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grokking
12-17-2003, 04:30 PM
Okay, so I log into xbox live to play some FFA last night. Everything seems to be going fine until I notice people start killing themselves and no one will fight. Then I get kicked out. I log back into the game because I thought maybe it was a glitch and the same thing happens. Then I go to another server and get kicked out of that one.

I think to myself, did I do something wrong? I just started playing the game a week ago, so maybe I'm not up on Jedi Academy FFA ettiquette, but doesn't FFA mean "Free For All?" Isn't that a direct implication for people to fight? I don't think I was being a jerk. I was getting killed quite a bit and I wasn't taking many cheap shots. Or at least I didn't mean to if I did.

Then I think, well maybe they are all friends and just want to play with each other. But then, why not make a private game?

So what's the deal? Are these people just lame? Do they get off on ganging up on the noob? Am I not good enough to be in their presence? Come on people. It's a game. Get over yourselves and let's play.

You wanna hang out and chat with your buddies, do AIM.

Side
12-17-2003, 04:38 PM
hahahaha
honorz into Xbox live lmao

i never imagined it could reach that place....


ok lemme explain

Saber down=Dont attack people
Dont kill people while their chattin
Bow before duel

and guess what,
99% of server are like that,you got 2 choice
keep looking for a good server where evry1 is playing,or

buy a new game

Amidala from Chop Shop
12-17-2003, 04:51 PM
grokking, you did nothing wrong. You are playing the game the way the designers and the rules say it should be played. Don't let those people brainwash you. You are normal, they are the deviants (i.e. they are deviating away from the default [normal] rules of the game).

Unfortunately, there are a lot of deviants out there. Keep looking for a place to play, and don't get discouraged.

Side
12-17-2003, 05:03 PM
im gonna buy a xbox +xbox live someday and start killing people around

that sure worth it

grokking
12-17-2003, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by Side
hahahaha
honorz into Xbox live lmao

i never imagined it could reach that place....


ok lemme explain

Saber down=Dont attack people
Dont kill people while their chattin
Bow before duel

and guess what,
99% of server are like that,you got 2 choice
keep looking for a good server where evry1 is playing,or

buy a new game

That's insane. Newsflash: We aren't really at a Jedi Academy folks. We're all sitting around our living rooms playing a GAME. I did run into a few servers where people aren't hung up on this honor thing. And for the record, I don't attack people who are unarmed or are just standing around. There's no fun in that. But, to have these extreme honor rules (kicking people off, or alienating them for disobeying some unwritten code of conduct) is just silly and ultimately un-fun. It means you're taking a video game waaaaay too seriously. Again, a VIDEO GAME.

grokking
12-17-2003, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by Amidala from Chop Shop
grokking, you did nothing wrong. You are playing the game the way the designers and the rules say it should be played. Don't let those people brainwash you. You are normal, they are the deviants (i.e. they are deviating away from the default [normal] rules of the game).

Unfortunately, there are a lot of deviants out there. Keep looking for a place to play, and don't get discouraged.

Thanks, glad I'm not the only one. I do think a moderate amount of sportsman-like conduct is warranted in any game, but these people are extremists. It's really laughable when you think about it.

Agen
12-17-2003, 06:16 PM
I'm pretty glad i never took to ffa-ing :p
I honestly never thought retardism would reach X-box live :-/

grokking
12-17-2003, 07:13 PM
Yikes, after reading more about this stuff I'm sorry I even posted this. You guys are probably sick of hearing about it. I'm really new to all this stuff, and I had no idea there were all those admin mods. So, if I want to host my own game do I need to use someone elses server? I just have a router hooked up to my mac and xbox live going through one of the ports. Can I host a game that way and have my own rules?

Thanks for any info and insight and please excuse my ignorance.

Prime
12-17-2003, 07:16 PM
Originally posted by grokking
Okay, so I log into xbox live to play some FFA last night. Everything seems to be going fine until I notice people start killing themselves and no one will fight. Then I get kicked out. I log back into the game because I thought maybe it was a glitch and the same thing happens. Then I go to another server and get kicked out of that one.

