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James Leger
11-07-2003, 10:49 PM
Does anyone know if and when JK, Jedi Academy will be released for the Mac operating system? I would also like to download some of those really cool mods for my Jedi Outcast game, but I noticed all of them are zip files. What's a Mac user to do? Any response would be appreciated. Thanks :)

Astrotoy7
11-08-2003, 04:20 AM
Let me be the first one of those annoying ppl who says :

Mac Sux !

You appleheads are lucky you got JO.

It probably depends on how well JO did on that accursed thing !?
Its all about the bucks man !

MTFBWYA

Gabrobot
11-08-2003, 06:31 AM
I think it's very likely that there will be a Mac version...Lucasarts seems to be pretty Mac friendly. I don't know about the zip thing...I don't have a Mac.

Master William
11-08-2003, 01:41 PM
That's what you get for buying a Mac. But then again, it is in computer-wise better.

KaiaSowapit
11-08-2003, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by James Leger
Does anyone know if and when JK, Jedi Academy will be released for the Mac operating system? I would also like to download some of those really cool mods for my Jedi Outcast game, but I noticed all of them are zip files. What's a Mac user to do? Any response would be appreciated. Thanks :)
To my knowledge, there has been no official word on a port of Academy to the Mac. I'd say the chances are good it will happen; it just may take awhile. You may want to contact LucasArts (possibly even ASPYR) and express your interest.

As for using zip files, that's easy. You need Stuffit Expander from Aladdin Systems (http://www.aladdinsys.com). Though that should be installed on your Mac already. From my experience, most if not all the mods will work on a Mac just fine.
Originally posted by Astrotoy7
Let me be the first one of those annoying ppl who says :

Mac Sux !
What a needlessly ignorant comment.

Anakin
11-08-2003, 02:12 PM
Typical - PC users jump the gun and go all PC-Wacko on us....

I will say one thing, ASPYR who develop that Mac version of most of the games we play have 'apperently' got the startings ready to convert it over :)

KaiaSowapit
11-08-2003, 02:44 PM
taken from the "Attack of the Clones" Special Features DVD

http://home.earthlink.net/~kaiasowapit/mac/1.jpg

http://home.earthlink.net/~kaiasowapit/mac/2.jpg

http://home.earthlink.net/~kaiasowapit/mac/3.jpg

I guess no one told ILM "Mac Sux" ;)

James Leger
11-08-2003, 03:39 PM
Thanks everyone for the speedy responses...though I can't get over how rude some windows users can be. I'm anxious to try installing mods on JK2. I know I have Stuffit Expander on this baby. (Running Panther on new G4 Powerbook) JK2 runs perfectly both single and multiplayer on my Mac, so I see no reason why Jedi Academy couldn't easily be ported. I wish the old Mac/Win wars were over and things would open up for both platforms. They're both have incredible capabilities...

(may the lightsaber be invented in my lifetime!) though I'd never afford it.

babywax
11-08-2003, 03:54 PM
Mac does suck for games, they are however very good for video editing/image editing etc etc...
The new macs might be better though, as their new processors will be built on a 64 bit processor like the new AMD Opterons. The question is, will game developers move over. Probably not, the majority of gamers still have PCs, moral is: don't buy a mac for gaming, it's sad but games just aren't made for macs right now :(

Gabrobot
11-08-2003, 04:16 PM
Well, it just so happens that Microsoft of all companies, has a Windows emulator, called Virtual PC, for Macs...I hear it works very well...

Anyway, I don't understand the whole conflict between Windows, Linux, and Mac...they're all on the same side! We should unite to fight the evil expansion of the game console! :D

Cosmos Jack
11-08-2003, 05:14 PM
If I had to choose between a MAC or getting shot in the leg I would have to get shot in the leg. Apple would have to pay me to own one of them ugly, outdated, overpriced, clumps of metal. I haven't liked them b@stereds sinse I was in grade school being made to play that dam organ trail game.

For what a MAC costs I can put together a fairly top of the line PC. I haven't bought a computer in 6 years, I put my own together I know what they are made of and what they can do. When it screws up I know how to fix it.

