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Sherack Nhar
11-05-2003, 08:21 PM
Note: I'm going all-out on spoilers here, so don't read if you haven't seen it yet (unless you simply don't care).

I just came back from seeing Matrix: Revolutions, since it opened today.

I'll start off by saying that I was one of the relatively few supporters of the Matrix Reloaded. Many people didn't like it, but I thoroughly enjoyed all the questions it raised, no to mention the kung fu! It had awesome action scenes and it made us wonder for six months what was the truth about the Matrix and everything that revolves around it.

Well as of today, the wait is over. And after seeing Revolutions, I can say that this was the most worthless wait for a movie I have ever experienced.

Don't get me wrong, there are definitely some good parts in Revolutions. But as a whole, I'm trying really hard to not call it a downright POS. Where's the kung fu? The only memorable action scene to me was the final fight between Neo and Smith. It felt a bit like Dragonball Z to me but it was great. But somehow, even though the movie is about 2 hours 10 minutes, it feels like they rushed into the scene. It felt out of place, because Smith hardly gets any screentime prior to it.

I wish they didn't try to address Gloria Foster's death from a plot standpoint. But I will overlook the fact that the replacement actress didn't live up to the standards set by Gloria - that was to be expected.

Yes, Revolutions does answer a lot of questions that were triggered in Reloaded. But the problem lies in those answers; they just plain suck. We were led to believe that Neo would cause a "cataclysmic system crash" because he chose the door to his left. So the question was, "how could this happen? How is Neo going to prevent the death of billions of people?" And the answer is something along the lines of "The architect just didn't know what he was talking about. There's no system crash."

I'm gonna end it here for now and see what you guys have to say. Who knows, maybe some of you will have enjoyed it.

SE_Vader_536
11-06-2003, 12:36 AM
Wow... sounds like crap to me yet still it invites people to watch due to the "mystery element in your post.

(Yay! I made a post for the first time in three months! Sorry no thread about it...)

Snafu7
11-06-2003, 01:07 AM
I enjoyed the movie, but what i didn't get was the end, did Neo die or live?

Darth Homer
11-06-2003, 03:56 AM
Standard disclaimer: spoilers below (if you've come this far I guess it's a little late to warn you off), maybe some pirates too, beware!! ARRR!!!




I believe Neo died...and I also think that Mary Alice (new Oracle) could not have possibly lived up to Gloria Foster's (old Oracle) performance. Though, I did notice in my theater that many people did not understand what happened to the Oracle. I, having played Enter the Matrix several times through, knew that the Oracle had to change shells because the Merovingian wants her dead for some reason (something to do with the girl that was never fully explained and merely glossed over in the film). Changing shells must be a difficult thing to do because it seems that most of her memories were either lost or got jumbled up. Anyway, I am still confused on a few points and will probably have to go see it again to fully understand.

And now for the pirates...

Praetorian
11-06-2003, 11:55 AM
Wait a minute, you mean the end doesn't really have a conculsive end? They don't tell you if the machines die and Neo lives? What kind of ending is that?

BTW - I thought there wasn't supposed to be a system crash. I thought the system only crashed if Neo took the right door and he took the left. I was sure it only crashed if Neo took the right door and then he would have to choose some people from the Matrix to help him start a new Zion.

Also, what about the whole, Neo feeling the sentinals in the "real" world?

Sherack Nhar
11-06-2003, 03:01 PM
Originally posted by Praetorian
Wait a minute, you mean the end doesn't really have a conculsive end? They don't tell you if the machines die and Neo lives? What kind of ending is that?

BTW - I thought there wasn't supposed to be a system crash. I thought the system only crashed if Neo took the right door and he took the left. I was sure it only crashed if Neo took the right door and then he would have to choose some people from the Matrix to help him start a new Zion.