I think to myself, did I do something wrong? I just started playing the game a week ago, so maybe I'm not up on Jedi Academy FFA ettiquette, but doesn't FFA mean "Free For All?" Isn't that a direct implication for people to fight? I don't think I was being a jerk. I was getting killed quite a bit and I wasn't taking many cheap shots. Or at least I didn't mean to if I did.

Then I think, well maybe they are all friends and just want to play with each other. But then, why not make a private game?

So what's the deal? Are these people just lame? Do they get off on ganging up on the noob? Am I not good enough to be in their presence? Come on people. It's a game. Get over yourselves and let's play.

You wanna hang out and chat with your buddies, do AIM. Sometimes I have to laugh to keep from crying...

Side
12-17-2003, 07:53 PM
i have no idea how to set a xbox server....create game?

and yea that probly the most entertaining discusion around here =P

i cant believe that honorz code is even on xbox

JediCrow
12-17-2003, 08:01 PM
I played this a bit on Live (when I had an Xbox, I since got rid of it) and I would be on a duel server, then all of a sudden I got kicked. And I know I wasn't breaking any "rules", because A. it was a duel server and B. I've been playing JO/JA for ages now. But I tried a few more times to get on the server and got kicked each time. So it was either a Live issue or people being monkeys. Either way, the only thing to do is to go to another server. Eventually you'll find one that isn't having either technical or mental problems.

Celladur
12-17-2003, 08:02 PM
For god's sake, these "honor Nerds" are everywhere.

It's a favourite sport of mine to get together with a few friends, find a server that is really strict about honor And "lame" it to death for a few hours.

Rad Blackrose
12-17-2003, 08:04 PM
You have got to be kidding me. This **** is on the xbox?

What's next? Absuive admin mods on an XBox server?

Neverhoodian
12-17-2003, 08:34 PM
Holy... :eek:

They have "honorz" on XBox live?! :disaprove

"So it begins."

Syzerian
12-17-2003, 08:44 PM
thats y dont dont play FFA anymore
heeps of people abuse it like when using red stance they see ur attack coming and turn off their saber and go "WTF saber down = peace noob" so i just ignore them again and then there r those times where u do it accidently and then everyone calls u a lamer and u get kicked:rolleyes:

if someone has their saber down i dont attack same for if they r typing (exception for siege) but people dont really play on FFA anymore they just chat

i suggest u play CTF SIEGE or DUEL people wont kick u unless u blow up ur own teams mines etc

grokking
12-17-2003, 08:52 PM
Originally posted by Rad Blackrose
You have got to be kidding me. This **** is on the xbox?

What's next? Absuive admin mods on an XBox server?

So do most people play on PC? Are all the admin abuse stories I hear referring to that platform? Can people have their own servers with rules and mods through xbox live?

g//plaZma
12-17-2003, 08:53 PM
Originally posted by grokking
So do most people play on PC? Are all the admin abuse stories I hear referring to that platform? Can people have their own servers with rules and mods through xbox live?

Yeah, most play on PC, and as far as I know you can't have mods on Live.

Rumor
12-17-2003, 09:00 PM
WTF YOU KILLD ME WEN I WAR TALKIN U LAMER!!!//// I CANT TALK WHEN U KIL ME!!111ONEFIVESEVEN

lol...they can't even type.

grokking
12-17-2003, 09:04 PM
Originally posted by g//plaZma
Yeah, most play on PC, and as far as I know you can't have mods on Live.

So when I connect to a game or host one, I'm just using some generic xbox live server somewhere?

Well at least no one can amlame me. Yet. That doesn't sound too nice.

Master William
12-17-2003, 09:22 PM
And I thought that sharing servers with PC players from an Xbox was bad. Might as well use that, since the honor stuff are already spread throughout the whole galaxy.

