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Mex
02-11-2004, 01:34 PM
Dudes, I'm going to need your help..

Where to start.. Right.. Theres this kid at school who is the same age as me. He thinks that he is all bad and crap, but he's only tough with his friends around.

After-school today him and his friends came to bug me, he kept on throwing me in bushes. Obviously I couldn't kick the crap out of him then because his 18 year old mate was there. So tomorrow if he starts on me again I'm going to have to fight..

Don't bother telling me that crap like "Go to tell your teacher" Or anything like that. At my school it does not work.

So has anyone got any fight tips? I'm going to eat lots of fruit and get plenty of sleep, and jog in the morning as well. >.>

- Would appreciate help! -

Kain
02-11-2004, 01:40 PM
don't be afraid to fight dirty. weapons, low blows, dirt in the eyes, all fair. this isn't the romantic era of dueling, its now. nothing lethal though, that isn't cool. and hit him with a banjo. I seen a guy get hit with a banjo and he went DOWN.

Sam
02-11-2004, 01:43 PM
Do you have anybody to back you up?

Mex
02-11-2004, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by Kain
don't be afraid to fight dirty. weapons, low blows, dirt in the eyes, all fair. this isn't the romantic era of dueling, its now. nothing lethal though, that isn't cool. and hit him with a banjo. I seen a guy get hit with a banjo and he went DOWN.

Buahahhh! Hit with a banjo? Nice!

Check-list :
Dirt ~ Check.

I'm gonna grab some dirt, when he starts I'll get it in his eyes and punch him one.

Edit : Anyone to back me up? Crap.. Yes, there is two people. Ones pretty strong. I'll get him to help.

ET Warrior
02-11-2004, 01:46 PM
Do what you can to throw the first punch, and try to hit him in the nose. A punch to the nose will cause nose to bleed, eyes to tear, and he'll probably be done. If he still looks like he wants to fight, kick him in the knee...HARD.

Sam
02-11-2004, 01:47 PM
Where/when is this fighting gonna happen?



If its after school you better know when to stop fighting.



You do not want stuff to spiral out of control.

Boba Rhett
02-11-2004, 01:55 PM
Firstly, Are you SURE there's nothing else you can do? There's gotta be something you can do. Call the police if you have to. How about running away? Getting into an even numbered fight is bad enough but if this kid has other people with him, you're just nobly sacrificing yourself.

If you absolutely have to fight, try not to be the one to throw the first punch because then you're at least legally in the clear to defend yourself. Make sure that your hits count. You don't get do-over or practice shot. If you have to take a punch in the stomach, tighten up and try to get it inbetween the side and the very front.

Don't hit their arms. That just pisses people off moreso. Go for the nose, the center of the sternum or genitals.

What I would try and do is get the person on the ground. Wrap one of your legs around to the back of one of theirs, step farward and push into them. Once down, make sure they stay there.

If you can get ahold of the persons thumb, grab ahold, twist it around as hard as you can without breaking it and don't let go.

Mex
02-11-2004, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by Boba Rhett
Firstly, Are you SURE there's nothing else you can do? There's gotta be something you can do. Call the police if you have to. How about running away? Getting into an even numbered fight is bad enough but if this kid has other people with him, you're just nobly sacrificing yourself.

If you absolutely have to fight, try not to be the one to throw the first punch because then you're at least legally in the clear to defend yourself. Make sure that your hits count. You don't get do-over or practice shot. If you have to take a punch in the stomach, tighten up and try to get it inbetween the side and the very front.

Don't hit their arms. That just pisses people off moreso. Go for the nose, the center of the sternum or genitals.

What I would try and do is get the person on the ground. Wrap one of your legs around to the back of one of theirs, step farward and push into them. Once down, make sure they stay there.

If you can get ahold of the persons thumb, grab ahold, twist it around as hard as you can without breaking it and don't let go.

Sam : It'll most probably happy in school time. He wants a crowd there to try and built his reputaion up.

Rhett : I'm sure theres nothing else I can do. If I call the police I get into deep crap my self. I can't really run away either because I am quite a slow runner myself.

I will go for the nose, I always do that. Since my friend goes boxing I've learned some tips off of him..

Thanks all. ^__^;

ET Warrior
02-11-2004, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by Boba Rhett
If you absolutely have to fight, try not to be the one to throw the first punch because then you're at least legally in the clear to defend yourself.

Problem with this is if he gives the other guy the first punch, he's decreasing chances of success in the fight.

