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Astrotoy7
12-06-2003, 02:34 PM
For the last few weeks now, I had observed notable absences and infrequent appearances/posts by certain regulars... where were they........ PLAYING KOTOR !!!!!

I got it earlier today(First day local release here in Australia) and for an SW/EU/RPG fan its just mind blowing..... I can see why many are saying IT'S THE GREATEST STAR WARS GAME EVER !! And, I havent even picked up a lightsaber yet .......!

MTFBWYA

Kurgan
12-06-2003, 05:13 PM
Nah, all that means is they're sick of posting. ; )

Unless you mean you monitor all 500+ servers for "regulars."

They might be playing KOTOR too. ; )

Master William
12-06-2003, 06:16 PM
No, my elite clan will own your lamer n00b bowing clan....what the hell is KOTOR......???

Kurgan
12-06-2003, 08:07 PM
To answer your question, no the game hasn't become boring for me yet. When it starts to feel a little stale something always comes up to renew my interest (witness the "Not Enough Customization" thread for example, heh).

A new cheat, a new tweak, a new mod... etc.


Plus I haven't even started really MODDING yet myself, which I plan to one of these days (I made some custom bots but that's about it so far).


If you mean SP, yes it was easy (you got a lot better Force this time around), and I really only played it once through, but it was hard to tear myself away from MP to even do that much! ; )

Rumor
12-06-2003, 08:53 PM
i preorder'd kotor but it still hasn't come in for some ungodly reason.

DAMN YOU GAMESPOT

g//plaZma
12-06-2003, 09:04 PM
I play KOTOR moderately but I'd prefer playing JA (xmod) against real people, even if I'm also a big RPG fan. As of late, all my gaming time has been devoted to ET, CoD and a little JA.

t3rr0r
12-06-2003, 10:05 PM
i'd bother to vote if the poll wasn't so blatantly biased.

TK-8252
12-06-2003, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by t3rr0r
i'd bother to vote if the poll wasn't so blatantly biased. /me agrees

The Count
12-06-2003, 10:35 PM
Me 2; However I've been playing more; gonna complete it on Darkside now.

Sam Fisher
12-06-2003, 11:05 PM
I've been playing a lot of KotoR, and some JA :)

fk | screed
12-06-2003, 11:30 PM
YOu sir are wrong about KOTOR being the greatest SW game ever made.

That title belongs to two: Star Wars: Rebellion and Star Wars: Tie Fighter

Sam Fisher
12-06-2003, 11:32 PM
Ok, lets clear this up, ANY SW GAME IS AWESOME!

Ahem..

There is no 'best', but some have better graphics than others.. that's all..... :o

Rumor
12-06-2003, 11:38 PM
2 words: Force Commander

/me cringes :eek:

fk | screed
12-06-2003, 11:48 PM
Originally posted by Sam Fisher
Ok, lets clear this up, ANY SW GAME IS AWESOME!

Ahem..

There is no 'best', but some have better graphics than others.. that's all..... :o

You sir are wrong, there were actually quite a few crappy Star Wars games.
Graphics has nothing to do with what makes a game "good" its the replay value and "fun factor" that makes a game good.

Star Wars: Rebellion and Star Wars: Tie Fighter are the best Star Wars games that were ever made hands down.

Kurgan
12-07-2003, 01:11 AM
If you want to talk about mediocre or bad SW games, don't forget Jedi Power Battles and Obi-Wan. ; p

lllKyNeSlll
12-07-2003, 01:19 AM
jedi power battles was a fun game i thought, even though yes it was pretty ****ty, its pretty much jk2 sabering thats in a larger 3rd person and completely nerfed, you could say its 1.10 jk3.

However, about jk3 getting boring, I think the action will rise over XMAS because more people will play and get the game although probably only 10% of these people will play much online.

Samuel Dravis
12-07-2003, 01:24 AM
Force Commander was great. The only reason a lot of people didn't like it was that it didn't have mappable keys...obviously they couldn't adjust, and then bashed a good game.

TIE fighter is really good though. I bought Rogue Squadron (PC) and Starfighter (PC) and none of those are nearly as good as TIE fighter for immersion.

I've never had the opportunity to play Rebellion. What's the gameplay like?