Also, what about the whole, Neo feeling the sentinals in the "real" world?
1) Yes there is a conclusive end, but not the kind that you would expect. The machines and the humans end up simply making a truce and try to coexist. Which doesn't make sense; how can the humans possibly accept the fact that other humans are still grown and born in slavery by the machines?! The machines could not possibly survive without humans. At the end of Revolutions, the only difference with the situation at the start of the Matrix saga is that the machines will no longer harass the humans outside the Matrix; they will even free the minds of those who want out. It's a stretch; a BIG stretch.

2) No. According to the architect:
- The door to the right leads to the source, where the cycle continues. By choosing this door, the path of the One ends as it's supposed to and Zion is annihilated by the machines, and then rebuilt with 16 females and 7 males (handpicked by the One from the Matrix).
- The door to the left leads back to the Matrix, causing a "cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the Matrix". Coupled with the destruction of Zion, that would lead to the extinction of the entire human race.

Neo chose the door to the left.

3) About Neo feeling the machines outside the Matrix: that's another "answer" that disappointed me greatly. Whereas the end of Reloaded spawned countless theories (the most popular one being that the machine world was still another Matrix, e.g. nested Matrices). It turns out that the Oracle gives this simple answer: "The powers of the One extends beyond the world of the Matrix".

End of story *shrugs*

Praetorian
11-06-2003, 04:24 PM
ya know, I always thought the architect was a big fat lier. I guess I was right...or he just didn't know what he was talking about.

one more question...did it have any more um...questionable scenes like reloaded did?

Fishflesh
11-06-2003, 05:27 PM
i told guys time after time that the matrix sequels are not that good...

finaly you see it yourself
up to matrix 4!!!!

it's all about the monny .. and i don't think its funny.

Sherack Nhar
11-06-2003, 06:08 PM
Originally posted by Praetorian
one more question...did it have any more um...questionable scenes like reloaded did? There were no questionnable scenes in Reloaded. If you're talking about the tribal scene, it had its place in the movie; it had a purpose. So to me, it's not questionable at all.

The Cheat
11-06-2003, 09:54 PM
the effects were good. much better then the second one in my opinion

lukeiamyourdad
11-06-2003, 10:04 PM
I think they knew that people will go see the movies whether it's good or not so they kind of didn't care about the quality of anything.

pbguy1211
11-07-2003, 12:53 AM
Originally posted by Praetorian
one more question...did it have any more um...questionable scenes like reloaded did?

If you're implying boobie shots... then yes.

lukeiamyourdad
11-07-2003, 12:56 AM
:rolleyes:

Always looking for boobs...

Eets
11-07-2003, 01:17 AM
Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad
:rolleyes:

Always looking for boobs...

Can you blame the man?

Err.. I mean uh.. >_>

Darth Homer
11-07-2003, 01:32 AM
Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad
:rolleyes:

Always looking for boobs...

He must look in the mirror an awful lot...

[crowd of people]OOOHHHH!!! You TOTALLY dissed him!!![/crowd of people]

Go away!! Quit following me!! stupid crowd of people....

Eets
11-07-2003, 01:42 AM
Originally posted by Darth Homer
He must look in the mirror an awful lot...

[crowd of people]OOOHHHH!!! You TOTALLY dissed him!!![/crowd of people]

Go away!! Quit following me!! stupid crowd of people....

They wouldn't perhaps be banging two halves of coconuts together while you walk, and singing merry tunes of your harrowing courage, would they?

STTCT
11-07-2003, 07:38 AM
Face it - they threw in the nakidness to get people to see it. End story.

Sherack Nhar
11-07-2003, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by STTCT
Face it - they threw in the nakidness to get people to see it. End story. Hardly. It's not advertised in any way, and it's not in the trailers of TV spots. People didn't even know there was a sex scene until they actually saw it on screen. Or from word of mouth. If they wanted to put in a sex scene to sell, they would have done a much better job of it; you can't see anything.