Sivy
02-11-2004, 02:18 PM
Fighting is of course the last resort, if there’s no other way then here’s a few tips…

tip 1. try and stay on your feet. balance is important. if you go down when you're up against a group they'll kick you around like a football. if you do go down protect your head with your arms

tip 2. keep your guard up, make it difficult for them to land a clean blow

tip 3 keep moving... a moving target to harder to hit then a stationary one - bob, weave, duck and dive

tip 4. keep throwing fast jabs, aim for the nose, the throat and the eyes. DO NOT swing, these are easily blocked or dodged and can be quickly counted.

tip 5. if you are outnumbered then don't be afraid of fighting dirty.. a good kick to the nads will floor anyone.

IG-64
02-11-2004, 02:19 PM
Are you gonna tape it and post it? :p

J/K

I learned in karate that you can easily take an opponent by surprise by screaming, like when he least expects it go "HIAH!!!" and then sock him

Also, there are some mind games to getting a powerful punch, if possible, try to aim behind the target because if your aiming for the surface of what your gonna hit, you will subconciously slow down before you hit it, so aim a little bit behind him when you hit him, that way your brain tells your fist that it has to "go trough" his skull to hit behind his head, it's hard to do but it works, belive me.

another thing is practice. if you have time today to practice fighting, and practice those tips I gave you, do it.

hope that helps

EDIT: Oh ya, one thing I learned fighting with my brother (for fun) is this: DO NOT give into the dark side, if you depend on rage you will only be sloppy and get worn down easily. Stay calm, think about what your doing, and good luck, you'll need it.

EDIT AGAIN: Don't listen to anything he says, he'll probably try to mess with your head, keep your mind clear and focused, ecspesially if you get worn out. If you start to cry, back off and evade untill you feel better about your self, if you get that worn out, don't go wildy hitting at him, wait untill you regain strength and return focus.

Neverhoodian
02-11-2004, 02:33 PM
Focus on the next hit. If you get hit, try not to focus on it, just focus on getting the next hit in.

Utilize pressure points. If you manage to get the chance to get at a pressure point, grab it and squeeze HARD. The most accessable point is in the wrist somewhere. (unfortunately, I don't know where it is precisely. Maybe you could ask someone who knows) I've heard that you can sometimes stop a fight then and there once you start squeezing on a pressure point.

Most of the other fighting tips have been said already by the others. Remember to focus on surviving instead of winning. Don't get me wrong, it's just that one tends to be in a more effective fighting mind-set if one focuses on surviving.

RoxStar
02-11-2004, 02:54 PM
Kick 'em where it hurts!:D

I'm totally against fighting. If your teachers won't do anything for you contact the police.

IG-64
02-11-2004, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by Neverhoodian
Focus on the next hit. If you get hit, try not to focus on it, just focus on getting the next hit in.

Utilize pressure points. If you manage to get the chance to get at a pressure point, grab it and squeeze HARD. The most accessable point is in the wrist somewhere. (unfortunately, I don't know where it is precisely. Maybe you could ask someone who knows) I've heard that you can sometimes stop a fight then and there once you start squeezing on a pressure point.

Most of the other fighting tips have been said already by the others. Remember to focus on surviving instead of winning. Don't get me wrong, it's just that one tends to be in a more effective fighting mind-set if one focuses on surviving.

I ran a google search on pressure points, this might help: clicky (http://www.kyusho.com/points.htm)

Agen
02-11-2004, 03:49 PM
Meh, pressure points need some really precise aiming and loads of practice :p

Most people, when they hit don't realise that they sort of just stare at the person's response. Once you hit, don't stop until he's down (and not getting up too fast), gushing or begging, even if you take a hit, don't dwell on it. :p

Also, don't underestimate the effect of body hits, if they're not superman/contantly tensed (heh) then you can easily wind someone and a hit on the low ribs can be sore as ****. Also, don't be too slow or they can get you into submission type moves (it happens a lot)

Like I said, ocne you hit keep on going and going. :p
GL :)

leXX
02-11-2004, 03:58 PM
Some great suggestions here, especially the kick to the bollocks. If you don't think your punches are too hard, aim for the solar plexus (just above the stomach where the rib cage starts) to knock the wind out of them.

One thing that is very important is to not show fear. Eye contact is all important. Even if you are afraid, don't show it. Also, act a fool, like you've completely lost the plot. ;)

XERXES
02-11-2004, 04:10 PM
Invest in a quality butterfly knife and learn how to flip it out at a moments notice. If the teachers don't care about the kids fighting you, then they shouldnt care about this either.

