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Agen
11-29-2003, 04:10 PM
I've noticed a disturbing trend that might seem a bit anti american and german but take my word for it that it isn't :)
I normally play on UK servers and don’t usually have too much bother but I used to go ‘n’ play Americans to see if they were any better than UKers. They weren’t of course, they were just the same skill level but one thing they were better at was giving the winning player a hard time. I didn’t realise this until now since I’ve been playing on a quite a good few German servers that they give you a super hard time! (sometimes their servers can get good pings as well as uk ones)
Is it just me or are the American and Germans more ‘joo are a noob’ and ‘Jaaaaaaaaa! The ***** is beaten’? I know this never usually happens unless I go to these servers….. I always thought it was because it was duel servers I was on.
Anyone else noticed these trends?
Feel free to post strange things you've found about nationalities.

vert1go
11-29-2003, 04:38 PM
I've noticed a lot of Germans have some real bent binds such as:

---+++[ GF ]+++---
**((-- ROFL --))**
etc.

Such binds, in my opinion, look pretty stupid, and as I said I only really notice people who speak German doing it. :x

|GG|Carl
11-29-2003, 05:02 PM
Swedes are worst! :mad:


...


<--- :p

griff38
11-29-2003, 05:44 PM
well the reason Americans are sore loosers (generally) is we are a bunch of panty-waist spoiled babies with delusions of grandeur.
(generally)


As for the Germans all I can say is they (generally) seem more interested in having fun than being competitive. The more competitive and harder you play the more likely they are to give you some crap. (generally)

Agen
11-29-2003, 06:02 PM
As for the Germans all I can say is they (generally) seem more interested in having fun than being competitive. The more competitive and harder you play the more likely they are to give you some crap. (generally)
Heh, fair enough about the American
Well you see, most of the time (since i don't speak german) I just play and don't talk, then the floods of german gibberish mixed with osme words like nub and f*ck. I'm definately not a competitive play, i play for fun but the germans still hammer in as soon as about 3 in a row get beat. This totally boggles me :S

Darth Kaan
11-29-2003, 06:10 PM
Sterotypes aside, server atmoshpere is dictated greatly by the personality types of the people playing on it.

Agen
11-29-2003, 06:19 PM
and if it's mostly Germans or Americans on it you get grief for simply being successful.

Darth Kaan
11-29-2003, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
and if it's mostly Germans or Americans on it you get grief for simply being successful.

Well, like Morpheus told Neo in the Matrix;

Welcome to the real world...

Master William
11-29-2003, 07:15 PM
The only thing I find annoying about the Germans are that they refuse to speak English, it's like they're too proud over their language.

Nexus: plz speak english if you are talking to me
-=IchHabLightsaber=- : no

Heh...

And the americans do get a bit cocky (they start cussing alot) but otherwise I see no other problem with them... Except that they might make up excuses like ''pff you win because you spam butterfly''.

Neverhoodian
11-29-2003, 07:46 PM
originally posted by griff38:
well the reason Americans are sore loosers (generally) is we are a bunch of panty-waist spoiled babies with delusions of grandeur.
(generally)


ROFL! Couldn't have said it better!

It also might be the fact that quite a few of us American players are pre-teens with overactive hormones and short tempers. (that's not saying that all pre-teens are like that, but they're out there) One time I saw an American guy hitting on another player just because they were using a female character model! :P

Sad, I tell you...

Darth MarcII
11-29-2003, 07:50 PM
Boy, ignorant stereotypes abound in this server. What's next? Racial slurs?:confused:

I've played with Americans, Canadians, Europeans, Arabs, etc. No one is naturally predisposed to be an idiot. Try playing with a greater variety of people and open your minds.

Agen
11-29-2003, 08:14 PM
The only thing I find annoying about the Germans are that they refuse to speak English, it's like they're too proud over their language.
Heh, Yeah, I noticed that almost every german server has at least one guy who says "then learn german" once i say i speak english.

Welcome to the real world...
Why is it mostly these people though?? Are they brought up to slag other cultures if they do successful????

Darth MarcII
11-29-2003, 08:17 PM
Why is it mostly these people though?? Are they brought up to slag other cultures if they do successful????

No, just the one's who are not brought up correctly. Which is wherever you go.

Kengo
11-29-2003, 08:30 PM
Surely if you go on a German server you can't expect them to start speaking English for you...I can hardly imagine the opposite happening (English speaking people talking to a German in his home language).