And yes. I have been playing KotOR at the expense of any other game. Since I bought it on 11/20, I've played maybe 1 seige game...with my name as Revan. It's good.

As for playing JA again, I'll probably be back full tilt when the OJP Enhanced mod comes out. It's going to own.

Astrotoy7
12-07-2003, 10:30 AM
Originally posted by Kurgan
If you want to talk about mediocre or bad SW games, don't forget Jedi Power Battles and Obi-Wan. ; p

Aw C'mon K, JPB was cool for its day. Fast paced platform game style saber combat. I've never played Obi-Wan but have just heard heaps of bad things about it....

As for "all the 500+" regulars, of course not... Ive just noticed PRIME, Clemme w Stick, Siv, Eidospogos, txa..etc around there more than here...... they all seem quite chuffed with KOTOR. If you go onto teh BioWare forums, you will find the same..... MANY happy campers.... :D

As for SW game nostalgia....

Force Commander, Galactic Battlegrounds...just not my style....

SW Rebellion is a strange old game. I do like it, probably for the EU content, but the space combat bit was crap...I always used to simulate battles....

The Rebel Assualt series is still unbelievable, if not for its gameplay then for its presentation, I love that Bwing crash sequence for RA2.....

Rogue Squadron series......fun. The newer ones for the cube do look stunning too....

XW/Tie series....very cool....XWA has only been recently toppled by KOTOR as having the coolest SW storyline in a game....IMHO

I cant believe so many ppl have voted for option 2, The poll is a bit biased, as t3rr0r cleverly pointed out..... but I figured the MP gamers specifically needed an option too.....


Still KOTOR has knocked me flat.....
MTFBWYA

ExcelsioN
12-07-2003, 03:33 PM
Strange, none of those options match my opinion. JA is fun when you take it in 'small doses'. Don't glue yourself to your pc, it makes games get boring.

I'm getting KOTOR for christmas, and I'm definatley not getting SWG (unless they remove the monthly fee).

JA has bored me at certain points, but once all the mods start comin' out it should be much more fun...(melee mod especially).

Ah well, if its really boring, I think its time for LEC to announce JK4. :D

Chuahtemoc
12-07-2003, 04:43 PM
ja hasn't become boring for me yet. i mean, when it starts getting boring, i'll have to play a half hour, jack off, play a half hour,jack off, play a half hour, jack the **** off, you get the deal :p

Kurgan
12-07-2003, 06:40 PM
ja hasn't become boring for me yet. i mean, when it starts getting boring, i'll have to play a half hour, jack off, play a half hour,jack off, play a half hour, jack the **** off, you get the deal

Too much info!

The Count
12-07-2003, 07:49 PM
Originally posted by Samuel Dravis
Force Commander was great. The only reason a lot of people didn't like it was that it didn't have mappable keys...obviously they couldn't adjust, and then bashed a good game.


Thank you!

Darth Kaan
12-07-2003, 07:57 PM
LOL!

...

Astrotoy7
12-07-2003, 11:20 PM
Originally posted by Chuahtemoc
ja hasn't become boring for me yet. i mean, when it starts getting boring, i'll have to play a half hour, jack off, play a half hour,jack off, play a half hour, jack the **** off, you get the deal :p

Thats a novel way to prolong enjoyment of any particular gaming title, saving you $$$ in the process..... But perhaps a game is becoming tedious if you have to do that every half hour..... ???

:rolleyes:


MTFBWYA

shukrallah
12-08-2003, 02:15 AM
The Rebel Assualt series is still unbelievable, if not for its gameplay then for its presentation, I love that Bwing crash sequence for RA2.....


I dont know man, i didnt like rebel assault 2... i like force commander... graphics could have been better, but the cutscenes were really sweet.

Jaden X
12-08-2003, 03:16 AM
Originally posted by Astrotoy7

The Rebel Assualt series is still unbelievable, if not for its gameplay then for its presentation, I love that Bwing crash sequence for RA2.....

I loved it too! RA2 was the first game I've ever played, followed by Dark Forces

peloquin
12-08-2003, 05:08 AM
Well I haven't got KOTOR yet, will grab it next week :) but as for JA yeah I think I'm over it. I was playing it a fair bit until I got COD and that opened my eyes again to how a game should be. Take away the love of star wars we all add into the game and the game itself is pretty bad. It's way behind the times of other games coming out at the moment that don't have the star wars world to fall back on. Fans of star wars are being handed crap and will take it cause well...you get a lightsaber. :)

put it this way, how many non star wars fans do you think this game has pulled in?

