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JA_General
11-17-2003, 05:55 AM
Hello
Yesterday i was in a server allways when he was killing someone or be killed. he Wrote something fast .i askt him how he type so fast. he says: nay thats my Kill Tracker.

Now i wanna have that to. Lol
Anyone knows were i download that ?:confused:

Amidala from Chop Shop
11-17-2003, 06:48 AM
Originally posted by Amidala from Chop Shop
No one has a problem will a program that silently keeps statistics of your kills and kill ratios, etc. But the incessant spamming of "so and so, you are the 34 person I have killed, 3 kills have come from you" (or the more juvenile variations like "so and so you are the 40 bitch I have ass raped") was very annoying in Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast, and is even worse in JA, since the chat is closer to the center of the screen.

After many months of watching hundreds of players on my four servers, I have found that the best players, the ones who win consistently, don't use killtrackers. Using a killtracker in my experience is like waving a red flag that says "I am a mediocre player with low self-esteem, and spamming a message with each and every one of my infrequent kills compensates for the fact that I never win".

If after reading that you still want one of those damn killtrackers, you can download it here:
http://maudae.avalonx.net/
Please do everyone a favor and use !silent or !ktoff so you won't fill up everyone's screen with annoying spam. It will still count every one of your very important kills.

StormHammer
11-17-2003, 07:04 AM
Yeah...the killtracker is more annoying than anything else. Anyone can say how many kills they've had...but with most of the game types, winning the actual match is more important from my POV. Killtrackers are pretty pointless in team-based games like CTF and Siege anyway - you could have the highest frag-count, but if you don't win any of the matches, then what's the point?

Crow_Nest
11-17-2003, 07:18 AM
You need a software to install the kill tracker. The link is in the readme. :)

Sam Fisher
11-17-2003, 02:06 PM
The kill trackers in the BWN servers are nice. I like them.

Kurgan
11-17-2003, 02:44 PM
Instead of a Kill Tracker I'd prefer something akin to NGstats from Unreal Tournament...

Is this just a mad dream?

Jawa8578
11-17-2003, 02:49 PM
Kill trackers are for noobs.

1.) No one is interested in how many kills you have.

2.) Stop telling people how many kills you have.

3.) I can kill 249713057042-573412597392457 billion people by editting the cfg file anyway.

4.) Why do you find it necessary to count how many people you killed in a video game (ages 12 and up)...

5.) Do you get like free movie tickets or a car if ya get over 1000?

6.) No one cares

7.) No one cares

8.) I personally believe your a really bad player (no matter how many kills you have) if you use a kill tracker

StormHammer
11-17-2003, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by Kurgan
Instead of a Kill Tracker I'd prefer something akin to NGstats from Unreal Tournament..

Yeah, NG Stats is actually useful, because it can highlight your reliance on particular weapons and items, and gives a good indication of your overall accuracy. I used to use it to re-evaluate the way I was playing the game - so I agree that something along those lines would be useful.

Sam Fisher
11-17-2003, 04:14 PM
Well Jawa, if you have some '1337 skillz', where are they? I think you need to stop flaming all the newer people. So what if they have a kill tracker. But why does that make them noobs?

BTW, what are 'NG stats'?

Jawa8578
11-17-2003, 05:21 PM
Uhm didn't I just post why kill trackers are for noobs...

I never said I have 1337 skillz, but thanks for saying I do :)
...and this is a forum...so it doesn't take 'skillz' to post, although I'd happily duel you.

KaiaSowapit
11-17-2003, 07:16 PM
Good god. Repent sinners, for the world is coming to an end...

I agree with Jawa8578 on this one.

(Though arguably Amidala was more eloquent and tactful. :))

|GG|Carl
11-17-2003, 07:18 PM
I agree that kill trackers are the ultimate spam tools, I actually think they are pretty annoying

:edeaths:

Amidala from Chop Shop
11-17-2003, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by Jawa8578
Kill trackers are for noobs.

1.) No one is interested in how many kills you have.

2.) Stop telling people how many kills you have.