''It felt as a million of newbies were suddenly kicked and banned from honor servers, and then suddenly went quiet...''
:deathstar

Aye the deach schtar isch at its goodness aye sch sch

Rumor
12-17-2003, 09:30 PM
Originally posted by Master William

''It felt as a million of newbies were suddenly kicked and banned from honor servers, and then suddenly went quiet...''
:deathstar:


but that would be a good thing...

grokking
12-18-2003, 02:02 PM
Well to clarify, I figured out what the problem was. I didn't have my headset on when I entered the game, so I didn't hear the rules when the host told them. This host isn't really an extreme honor freak, the basic rule is that if two people are already dueling, just don't pile on. Wait until they are done.

Yeah, it's not a true FFA, but I can see the merits in this as well. Although I do think they went overboard by all killing themselves over and over again in protest.

Prime
12-18-2003, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by grokking
Yeah, it's not a true FFA, but I can see the merits in this as well. Like what?

grokking
12-18-2003, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by Prime
Like what?

If you're fighting with someone and having a good duel it can be annoying when someone else who's fresh steps in and kills either you or the other person. It all depends on how you want to play the game. You can either show skill on the saber and have a good fight one on one, or just care about getting as many kills as possible regardless of how you do it. Not saying one is more right or wrong than the other. Both ways can be fun.

Side
12-18-2003, 05:01 PM
aint there duel server on jka xbox?

FK | unnamed
12-18-2003, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by Celladur
For god's sake, these "honor Nerds" are everywhere.

It's a favourite sport of mine to get together with a few friends, find a server that is really strict about honor And "lame" it to death for a few hours.

All the fun I have doing just that is about 99.9% of the reason why I still have this game installed.

:cool:

MrDomin0
12-18-2003, 06:08 PM
Originally posted by grokking
Yeah, it's not a true FFA, but I can see the merits in this as well. Although I do think they went overboard by all killing themselves over and over again in protest.

I've defended people setting their own rules in the past, but that is probably the stupidest thing I have ever heard; top five at least. I wish there was some way to record your game on Live! because that would have been funny as hell to watch.

What it comes down to is that all online communities are essentially the same as far as population. Unless technical reasons limit stupidity, it will always be out there. I really don't know Microsoft's Live! that well but I would guess there are still some good servers on it somewhere. Just find the good ones and play there.

Squee-sithguy
12-18-2003, 06:30 PM
LOL this is great! This shows that its not the People the make the game Honorish, but the game that makes the game honorish! LOL!


EDIT: for god sake whoever the next person is, dont mispell honor!

grokking
12-18-2003, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by Side
aint there duel server on jka xbox?

Yeah, but in the FFA setting you can have more challengers quicker, and also do true FFA if everyone wants. I was in a cool game last night. It started out as a real FFA but then people just started naturally letting people finish their fights and we all just decided to do it that way. A couple times there was an odd man out and we did every man for himself again. It was a good time. Kind of mixed the two styles of fighting.

grokking
12-18-2003, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by MrDomin0
I've defended people setting their own rules in the past, but that is probably the stupidest thing I have ever heard; top five at least. I wish there was some way to record your game on Live! because that would have been funny as hell to watch.


It was funny looking back on it. This one guy kept laying down thermal detonators in a circle and then walking into them. I guess it was the only way to let me know they didn't want me in the game since I didn't have my voice enabled. The host kicked me twice but I kept coming back because I didn't understand what was going on.

I think you can record it. Just gotta run a camcorder through the av ports. I've seen my buddy do it.

Kurgan
12-18-2003, 11:05 PM
If you're fighting with someone and having a good duel it can be annoying when someone else who's fresh steps in and kills either you or the other person. It all depends on how you want to play the game. You can either show skill on the saber and have a good fight one on one, or just care about getting as many kills as possible regardless of how you do it. Not saying one is more right or wrong than the other. Both ways can be fun.

Wait a minute, so you're saying the Xbox version of JA doesn't have Lightsaber Challenges?

Because those isolate a duel so nobody can interfere and the winner gets full health!

Sounds like these guys either don't understand the game or else the Xbox version cut some features. ; p


Duel also isolates the opponents so nobody can interfere and you get full health. In fact, the matches always START at full health too and people can't even get in the way visually. So Duel is actually better if you're going to just have one on one fights.

