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PG|Prometheus
11-18-2003, 02:52 PM
Hi there!

Jedi Academy has arrived at Proving Grounds (http://www.provinggrounds.com) and we're
pleased to announce our first set of Jedi Academy ladders. Ignite your
light saber and head for the JA Sabers 1vs1 Full Force ladders (http://www.provinggrounds.com/ladder.cfm?ladder=181)and/or JA Sabers
1vs1 No Force ladders (http://www.provinggrounds.com/ladder.cfm?ladder=180). Each ladder caters to a force preference and
very unique gameplay. If you're looking for a way to hone your saber
skills, join a PG ladder today! If you have any questions regarding
these ladders, please contact Prometheus (prometheus@provinggrounds.com) or Binary (binary@provinggrounds.com) or post in our JA Forums (http://www.provinggrounds.com/forums/view.cfm?action=view&fsection) Both US and Euro players are welcome.

We're also looking for additional Admins for our Jedi Academy ladders
and any upcoming tournaments. Please fill out an apllication (http://www.provinggrounds.com/admin_new.cfm) if you're qualified and interested.

We hope to see you there!

Prometheus
Assistant Admin of JA operations
Proving Grounds - http://www.provinggrounds.com

PG|Prometheus
11-18-2003, 04:00 PM
In addition to mail, the forum is located here (http://www.provinggrounds.com/forums/view.cfm?action=view&fsection=259)

PG|Prometheus
11-18-2003, 05:35 PM
uh sorry, could you make this thread sticky please?

GreenSmoke
11-18-2003, 07:00 PM
uh, sorry, no one wants to play this pos game on ur pos ladder

uh, sorry, gtfo plz

uh, sorry, we already have a twl ladder that and one neglected ladder is enough

uh, sorry, gtfo

PG|Prometheus
11-18-2003, 07:24 PM
hehe thnx for bumping the thread though man.

DarthCobra
11-18-2003, 08:06 PM
Some ppl are just so rude. More ladders the better. We need more Team FFA ladders for the teams out there, maybe even a siege.

Look fwd to some good matchs.

PG|Prometheus
11-18-2003, 08:18 PM
As these ladders expand, we can start new ladders. But if noones interested, then...

PG|Prometheus
11-18-2003, 10:31 PM
*bump* Please make this thread sticky :P

Sam Fisher
11-18-2003, 11:45 PM
I might be intrested...


But I have no idea as to what you do on 'ladders'.

PG|Prometheus
11-19-2003, 04:17 PM
Ladders are just a way of matching people. It records all you wins and adds them up. As you win more matches, you rise up the ladder. But say, if you play someone on a low rung and win, you'll rise a few places, but if you play someone on a higher rung (as the nearer the top you are, the generally better you are) and win, you'll rise up quite a lot of places.
Overall its just a fun way of regularly playing people and its down to you whether you play someone not as good, about the same, or better than you!

FK | unnamed
11-20-2003, 04:28 AM
PG is tight ladder system, I wish you guys the best of luck.

PG|Prometheus
11-20-2003, 04:16 PM
Thnx unnamed.
We're considering expanding to some more JA ladders (maybe s/o ctf with xmod 2) but if noone is interested in these ladders, it seems unlikely.

ManaMana
11-20-2003, 04:30 PM
Prometheus... There are many ladders out there... Why make THIS post sticky?:p :D

PG|Prometheus
11-20-2003, 06:10 PM
Because this really is the most organised ladder I've seen. Others either are disorganised or far to complex (like drafting etc. People don't turn up, are late etc.).

There aren't that many ladders out there actually.

Plus the other ladder thread was made sticky :P

Agen
11-20-2003, 07:48 PM
Yeah, I signed up a few hours ago, looks nice and sleek 8-)
I'm pretty prepared to get totally whooped by Cobra. :)

EDIT: JediNiteDG has accepted your [{IGF}Agen_Terminator] challenge on the Jedi Academy DM 1vs1 Sabers NF ladder!

JediNiteDG has chosen Hoth Canyon as the first map to be played, and Abandoned City as a tiebreaker if one is needed.

Offered date and times are Nov 26 2003 at 7:30 PM EST, and Nov 28 2003 at 8:30 PM EST.
:D :D

Not to sure on his timing though... 1.30am :/

Sam Fisher
11-20-2003, 08:13 PM
I was wondering, do you only get single saber? Or can you also get staff and duals?