The sex scene in Zion was symbiotic with the dance. It had the exact same purpose, which is why it happened at the same time. It's not only about showing the emotions, but also to show that they are humans, organic beings.

Sivy
11-07-2003, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by Chase Windu
In Revolutions I remember seeing a woman without her top. That could be questionable but just take a look at where they are. I mean it's common to see stuff like that in that type of club. Not that I'd ever go to one of course.:D


did you also see that she was getting her nipple twisted?

but hey, thats what you would expect from directors who wear woman's underwear and are married to bi-sexuals. :D


anyway...

i enjoyed the film.. ok so it wasn't the big finale we may have expected. but then isn't war a means to peace? zion survived and there will no longer be agents running about trying to stop people from leaving the matrix. which gives the human race more freedom.
knowing that the MMORPG is going to be set after revolutions we should have seen this sort of ending coming.

another_trooper
11-07-2003, 12:36 PM
The film was good and all, but in my opinion, too much of it happens outside the matrix, leaving no room for matrix action such as bizarre exagerated but still cool kung fu. . .

Sivy
11-07-2003, 01:07 PM
Originally posted by another_trooper
The film was good and all, but in my opinion, too much of it happens outside the matrix, leaving no room for matrix action such as bizarre exagerated but still cool kung fu. . .

yeah that was the only disappointment for me

Fishflesh
11-07-2003, 01:29 PM
i gess this weeks WTF = Matrix Revolutions ...

just kidding :p

pbguy1211
11-07-2003, 03:23 PM
Originally posted by another_trooper
The film was good and all, but in my opinion, too much of it happens outside the matrix, leaving no room for matrix action such as bizarre exagerated but still cool kung fu. . .

well... duh. because smith basically turned everyone in the matrix into him. it'd be kinda dumb to go back to the matrix just to die.

Young David
11-07-2003, 10:00 PM
The movie was good ... but far from perfect.

The first 50 minutes there's too much talk and too less action. After that you get the attack on Zion (Great scene ... higlight of the movie) and the super brawl with Neo Vs Smith. The action is okay ... but I missed scenes like the bullet time scenes in the first two movies.

Storywise The movie scores pretty bad. Suddenly Neo can see without his eyes and even out of the Matrix he seems to be from Kryptonite. The movie fails to explain a lot of things.

In Reloaded the Zion orgy was an unnecceserry and too long scene. It irritated me. This time Trinity's death irritated me a lot. Just die ... don't talk for 5 minutes about her death scene from Reloaded. I've never liked Trinity that much anyway.

Revolutions is a good movie and has some great action. But I feel the movie is more backboned bu the hype than the story ... pitty.

Niwid
11-08-2003, 05:38 AM
My absolute fav part of the movie...when Neo and Trinity get off the train, on the wall of the station is an ad for Tastee Wheat!

Either that or the whole dock battle sequence.

STTCT
11-08-2003, 02:19 PM
Don't get me wrong, I think the scene had purpose in the movie - etc, but just because they don't advertise the scene in movie posters etc doesn't mean that thousands of people didn't hear about the long sex scene.

Jared
11-08-2003, 03:27 PM
well...I didnt go to matrix cause there was some strange orgy...I just liked the first matrix...
I didnt even know there was a sex scene when I walked in...so..yea. I dunno. I am seeing revolutions in..1 hour..^^
thats all I care about...^_^

Tie Guy
11-09-2003, 02:02 AM
I just want to say that i think ya'll are missing the point with the Architect. He was lying, and you can tell in Reloaded that Neo knew it. Remember, he says the machines can't live without humans, and he is right. The architect lies because he has to. They need him to go to the right to reset the system. What is he supposed to say, "and the door to the left leads back to the matrix, where you can possibly save both your love and the entire human race"? No, the real question should be why even have a door to the left? I think it has to deal with the concept that humans, including the One, must be given a choice or they cannot accept their plight.