Alegis
12-08-2003, 08:00 AM
Originally posted by peloquin


put it this way, how many non star wars fans do you think this game has pulled in?

Well I got a lot of non-star wars friends into the game..but then again they don't know a lot about other games..

Crow_Nest
12-08-2003, 12:16 PM
Nopes, doesnt get boring even after 2 years.

-ST-i_stinks
12-08-2003, 12:27 PM
yea quite boring well as my country doesn't have a jka server........starhub went close to 1 but they said they won't buy it so we need some one to buy the game for Starhub if we hope to have a singapore server AWwwww

Crow_Nest
12-08-2003, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by -ST-i_stinks
yea quite boring well as my country doesn't have a jka server........starhub went close to 1 but they said they won't buy it so we need some one to buy the game for Starhub if we hope to have a singapore server AWwwww

Now that you've mentioned, "starhub" and "singapore". That reminds me, i met you before in that jk2 server! :D

Use ASE, look for servers in Asia, yesterday i saw a singapore server but it was using a protocol 25. (JA 1.00) Try looking for sg servers after sometime.

-ST-i_stinks
12-08-2003, 12:38 PM
well pagn is not going to have a jka server but starhub said they might consider but unless some one buy the game and give them.......... so they can host......the other JKA server in singapore well.......r those created by singapore player for about 1-2 hour of play with their friends.......

and wait erm get back to topic

yea i also playing kotor too addicted even more addictived than those heroine bla bla drugs(wait let me declare i DO NOT TAKE ILLEGAL DRUGS)

Akshara
12-08-2003, 07:04 PM
I had observed notable absences and infrequent appearances/posts by certain regulars...
Yeah... the holidays, family issues, and a botched OS reinstall can have that effect. I've been offline for almost two weeks, but looking forward to getting back into it. Looks like a lot has happened around here...

Umm... what's KOTOR? ;)

Kurgan
12-08-2003, 07:37 PM
KOTOR = Knights of the Old Republic

An Xbox SW RPG that was recently ported to the PC with improved graphics and a few extras (though you can download those for the Xbox version as well I hear).

Akshara
12-08-2003, 07:46 PM
:roleyess:

I was kidding, Kurgan... lol. Thanks for the thought, though. *whispers to rest of forum* He's actually a big teddy bear with a marshmellow center at heart...

Astrotoy7
12-09-2003, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by Akshara
:roleyess:

I was kidding, Kurgan... lol. Thanks for the thought, though. *whispers to rest of forum* He's actually a big teddy bear with a marshmellow center at heart...

I always thought the same thing y'know.......

ALL OF YOU NEED TO PLAY KOTOR.....That is if you can read dialog and appreciate storyline in a game..... :p

go here for some cool screenies I've posted.....
http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=1400896#post1400896

MTFBWYA

Mex
12-09-2003, 12:37 PM
Yes JA has become very very boring for me.. No new moves, not enough new characters, stupid plot, graphics are the same as JO...

It's just not good enough anymore for todays standards.

Astrotoy7
12-09-2003, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by Michaelmexp
Yes JA has become very very boring for me.. No new moves, not enough new characters, stupid plot, graphics are the same as JO...

It's just not good enough anymore for todays standards.

Its fortunate for Raven/Lucasarts that the release dates were separated, if both games had come out any closer together it wouldve resulted in decreased sales, I definitely wouldve gotten KOTOR first and waited to play JA a bit later on.....

Don't get me wrong, JA is cool.....but KOTOR is *somethin else* !


MTFBWYA

Prime
12-09-2003, 03:19 PM
I still love JA and am not bored of it at all. I am hooked on KOTOR right now, but its style of play is so different from JA. I find after playing KOTOR for a bit I want to start up JA and enjoy some FPS lightsaber action. As good as KOTOR is, it has in no way replaced JA, for me anyway.

ExcelsioN
12-09-2003, 04:36 PM
You're all toturing me! I can't get KOTOR until christmas. Bioware make the best rpg's and now its Star Wars....