3.) I can kill 249713057042-573412597392457 billion people by editting the cfg file anyway.

4.) Why do you find it necessary to count how many people you killed in a video game (ages 12 and up)...

5.) Do you get like free movie tickets or a car if ya get over 1000?

6.) No one cares

7.) No one cares

8.) I personally believe your a really bad player (no matter how many kills you have) if you use a kill tracker

Originally posted by Amidala from Chop Shop
After many months of watching thousands of players on my four servers, I have found that the best players, the ones who win consistently, don't use killtrackers. Using a killtracker in my experience is like waving a red flag that says "I am a mediocre player with low self-esteem, and spamming a message with each and every one of my infrequent kills compensates for the fact that I never win".

Originally posted by KaiaSowapit
Good god. Repent sinners, for the world is coming to an end...

I agree with Jawa8578 on this one.

(Though arguably Amidala was more eloquent and tactful. :))

Originally posted by Kurgan
And on, and on, etc it goes. I agree, the kill tracker is a pretty silly, spammy and pathetic deal because people use it to broadcast pointless statistics (really taunts) showing how "good" they are.

That little sample was just annoying, but if people get in the habit of using them on my server, I may decide to ban them altogether.

Originally posted by StormHammer
Yeah...the killtracker is more annoying than anything else. Anyone can say how many kills they've had...but with most of the game types, winning the actual match is more important from my POV. Killtrackers are pretty pointless in team-based games like CTF and Siege anyway - you could have the highest frag-count, but if you don't win any of the matches, then what's the point?

Originally posted by |GG|Carl
I agree that kill trackers are the ultimate spam tools, I actually think they are pretty annoying



So killtracker fans, if |GG|Carl, Stormhammer, Kurgan, Amidala, KaiaSowapit, and Jawa 8578, people who could disagree with each other over whether rocks are hard, water is wet, and babies' bottoms are smooth unanimously agree that killtrackers are horrible and for n00bs only, doesn't that tell you something?

Jawa8578
11-17-2003, 08:42 PM
0Mg 0Mg 0Mg No No No I can't agree wif u people!
Kill Trackers rox0r man!

Naib
11-17-2003, 10:26 PM
One of the sadest things I've seen on JK2 was on a full instagib CTF server that I used to admin on. A guy joins and I see the message saying that he had activated a kill tracker. I kept one eye on the message to look for the spam, but saw nothing. I was relived as I was enjoying the game, and didn't want to have to mess round telling him to turn it off.

About 10 mins into the map I notice this:

Player: !kills
Player: I have killed a total of 0 people

:D

Kurgan
11-18-2003, 03:00 AM
Jawa8578, I have lamed you while chatting.
Jawa8578, you are the 6,666th person I have lamed while chatting.
I have lamed you (Jawa8578) while chatting 500 times.

w00t!

JA_General
11-18-2003, 05:25 AM
Can you even see how many people you have Lamed......pfff let me think......That should be around 30 to 50 times for me :p

Cosmos Jack
11-18-2003, 05:39 AM
Originally posted by Amidala from Chop Shop
So killtracker fans, if |GG|Carl, Stormhammer, Kurgan, Amidala, KaiaSowapit, and Jawa 8578, people who could disagree with each other over whether rocks are hard, water is wet, and babies' bottoms are smooth unanimously agree that killtrackers are horrible and for n00bs only, doesn't that tell you something? I have to agree with them also. Kill Trackers are stupid and that is my educated opinion. I can't say my uneducated opinion without getting banned for life.

P.S.
I need a Kill Tracker Blocker.;)

Samuel Dravis
11-18-2003, 05:52 AM
Kill trackers are evil.

eniaC
11-18-2003, 08:22 AM
So thats how that guy added my skull to his collection,("your skull has been added to my collection eniaC", or whatever it was) d*** that was annoying, Killtracker=evil.

Crow_Nest
11-18-2003, 10:18 AM
If you all say the kill tracker sux, then why did the creator made it?

Kurgan
11-18-2003, 10:58 AM
Two theories:

1) He had a huge ego.