As for Revolutions itself, i liked it, but less than the second and a lot less than the first. It doesn't even answer why Smith was destroyed. It's like spontaneous combustion or what not. Maybe i just don't understand, but that didn't make any sense to me. And they definately overdid a few parts, like the waterballs at the end and the punch and the twenty some spikes sticking into Trinity. Still, an entertaining movie.

Jared
11-09-2003, 02:32 AM
Tie...guy? I thought you left LF ages ago....heh...

well...hopefully since the the matrix online is directed by the brothers, it will answer some questions. I would be shocked if It didnt.

Fishflesh
11-09-2003, 09:08 AM
it was not a realy good ending...

and you guys say that this will be explianed and continu in a computer game..... jeez how many pepole care about a game
it needs to be expliand in the movie not in a game:rolleyes:

Jared
11-09-2003, 03:15 PM
Unfortunately, thats not the case...

Fishflesh
11-09-2003, 03:53 PM
look dudes, the machines rule.
A peace ends the war.

The war was started by the humans.
Maybe now they have learned their lesson.
The matrix still exist probably since the world to come back to is $#@#.
Who wants to come back to that?
Though if we were in the matrix, I think I would, no matter how bad the real world.
The only question is, is it over?

Jared
11-09-2003, 04:05 PM
only time will tell.

STTCT
11-10-2003, 04:43 AM
I saw it Friday, at the IMAX theater. It was GREAT. I thought it was awesome. I still will need to see it a few times to fully understand it. I think that it wasn't dissapointing in the least. Yes, it was a little choppy, but there's not much you can do about that. They had so much going on in it. I cried during the death sequence, although I have to say COULD THEY DRAG IT OUT ANY LONGER. Guess you can't escape fate. I was really cheering for the butch girl and what's his face's wife/girl. I thought that sequence was great. But my absolute favorite scene would have to be when Trin says "I don't have time for this sh!t!"

Great movie.

Billy Shears
11-10-2003, 10:14 AM
Originally posted by Sherack Nhar
It's not advertised in any way, and it's not in the trailers of TV spots.

Actually, they do show the part where she orgasms in most of the trailers.

As for the movie, I loved it. I thought it was so much better than Reloaded, even though I did feel the explanation of Neo's real world powers was very weak. I thought Smith had the best lines in the movie. "You knew I was going to do that, didn't you? But if you did then that means you set the plate there on purpose....." and "I'm not so bad once you get to know me." and "Why do you do it Mr. Anderson, why do you persist, why, why?" and "Yes, I remember, I said something to you. Everything that has a beginning has an end........No....."

I think all of the Smith's blew up because there was still some of Neo left in the one Smith, just like there was some of the Oracle in the other. And Neo.....blew them up.......well hey, I was expecting something over the top, I mean there's no way they would have been able to show Neo kung fuing every single Smith, that would have been ridiculous. I was expecting something like in Reloaded where Neo blasts all of the Smiths off of him.

I give it a 9 out of 10. I must see this movie again. It is my purpose. ;)

Sivy
11-10-2003, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by Billy Shears


I think all of the Smith's blew up because there was still some of Neo left in the one Smith, just like there was some of the Oracle in the other. And Neo.....blew them up.......well hey, I was expecting something over the top, I mean there's no way they would have been able to show Neo kung fuing every single Smith, that would have been ridiculous. I was expecting something like in Reloaded where Neo blasts all of the Smiths off of him.



if you remember in reloaded, smith was supposed to return to the source to be deleted after the first movie. but he didn't, he became an exile.
smith's blew up because neo was plugged directly into the source and once smith took neo's body it was then smith who was plugged into the source and he was simply deleted and the matrix was reset.

Tie Guy
11-10-2003, 11:22 PM
Siv, then Siv, why wouldn't he just do that in teh beginning? Besides the fact that a fight is cooler and sells more tickets.

