ok.

My oh My! How I love MP Playing! (http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=115797) (lots of good fun here)

Funniest way you have died (http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=115225) (these people seem to be enjoying themselves)

If you could change one thing about JA (http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=116497) (most of these people think it's pretty good just as it is with only minor improvements needed)

And these are all on the front page... maybe you need to look just a little harder. Even the negative threads have lots of people voicing they're approval and support for JA. Kurgan seems to like it quite a bit, as does Prime, Astrotoy, CortoCG, Vanor, Master William, and a whole bunch of other people. Most of the people I meet online seem to be having fun too. Maybe try some different servers...



;)

shukrallah
11-01-2003, 07:21 PM
I like it, i played siege a few times, now im stuck with the demo till christmas. I like the demo a lot, i just got bored after playing with it over 50 times (really) I did all know to do with it. The only things that need to be patched are the server bug, the CD bug, and the ATI bug... other than that, maybe a little support (1 or 2 maps, and maybe a new model...) im only asking for like 2 more maps.... and a new model or 2 (dont get me wrong, when i looked at the models available, i liked them, they were very nice.)

I didnt like it in JK2 when i had JUST learned all of the saber moves, and had them perfectly mastered, then i got the patch, and had to learn them again... well really i thought i was just messing up or something, later i figured out it was the patch. I didnt find to much different about the game, nor did i care... i just liked JK2. It was fun, and it still is.

Ill get the JA patch, whenever it is released, chances are, it will be released before i get the game, so ill install it, and thats the way the game will be for me... and ill never really know how the original was, if it even changes.

RigoR_MortiS
11-01-2003, 08:10 PM
I love JA and I "bitch" about DFAs. so what?

Taran'atar
11-01-2003, 09:02 PM
Parents of small children tend to trust a Star Wars game more than Half-Life, or Medal of Honor, or most other first person shooters. Star Wars games are almost certainly much less bloody and violent than most FPS's. So if their kid wants a shooter game, and the parent sees Star Wars: Jedi Academy or Half Life 2, guess which one they're gonna choose. Of course, kids like to whine and bitch a lot. That's why there's so much whining, bitching and horrible spelling in this forum and in the game.

Don't worry though. There are a few grown ups hangin' around.

BJP3E
11-01-2003, 09:41 PM
but am having a hard time learning to work in MP

Comm539
11-01-2003, 09:52 PM
yes and txt messaging has horrible spelling because only children own mobile phones...or maybe its because its quicker to type txt than text.
pwn, 1337, n00b etc are just variations. Noticably I've only ever seen people who are poor at playing who have time to whine about speeling. Good Fight.

Darf Seddeas
11-01-2003, 10:44 PM
This is mah most best game ever an ever. I can be teh powreful warrior and fite all teh siff or i can be evil and fight obi wankernobi and i can B like teh movies wif litening and katars. It is bestest game i ewver playered.

Bilirubin
11-01-2003, 11:09 PM
Heh.

I think JA is outstanding, and really like the additions to sabre combat over JKII:JO.

I'd post more, but I want to go play...

Bilirubin, aka. Cal-Gon Gin

Master William
11-01-2003, 11:56 PM
I do like it, but I've never seen such a complicated... yet whiny... community for a game. I see it as a fight- and chat arena, sometimes I just screw fighting and I just watch other people fight, and I just sit and relax in a corner or something. This of course being at the server I am admin at, of course. (This meaning all gameservers.net servers)

Kurgan
11-01-2003, 11:59 PM
Nah, I think a lot of people like the game a lot, though we all want the bugs like the server browser bug and the bad bot routes fixed.

The "whininess" of the community (at least on these forums) is about on the level with the whininess after the two patches of JK2.

The fact is a lot of people treat JA (and continue to treat) it like a patch (JK2 1.05) or an expansion and this is just round three to them.

I'm not saying all of their criticisms are invalid, but it's just logical to whine about the same stuff when you see it as something that will be fixed if you complain loud enough (I'm talking about gameplay changes here...).

You'll know you're dealing with these people when you hear stuff like "the battles aren't enough like the movies" or "this game takes no skill at all."