I always use Windows, but I was thinking about putting Linux on one of my old computers. Just to try it out. I'm just wondering how compatible is it?

If a company uses a MAC it's no answer that it is better. Just means they were the lowest bidder.

Did I say I don't like MACs?

KaiaSowapit
11-08-2003, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by babywax
moral is: don't buy a mac for gaming, it's sad but games just aren't made for macs right now :(
You're absolutely right, however it has little to do with the hardware or operating system. Apple uses the same top-of-the-line video cards from ATI & NVIDIA just as PCs do - have been for some time now. And OS X is essentially UNIX - it's every bit as sophisticated and robust as anything from Microsoft (much more so if you ask me). And yes the G5 64-bit processor kicks some serious ass.

The real issue is market share; there's a poopload more PCs in people's homes than Macs. It's the same reason you don't see a ton of retail games off-the-shelf for Linux.

From personal experience, I can assure you that JK2 runs just as well on my $1800 iMac as it does on my $2800 Alienware. About the only difference is the Mac JK2 version crashes a heck of a lot less often and when it does, it doesn't bring down the entire computer and force me to restart. Oh yeah, and EAX actually works with less headaches on my iMac than it does on my PC... even though the PC has an honest-to-goodness Sound Blaster Audigy card. Go figure?!
Originally posted by Cosmos Jack
If I had to choose between a MAC or getting shot in the leg I would have to get shot in the leg. Apple would have to pay me to own one of them ugly, outdated, overpriced, clumps of metal. I haven't liked them b@stereds sinse I was in grade school being made to play that dam organ trail game.
First off, "ugly" is subjective, but I'd like to know how many PCs have ever been put on display at MOMA or how many have won design awards? For that matter, perhaps you can explain why there are so many "skins" for replacing the default Windows XP interface with Aqua OS X look-a-likes? (I've yet to see a single XP skin for Macs.)

Outdated? Overpriced? Clearly it HAS been at least six years since you've bought a computer. Honestly, try taking an unbiased look at the current lineup - I think you'd be hard pressed to back up the claim that Macs are either outdated or overpriced. Heck, just look at the 17 inch Powerbook... there isn't even a PC equivalent on the market that I'm aware of.
If a company uses a MAC it's no answer that it is better. Just means they were the lowest bidder.
Well again, I can tell you from direct personal experience that as a designer I'd be looking for another line of work if I had to switch to PCs. Macs are simply superior for desktop publishing, web design, animation, film/video editing, etc. and so on. And I think you would find most people in the content-creation industry agree with me.

Like it or not, most of the books/magazines you read, websites you visit, television/movies you watch have been produced using Apple Macintosh computers. (And don't even get me started on music.) Take Hallmark for example (you know, the greeting card company), virtually EVERY product they produce is designed using Macintosh computers. And if you sincerely think it's because Apple was the lowest bidder, you're not only naive, but contradicting yourself ("overpriced").

Macs certainly are not the best choice for a gaming platform. Then again, some of us actually use our computers for something besides playing games. Your priorities may be different than mine, but I've yet to receive a paycheck from playing Quake. ;)

“MICROSOFT is regarded by the COMMON PEOPLE as GOOD, by the WISE as GARBAGE, and by BILL GATES as LUCRATIVE.”

eastcoast2895
11-08-2003, 09:13 PM
first let me say i will probably never by a mac because i use my computer game to mostly play computer games. also that i get annoyed by people who bash other systems, like ps2 users that won't recognize that xbox is a good system. so here is my point

mac isn't bad. if it was bad why wouldn't mac os be in the news about how they needed a patch for security reasons which will be exploited and piss off alot of mac users like what happen to windows users with that stupid hacker a couple months ago.

Gabrobot
11-09-2003, 12:01 AM
Well, I've got to put in a quick little thing...ILM, actually was using Windows PCs until around when they were making Episode II when they switched to Linux...there are, however, many other company's that do use Macs.

