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Das Mole
12-16-2003, 10:00 PM
and here we have...another pop culture thread!! hooray.

okay, if you've seen the music video for the song "milkshake" by kelis, you'll know why i'm posting the thread.

so here's the most obvious question i could post at this point, and that is- what do you think of the music video and the song?

Shivermetimbers
12-17-2003, 12:22 AM
I have an idea Das... why don't you make a thread called "pop culture" and then whenever you get one of these whims you can post it in there? just a suggestion.

I haven't heard it or seen the song. I stopped watching mtv a year ago and have never looked back or even wanted to.:)

I haven't seen or heard it, and here is what I think of it... Two big, fat thumbs down.

Alia
12-17-2003, 12:28 AM
I dare you to start a thread called "milkshake" in Aresen.

Or not.

Anyway, I haven't seen the video or even heard the song. But I DID hear this awesome violin piece on the radio. I sure wish I could play the violin.

Das Mole
12-17-2003, 01:29 AM
it seems like nobody is into anything dealing with pop culture other than me....and i don't know why.

anyway...i think the song is catchy...is there anybody that has seen the video or heard the song?

Ernil
12-17-2003, 02:07 AM
I haven't touched the radio or MTV in years. But I heard a wonderful little ditty someone was humming while I walked down the hall next to them.

Shivermetimbers
12-17-2003, 02:12 AM
Originally posted by Das Mole
it seems like nobody is into anything dealing with pop culture other than me....


Natty is. She likes Christina.

....and i don't know why.

Becasue its silly and superficial and annoying? )

Skinkie
12-17-2003, 04:29 AM
MTV died when they decided to stop supporting rock, and to instead support the likes of Britney Spears, along with a variety of shows which are not music videos and therefore are against the whole point of the channel.

Alia
12-17-2003, 04:31 AM
Originally posted by Ernil
But I heard a wonderful little ditty someone was humming while I walked down the hall next to them.
Halley's Fifth? Not a 'ditty.'

Alien426
12-17-2003, 06:24 AM
Somebody remember Headbanger's Ball?

I don't think that what Das is talking about is pop culture. Pop culture needs a little more... bang... than a video clip.

STTCT
12-17-2003, 07:50 AM
I hate that damn song I don't even know why its popular. Its a played out piece of ****


No offence, its just a really annoying song!

Ray Jones
12-17-2003, 02:11 PM
i ever thought you were more one of those hiphoprappers das.. :xp:

Das Mole
12-18-2003, 10:54 PM
well, i don't really like too much rap or hiphop, but if it's a good song, then i'll like it.

and i understand why you can think it's annoying, i thought it was stupid too when i first heard it on the radio and then saw the video, but i find most songs are like that. like first you hate it and then you end up liking it. like when i heard "baby boy" by beyonce for the first time on the radio (******* b96 playing it 3 months before it was supposed to come out), i thought it was really weird, but then after hearing it again, i liked it.

Natty
12-20-2003, 02:29 PM
The most irritatingly annoying song of the summer. But it's oh so addictive.

SamNMax
12-20-2003, 06:39 PM
My milkshake is better than yours... Want a sip?

Mr.Burger
12-21-2003, 05:24 AM
i think what we're trying to say in a few words is we're musically smarter than you, das. yeah i know what's going on in the pop culture world, but that stuff really does focus too much on image. Liz Phair? Look at her album cover. John Mayer? He's the cute, sweet, guitar-wizard teenager.

Radiohead, Phish, Grateful Dead, Weezer... it's about the music. Screw the videos. Make them if you really want to contribute something, not if you want to take off your clothes or act like a cutie-pie so that lonely middle aged men can masturbate to you or little teenage girls can stick their fingers down their throats for you.

Darth Groovy
12-21-2003, 08:32 AM
Some of the best videos I ever saw, were from Peter Gabriel.

SamNMax
12-22-2003, 06:30 PM
I argree with most people in this thread, pop sucks. I only like a little rap. Most rap sucks as well.

Das Mole
12-22-2003, 09:04 PM
i don't honestly like any kinds of music that you have to listen to the lyrics and say "wow this song really means something", i actually like shallow, phony music that has no kind of soul at all or any real meaning it's just something you listen to so you can soak up some time.

and i honestly don't give a rat's ass if everyone is "musically smarter" than me, i don't really think music has anything to do with being better than other kinds of music. it's all your opinion. if somebody preferred music that is slower and more meaningful than the music that i would like, it doesn't mean they're listening to better music, that's just what they like. you can't really be smarter when it comes to what kinds of music to listen to than somebody else.

anyway...my point is that i don't care whether or not anybody likes the stuff that i post about or what music i'm posting about, i'll listen to it anyway because i don't want to be like everybody else here and listen to music that people actually wrote and people that want to convey some kind of message to people.

so...that concludes my post.