I say each to his own, everybody's got an opinion. Hate JA and Raven as much as you want, knock yourself out. Just don't flame others who don't agree and besides.. what are you wasting your time here for?

Most of the stuff people are demanding (beyond bug fixes) won't happen in any official patch anway, more like a new game entirely. So do us a favor and come back in 3 years and see if it's to your liking...

But, let's be careful or this will turn into yet another flame thread and be closed. ; p


As to the "whiners" joining games, I've been lucky I guess. The people that join my server by and large are respectful and there to just enjoy the game. I have gotten a handful of people who whined about stuff ("that was lame!" "*** lag!!" etc) but most of them either left (and didn't stick around to whine) or else shut up when they realized I wasn't going to let them run my server for me. That's the thing, you just have to be firm and put your foot down, let people know you're hosting a server of your own good will to enjoy the game, not listen to people complaining about how you're not honorable enough or question your sexual orientation or whatever.

IG-64
11-02-2003, 12:05 AM
i love this game, i play it everytime i get a chance, we can all dream the impossible can't we?:D

and, well, everything can get continually better and better and even better untill that particular catigory, in this case a starwars game, is the greatest in the universe. so there will always be the "whiners". and for the "1337" people, well, thats why I don't play MP. :p

cheapherk
11-02-2003, 12:25 AM
I love it, but don't play it much anymore because I'm so F#&#&#in' tired of people running around w/ sabers down and bitching for getting attacked. I've posted about this before, but it really angers me. Try playing another game with Free-For-All (i.e. Deathmatch, like UT2003, SOF2,STEF2, MOHAA, etc.) and see how many people you find running around w/ no weapon. You Sabers Down sissies ruin the multiplayer aspect of the game. These are the people who do all the crying, whinning, and complaining. If you want to Role Play go pick up a copy of SWG.

Kurgan
11-02-2003, 04:34 AM
Yeah, I know what you're going to say, we whine about the whiners. That will probably never change...

Shakey Mac
11-02-2003, 06:54 AM
eh, check out the warcraft 3 forums at battle.net for some REAL whininess. the people here aint got nothin on the WC3 guys.

i hate to stereotype, but the ones who seem the MOST whiniest seem to be the night elf players. follow by human and then undead/orc and random in last.

not to say ALL night elves are whiny, just most. the ones who arent whiny actually know how to play the game.

imagine that....whiny people not knowing how to play the game....what are the odds? *oozing sarcasm from pores*

Astrotoy7
11-02-2003, 07:58 AM
yep. I love JA too. Saberstaff, speeders, tauntauns, wampas, rancor(s), HOTH, VJUN !!

MTFBWYA

CapNColostomy
11-02-2003, 09:28 AM
Eh, thanks for replying everyone. Well, almost everyone. At any rate, it's nice to know I'm not the only person COMPLETLEY satisfied with the game as it is. And as for the people who aren't? SCREW THEM. Just kidding. Some of you made good points as well. I got it off my chest, so I'll "stfu" about it now. ;)

CapNColostomy
11-02-2003, 09:34 AM
Originally posted by cheapherk
I love it, but don't play it much anymore because I'm so F#&#&#in' tired of people running around w/ sabers down and bitching for getting attacked. I've posted about this before, but it really angers me. Try playing another game with Free-For-All (i.e. Deathmatch, like UT2003, SOF2,STEF2, MOHAA, etc.) and see how many people you find running around w/ no weapon. You Sabers Down sissies ruin the multiplayer aspect of the game. These are the people who do all the crying, whinning, and complaining. If you want to Role Play go pick up a copy of SWG.

BAH! You know what really gets me about the saber-down-clowns? When they turn it off during a fight to run off and grab a med pack! I'll gut ANYONE who does this, I swear! Go on and cry to the server admin after I take your head off. I'll gladly take a kick if I can take a limb off of you first. :mad:

KaiaSowapit
11-02-2003, 10:31 AM
Granted stuff gets buried around here quick, with varying rants about how sucky Raven is or how katas have ruined teh game, but you should check this thread out:

My Oh My! How I love MP playing. (http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=115797)

Oh crap, Akshara beat me to it. Well, just take it as another vote for a good thread. :)

And yeah I agree, excessive bitchin is a royale pain in the ass - that's why I've instituted a whiner kick policy on my server.