James Leger
11-09-2003, 02:06 AM
Back to the original thread content,,,minus the mac/win bickering, thanks for the input. I got the mods to work for the JK2 game. Easy as hell. Now I'm addicted to Armagetron, the Tron cycling game. Until Jedi Academy comes out, this is "the @#$!". I recommend it to any nostalgia freak who grew up in the 80's. I think I must be drawn to glowing laser neon light effects or something...

end.

Astrotoy7
11-09-2003, 06:12 AM
Originally posted by KaiaSowapit

What a needlessly ignorant comment.

I agree with you ! Its just I had some *REALLY* bad experiences with apple support, which has tainted my view of the whole apple experience.....

apologies, gentles

someone mentioned above that macs are ugly, I'm gonna have to agree with that !! During uni I had to work with one of those macs that were half see-through, man, what an eyesore.....

MTFBWYA

SlapNut
11-09-2003, 12:38 PM
for gods sake, a computer is a computer, if it plays games well then its good, enough said.

KaiaSowapit
11-09-2003, 02:11 PM
Originally posted by Gabrobot
Well, I've got to put in a quick little thing...ILM, actually was using Windows PCs until around when they were making Episode II when they switched to Linux...there are, however, many other company's that do use Macs.
Actually, it's my understanding they were primarily using Silicon Graphics (SGI) workstations prior to adopting more Linux machines (see above photo of Rob Coleman - that's an SGI box on top of his desk). To my knowledge they've always used Macs, in particular for matte painting and textures (Photoshop) - something a bit less glamorous than their digital puppet Yoda, which gets most of the press.

My source for this information? Meeting them first hand at several NAB & SIGGRAPH conventions over the years.

Anyhow James is right; there's no need here for a flame war. Both Macs & PCs have value. I just wanted to post an educated opinion that by no means "Mac sux." :)

P.S. Love them pics in your sig SlapNut!

Emon
11-09-2003, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by James Leger
Thanks everyone for the speedy responses...though I can't get over how rude some windows users can be.

Thanks for saying "Windows users", not "PC users". Some "Macboys" have some strange impression that PCs only run Windows, and PC users only run Windows... :rolleyes:

Aspyr might do a Mac port, eventually, but as said, for now you'll have to stick with emulation. I'm not sure if you can run WineX on OS X, but it's worth a try. Otherwise you'd have to use Linux.

Oh, and I wouldn't go believing that Macs are always better for video editing, especially if you read it on apple.com... It used to be true, but isn't always anymore.

Hermie
11-09-2003, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by Cosmos Jack
Apple would have to pay me to own one of them ugly, outdated, overpriced, clumps of metal.

is this (http://www.apple.com/imac) what you call ugly clumps of metal?

Iblis Reborn
11-09-2003, 08:55 PM
that looks like an old desk lamp

Emon
11-09-2003, 08:58 PM
Not my style, but certantly not ugly. I just wish...they had...buttons.

DarkLord60
11-09-2003, 10:00 PM
I work on computers and no one that I know likes macs well besides ppl online like Anakin lol. I hate them just because it just seems like your so limited on what you can do with a mac.

Cosmos Jack
11-11-2003, 02:12 AM
“APPLE COMPUTERS are regarded by the COMMON PEOPLE as USELESS, by the RETAILERS as PROFITLESS, and by BILL GATES as NO COMPETITION.” If you don't like Linux/Microsoft or PCs? That is your opinion and you can post it like I did mine. If you don't like my opinion you can suck it up and deal with it, because I really don't care what you think.

Originally posted by KaiaSowapit
Outdated? Overpriced? Clearly it HAS been at least six years since you've bought a computer. Honestly, try taking an unbiased look at the current lineup - I think you'd be hard pressed to back up the claim that Macs are either outdated or overpriced. Heck, just look at the 17 inch Powerbook... there isn't even a PC equivalent on the market that I'm aware of. I go to Computer stores all the time and look at all the comps they have and the price/specs.

I don't buy computers, because I build them. I buy the parts I want and put them together myself. I saved allot of money doing that. When it comes to MACs you don't have that much choice. It's more like the console system of computers. If you go to a computer store and look at all the PC programs and parts and the Apple ones. It's like comparing S. Korea and N. Korea's economy.

As far as everything goes I have no desire to be stuck in a computer part and software pit with a limited rang of software and parts that I can use.