2) He didn't realize the extent to which his creation would be abused.

Take your pick...

-----------------------

Honestly though, as long as it doesn't broadcast every message (ie: keeps track of it for the player end and the player end only) I have no real problem with people using them. I'd rather have something akin to ngstats like in UT though, that would actually be useful. Rather than simply tallying whom you killed the most, it would show your accuracy with weapons and how well you did with them (and ditto for your opponents) and progress throughout the match with charts, stuff like that. Good for charting individual progress...

Naib
11-18-2003, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by Kurgan
Two theories:

1) He had a huge ego.

2) He didn't realize the extent to which his creation would be abused.

3) He wanted to find a good use for the mSilence command

Cosmos Jack
11-18-2003, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by |GG|Crow_Nest
If you all say the kill tracker sux, then why did the creator made it? Everyone makes mistakes, but most people learn from them.:o

Has anyone ever noticed that the people that use them things are also the 1st person to cry lamer and usually have few points.

DarthCobra
11-18-2003, 09:49 PM
As long as ppl can figure out how to keep it silent :)

I have no problem with it.. Anyone spamming killtracker msg's on any server im in control of, will be warned then kicked. Theres enough chat and annoying spam in this game...

STFU AN FIGHT!

Amidala from Chop Shop
11-18-2003, 10:14 PM
Not only is killtracker spam useless information and annoying, but according to this article http://www.ukgamer.com/columns.php4?author=53&startat=10&perpage=10 chat spamming (which would include killtracker spam) adversely affects server performance. When referring to sv_maxrate (typically set between 4000 and 10000):
(Those numbers don't include the cost of chat, which is EXTREMELY high. A single player chatspamming can spike it up to 20K).
It refers to Quake III, but as you know JA is based upon the Q3 engine.

Off topic, the discussion of sv_fps in the same article is interesting. The default value of sv_fps for Jedi Academy is 20, and that may be causing some of the hit-detection problems mentioned in other threads. I have increased my server's sv_fps to 25.

Kurgan
11-19-2003, 06:57 AM
Your server is 5x saber damage? No wonder I was so awesome with the saber the other night! ; )

Anyway Amidala, if you find that the sv_fps thing helps you, I'd like to know what a good number to change it to is (from default). I don't need anymore lag on my server, but if I could be getting better hit detection for all people on my server all this time, I'd like to know!

Does it really work, or is it not worth it?

KaiaSowapit
11-19-2003, 12:16 PM
I've tried adjusting sv_fps to 60 (too much packet loss), 40 & 25. To be honest, I've yet to notice a world of difference - then again I never really noticed much of a problem to begin with.

This is just my personal opinion, and take it for what it's worth seeing as I'm no genius coder/networking specialist, but it seems to me that getting the best results in-game are as much dependent on your video/cpu hardware as is your online connection. I suspect most people complaining about "buggy" hit-detection are lacking in one of those areas (or their opponents/server host is).

Just my two cents. :D

BTW, back on topic... Kill Trackers blow.

Thank you!

psycore
11-19-2003, 12:58 PM
Killtracker? should i lol or cry?
One time in a game i saw some1 with Kt and he showed us his scores it was like thousands of deads and no Kills:)
then after a second the same msg from Kt just with no deaths and this huge kills:)
we all Laughed and started to chat about kt and came to a point that all of us hates it especially its annoying when som1 uses the mp3.... commands and name of songs in chat , i asked him to turn off his nub kt spam and play normal without it he dont stopped to spam
so since there was no admin there we couldnt plz the admin to say to stop it....
so i would very appreciate when players would be so kind and shut the msg off
it dont bother me when u have kt but the msg spam is not normal it lags sometimes and no1 is interesting in how much u died or killed
im also sure that people like me change their name so for whats its worth?
so for all KT Lovers have fun with it but plz stop this msg spam

Master William
11-19-2003, 12:59 PM
Just what I expected. A big stupid flame from all the fun-haters in this 'forum'. Kill Tracker is very fun, altough it really can get annoying at times.