Agen
11-20-2003, 08:17 PM
Well they'd have to let people choose whatever they want otherwise it's unfair :p
No worries since i'm a singler anyhoo :)

PG|Prometheus
11-20-2003, 08:49 PM
hehhe terminator, thats 1:30 here too >/ Maybe I'll miss that one lol :P

All saber types and styles are allowed.
All forces are allowed in ff dueling (although removing drain was considered as people can now drain health quicker than people can take it away). If this is the case, drain will be removed (or force regen lowered).

Sam Fisher
11-20-2003, 11:38 PM
Yep, I'm a single saberist also ;)

No one like me online. :¨:

BTW, if your wondering... My stats (http://www.bladeworks.net/playerstats.php?dest=profile&bwsite=1&id=21713&gid=21&div=3)

PG|Prometheus
11-21-2003, 04:07 PM
hehe

*bump*

Agen
11-21-2003, 05:56 PM
This needs more sign ups :/

PG|Prometheus
11-21-2003, 08:45 PM
Indeed. Unfortuantely, the vast majority of competetive players didn't move on from JK2. That leaves just a few and whatever new competetive players there are. Theres only a handful of players in other ladders (86 in the nf duel I think) and thats a poor turnout for a new game.

thelastaod
11-22-2003, 12:41 AM
ja sucks

bodstevens
11-22-2003, 01:02 AM
yeah best of luck, but this game is too random for any serious playing...
The turn outs for all ladders for this will be poor due to random saber combat and lack of effective combos / skill ramp....
I only have seen 2 players on the FF ladder...
s/o ctf is a lost cause with this game.
And why the heck did LA have raven put the blue glow back for absorb? It makes it useless and gives drainers in duels a huge advantage. Also in ctf it makes the dark player not give power to the light siders when draining gripping ect...thus negating the reason for absorb to protect against attacks. Also the dark guy waits for absorb to turn off and wham drain drain drain ..
I on a lan game dfa'ed an other player with red and he didn't die.
then he hits me with the staff butterfly Staff version of red stance dfa and kills me right away...random i say.... and it was on a LAN....not over the net.
Not being a jerk just pointing out why no one will play on ladders.

Agen
11-22-2003, 01:55 AM
Originally posted by bodstevens
yeah best of luck, but this game is too random for any serious playing...
The turn outs for all ladders for this will be poor due to random saber combat and lack of effective combos / skill ramp....
I only have seen 2 players on the FF ladder...
s/o ctf is a lost cause with this game.
And why the heck did LA have raven put the blue glow back for absorb? It makes it useless and gives drainers in duels a huge advantage. Also in ctf it makes the dark player not give power to the light siders when draining gripping ect...thus negating the reason for absorb to protect against attacks. Also the dark guy waits for absorb to turn off and wham drain drain drain ..
I on a lan game dfa'ed an other player with red and he didn't die.
then he hits me with the staff butterfly Staff version of red stance dfa and kills me right away...random i say.... and it was on a LAN....not over the net.
Not being a jerk just pointing out why no one will play on ladders.
Sure the game might be a bit random at times with hit detection etc. but pure skill is unbeatable in the long run.
Also the DFA isn't a one hit kill anymore, it isn't randomness and the butterfly is much more powerful = you die. The butterfly is probably the staff's best move.

gives drainers in duels a huge advantage
Are you saying that people who aren't using drain, DON'T have the choice to pick drain or use it?
just pointing out why no one will play on ladders
Nope, Most of the competitive players were too used to jk2 to actually change to a different game. Unadaptability, mate.

FK | unnamed
11-22-2003, 04:39 AM
Nope, Most of the competitive players were too used to jk2 to actually change to a different game. Unadaptability, mate.

Donít be to sure about that.

Most of us did not move on because JA because it is so simple and nerfed that it bores us to death.

As for adapting.. Well, don't take this as an insult because it is not, but a vet JK2 player would violate any of you from here to china and back if you ever went head to head with one.

I can personally attest to this because quite frankly, I've logged all of maybe 10 hours max in Jedi Academy, and to be honest, pubbing in Academy is not different than what it was in Outcast.

I encounter scores an scores of player who simply don't know the finer points of game play mechanics beyond the typical game manual fodder like "Absorb will counter Dark side powers".


The truth is, so much of JA is pure text book JK2 that the bottom line is, although a lot of things were nerfed to the point of just being a laughing stock, the majority of content beyond the new Kata moves and the roll stabs (I'm talking about forming a tactical strategy) remains best done by those who mastered it in Outcast.

Doubt that?
Watch this:

http://www.coe.uncc.edu/~ahhjelt/apvsSiN.dm_25

Why is this demo important you ask?

It simply shows how those don't just know the game, but know the game will always prevail.