STTCT
11-11-2003, 04:50 AM
Because he didn't understand what he had to do in the beginning. He was blinded by his love for Trinity.

Darth Homer
11-12-2003, 04:39 AM
Originally posted by Tie Guy
Siv, then Siv, why wouldn't he just do that in teh beginning? Besides the fact that a fight is cooler and sells more tickets.

what STTCT said, plus, he wasn't hooked up to the source then either

Sivy
11-12-2003, 11:16 AM
also he wouldn't have saved zion and made peace between the humans and the machines.

Redwing
11-12-2003, 03:16 PM
All I have to say at the moment is...I went to the movie expecting it to suck. But I loved it. Go figure?

I really think the movie was handicapped, in a way that Reloaded completely avoided, by the fact that not everyone watched the Animatrix, or played through Enter the Matrix. I, on the other hand, have, several times. ;)

(Considering the direction they took with the end of the movie, they REALLY could've played the two Animatrix shorts, The Second Renassaince Part One and Two, before the movie)

Also, I know this is supposed to be The End, but I judging from their previous MO, I bet the Wachowski Brothers purposely left some material unsaid for The Matrix Online. Sure, sounds like giving the moviegoers the shaft, but...*shrugs*


All above things considered, I liked it better than Reloaded. I just cared alot more about the characters this time around. I really liked Trinity in the club scene, I was really scared for Seraph and the girl when they were running away from the flood of Smiths, I cried during Trinity's death scene...etcetera ;)

Wasn't Smith the destruction that the Architect promised? His job was to balance out equations, as the Oracle said, and Smith's reverse-One-ness (the Everyone?) was the result of an equation trying to balance itself out. Smith would eventually kill everyone connected to the Matrix by spreading through the machine world, destroying everything until nothing was left. That would eliminate the human and machine races quite effectively, wouldn't it?

Darth Homer
11-12-2003, 09:43 PM
Originally posted by Redwing
Also, I know this is supposed to be The End, but I judging from their previous MO, I bet the Wachowski Brothers purposely left some material unsaid for The Matrix Online. Sure, sounds like giving the moviegoers the shaft, but...*shrugs*


Hmmm, sounds good, and I guess the Merovingian would be the main bad guy in the game world...(well, I can't think of another good one, unless the Agents are still around)

Sivy
11-12-2003, 10:24 PM
according to www.matrixonline.com the offical site for the MMORPG there will be agents, which of course means that the peace doesn't last long. because if anyone is free to leave the matrix if they want there shouldn't be a need for agents.

its ironic that they gave revolutions the tag line 'everything that has a beginning has an end'

Jared
11-13-2003, 12:02 AM
Originally posted by Siv
according to www.matrixonline.com the offical site for the MMORPG there will be agents, which of course means that the peace doesn't last long. because if anyone is free to leave the matrix if they want there shouldn't be a need for agents.

its ironic that they gave revolutions the tag line 'everything that has a beginning has an end'


no, I dont think that is going to be the case....

Crazy_dog no.3
11-15-2003, 08:37 PM
I liked it, but it was not as good as the Matrix, although it was better than Reloaded. The fight scene with Neo and Smith was cool, and the battle for Zion was the highlight of the film.
I thought it was hilarous when Neo punches Smith's face in slo-mo and it goes all screwed up. :lol:
Also it was not so good when the machines make a face to speak to Neo. That was unrealistic and generally crap.

Crazy_dog no.3
11-15-2003, 08:37 PM
I liked it, but it was not as good as the Matrix, although it was better than Reloaded. The fight scene with Neo and Smith was cool, and the battle for Zion was the highlight of the film.
I thought it was hilarous when Neo punches Smith's face in slo-mo and it goes all screwed up. :lol:
Also it was not so good when the machines make a face to speak to Neo. That was unrealistic and generally crap.

jediduo
12-03-2003, 06:54 AM
Um, double post..... :)


I was disappointed in how they explained Neo's real world powers as well.