BawBag™
02-11-2004, 04:54 PM
Show no pain. Always keep the attacks going constantly. Don't let him get up. Make sure you've got enough killer instinct to kick him in the face.
I know thats very animalistic but thats the breaks. Or poke him the eye. (seriously)

El Sitherino
02-11-2004, 05:04 PM
kick them in the sided of the stomach then jam a pencil in his thigh. This should cripple him a bit for you to get in some good shots. :)
>_>
<_<
What?

ExcelsioN
02-11-2004, 05:16 PM
There's this freaky pyromaniac chinese dude at my school who once, err, tried to beat me up. You have to take the pain. Don't show him that your hurt, even if it abseloutley kills. They'll get satisfaction out of that. Also, if theres several of them then its unlikely that you'd stand any chance. But try to kick them in places where its gonna hurt. And don't make it look like you started the fight. If you get caught then you'll be the one in deep sh**.

TheHobGoblin
02-11-2004, 05:32 PM
I could kill him for ya...

Anyhow, What works for me sometimes is to tackle them down. Once on the ground elbow in stomach kick in face, combinations of it...

DarkLord60
02-11-2004, 09:04 PM
Originally posted by TheHobGoblin
I could kill him for ya...

Anyhow, What works for me sometimes is to tackle them down. Once on the ground elbow in stomach kick in face, combinations of it...

I hope that was a joke


Anyway I suggest you dont use weapons that could hurt him or you could get into trouble and we wouldnt want that also defending yourself is ok but becareful how you you do it.

ET Warrior
02-11-2004, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by DarkLord60
Anyway I suggest you dont use weapons that could hurt him or you could get into trouble


I'm going to offer the opposite advice. Carry a baseball bat with you all day. He's probably not gonna be too keen on picking a fight with a guy with a baseball bat. And if he is....well then you make him regret it.

DarkLord60
02-11-2004, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by ET Warrior
I'm going to offer the opposite advice. Carry a baseball bat with you all day. He's probably not gonna be too keen on picking a fight with a guy with a baseball bat. And if he is....well then you make him regret it.

True never thought about that but then he'll be making his enemy even more upset and he will pick on him more.

Weapon X
02-11-2004, 09:18 PM
woohoo, finally something i can help someone with. when you see the kid START THE FIGHT, kicked out of school? oh well at least you'll be the one who's kickin ass. first thing when you see this kid is get a 3 step run at it and throw everything you have into his nose with your strongest hand and grab his shirt at the chest area w/the other and keep swinging, if he goes down start kicking him in the head and STOMP on him. who cares if his friends are there, the 18 yr old will go to jail if he touches you. if you can get 2 rolls of nickels and use them as fist packs cuz they work the best. head-butt him too if you get the chance. take my advice and you'll be the victor, unless you have no fighting skills and he's god or something, but i don't think that's the case so you'll be perfectly fine if you DON'T STOP

ET Warrior
02-11-2004, 09:18 PM
I have a feeling the bully is going to avoid mikeXP if mike beats him down with a baseball bat. I'd be afraid of someone who did that to me.

IG-64
02-11-2004, 09:20 PM
Originally posted by Weapon X
woohoo, finally something i can help someone with. when you see the kid START THE FIGHT, kicked out of school? oh well at least you'll be the one who's kickin ass. first thing when you see this kid is get a 3 step run at it and throw everything you have into his nose with your strongest hand and grab his shirt at the chest area w/the other and keep swinging, if he goes down start kicking him in the head and STOMP on him. who cares if his friends are there, the 18 yr old will go to jail if he touches you. if you can get 2 rolls of nickels and use them as fist packs cuz they work the best. head-butt him too if you get the chance. take my advice and you'll be the victor, unless you have no fighting skills and he's god or something, but i don't think that's the case so you'll be perfectly fine if you DON'T STOP

I know how to block a lapel grab ;P

DarkLord60
02-11-2004, 09:21 PM
Id get more people to back me up then who cares about a bat.

Pie™
02-11-2004, 09:22 PM
Originally posted by Weapon X take my advice and you'll be the victor, unless you have no fighting skills and he's god or something, but i don't think that's the case so you'll be perfectly fine if you DON'T STOP :eyeraise:

Don't stop until the other guy's dead, you mean? :eyeraise:

I say you take ET's advice ;)

((BTW; i thought you were a pacifist ET))

TheHobGoblin
02-11-2004, 09:23 PM
Hey my job as a Goblin isn't a joke :p

obi
02-11-2004, 09:26 PM
If it will lead to a fight, make sure it hurries up and gets there. The amount of time spent before a fight will KILL your nerves, giving you a handicap.