(btw this was a ladder match from twl, and one of the players, pyro is a jk2 vet that has played jk2 almost as little as I have.
The other team? That's the leader and one of the top guys from the largest most active clan in Jedi Academy. Note I did not say the best... the demo proves all that I just stated about old school players handing people their rumps with as much ease as they did in Outcast)

Notice how one team chains team energize, long range pull+throws and almost never gets in harms way of a flailing saber?

That's not on accident amigo.






;)

PG|Prometheus
11-22-2003, 11:26 AM
Yes the game is very random. This nonsense about 'skill' prevailing, is just that, nonsense. I mean naturally, if the skill gap is too big,the better player will win, but as soon as you get players who are as good as each other (as you do on ladders), skill isn't the decisive factor. Randomosity is. Duels can be won or lost on a whim.
But as soon as the devs patch, or if necessary a mod has to do it for them, we hope to use it.

As for JA vs JK2. Well unfortunately, Raven made drain so powerful (whilst removing high damge combos) that ff duels verses two good players are impossible to win. If one guy is low, he can drain whore health back, whilst the other guy cant do any attack whatsoever. All the special moves don't have a long enough range (so the guy can just back pedal and drain). This is providing that you even have enough force to do a special move (due to the guy draining your force).
This means as soon as someone is low, they can drain everything back without the worry that a long range attack or whatever can kill them.

I hope JA can be fixed so that real competetive matches can be restored.

Master William
11-22-2003, 12:23 PM
Originally posted by FK | unnamed
Donít be to sure about that.

Most of us did not move on because JA because it is so simple and nerfed that it bores us to death.

As for adapting.. Well, don't take this as an insult because it is not, but a vet JK2 player would violate any of you from here to china and back if you ever went head to head with one.

I can personally attest to this because quite frankly, I've logged all of maybe 10 hours max in Jedi Academy, and to be honest, pubbing in Academy is not different than what it was in Outcast.

I encounter scores an scores of player who simply don't know the finer points of game play mechanics beyond the typical game manual fodder like "Absorb will counter Dark side powers".


The truth is, so much of JA is pure text book JK2 that the bottom line is, although a lot of things were nerfed to the point of just being a laughing stock, the majority of content beyond the new Kata moves and the roll stabs (I'm talking about forming a tactical strategy) remains best done by those who mastered it in Outcast.

Doubt that?
Watch this:

http://www.coe.uncc.edu/~ahhjelt/apvsSiN.dm_25

Why is this demo important you ask?

It simply shows how those don't just know the game, but know the game will always prevail.

(btw this was a ladder match from twl, and one of the players, pyro is a jk2 vet that has played jk2 almost as little as I have.
The other team? That's the leader and one of the top guys from the largest most active clan in Jedi Academy. Note I did not say the best... the demo proves all that I just stated about old school players handing people their rumps with as much ease as they did in Outcast)

Notice how one team chains team energize, long range pull+throws and almost never gets in harms way of a flailing saber?

That's not on accident amigo.






;)

I am a Jk2 vet (used to play the game since it was released and all) and I surely mastered the game. I wasn't a little 'OMG I WANNA B DARK SIDE AND GRIP EVERY1' type of guy, I quickly learned about the Absorb and all that.

I used to own in JA until I stopped playing it (not any fun anymore, the maps kind of bore me out to death, JK2 had such good custom maps). And I know what us jk2 vets do, Unnamed. It's just alot of red stance side swinging. It sure does not fit in duels, as I kept slashing this guy, he never even died. I myself did lose alot of damage for a little slash though.

Anyway what I'm saying is that being a 'JK2 Vet' is like taking JK2 into JA, just run around red stance side swinging, while laughing at the dual saberists and staffists calling them ''hack slash spam noobs'' or giving the dual sabers the nick name ''noob sticks''.

I only use single saber when I really want to kill somebody, but I always use the staff or dual sabers because I find them more fun.

PG|Prometheus
11-22-2003, 07:58 PM
But also, when you hit someone, I would like it to hit them and when someone misses, I don't want it to hit. Otherwise theres no point in 'training' to get better when random, missed shots are hitting.

PG|Prometheus
11-22-2003, 10:16 PM
Come on! You banned Flashram quickly enough, plz make this thread sticky! :P

Kurgan
11-23-2003, 08:43 AM
Its hard to steer people away from the "But JA isn't as good as JK2" debate, but since you want publicity for the ladder, I'll sticky it.

Just keep in mind it may not be sticky forever!

Good luck.

PG|Prometheus
11-23-2003, 10:52 AM
Thanks.