I really doubt you'll find players from one country another acting massively different. You could say "Lots of American players are really bad losers" or "German players are all elitist" or whatever, but I doubt such generalisations hold true. I've played on servers from all over and I haven't noticed any national trends. Oh, wait, one thing I did notice. I went on a Hungarian server, and they were ALL talking Hungarian :cool:

Agen
11-29-2003, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by Darth MarcII
Are they brought up to slag other cultures if they do successful????

No, just the one's who are not brought up correctly. Which is wherever you go.
It was a joke, egghead.

Surely if you go on a German server you can't expect them to start speaking English for you...I can hardly imagine the opposite happening (English speaking people talking to a German in his home language).
I never said I expected them to (but william did)
They do resort to english to insult people though.

I really doubt you'll find players from one country another acting massively different.
Well I do and I have spoke to many who agree with me, there ya go.

Rumor
11-29-2003, 10:13 PM
many american kids are pussified little bitches nowadays. hell just about the whole country is.

when i was little kids got in fist fights and the next day they were best friends. now you fight at school you get suspended and put on probation and ****, and the hatred festers between them, because they cant settle their differences on a very basic level (lot easier and effective than on a cognitive level).

Master William
11-29-2003, 10:23 PM
I was referring to german players in general, even when the server is english, they tend to stick to their language, and refuse to talk english. That's where my admin powers come in, seeing as they are breaking a rule... (I do give them warnings before I kick them ;))

Lathain Valtiel
11-29-2003, 10:32 PM
This is absurd and utterly retarded if I may say.

I've played UKers, fellow Americans, some French, and obvious Germans.

While I do notice the language point which I cannot blame them for, I notice all are sore losers equally.

This is complete and utter bull, plain and simple. You're just seeing what you want to see I imagine, or are getting severely unlucky with the player pool.

MuRaSaMuNe
11-29-2003, 10:37 PM
Originally posted by vert1go
I've noticed a lot of Germans have some real bent binds such as:

---+++[ GF ]+++---
**((-- ROFL --))**
etc.

Such binds, in my opinion, look pretty stupid, and as I said I only really notice people who speak German doing it. :x

lol! I'm not the only one who noticed I guess. I also notice they use a lot of smiley faces..... more-so then others. Such as " ^_^ May the force be with you!!! ^_^".

Sam Fisher
11-29-2003, 11:56 PM
I've been accused of using "aimbot" before :confused:

I've never used any thing like it, and never plan to, but its prolly because I usually have a 50/5 kill ratio(sp?)

Odd.

P.S

I really only play Duels.

eniaC
11-30-2003, 12:22 AM
Great we got a Women bashing thread and a thread devoted to rascism on these forums.

British folks are nice though.


Master William,
GOD YOUR AN IDIOT, lets ban people for using their native tongue, not all Germans can speak English, I know this for a fact, my aunt teaches it in Bonn.
Who the f*ck said English has to be spoken by everyone.

Until you can speak Latin, stfu.

g//plaZma
11-30-2003, 12:29 AM
How 'bout we throw our blind racial sterotypes around somewhere else, huh?

The only thing I agree with here is that Germans frequently spam those stupid --=[( LOL )]=-- binds everywhere, although I've seen a few others use them too.

fk | screed
11-30-2003, 12:51 AM
Originally posted by g//plaZma
How 'bout we throw our blind racial sterotypes around somewhere else, huh?

The only thing I agree with here is that Germans frequently spam those stupid --=[( LOL )]=-- binds everywhere, although I've seen a few others use them too.

I find that Germans dont liked to be stereotyped as all being Nazi's. You start spamming Sieg Heil! and they get mad rather quick :D

Sam Fisher
11-30-2003, 01:13 AM
Et tu, eniaC? Rident stolidi verba English lingua.

Well, I do speak some Latin. Ha!

Master William
11-30-2003, 01:13 AM
screed, English is the most universal spoken language in the world. It is a must to know, seeing as everyone doesn't speak your native tounge.

As for your cockyness -- I'm only annoyed at germans who won't speak english in english servers, where it is one of the rules to speak english only. It also annoys me when they are talking to me, but they refuse to speak english like they hated it.

I have an opinion and thought of a certain thing. You sir, should not bash me for having that.

Rumor
11-30-2003, 02:29 AM
doesn't mean you are not a dumbass, nor that your opinion is based on a stupid view or belief.

g//plaZma
11-30-2003, 02:35 AM
Originally posted by Master William
screed, English is the most universal spoken language in the world. It is a must to know, seeing as everyone doesn't speak your native tounge.