SlapNut
11-02-2003, 12:26 PM
well i didnmt understand alot of thoes nerdy gaming words u used like noob or 1337, is that the year u were born or something? all i can say is that i like playing ja and killing people in a cheap way, its all good. go ja

Darth_Misery
11-02-2003, 01:57 PM
Gameplay-wise, I'm 100% happy with JA as is. I'd like to see a patch that addresses the server bug, the MP sound clipping issues and I'd like to see the net code worked on a bit.

As far as the negativity that abounds in the JK community as a whole, well, I've learned to live with it for the sake of the gameplay that's offered. It doesn't mean that I like it or support it in any way whatsoever.

I cut my MP teeth on Half-Life, Quake 3, Unreal & Unreal Tournament, the Aliens Vs Predator series, the Descent series, the Freespace series (miss that one tremendously) and I was completely shocked when I started playing the original Jedi Knight online. Back then, it was on the MSN Gaming Zone. You couldn't go in there without being blasted in the lobby by the most immature, racist and homophobic dialogue ever imaginable. It got so bad that there would be 3 to 5 admins monitoring the JK lobby at any given moment. This was new to me because my MP gaming experience at that time had been nearly devoid of this nonsense.

I was thrilled when JK2 came out with dedicated server support and left the MSN Gaming Zone for good. I hoped to leave the kindergarten banter behind. No such luck.

They're everywhere but they're easily ignored. I've also noticed many JA servers with admins that have a very low tolerance for the whining, name-calling, etc. I generally ignore the chat in MP JA. I'm not there to chat to begin with.

There are many adult gamers in the JA community. They're usually better players, better conversationalists and better sports than the kids who play this.

(sigh) It's a double-edged sword. This is currently the only MP game with the saber/sword style of melee combat. The Star Wars twist gives it an extra edge. I've conditioned myself to generally ignore the immaturity, the racism, the homophobia and anything else that I might have left off to get more enjoyment out of the game itself.

Pedro The Hutt
11-02-2003, 03:01 PM
I tend to keep myself to a select few servers where the people generally speaking are quite nice and mature, or fun loving ^.^ So most of the time I have good times when playing JA, ahh... how I adore the game.

IG-64
11-02-2003, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by SlapNut
well i didnmt understand alot of thoes nerdy gaming words u used like noob or 1337, is that the year u were born or something? all i can say is that i like playing ja and killing people in a cheap way, its all good. go ja

I don't enjoy MP playing, not for the design, but for the people, they seem to do everything you don't want them to do. As for the nerdy gaming words, I take that as annoying. And you know, if you flip the 3s around put a verticle line through the 7 and erase the stems of the 1 you get leet, uhh... sort of. Witch, I guess, is supposed to be 'leet a sorry excuse for an abbrevaiton of eliete. Hope that helps ;)

eniaC
11-02-2003, 07:38 PM
Originally posted by CapNColostomy
Go down through the list of threads here. I challenge you to find a positive topic (not counting sticky threads).

Kinda sad isn't it?

Personally I am having a blast with the game in MP(havn't played in almost a week though) and SP, my son is also having a blast as well playing as Luke in SP against the NPC spawns I throw in for him.

:r2d23:eniaC

SirYawnalot
11-02-2003, 09:26 PM
Well, there's one good thing to say about JA: it was nice filler till Max Payne 2 came out. :D

Just kidding, although MP2 happens to be the best game I've played this year (by several country miles. Also looks a damn sight better than HL2 and Doom 3). JA SP is pretty much flawless other than the menu interface, I had a really good time with it. MP has bugs and a couple of balancing issues, and I don't think too much of Siege, but at the bottom of it, it's a good game. I've had some brilliant duels that make the games I've played in JK2 look like a couple of preteens fencing with felt-tips.

What I want to know is why it's been... what... two months now? and we still haven't had even an announcement of a patch yet. Maybe there is a patch but LucasArts are putting it through rigorous quality assurance testing, but considering that most games have a patch out that corrects most issues within a week of its release, it's all somewhat disappointing.

Kurgan
11-02-2003, 11:40 PM
Well I'm not 100% satisfied with JA... there are some really annoying bugs that I want to see fixed (namely poor bot support and the server display bug) and Single Player could have been a little more polished and in-depth (plot wise and in terms of little details like the player voices and things).