SpecialForces
11-25-2003, 11:18 PM
Whats up with this jk2 is better than jk3 **** dont you guys relize that jk3 is a new game! It will be just as good and better than jk2 soon. The upcoming holidays will boost the players allot, and more maps will come out and I know some people that will be making mods including me when the sdk comes out.
The reality of it is, that jk2 players still like jk2 and are waiting for Christmas to come(like me)..
I map I mod I dont really care about skinning and I am pretty good... no really good so I am a "vet" too.
From a mapping and modding point of view there is ALLOT I MEAN ALLOT more things you can do.
And just wait a fiew months and it will be just as popular as jk2 was...
BTW there are half as manny people and servers as there used to be and most servers are not off because they have allready paid for them so it looks to me like its jk3 or nothing pretty soon..

LOTS OF PEOPLE WILL COME!!! :)

As for the ladder I think thats a great idea, but I hate the sceduels and crap........

Please dont talk **** about jk3 your not helping....
Oh yea, I hope there wont be sico admin mods, admins abuse the powers to much, most servers in jk2 are full of power hungry ass hole admins, its hard to find a good FFA and CTF server these days.....

locdog420
11-30-2003, 05:51 AM
Its a shame that ladders are pretty much dead for nf dueling! I remember in dark forces 2 that EVERYONE was on cases ladder for nf duels, there was about ...500 people on the ladder, lol! And now look! All these new generations duelers, ladders fizzled out with Jedi Outcast and with JA! Servers run their gay stats crap, and list the stats on their sites, like darkstats, and such! The thing is half the people are cheating by getting their scores! Some examples would be finding a stats server when nobody is on it, and having a friend let you kill him over and over while they change their name often! Or changing your name before you die! LOL, these are really qay, and I have owned the people listed in the top 10 on darkstats servers! So its all BS! We need a huge tournament for JA, to prove who is the the real top dawg in nf duelz! That is the only way to prove skill! Plus on darkstats and such you can change your name to someone elses and lose with it, and mess their stats all up! Give me a break , there is people that are like 300 and 10 or some crap like that,you lose more matches in 300 duels due to glitch hits that 10! ROFL Oh wait this one is funny he is 328 and 0 http://www.darkstats.com/viewplayer.asp?id=52836&server=0 look at the names of the people he has killed! He killed some dude 209 times lol, whatever, how about his own name listed in his kill list! Well I am done bringing down server stats like darkstats! L8r yall

PG|Prometheus
11-30-2003, 12:14 PM
Thats a very real problem and is the downfall of stats servers.
However, our ladders work off a win basis, where matches are planned. Most matches are specced by an admin, aswell as ip checks being run to stop smurfing/multi's.

We plan to make our ff ladders run xmod2 as compulsory (meaning kicking is allowed) aswell as a new ff s/o ctf ladder running xmod2 coming soon.

Agen
11-30-2003, 08:17 PM
Plus on battelstats and such you can change your name to someone elses and lose with it, and mess their stats all up
That's BS, my friend. When someone participates in a match it sends out an e-mail to all the competitors and if they haven't participated in the match then you dispute it and the imposter gets banned and the match doesn't count. Not only that but you arrange matches on an irc channel... your ip address is usually logged so if it's an imposter, they'll find out.


We plan to make our ff ladders run xmod2 as compulsory (meaning kicking is allowed) aswell as a new ff s/o ctf ladder running xmod2 coming soon.
Sounds great, I'll be joining :) Too bad i suck at ctf :p

locdog420
12-01-2003, 01:27 AM
SORRY I DIDN'T MEAN battlestats i meant DARKSTATS gook, if you read my ENTIRE post you could come to the conclusion that it was a typo!

Agen
12-01-2003, 02:08 PM
Well I know responding to this is a bit petty but you said Plus as if you were going on to another similar subject :p
Anyway, not that many use Darkstats, I've beaten some of the top players on that list, they obviously just play a lot.

Karn
12-18-2003, 05:09 AM
Ladders dead for nf dueling? Wow you guys havnt noticed all the @BWN duel servers? www.bladeworks.net great ladder system.

DarthCobra
12-18-2003, 09:12 PM
Just a little rant. DUEL MODE SUCKS! Whats it at half damage, I'd have an easier time killing someone with a 2x4. Give us some TFFA ladders for some team play, enough of this 1vs1 DUEL MODE BROKEN CRAP! Lets take it to FFA mode where the damage is almost correct aside from these lame new sabers that just kill at random.

End Rant.

Agen
09-27-2005, 07:54 PM
I'm pretty sure Proving Grounds is as dead as a dodo. There's no need for this thread to be stickied any longer. :P

___ACROBAT___
04-28-2006, 03:48 AM
I miss the days of Case's ladder for jk1. sigh. If case's was up for jk2, I would never stop playing!