In the pc version, people can at least argue "well use mods that let you have multiple saber challenges at once in FFA 'cause then you can all duel at the same time and not wait" but since the Xbox version doesn't have mods, it makes more sense to use Duel Mode and quit whining!

The Lightsaber Challenge is the poor man's Duel.


I bet you most of the JA Xbox players are n00bs still... if they don't even know how to use a feature that was in JK2 for the pc!


PS: Let me get this straight, the only way to communicate in JA Xbox is to talk into a headset? Ah, interesting...

grokking
12-22-2003, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by Kurgan
Wait a minute, so you're saying the Xbox version of JA doesn't have Lightsaber Challenges?

Because those isolate a duel so nobody can interfere and the winner gets full health!

PS: Let me get this straight, the only way to communicate in JA Xbox is to talk into a headset? Ah, interesting...

No, it seems we don't have that saber challenge feature on xbox. Damn, that would be nice. Yeah, and the only way to communicate is via headset.

Prime
12-22-2003, 03:29 PM
Suckers :)

Kurgan
12-22-2003, 10:56 PM
So in other words:


JA PC > JA Xbox

Butt_Whisper
12-23-2003, 12:09 AM
Where's the guy that says the honor peeps are the majority of players online;
because from all the stuff I have read on the subject, the ratio is more like 70-30 or 80-20 in favor of competative play. I say if they cry honor............................................. ..............................
.................................................. ........................................
...................................
KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL them, then kill
them some more, then when they are chatting or have their
saber down.............................................. ...............................
..................
KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL, then as they are kicking you, KILL
them one last time. Sometimes my goal is to see how fast I
can get kicked from a server for violating their "unwritten"
honor rules.

Kurgan
12-23-2003, 12:08 PM
See what I wish is that if you "lamed" somebody and made them mad, that THEY would leave the game and move on to an "honor" server... instead of trying to get YOU kicked.

Each day I become more and more convinced that "honor" is really just an excuse for sore losers and poor sportsmanship.

Side
12-23-2003, 12:11 PM
It always been like that,

playing on ms3 server with newbie calling us hacker=funnah

grokking
12-23-2003, 02:43 PM
Originally posted by Kurgan
So in other words:


JA PC > JA Xbox

Looks that way, but I sure as hell ain't buying a PC just so I can have saber challenge on JA.

I'll survive without such luxuries. ;)

Prime
12-23-2003, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by grokking
Looks that way, but I sure as hell ain't buying a PC just so I can have saber challenge on JA. Probably for the best. You'll probably be called a gay lamer if you try and saber challenge someone online...

Kurgan
12-23-2003, 04:15 PM
Looks that way, but I sure as hell ain't buying a PC just so I can have saber challenge on JA.

I'll survive without such luxuries.

Ah, but you'll be sad with all the great mods you'll be missing out on! (Asteroids, Matrix Unplugged, Melee Mod, AOTC TC, OJP, JA Bonus Map pack, DDS IBots/Rerouted, etc).

Face it, you're already dealing with whiners, and while the risks (more whiners) the rewards (mods, larger community, more features and tweaks) are that much greater.

Plus the graphics and controls are better on the PC.

Plus the chance of updates/patches and trying your hand at editing!

So if you buy a PC your JA experience will be about 10x better overall.

But, your $$$, your choice...

Astrotoy7
12-24-2003, 08:41 AM
Hysterically & maniacally ROFLMAO

...you'd think this crap would at least be diluted/minimised on console gaming online........

Arise !! A new generation of whiners and the ppl who irritate them !!

Im looking forward to playing FIFA soccer online on my PS2, I hope I wont get anyone expecting me to bow before I score a goal........ :p

*Thanks The Maker he has washed his hands of JA*

*gets back to KOTOR with much glee*


MTFBWYA

Cosmos Jack
12-24-2003, 10:21 AM
Well one thing is sure the Lame crap might make it to the X-Box, but the dam Admin mods can't. :D