Ernil
12-28-2003, 07:50 AM
Lyrics? Pah. Overrated.

Mr.Burger
12-28-2003, 08:51 PM
opinion: some music is better than other music.
fact: some music is better than other music.


HOW CAN THIS BE FACT AND OPINION?? WHY DO I LIE???

opinion: i like this song more than that one because of various reasons that could be:
- i listened to that other song when i got dumped
- i listened to that other song way too many times
- i like bouncier tunes/slower tunes/darker tunes/etc.
- i like the persona of this group/artist

fact: this song is more musically intelligent than that one because of various that could be:
- this song has unique and complex instrumental parts
- this song has unique and complex vocal parts
- this song is unique and complex
- this song was written and performed by the "artist"/"group"


so let's take a glance at what you've stated you enjoy:
- music that isn't deep (aka unique or complex)
- music that is not written by the artist/group claiming it
- sports, GIRLS DAMMIT NOT BOYS, and sports


i like the comment about the no soul time waster thing regarding music. you were being sarcastic right? if you were then you are also bad at sarcasm because you went onto explain in great detail what you were being sarcastic about. if you weren't then congratulations, no one will ever love you. for us it's a win-win situation.

Ernil
12-28-2003, 10:21 PM
Hey, that's weird. It's almost like I know you.

STTCT
12-29-2003, 08:28 AM
you know this song is about blow jobs right?

Ernil
12-29-2003, 06:16 PM
Everyone, and yes, I mean Everyone that read that looked up the lyrics.

Skinkie
12-30-2003, 05:52 AM
I didn't... yet.

Das Mole
12-30-2003, 03:31 PM
i like the comment about the no soul time waster thing regarding music. you were being sarcastic right? if you were then you are also bad at sarcasm because you went onto explain in great detail what you were being sarcastic about. if you weren't then congratulations, no one will ever love you. for us it's a win-win situation.

well...i wasn't being sarcastic. i really don't want to listen to something that is totally and completely meaningful and that "touches your soul". and even if i was listening to something that did have a meaning, first of all it wouldn't be a song that is completely sacred, i would listen to something that at least has good background music and i like the singer. nothing like the italian monks singing gospel music or anything like that.

and i don't really see how even if i was being sarcastic i would have ended up going into depth about what i was being sarcastic about. so i don't understand how you could even come to the conclusion that i was possibly being sarcastic at all, because if i had gone so much into depth then it wouldn't really even be sarcasm. i'm not that stupid.

on top of that, i agree that some songs have more complex and unique vocals than other songs, however it really only makes a difference when you're talking about actual music and nursery rhymes. when some songs have more unique and complex vocals, maybe somebody doesn't want to listen to a song that is very complex. perhaps they like simpler songs.

and what's the rubric for saying that a song is more complex than another song? couldn't that really be an opinion too? you can't really take any kind of measurement system to say that one song is more complex and unique than another song.

anyway...why do you want to bother to come in here and try and argue with me that you listen to more "musically intelligent songs" than i do? if you really think that the music i like and these threads that i make are inferior to yours, then why bother to even post anything in this thread? and i know that you never said that i was inferior to you, but you sure are acting like it with your intelligent music.

Ernil
12-30-2003, 05:59 PM
Oh Dassie.

on top of that, i agree that some songs have more complex and unique vocals than other songs, however it really only makes a difference when you're talking about actual music and nursery rhymes.

It only makes a difference when you're talking about actual music? So it makes a difference. A big one, at that.

when some songs have more unique and complex vocals, maybe somebody doesn't want to listen to a song that is very complex. perhaps they like simpler songs.

There, you're taking from the fact rubric and mixing it with opinion rubric. So what if you don't want to listen to it, it's still a superior song. This spoken of person doesn't like superiority, but that's his opinion.

and what's the rubric for saying that a song is more complex than another song?

Because no one has made it doesn't mean that it couldn't exist, and parts of it already don't exist.

couldn't that really be an opinion too?

no

you can't really take any kind of measurement system to say that one song is more complex and unique than another song.

Of course you can! Take, for example, the Pop Punk Rock Rage of today. There is a basic norm for these songs that the writers strive for. It is no longer unique, or complex. Often times, it is basic guitar cords, a repetative melody, and harmony a simple few notes up that follows the same pattern as the melody. This is, factwise, inferior and too overdone. I know this, factwise, because I've written harmony to songs before. I can, with no effort at all, write the harmony I spoke of a few lines ago. I do it regularly - in the car, napping, or watching a movie. I can now do it without even thinking. I have also been given the task of writing harmony that is, factually, more complex. It takes actual thought, hours of time, but comes up with a more unique, skilled, complex sound.