As for your cockyness -- I'm only annoyed at germans who won't speak english in english servers, where it is one of the rules to speak english only. It also annoys me when they are talking to me, but they refuse to speak english like they hated it.

I have an opinion and thought of a certain thing. You sir, should not bash me for having that.

I've played on German servers now and then. Do I get banned for speaking English (which a lot of German players do know) on their servers? No. Do I get banned for not knowing much German? Nope.

If the point that you are trying to prove is that you're xenophobic, I'd agree.

eniaC
11-30-2003, 02:47 AM
Originally posted by Sam Fisher
Et tu, eniaC? Rident stolidi verba English lingua.

Well, I do speak some Latin. Ha!

nah, I can't speak it or write it, lol, just trying to make a point.

Y tu Sam, stick with it, tough language.

How about Sanscript(Sanskrit), you speak that also? ;)

SlapNut
11-30-2003, 04:28 AM
ive only played on an american server once, and as soon as i got on, no one was playing properly and they were saying mean things to me, im not saying all usa servers are like that, but it was a first impression.

fk | screed
11-30-2003, 04:44 AM
Originally posted by SlapNut
ive only played on an american server once, and as soon as i got on, no one was playing properly and they were saying mean things to me, im not saying all usa servers are like that, but it was a first impression.

Define, "Playing Properly"

Nemesis787
11-30-2003, 05:37 AM
Will you next thread be titled "Has anyone noticed something about the Ignorant and the prejudiced?"

While I do notice the language point which I cannot blame them for, I notice all are sore losers equally.
I could not agree more. Well said.

Poor sportsmanship occurs among all nationalities. Why post a thread like this? Who cares if someone chats in German or French or Spanish? Even if these players know English, every language has its colloquialisms that do not translate into english and vice versa. everyday english is full of colloquiallisms which are not taught to non english speakers. I speak spanish , however, I have a very hard time with spanish "slang" and many jokes make no sense in english. This is why many people who speak english as a second language choose to use their native language while chatting with friends.

The interesting thing about people who master multiple languages is that they also tend to develop an appreciation of different cultures and points of view.

We could all benefit from such understanding.

Note: I welcome all nationalities on my server. Including Germans and Americans. :)



DarthNemesis Admin DarkMatter Public-1

Sam
11-30-2003, 05:53 AM
This thread reminds me of This (http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2003-11-07&res=h)

:p

Astrotoy7
11-30-2003, 07:19 AM
An American, a German and an admin walked into a bar.....

This thread has increasingly little to do with JA gameplay specifically.....

Boy, racism here and sexism in the rant thread, the admins are obviously still at the park picnic.....

MTFBWYA

Sam Fisher
11-30-2003, 01:10 PM
How about Sanscript(Sanskrit), you speak that also?

Naw, too bad. :(

But why do I want to? Its all Greek to me. :rofl:

griff38
11-30-2003, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by Rumor
many american kids are pussified little bitches nowadays. hell just about the whole country is.

when i was little kids got in fist fights and the next day they were best friends. now you fight at school you get suspended and put on probation and ****, and the hatred festers between them, because they cant settle their differences on a very basic level (lot easier and effective than on a cognitive level).


You said it my brotha man.
Just look at the panties in wad cry babies shouting about racial slurs and the like.

The diversity between human cultures promotes growth and new experience for all humans, regognizing this and not being afraid to speak about it is not racism. And in this day and age it brings out alot of people whos emotional state is stunted from Political correctness.

My point about citizens of the US (generally) being poor loosers and poor winners has been made over and over again in this thread.


PS does anybody know the difference between generalites and specifics anymore?

Master William
11-30-2003, 02:04 PM
plazma I'm saying that they refuse to speak english when it is needed.

Let me explain what I mean:

Austich: nexus
Nexus: yes?
Austich: <something in german>
Nexus: i dont know german, please speak english if you want me to understand...
Austich: no
Nexus: well then dont talk to me, because I don't know german
Austich: <continues to talk with me in german>
Nexus: look either talk to me in english or leave
Austich: **** you
Nexus: -=LOL=-

That's my point (a bit dumb explained).

Astrotoy7
11-30-2003, 02:21 PM
Rumour -
What. No fistfights ! Man I'm glad I dont live in the US....... :p

Griff -
What are generalites, are they Bible characters like israelites

Master William -
you lucky bugger, surrounded by swedish babes 24/7 (whoops, wrong thread..... :D )

Astrotoy7 -
stick to the topic : bigotry in JA MP

MTFBWYA

FK | unnamed
11-30-2003, 05:19 PM
This is actually a very good thread, just don't get all bent out of shape people, we all need to laugh at ourselves sometimes.