If I had to decide between the two now, I would get KOTOR. But JA is still fun, and easy to edit. Thats the big downside of KOTOR, no editing stuff.

Tashiar
12-10-2003, 08:59 AM
I have played EQ for 4 years now, and very hardcore at that. Did the SWG beta and live version till I just couldt take how bad LA and SoE buchered that game. The only thing that saved me from those games was JA , I love it. Now I have KOTOR and have beaten it several times in a few different ways. Both JA and KOTOR plain rock for me and my ADD butt has yet to tire of either.

God how I wish LA had not forced SWG into a corner by basing it between EP4 and 5. That truly screwed them IMO ( and not having space ships , player cities and mounts at release , oh and the combat balance blows goat balls to) If they had put it say 3000yrs before EP1 like they did KOTOR they would have an open scripted game that they could have done anything with. Also they could have then made Jedi a pickable class and given everyone what they wanted the chance to be some kind of jedi in an EQ type game.

Shrug my dad always told me , wish in one hand poop in the other and see wich one gets full first.

Point being JA and KOTOR wont get old for me because im a Star wars fan who understands they are not just eye candy but damn fine games.


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JA,KOTOR,SWG

Prime
12-10-2003, 05:44 PM
Originally posted by Tashiar
Point being JA and KOTOR wont get old for me because im a Star wars fan who understands they are not just eye candy but damn fine games.
All I can say is I agree :)

Syzerian
12-11-2003, 10:22 PM
i still play JA heeps
im a bit reluctant to get KOTOR tho since it looks a bit like dungeon siege game play and that get really boring

click they attack u get to watch click they move there... blah
and no mp!?!?!?!? thats sad
i need a demo!

SpecialForces
12-11-2003, 11:46 PM
Originally posted by Excelsion
You're all toturing me! I can't get KOTOR until christmas. Bioware make the best rpg's and now its Star Wars....

If I had to decide between the two now, I would get KOTOR. But JA is still fun, and easy to edit. Thats the big downside of KOTOR, no editing stuff.
omg, I have to get a 4.0 in school and wait untill xmas.

Syzerian
12-12-2003, 03:36 AM
ok well i just downloaded a movie of the saber combat
IT RULES!
i was wrong about that dungeon siege stuff but it is turn based but u dont even notice it

looks like a really cool game im gonna get it for christmas:D

Agen
12-13-2003, 12:28 AM
Is it just me or do other people find KOTOR to have the Sims effect, heaps of fun the first few hours to utter repetitiveness? :/
Also, I'm not bored with JA, I find it quite refreshing to play, jack off, play for an hour, jack off, play for half an hour, jackoff, play for an hour

_

Nah, it's good stuff, just too many people take games too seriously, you have to accept that a few people are always going to be better than you or there will be an unjust at some point :p
You don't buy games for misery. (well amybe you do but i don't)

Kurgan
12-13-2003, 01:02 AM
What is your obsessing with jacking off and gaming?

Then again, don't answer that... I don't want to know.

BJP3E
12-13-2003, 11:59 PM
I may not play the SP game but I am goofing around with the spawn code like no tomorrow. I love making little saber and gun fights to watch its awesome to me.

heck right now I am using conquest of byss for a massive fire fight between rebels and STs The rebels win every fricken time even with the STs out numbering them 2:1. I swear those Sts will win one day LOL

Astrotoy7
12-14-2003, 03:50 AM
Originally posted by Kurgan
What is your obsessing with jacking off and gaming?

Then again, don't answer that... I don't want to know.

exactly. we DONT want to know :eek:

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SPECIAL FORCES I feel so sorry for you man ! I mean not all youngsters have the privelege of playing games pc games on a good system(I never did until I was 19 or so) but to have to play second fiddle to the preening of a horse, as you do, must be very frustrating....... to help you feel better, I have composed this :

"Neeeeiggghh !! BANG ! BANG ! /Reload Shotgun noise/ BANG ! BANG ! Thump ! /Sound of match lighting/ .....Sizzle..... Sizzle....."

dude, if you were in Australia I'd loan you my JA discs for as long as you needed em, ever since I got KOTOR I really dont use them much.......

MTFBWYA

DarkLord60
12-14-2003, 05:43 AM
JA is just getting so old it just feels like something is missing it doesn't seem to have the same feel as the first day I opened the box.