Here are some random specs. I got of a MAC and a Gateway store.

PowerBook G4
17-inch
1.33GHz PowerPC G4
512MB DDR333 SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA/100
ATI Mobility Radeon
9600 (64MB DDR)
$2,999.00

Gateway M675XL
17-inch
3.2GHz P4 HT
512MB DDR SDRAM
60GB Ultra ATA Hard Drive
ATI Mobility Radeon
9600 (128MB DDR)
$2,499.99

Pick one?

Gabrobot
11-11-2003, 04:01 AM
Well, to my understanding, Gateway doesn't exactly make stellar gaming machines. :p
Try comparing that Mac with an Alienware or even a Dell.

Remember, there's more to computers then just the stuff on paper...there's a little thing called hand tweaking.

KaiaSowapit
11-11-2003, 06:47 AM
Originally posted by Cosmos Jack
...suck it up and deal with it, because I really don't care what you think.
The fact that you took the time to respond to my post leads me to believe otherwise. ;)
I haven't liked them b@stereds sinse I was in grade school being made to play that dam organ trail game.
I've liked them "b@stereds" plenty "sinse" I started making an income from using applications such as After Effects, InDesign, Photoshop and Shake. Yes, some of these programs are available for the Windows environment, however I've found them more stable, intuitive and functional on the Macintosh platform. That's simply a personal preference, however as I've alluded to previously, many in the design, entertainment and production community apparently agree with me.
I don't buy computers, because I build them. I buy the parts I want and put them together myself. I saved allot of money doing that. When it comes to MACs you don't have that much choice. It's more like the console system of computers.
You build computers. I USE them (and for something besides merely playing games).

Yes and like a console system, I've yet to purchase a product for my Macintosh only to return home and discover that it wasn't "compatible." The most challenging aspect of any installation I've ever performed on a Mac was getting the shrink wrap off the packaging. Unlike my PC, I've never had to monkey with DIP switches, run down IRQ errors, or tinker with obscure autoexec.bat or config.sys files. I've never had to back out of the elegant and user-friendly GUI and pull up a clunky DOS command line interface or BIOS equivalent.

I also might mention that I've NEVER had a virus, trojan horse or worm - not EVER (not even one of those common & pathetic macro exploits). That's certainly one aspect of "compatibility" I don't begrudge PCs for having.

Furthermore, I've had more crashes, system lockups and freezes in the past two months with my new, "top-of-the-line" Alienware PC than I've had in over two YEARS with my Mac. Ironically, all I have installed and use on the PC are a handful of GAMES.

So yes, if my income depended on it, I'd go with the Apple Powerbook over the Gateway... in a heartbeat. As far as I'm concerned, that's $500 well spent.

"MICROSOFT is regarded by the COMMON PEOPLE as INNOVATORS, by the WISE as THIEVES, and by U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE as a MONOPOLY & VIOLATOR OF ANTI-TRUST LAWS." (http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f3800/msjudgex.htm)

Astrotoy7
11-11-2003, 08:54 AM
sheesh, this is turnin into a 'computer guy' fight...... :violin:

These forums are damn funny :D

MTFBWYA

Cosmos Jack
11-12-2003, 05:20 AM
Originally posted by KaiaSowapit
The fact that you took the time to respond to my post leads me to believe otherwise. ;) Don't use the fact I like bitching to think I care.

I'm sorry you have had so many problems with you PC. May I suggest a Computer Class or something for you to be educated. I haven't had a Virus or a crash in about a year. I take the right percussions and don't do stupid things with my computers.

Frankly if you were dumb enough to buy a overpriced Alienware PC? Than you disserve what you get. For what one of them costs I can build 2 maybe 3 with about the same specs. Your buying a name not a PC.
Originally posted by KaiaSowapit
"MICROSOFT is regarded by the COMMON PEOPLE as INNOVATORS, by the WISE as THIEVES, and by U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE as a MONOPOLY & VIOLATOR OF ANTI-TRUST LAWS." (http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f3800/msjudgex.htm) MORE POWER TO THEM!!!!!