;)


Serious though, here are some observations I made in the last year and a half playing these two games:


Germans and the Swedes have the weirdest binds like vert1go
said:

GOOD==+>>***L<--->O<--->L***<<===FIGHT!


I have no idea why this is, but even in the German competitive community, they use these silly binds...


Now that said, I will say the "most ruthless player award" has to go to the German competitive community.

By this I mean they simply show you no mercy what so ever in matches.

Now don't get me wrong, American competitive players are just the same, but for us "style" counts as well.

We like to bulldoze people and beat the living hell out of them. When we "own" a person/team, we want them to know it.


For the Germans, well here is a typical scenario:

Match starts, 20 minute time limit.

German player zaps one single point off your shields from across the map with level 2 lightning... and strafe jumps around the map like a bat out of hell (so you can't get close enough to touch him) for 20 minutes straight until the time runs out and takes a "time win".

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing that way of playing, but in the global competitive community there is a term known as "playing Euro" which basically means doing what I just mentioned.


As for the U.K. players, well to be honest the only thing I noticed about them is a lot of them are really, really heavy into the "honor" thing.


As for the Americans, well keep in mind that most of our kids these days are spoiled brats raised by parents who were spoiled brats.

When I grew up I would get a belt across my ass when I did something bad, today kids get "time outs" or they get sent to a therapist and pumped up on dope all at the expense of mom and dad’s insurance company.

So if you think dealing with them in a video game is frustrating... try making it through the day with out choking the living **** out of these types of people when you are surrounded by them day in and day out in the real world.

:eek:

noide
11-30-2003, 05:33 PM
wen a kid is actin messd up round here they get shot up with dexadrine or **** like riddlin. lol ^_^

Kurgan
11-30-2003, 09:39 PM
I think it's kinda cool. There seem to be a LOT of German Jedi Knight players, and the one's I've met have been by and large pretty friendly/nice/players.

It's also neat because I'm learning German, so it gives me a bit of practice even when I'm "not studying" heh. ; )

eniaC
11-30-2003, 09:56 PM
Originally posted by FK | unnamed

When I grew up I would get a belt across my ass when I did something bad, today kids get "time outs" or they get sent to a therapist and pumped up on dope all at the expense of mom and dad’s insurance company.

So if you think dealing with them in a video game is frustrating... try making it through the day with out choking the living **** out of these types of people when you are surrounded by them day in and day out in the real world.

:eek:

I always got the wooden spoon across my a**.
My mother's thoery was that it took away the fear of her hand and replaced it with the fear of a physical object.
The belt and a switch work too, especially when they make you go find your own swtch(stick).

I think placing a kid ina corner is much worse then this, physical scars go away(theoretically) and mental ones tend to not sometimes.

I feel bad for my dad's generation. My gramps is a WWII Navy vet(a great and kind man though), you should see the belt he sharpens his razor on, yyyyeeeeeoooouch.

Personally, I put my son on vidoe game restriction, works everytime.

psycore
12-01-2003, 10:19 AM
Originally posted by vert1go
I've noticed a lot of Germans have some real bent binds such as:

---+++[ GF ]+++---
**((-- ROFL --))**
etc.

Such binds, in my opinion, look pretty stupid, and as I said I only really notice people who speak German doing it. :x

i mean what is stupid to bind several for some creative bindings if they wish? i think it looks better and so everyone has his own style and some look really cool imo.
then i mean what is better a bind spammer which has his own style or almost all the american and english players with their KT-Spam.....

also languages i mean what som think they come on a german clanserver and spam: stop german talk english ffs, i mean pah just go out of there... simple but effective:)
then second most if not all germans and that are aswell swiss and austrians like me:) learn in school minimum 8 years english every day and i know enough people who dont like this language
and cant speak after that english very well maybe its too hard....

and what i also want to say is u cant say everything or better translate into english from your native so its a bit hard also for me sometimes to say my feels or what ever

Kurgan
12-01-2003, 10:23 AM
Here's a theory:

They don't understand much english.

They know that english speaking players like to throw around a lot of slang anyway.

They take those oft-used phrases and bind them to keys for ease of use.



I guess it would be like if I joined a german server regularly and I knew a few german phrases, I could bind them to keys to save time.