Jedi Luke
12-14-2003, 05:55 AM
Originally posted by DarkLord60
JA is just getting so old it just feels like something is missing it doesn't seem to have the same feel as the first day I opened the box.

Yeah, same here. However, what is keeping me going with Jedi Academy and I have great fun is the Dark Forces MOD. The Dark Forces MOD experience is like playing a whole brand new game. That's what I DO enjoy about JKA.

Ham Yoyo
12-14-2003, 07:30 AM
I haven't got bored with JA. I haven't even started playing it yet. I bought it when it came out for the PC and have only played the first 3 levels. I've been trying to finish up other games that I have. But I know when I start on JA I'll have a great time.

Astrotoy7
12-14-2003, 01:34 PM
Originally posted by Ham Yoyo
......I haven't got bored with JA...... I haven't even started playing it yet..........

thats one way to stop JA getting boring, dont play it much.....!!!!

Im *still* playing EF2 SP, I think I'll do one level a month :) Its not that im a huge EF fan and want to prolong the fun, its just a time thing.....

MTFBWYA

Lightning
12-14-2003, 01:43 PM
i'm not bored of JA yet. but i haven't played KOTOR yet to bad there isn't a demo of the game will there be one?

Agen
12-14-2003, 02:07 PM
Mr Astrotoy is so in love with Kotor that he spends all his time on Jedi Academy's forums. :rolleyes:

Solo4114
12-14-2003, 02:18 PM
For me, I got tired of JK2, which means I've gotten tired of JA without ever really playing it that much.

The new sabre stances are interesting at first, but lack something. Sabre fighting in general lacks something in these games, though, so that's no big shocker.

The SP game I still haven't finished and just don't feel that interested in. It's got some cool moments, but it all just has that "It's all been done" feeling. I guess when you started on FPS games with Wolfenstein 3D and played 'em pretty much through 'til now, a lot of it really HAS been done before.

The MP gaming just never did much for me. Siege mode is about the only mod I'd want to play, but when I tried playing it it just felt the same as everything else: dull.

It may also be the twitchy Q3-influenced pace that gets to me too. It just gets really really old after a while. For FPSes I prefer playing BF1942 these days for MP. I don't really have an SP game for that.

As for my SW fix, I've been getting that from Galaxies, though there are some serious problems with that game too that I don't see going away any time soon.

Maybe I'll pick up KOTOR to see how good it is. I've heard great things about it, but I haven't seen much else out there that's been catching my attention gaming-wise.

Astrotoy7
12-15-2003, 02:59 AM
Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
Mr Astrotoy is so in love with Kotor that he spends all his time on Jedi Academy's forums. :rolleyes:

strange eh ? I just want to share the joy with fellow SW gamers, in particular those who enjoyed the SP storyline/EU elements of JA, and were "wishing for something more"....KOTOR can give you that fix......'

speaking of strange...arent you that guy that likes to jack off between games of JA..... :rolleyes:

MTFBWYA

Burrie
12-15-2003, 02:58 PM
In my opinion, Jedi Academy has not even come close to getting old... (strange enough, neither has Dark Forces, Jedi Knight or Jedi Outcastfor me) The thing is, this game is just good, old, plain FUN. For me, this is one of those games that I can simply boot, ignite my saber, and start hacking and slashing away without too much consequences of your actions.

Plus, the character customisation does add alot to the game, I think. Just having the ability to decide what your character will look like, what kind of hilt he'll have as a saber, which color, and what sort of fighting style he'll adopt is just a fun addition which breathes alot of life into the game. I know, I know, when it comes to the story and such, there is no change, but the gameplay does change. When playing as a Light Side Force User, I find myself staying more away from the Enemy and utilising the Force to defend myself, whilst as a Dark Side Force User, I find myself wading straight into the enemies, utilising the Force to crush and end their pathetic little lives(without anyone shouting "OMG L1TENING WH0RE"). The game just continues to be fun as I find new ways of disposing my enemies.

So, in conclusion, no, I don't think that Jedi Academy has grown old and tired. Granted, with the release of Knights of the Old Republic, I have been focusing most of my attention to that game, but if I'm in for a fun, entertaining shooter, I'll still have Jedi Academy installed on my hard disk.