But, that said I like the game a lot, and in most respects I feel it's superior to Jedi Outcast (a game I loved despite IT'S flaws).

I think it's an improvement and I've had a lot of fun hosting and playing it.

I just hope that LA allows Raven to give this game the support it deserves in terms of (responsible) patching and necessary editing tools like the SDK.

Cal-Gon Gin
11-03-2003, 12:19 AM
Storywise it is a little light (as was JK:JO IMHO) but the maps are amazing and the fights a riot. The puzzles aren't exactly Half Life innovative, but not bad.

I just discovered that if you hit force speed + jump you take off like a rocket and go into fun slow motion animations--and get some grand distance! Excellent touch!

Celluzion
11-03-2003, 03:45 AM
You like to stereotype children to homophobic and illiterate people do you? (I don't know, I seem to find his comments kind of offending, I'm 14.)

Well back on topic, I love this game, its currently my favourite game, I've replayed it over 10-20 times and I'm STILL not bored of it.

Yes, I have to admit, some aspects of the game are weak, like the storyline, but I never really cared for storyline, unless its a game like Max Payne. ( Max Payne 2's noir love story sounds intriguing too)

I don't have much to say here because I'm not a big MP fan, because my computer is slower than camels on weed.

CapNColostomy
11-03-2003, 04:22 AM
Originally posted by SirYawnalot
Well, there's one good thing to say about JA: it was nice filler till Max Payne 2 came out. :D

Just kidding, although MP2 happens to be the best game I've played this year (by several country miles.

DITTO!

Prime
11-03-2003, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by Smerdyakov
"Some people in this "community" do actually like this game, right?"


No. I like this game a lot.

Thus your statement is false.

QED

CapNColostomy
11-03-2003, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by Prime
I like this game a lot.

Thus your statement is false.

QED

The best part is the fact that the guy was in here reading at all. Without even mentioning that he bothered to register and post, I find it very comical that he enjoys reading about a game he doesn't even like. JA-The game you love to hate, I guess.

Vanor
11-03-2003, 06:47 PM
Generaly speaking, rants/complaints/whines always outnumber postive comments on a public board. This makes sense though, because those who enjoy the game are playing it. Those who aren't feel a need to tell everyone else exactly why they don't.

Which I never understod, why should the fact that you feel this, that and the other thing suck, must mean I agree with you, or alter my opinion of the game...

But I guess that's human nature at it's base...

Prime
11-03-2003, 08:32 PM
The thing that amplifies the problem in JA is that gameplay changes were actually made in JO after a lot of complaints. Now everyone thinks the louder they shout, the more likely they will get their changes in the game.

Kurgan
11-03-2003, 08:43 PM
Yeah and the thing is, let's say hypothetically that Raven DID listen to requests from whiners.

Which whiners do they listen to?


As you know there are people whining about contradictory things. People say staff is too powerful. Others say its too weak. Some say Duals are too powerful. Others say too weak. Some say the force is "nerfed" others say it's "lame." Some say Katas are "worthless" others say they are "spammed."

Some say the game takes skill, others say its "too n00b friendly."

And do they listen to the people posting on this forum, or do they listen to the ones on Raven Software forums? JK3files? Massassi? The MSN Gaming Zone? TheForce.net? Gamespy? Starwars.com? Emails? IRC?

If it were just a matter of correcting what whiners demand they'd go insane just trying to sort through all the different complaints all over the internet!

This isn't an official forum, so what makes the opinions here any more worth listening too than the others? But they probably don't think about that when they post their complaints.

And I laugh too when I see people trying to 'establish their credentials' for complaining about the game. Do you honestly think that Raven has heard of or keeps track of what clans are out there or who consider themselves the best player?

Unless you've won international renown by winning some huge $$$ prize in an official competition or two (like that guy "Thresh" did for Quake/Doom whatever back in the day) or made some incredibly innovative and popular mod (like the guy who made Coloseum) they probably don't know you from Adam. Anybody can claim they are the "elite" but what does that matter to them anyway?