To be honest there is nothing you can say to make me like Apple except maybe that Microsoft bought them out.

Amidala from Chop Shop
11-12-2003, 05:46 AM
Which of these motor vehicles is "better", a Ferrari or a pickup truck? Well, depends on what you want to do with it.

Which of these airplanes is "better", a F-16 or a 747. Well, depends on what you want to do with it.

Which of these computers is "better", a Wintel or a Mac? Well, you get the idea.

Which of these human beings is better, a man or a woman? The answer is obvious...the woman!

KaiaSowapit
11-12-2003, 08:45 AM
Originally posted by Cosmos Jack
I take the right percussions...
Would that be the tambourine or the bongos? :p

Astrotoy7
11-12-2003, 09:52 AM
Originally posted by KaiaSowapit
Would that be the tambourine or the bongos? :p

gosh, i think the guy meant precautions :p

but some Macs are ugly enough that it would be great to smack them up like a pair of bongos :p

boy, Kaia, I hope you get royalty checks from Apple, for so vehemently battling for them !

I have a PC. I love SW games, without a PC I would never have been able to play :

XWing
Tie Fighter
XW Vs Tie Fighter
Rebel Assault 1 and 2
Dark Forces
Galactic Battlegrounds
Jedi Knight : DF2 plus MotS
JK2 : JO
JA !!!
(also KOTOR...in anticipation...)

not to mention things like -
NeverWinter Nights, Baldurs Gate etc
Elite Force 1 and 2

I have had COUNTLESS HOURS of fun playing these above titles !

THIS IS WHY I HAVE A PC !! The other programs I mainly run are available on both platforms, so this was the KEY FACTOR for me, and Im sure MANY others.....

I hope this discussion dissolves into the ether, it is becoming the geekiest of flame fests.............. :D

MTFBWYA

KaiaSowapit
11-12-2003, 10:17 AM
Originally posted by Astrotoy7
boy, Kaia, I hope you get royalty checks from Apple, for so vehemently battling for them !
Nope, but the income I derive from using Apple products did allow me (comfortably) to purchase that "overpriced" Alienware, not to mention additional free time (since I'm more productive) to play on it. That said, if you know someone at Apple, feel free to hook me up! :)

BTW, you do appreciate the majority of games you mentioned are available for the Mac too? ;)
I hope this discussion dissolves into the ether, it is becoming the geekiest of flame fests.............. :D
Hehe, I'll say!

Akshara
11-12-2003, 10:45 AM
Which of these human beings is better, a man or a woman? The answer is obvious...the woman!
LoL...

:)

I'd have to suggest that a Commodore 64 is far superior to bot... whoops, forgot what year it was.

Anakin
11-12-2003, 10:54 AM
Oh the un-educated....


“APPLE COMPUTERS are regarded by the COMMON PEOPLE as USELESS, by the RETAILERS as PROFITLESS, and by BILL GATES as NO COMPETITION.” If you don't like Linux/Microsoft or PCs? That is your opinion and you can post it like I did mine. If you don't like my opinion you can suck it up and deal with it, because I really don't care what you think.

Useless -No

Profitless- I think not we as a Company retailer make 13.5% margin on Apple Macs and only 2-5% on other PC brands, therefore we make more money on Apples.

Competition - Microsoft, will always think that they have no competition.

Here are some random specs. I got of a MAC and a Gateway store.

PowerBook G4
17-inch
1.33GHz PowerPC G4
512MB DDR333 SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA/100
ATI Mobility Radeon
9600 (64MB DDR)
$2,999.00

Gateway M675XL
17-inch
3.2GHz P4 HT
512MB DDR SDRAM
60GB Ultra ATA Hard Drive
ATI Mobility Radeon
9600 (128MB DDR)
$2,499.99



I would have the Mac, the Mac would out perform the Gateway any days of the week, plus its 2" thick and weighs a ton, Mac 17" 1" Thick

[quote]
I have a PC. I love SW games, without a PC I would never have been able to play :

XWing
Tie Fighter
XW Vs Tie Fighter
Rebel Assault 1 and 2
Dark Forces
Galactic Battlegrounds
Jedi Knight : DF2 plus MotS
JK2 : JO
JA !!!
(also KOTOR...in anticipation...)

not to mention things like -
NeverWinter Nights, Baldurs Gate etc
Elite Force 1 and 2

[quote]

Uhh Wrong, half of those you can get for Mac, and as I also run Virtual PC on My Macs, only because of GTKRad is still in testing for Macs. You need to look into things before you shout and scream in this thread.

txa1265
11-12-2003, 11:59 AM
Is there any need for this?