InfErnO
12-16-2003, 09:51 PM
Originally posted by Kurgan
If you want to talk about mediocre or bad SW games, don't forget Jedi Power Battles and Obi-Wan. ; p

Or Rebel Assault, lol.

Rumor
12-16-2003, 10:12 PM
i could never get past the canyon w/ my t16 due to some screwed up error. =/ wtf that was like the first level.

ra2 ruled tho.

Solo4114
12-17-2003, 07:46 PM
The T16 canyon level was pretty tough alright. You had to have a fast CD-Rom (I had a 2x by the time I got the game) to do it, and a fast enough computer to maneuver, or else you'd end up clipping the walls without even knowning it. That was a tough first level, though.

Probably the hardest level for me, though, was the final Death Star trench run.

My favorite level was the Hoth one, but even so, no game has EVER managed to reproduce what I'd want to do in that battle.

Never played RA2. Force Commander sucked, though. Rebellion was ok, but was critically panned. I think it was just a bit too in-depth for most people (since most were playing Master of Orion 1 when that game was out), and in a weird way. The interface wasn't the best, either.

Really, I've found that most Star Wars games in the late 90s were pretty much crap, with the exception of the JK games and the X-wing/Tie Fighter series. Hell, even the straight-out-of-the-box X-Wing vs. Tie Fighter was pretty lame. It wasn't until Balance of Power came out that the game became any fun for me in MP. But that was because you could play through the entire campaign WITH your buddies, which I really enjoyed.

Anyway, for me, JA has been tired since I opened the box. There are some obvious cool aspects to it, but like a new mod or map, they get old for me too quickly which leaves me looking at the same old problems I have with the underlying game mechanics. Sabre combat is too hectic and spammish, lacks any kind of real finesse or control, and is too flashy for my tastes. It still just feels like button mashing to me, and the attacks and such (especially red stance) just frustrate me. They're either too weak in both appearance and effect (blue stance) or too slow (red stance). Or they're ineffective in practice (dual sabres) or unpredictable for me (double-bladed sabre). The katas are all pretty much pointless except as finishing moves, which would be perfectly cool if the normal attacks didn't feel so random to me.

The game just has a real "ho hum" feeling to it for me, which was about how I felt by the time I played MOTS when it came out. Pretty much all of the JK games have had fun aspects but always seemed like wasted opportunities to me. With the original games, I could accept that as limitations of the technology. I'm less forgiving nowadays. Maybe it's the animations, maybe it's that an FPS engine just isn't (or at least hasn't) been made that can do justice to melee combat, or maybe it's something else that I just can't put my finger on, but so much of the combat just seems clumsy and unsophisticated. It feels like rock paper scissors with the differences being really exagerrated in each of the stances.

Blue is ridiculously fast, but very weak and seems rather limited in the number of moves you can really do. Red is ridiculously SLOW though incredibly strong, and while it may have more moves than blue, you can only chain about two of them. The slow speed makes it useless to me, though. Yellow is a jack of all trades, but truly a master of none. And the actual implementation of the stances has never made me feel that the sabre, at least in these games, is an "elegant weapon."

What I'd really like to see is a Clone Wars game where you get to adopt one or more of the seven lightsabre forms (rather than stances) and pick the style which best suits your approach. Try a Google search for "seven forms of lightsaber combat", or check out http://swg.stratics.com/content/gameplay/professions/jedi/lightsaber_combat.shtml

Assuming you could make the moves seem cinematic and could balance the effects of the various forms, you could have a pretty cool game.

Prime
12-17-2003, 07:48 PM
Nothing will beat the old vector graphics X-Wing arcade game.

If I ever find a working cabinet I'm buying it for my basement...

Solo4114
12-17-2003, 09:07 PM
Yeah, that WAS a pretty cool one. I liked the sequel games too. You can always download the ROMs, you know. Get a copy of MAME and play 'em that way. What I really want to do is build my own cabinet with a computer inside that basically has an OS, MAME, and every cool arcade game EVER. :)

Anyway, back on topic, JA just doesn't do a ton for me anymore. I'll come back to it off and on, but I never stick with it for extended periods of time. Maybe I will later, but I kind of doubt it. It just lacks something for me.