You're just one of hundreds of thousands (or millions) who bought a game with an internet handle. ; )

SirYawnalot
11-03-2003, 10:33 PM
I'm sure Raven are perfectly adept at what to listen to and what not to: all PC games developers (particularly FPS ones, and even more so ones that are played online) pick up this skill over time, because online PC gamers are so incredibly vocal (I won't call it whinging because some of the criticism can be helpful and constructive), and Raven are veterans of the genre. The rule of thumb is that if people from Raven post with any degree of frequency at a forum, that's the forum where people are most likely to be heard.

Raven listened to some of the better criticisms from JK2 for their later patches, and although some people think the changes were for the worse, these people are frankly jerks and shouldn't be listened to :P. Raven knew that, that's one reason why we haven't had another patch for it. In my experience, complaining constructively in the right places can lead to good things.

g//plaZma
11-04-2003, 01:21 AM
JA is my favorite chat client since mIRC. :cool:

Master William
11-04-2003, 10:46 AM
Why? You can't ignore anyone, and you can't use the /me command!1!!!!!1111

SirYawnalot
11-04-2003, 11:38 AM
You can ignore someone by killing them (or kicking them off the server), and you can do a /me by actually doing something. :P

Sivy
11-04-2003, 11:40 AM
i love this game, bravo raven! i say :clap2:

its just human nature to complain about things no matter how trivial.
i love the game but even i agree with the complaint that SP was a bit short or alot of the missions weren't long enough.

bodstevens
11-05-2003, 02:02 AM
I was really disapointed in JA, my buds that played outcast won't touch JA with a 10 foot pole many reasons posted many, many times in this forum.
Playing lots of BF1942 SW and Call Of Duty.
Call Of Duty a great game... MP rocks in it.. Like AA and Moh mixed with a hint of cs.
No big clans playing this game.
Oh and siege is not anywhere as cool as they led us to believe, I found it un-fun because of the low quality of team work and a bad combat system to work within.
Ill play s/o ff in JO thanks more peeps are playing it...
Very disapointed....:mad:

CapNColostomy
11-05-2003, 09:15 AM
Regarding BF1942: DC is the $#!+.

Prime
11-05-2003, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by bodstevens

No big clans playing this game. Thank God. :)

bodstevens
11-05-2003, 07:33 PM
lol

This game could be much more than it is and they dropped the ball. Also Raven is cool but as a buyer of just about all the games they have made in the past few years..(SOF 's ST ef jk ja ect... )
They always have the attitude that modders can finish stuff they started. like st ef and jo felt unfinished in MP mode.If feels like they never test themp sections of the games. And the lack of maps.. jo and ef off the top ofmy head...
It just make this game paleby comparing itto other games..
And I for 1 am a huge SW fan and online gamer and feel likethey didn't try to make it on par with ither mp games out there.
damn look at all the guys playing counter still after what 5 years?....

I wish this game didn't stink so bad..

PS
Prime I remeber fighting you, laz,arty and Dr Shaft Good times with pro mod we did have...sigh too bad no one plays it still...

txa1265
11-06-2003, 12:35 AM
I love this game.

Plain and simple.

It is twice as long (SP, which is what sells licensed games to the masses) as any of the other popular games now, and I found it very replayable.

Excuse me, I have a female human named Jaden who has an itch that can only be scratched by slicing some Stormtroopers to attend to ...

Mike

CapNColostomy
11-06-2003, 03:34 AM
Originally posted by bodstevens


This game could be much more than it is

That goes without saying. What game couldn't be more than what it is?

txa1265
11-06-2003, 08:04 AM
Originally posted by CapNColostomy
That goes without saying. What game couldn't be more than what it is? Ahhh ... isn't that the truth ... ?

Even GameSpy's 5-star darling Halo, ironically made it at #10 on most over-rated because of the many shortcomings, all of which are still there.

The question is not if the game met your dreams, but your realistic expectations.

JA fell a bit short of mine in some ways, exceeded them by a bit in others. In total, it just feels good to me to play it.

Mike

Prime
11-06-2003, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by bodstevens

Prime I remeber fighting you, laz,arty and Dr Shaft Good times with pro mod we did have...sigh too bad no one plays it still... Hmmm. I never played with promod, so that probably wasn't me. :(