Do we not purport to be pseudo-mature individuals?

Why is it that each and every time someone asks about a Mac version there is at least one person who has to post a "Mac sux" reply.

We had these for Jedi Outcast, and for Jedi Academy - both pre-and post-release. Generelly the question gets answered somewhere early on, and the 'discussion' (ok, Mac bashing) continues.

If someone posted a thread in the Swamp labelled 'can you help me with plasma physics?' and you knew nothing about it, would you feel compelled to reply - perhaps 'dood, dump that, I took physx in high school and it suxed so you need a better class'

... well, perhaps there are some who would. But why? If you know nothing - or have no interest - why can't you just leave it alone.

I have been a heavy computer user since GUI meant not having to use punch cards. What have I found?
- Someone else has a faster computer than you.
- The new application you just bought has more stuff you'll never use while removing/altering something you used all the time in the name of 'usability'.
- The OS wars will continue as an immature and unintelligent bashing by otherwise rational and reasonable people.

I'm sitting in a hotel room at a desk typing on my Mac laptop, with my PC laptop (not my gaming one, this is my 'ultra-light' ... good for JK1 ;) ). I could go on and on about the pros and cons of each - but to what end? I have productivity needs on both, do internet stuff on both, entertainment (music & video) on both, and gaming on both. Some things I can only do on one or the other. That doesn't make it better, just more suitable for that application. Which I like better for any given application really doesn't matter, does it?

Can't we just accept that MS makes decent products, Apple makes decent products, PC vendors make decent products, Linux vendors make decent products, and so on? Can't we just stop bashing on other community members who just want the ability to play a game we love on the computer they have available to them - either by their own doing or perhaps what they need or their parent's bought?

Perhaps a mod/admin can lock this up before the bashing gets really nasty, or can just dump it in the swamp.

Either way - if you see another 'Will JA come out on the Mac' thread, and really don't know and don't care - don't click.

Mike

Kurgan
11-12-2003, 02:01 PM
I haven't had a Virus or a crash in about a year.

Bah humbug. No offense if you are being honest and you have a windows running PC that is connected to the internet that you use on a daily basis, but...

I DON'T BELIEVE YOU!


The fact is there are viruses/trojans/etc out there that will attack your PC when you do nothing "stupid" to deserve it.

Sure I guess if you avoid using certain versions of windows and certain programs and visiting certain sites etc you might reduce your chances of falling victim to random attacks, but it still happens.

Even the most stable windows version I've used to date (win2kpro) was not immune to crashing every once in a great while (a few days rather than a few hours with win95).

I keep my virus scanner up to date and scan regularly. I scan for spyware also regularly. I have a hardware and a software firewall running. And yet I still get crap in my mail on an almost daily basis. Sure, 99.999999% of it gets grabbed in the inbox and dumped into quarantine so it doesn't hurt my computer, but still.

And prior to win2k you have "memory rot" that makes it so that your computer gets slower and slower and more bloated as the registry gets full of crap from installs/uninstalls. It gets so bad that after 6-9 months you pretty much need to reformat/reinstall to maintain your sanity.

If you are not on the internet or don't use your PC very often, I can see maybe not having a crash. But a whole year with no viruses or crashes? Impossible.

It's like saying you live in a big western city and have never seen litter on the ground or pollution of any kind.

Kurgan
11-12-2003, 02:10 PM
Now that you mention it, it's true, we don't know if/when a Mac version of JA is coming out or have any information on it.

If/when that happens I suppose somebody will post about it and we'll know, so I guess you're right... this discussion is dead, we'll just agree to disagree about the Mac Vs. Windows Vs. whatever debate...