IMO, I'm ok as long as it doesn't say 'Hey, Nexus, I owned your little n00b ass (like everyone else) for the 912581295th time!'

That is annoying, but normal messages don't bug me.

t3rr0r
11-19-2003, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by Master William
Just what I expected. A big stupid flame from all the fun-haters in this 'forum'. Kill Tracker is very fun, altough it really can get annoying at times.
if someone wants to have fun with text, play a mud.

KaiaSowapit
11-19-2003, 01:28 PM
Master William, you're on record for defending "Honor Codes" on other threads (presumably out of consideration for those that like them), yet you accuse those of us opposed to kill trackers (something you yourself admit to being "annoying at times") as "fun-haters?"

Do you fail to see the hypocrisy in that? :rolleyes:

What's so noble about knowingly annoying other guests, especially if it's potentially introducing lag? If that's honestly your idea of "fun" please do us both a favor and stay off my server.

Prime
11-19-2003, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by Amidala from Chop Shop
So killtracker fans, if |GG|Carl, Stormhammer, Kurgan, Amidala, KaiaSowapit, and Jawa 8578, people who could disagree with each other over whether rocks are hard, water is wet, and babies' bottoms are smooth unanimously agree that killtrackers are horrible and for n00bs only, doesn't that tell you something? I'll add my name to the list, for all the reasons mentioned. Having all that coloured text spamming my screen is annoying, at the very least.

Sorry to agree with you Jawa8578. I guess this means the Apocalypse is at hand...

Originally posted by t3rr0r
if someone wants to have fun with text, play a mud. Or crayons.

Master William
11-19-2003, 05:08 PM
Having fun with text? Do you think I play this game with text? I don't even use a kill tracker, I simply don't find as annoying as other people do.

Different opinions, we have, yes.

And Kaia, I never visited your server, and never intended to. I in fact won't either ;)

I rarely play JA nowadays for some reason, but the most entertaining thing is kicking with the Staff, it works wonderfully with the 1.1 patch.

Sorry if my opinion sometimes sounds way too harsh like ''F U ALL! I LIKE KILL TRACKER! SHUT UP!''.

Sorry, but I tend to get angry at many posts in this forum, and this is just a rare case where I actually decide to post instead of staying angry.

I don't want to be flamed, but this seems to happen sometimes... It didn't happen yet, though.

Amidala from Chop Shop
11-19-2003, 05:44 PM
Here is a great tip for all killtracker despisers:

If you are playing a game and some inconsiderate person continues to use a killtracker despite server rules, MOTDs, automated messages, and multiple polite and not-so-polite requests to turn it off, just change your name to the killtracker-spammer's name (I think it must be exactly the same including colors, symbols, etc.) and type !ktoff or !silent in chat. It will turn off the other person's killtracker! It works in JK2 and I assume it will work in JA as well:amidala:

Originally posted by Kurgan
Your server is 5x saber damage? No wonder I was so awesome with the saber the other night! ; )

Anyway Amidala, if you find that the sv_fps thing helps you, I'd like to know what a good number to change it to is (from default). I don't need anymore lag on my server, but if I could be getting better hit detection for all people on my server all this time, I'd like to know!

Does it really work, or is it not worth it?

Kurgan, there is another thread on sv_fps here: http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=114308&highlight=svfps

Values must go evenly into 1000 (milliseconds) so choose between 20 (default), 25, 40, and 50. I am using 25 for my Jedi Academy servers (due to host restrictions) and 40 on my Jedi Outcast servers. Modest increases may not only improve hit detection but also reduce lag.

UPDATE: in order for clients to take advantage of increased sv_fps, their snaps must be equal to or greater than the server's sv_fps. Since there is no harm in a client setting a high level (it's a maximum rate), clients should /set snaps 40 or higher. Perhaps the reason KaiaSowapit didn't see any difference is because the default snaps is 20 (I think). Raising sv_fps above 20 with client snaps set to 20 would have no effect. See this thread: http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=103919&highlight=snaps

KaiaSowapit
11-19-2003, 05:46 PM
Previously posted by Master William
Just what I expected. A big stupid flame from all the fun-haters in this 'forum'.
Recently posted by Master William
I don't want to be flamed, but this seems to happen sometimes...
Shouldn't be much of a mystery why you're occasionally flamed - not that I'm endorsing it. If you really want to avoid being flamed, I'd consider removing expressions such as "stupid" and "fun-hater" from your posting vocabulary. In other words, don't troll.