TiE23
12-01-2003, 03:36 PM
I am thinking or taking German for Highschool next year, and it says German is the second most spoken language on the internet :D But I don't know if German is for me, i can speak like 30+ words of spanish, and only like 3+ words of German :(

TiE

Agen
12-01-2003, 05:13 PM
Just to make it clear, I know and have palyed lots of Germans at JA (and americans) who are great guys. Some people just jump to the "Oh, you're very stereotypical and racist you evil racist person" :rolleyes:

griff38
12-01-2003, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by Astrotoy7
Griff -
What are generalites, are they Bible characters like israelites

MTFBWYA



Ha ha , no seriously ha ha.

Sorry I don't spell check during the holidays. Too busy having sex with Germans and fighting with Americans.

AND don't bring up israelites when talking about Germans & Americans or else we really will have a fight.

Astrotoy7
12-02-2003, 01:17 AM
Originally posted by griff38
...Too busy having sex with Germans....

That's a bit worrying, German sexual practises are at times dubious..... this is probably illustrated by the fact they have the dodgiest porn known to man(and beast).... or so Ive heard...

MTFBWYA

legameboy
12-02-2003, 01:17 AM
Hey I'm not a spoiled bra- actually, I can be in a lot ways, lol. >.<

Truth to be told I think the switch is better than any time out I ever had. (Since my parents were "experimenting" with discipline.) :P

All players are cool, I never take notice, I mean, my best online friend is Swedish! ^_^

eniaC
12-02-2003, 05:13 AM
Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
Just to make it clear, I know and have palyed lots of Germans at JA (and americans) who are great guys. Some people just jump to the "Oh, you're very stereotypical and racist you evil racist person" :rolleyes:

I appologize if I made you feel that way with my comments.
I wasn't implying you were rascist, I am very sorry.

I was pissed from another thread regarding disrespect towards women and when I saw the title of the thread and what some of the other people said I just lost it.

I am not appologizing to the fascist ones though, and they know who they are.

acdcfanbill
12-02-2003, 06:13 AM
Yea, i, from america, have also noticed this anti 1st place mentality of US players. I've also been accused of using an aim bot, with my SABER! i chuckled for quite a while. I think most of the negative american vibes probably stem from teh fact that most players stand around and polish their hilts while waiting to duel honorably, in a FFA server :(

CapNColostomy
12-02-2003, 10:50 AM
A quick thing I'd like to note, so maybe I'll never see this on the internet again. Germany and America are not races of people. So even if you hate the dog**** out of everyone from either of these COUNTRIES, you are not a racist.

Agen
12-02-2003, 04:59 PM
I appologize if I made you feel that way with my comments.
I wasn't implying you were rascist, I am very sorry.

I was pissed from another thread regarding disrespect towards women and when I saw the title of the thread and what some of the other people said I just lost it.

Hey, nothing was directed at anyone specifically (if directed at all :p), just didn't want a slightly controversial subject have everyone just say non-controversial "you are bad" things otherwise the thread is pointless :p

I've also been accused of using an aim bot
heh, I've been acccused of cheating (what type i dunno :p) but is it really possible to get an aim bot for q3 engine games?

A quick thing I'd like to note, so maybe I'll never see this on the internet again. Germany and America are not races of people. So even if you hate the dog**** out of everyone from either of these COUNTRIES, you are not a racist.
You fight the power, bro
:p :thumbsup:

acdcfanbill
12-02-2003, 05:02 PM
yea its possible, but since most of the projectiles are so slow, humans are much better at aiming/leading. I think the most useful place was prob distruptor instagib mode, but i dont have much experiance with either ;)

CapNColostomy
12-02-2003, 06:56 PM
Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
You fight the power, bro
:p :thumbsup:

Haha, well I suppose I was being a little nit-pickish. But I've seen the exact thing on a forum for Delta Force happen. And while it's equally ignorant to hate people based on where they are from, or their race, I like to keep the ignorant devided into nice, neat, little sub-categories. Can you say "anal"?

Nimbus
12-04-2003, 05:06 AM
I'm an american of german decent, can i have a cookie?

Lathain Valtiel
12-04-2003, 07:13 AM
Originally posted by Astrotoy7
That's a bit worrying, German sexual practises are at times dubious..... this is probably illustrated by the fact they have the dodgiest porn known to man(and beast).... or so Ive heard...

MTFBWYA

Bull. Asians take the cake. One word. Tubgirl. CASE CLOSED.