There are some tunes floating around out there that are so basic, I've seen skilled guitar players learn them in mere seconds. I spend so much time around guitarists that I practically study them. Here is what I see:

There are some tunes, greatly over-used and over-known, that any guitar player in the world can play. Nirvana - Smells like Teen Spirit. I have observed some people learn this song, and others like it, in mere seconds. I have also observed some guitarists write and invent tunes equal to this one without the use of his brain - it can just flow out of the fingers.

On the other hand, there are some songs that are so thoughtful, inspiring, thought provoking, and unique, that they can send a shiver down your spine. These are tunes that 90% of the musicians in the world could not play, or dare not try. To write something this beautiful would gain the write self-acualization. It has never been done before, and nothing quite like it will be done again. Take, for an awesome example, the song "Guyute" by the band "Phish." Listen from 3:00-4:39. That is one and a half minutes of guitar, bass, piano, and drums in brilliant, unique harmony. It would be hard to play, hard to write, and is similar to nothing else they or anyone else has written. Factually, it is superior to much other stuff.

When picking apart this post, remember the difference between the fact rubric and the opinion rubric.

Das Mole
12-30-2003, 06:58 PM
okay. you know what? i'm getting a little f*cking tired of talking about good and bad music.

my music is worse than yours because your music that you listen to has much more movement and more complexity and all this other s*** that really doesn't matter. i don't care whether the music you like is more complex. if its more complex, fine. then why the hell are you posting in this thread? just let it go.

i admit that my music is not as good as yours because you have better musical taste than i do. i think that it's very unfair that you have to post that your music is better than mine, i'd just like to be able to post a thread where i can state my opinion about something without someone saying that my opinion is awful, that i am a complete moron when it comes to whatever, or that what they think or what they like is better than what i think or what i like. i'm sick of this s***. if you don't like the song, fine. say you don't like it. but please don't say that you have better musical taste than i do, that i don't know the first thing about music, that i haven't listened to enough music to know what i do like, or that some songs are better than others because of complexity or anything like that. i hate how all the time i can't just say something without someone acting like they're a step above me and then squashing my down to the ground and demeaning me and what i like and saying all this other stuff that basically takes away from the thread and just pisses me off.




alright. i'm done. can someone close this thread and the beyonce thread?

Ernil
12-30-2003, 07:23 PM
Hey Das! YOU SUCK!!!!!! I HOPE YOU DIE BECAUSE YOUR MUSIC SUCKS!!!!

Here's why it sucks -
1) You suck
2)It's all bad! SO ARE YOU!
Lets compare music and decide who's is better
Christina vs. Weezer

I WIN I WIN I WIN YOU SUCK HWAHAHAHAHA SUCKER YOU SUCK

I'm the best



...wait a sec. That didn't happen!

Dassie, what I am doing is proving a theory that is not well known or accepted in this world. It's a little theory Dana has been pondering, and it got me thinking. I figured now and here would be the best place to put it. I never said that you should change your opinion because of this, or that what you think is wrong. I simply stated facts.


You assume I insinuate more than I do.

Das Mole
12-30-2003, 07:55 PM
okay, i'm sorry. maybe i just wanted to end up picking a fight with someone so i thought that you were causing some sort of problem. i don't know. plus, i just got a little heated up there when i posted that....i didn't want to post that. i'm genuinely sorry and i apologize. :)

Ernil
12-31-2003, 04:52 PM
C'mon people. Someone refute my theory.

Ernil
01-01-2004, 06:02 PM
Pah. Fine. Be that way.

Ray Jones
01-01-2004, 06:06 PM
maybe it's because it's a good theory.

Skinkie
01-03-2004, 06:03 AM
Ahem, I refute it in its entirety. I guess.

Skinkie
01-03-2004, 06:04 AM
Ahem, I refute it in its entirety. I guess.

Ray Jones
01-17-2004, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by Das Mole
and here we have...another pop culture thread!! hooray.

okay, if you've seen the music video for the song "milkshake" by kelis, you'll know why i'm posting the thread.

so here's the most obvious question i could post at this point, and that is- what do you think of the music video and the song?

..

just saw and heard it the first time..

errm.

crazy stuff.



hey. i like it. really. that bass n stuff is cool.


but it's NOT really "pop culture" .. never.
at least not that style of music.

what a nice song. ;)

Rapp Scallion
01-23-2004, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by STTCT
you know this song is about blow jobs right?

Aha! I felt that there was some sexual hidden message it that song, but I couldn't quite find out what it was... "Milkshake". All I could figure out of it was that it was about shaking that stuff that women has on the chest. :p

Ernil
01-24-2004, 04:53 AM
the sternum?

Rapp Scallion
01-27-2004, 01:29 PM
Originally posted by Ernil
the sternum?

Yes, exactly :p