KaiaSowapit
11-19-2003, 05:54 PM
AWESOME!!! Amidala... I think I love you! (BTW, will that work with !disconnect too?! :D)

Jawa8578
11-19-2003, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by KaiaSowapit
Shouldn't be much of a mystery why you're occasionally flamed - not that I'm endorsing it. If you really want to avoid being flamed, I'd consider removing expressions such as "stupid" and "fun-hater" from your posting vocabulary. In other words, don't troll.

Do you even know what a troll is? He's not trolling, he's just being blantently stupid and shsowing his gross inexperience with this game and all of its predecessors. Keep the noob hand strong William!


btw I may be considered a troll be some people :) Dont worry, I like it, it makes me sounds bad :p

Master William
11-19-2003, 06:32 PM
See, that's how it goes when you express your true opinions on this forum.

I'll keep my other opinions inside of me, seeing as that would only increase the amount of flames that await me.

Chuahtemoc
11-19-2003, 06:57 PM
I just spent half an hour of my precious time reading this retarded thread about how people enjoy spamming because they suck at the game... Grrrrrr! I'm gonna go dark side in JA now! >:( lol:bdroid2:

Kurgan
11-19-2003, 09:43 PM
Well, we can all agree to disagree.

The fact is, killtrackers have a vast potential for abuse (sort of like admin mods) and have the potential to cause problems (such as lag), and for that it's perfectly reasonable for people to dislike them.

Plus they can be used in an inappropriate context (such as a gametype that isn't about individual kill points).

Master William has a right to his opinion and doesn't deserve to be flamed just because he's "wrong" or his opinion is unpopular.

Anyway, that's really cool Amidala, I'll be sure to try that next time I see a KT spammer! ; )

Master William
11-19-2003, 09:46 PM
Thank you, Kurgan. I appreciate the respect ;)

Sgt. Antronch
11-19-2003, 09:53 PM
Now, listen the best player in the world can get a killtracker and use it, but he may not, the worst player in the world may or may not, some people may hate the spam BUT USING A KILL TRACKER DOES NOT MAKE SOMEONEA NOOB!!!

1)some people use killtrackers because they have low esteem

2) some people use killtrackers because they love to spam people

3) some people use killtrackers as proof to their friends (even though the cfg CAN be modified)

4) anyone who says killtrackers are for Newbies have no idea what they are talking about

there.

that said does anyone understand the fact yet, or do I need to scream some more? :p

EDIT: for those people who have pmed me about similar topics sasying i was wrong, let me try to say it again on this one: Killtrackers CAN be abused, but USING a killtracker doesn't mean the person is or isn't a newbie/lamer/whateverthe**** you call people you are angry at.

Sgt. Antronch
11-19-2003, 10:00 PM
Originally posted by Amidala from Chop Shop
Here is a great tip for all killtracker despisers:

If you are playing a game and some inconsiderate person continues to use a killtracker despite server rules, MOTDs, automated messages, and multiple polite and not-so-polite requests to turn it off, just change your name to the killtracker-spammer's name (I think it must be exactly the same including colors, symbols, etc.) and type !ktoff or !silent in chat. It will turn off the other person's killtracker! It works in JK2 and I assume it will work in JA as well

Then simply say !kton again, instead of ktspam it becomes player spam and you are a spammer as well for doing so, congratulations, server disconnected; was kicked

FK | unnamed
11-20-2003, 04:35 AM
As much as I dislike kill trackers I have to admit that one that has the message "HAHAH you ****head I kicked you" as the default message when you finish a guy with a kick made me laugh pretty hard the first time I saw it in action.