Gouge his eyes out, that ought to do some good.

Heh.

topshot
02-11-2004, 09:29 PM
I'm usually against violence, but one thing I do know is to keep your eyes and ears open........wide open. Keep a calm mind, and your body should react. Your best offense is usually your best defense and vice-versa.

ET Warrior
02-11-2004, 09:30 PM
Originally posted by MMMPIE!!!
((BTW; i thought you were a pacifist ET))


I am. But that doesn't mean I can't give advice for OTHER people to use.

DarkLord60
02-11-2004, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by obi-wan13
If it will lead to a fight, make sure it hurries up and gets there. The amount of time spent before a fight will KILL your nerves, giving you a handicap.

Gouge his eyes out, that ought to do some good.

Heh.

ROFL

TheHobGoblin
02-11-2004, 09:33 PM
Liesssssssssss...:mad: :D

Reborn Outcast
02-11-2004, 09:38 PM
Well, that's all good advice, but since I've never been in a fight I can't really say much. :( But there is one thing that I do know. If he goes down, kick him in the SIDE of the knee... thats an area that, even if hit softly, will absolutly kill. This much I know haha.

jokemaster
02-11-2004, 09:41 PM
Wear a watch on your wrist. Trust me, if when you block a blow and he hits your watch, it hurts him bad. Also, with guys there's a vein near the elbow that when hit hurts like hell.
NOW GET TRAINING
*starts playing that song from Rocky*

TheHobGoblin
02-11-2004, 09:43 PM
Yeah unfortuantely for me I had to figure that out the hard way... I hit my arm on my Bunk bed... I thought I broke it...

Breton
02-11-2004, 10:13 PM
Michaelmexp: Why do you absolutly have to fight this guy anyway? It's not like people get respect by beating the chitin out of each other, that's just childish IMO.

Just keep in mind: If you don't want to fight, don't. You'll lose nothing. However, if you absolutly do want to fight, just keep in mind the consequences of doing so (which are often quite considerable).

ET Warrior
02-11-2004, 10:24 PM
Originally posted by Breton
It's not like people get respect by beating the chitin out of each other, that's just childish IMO.

Not entirely true, there is a manner of respect associated with the abillity to defend yourself. But, more importantly, beating the chitin out of somebody prevents that somebody from beating the chitin out of YOU.

TK-8252
02-11-2004, 10:30 PM
Fighting will only get you messed up even more. I don't understand how your school would tolerate fighting. My advice is to go to your parents, get them to notify the school. The school has to listen to parents. Stay near teachers or any other administrator, avoid the bully. That's pretty effective. A bully will not be stupid enough to fight right in front of a teacher or administrator. But don't start the fight, if someone is giving you s***, don't act annoyed. That's what bullies want, to have the satisfaction that they're pissing someone off. If you just shrug something off, they'll eventually lose interest and move on to someone else. But in the meantime, tell your parents. Parent involvement is good. Instead of learning how to fight, and getting yourself messed up even more, and risk getting suspended (How will you explain THAT to your parents?), stop the problem before it gets worse!

Breton
02-11-2004, 10:57 PM
Originally posted by ET Warrior
Not entirely true, there is a manner of respect associated with the abillity to defend yourself. But, more importantly, beating the chitin out of somebody prevents that somebody from beating the chitin out of YOU.


Based on my own experience, fighting gives in no way respect.

And remember that starting a fight will likely get yourself beaten up, as most fights tend to end up in both of them beating each other up. And what if you do beat the chitin out of the other? Congrats, you're now the immature bully of the class.

Fights are easily avoided, and you'll not get into one unless you want to yourself. And not fighting at all is much better than the alternative.

Lil Killa
02-11-2004, 11:38 PM
All the fights I have ever been a whitness too haven't lasted more than 30 seconds so I think if you do get in a fight no one will get too hurt. Depends on where it takes place though. If it's inside or outside near the school then some administrator/teacher will be there as soon as they hear people talking really loud... last person messed with me nicely stoped when I told him toshut the **** up and leave me alone :) maybe that could work for you :P ( I also gree 3 inches over the summer so I was taller than him then but hey..)

ZBomber
02-11-2004, 11:52 PM
i think its really sad you are all encouraing a 14 year old to resort to volence, and giving him fighting tips......

hurting him won't help you at all, hes not gonna "fear you" hes gonna be pissed and hurt YOU. :(

wassup
02-11-2004, 11:53 PM
Some of you sicken me...(you know who you are)

Instead of persuading and telling Michaelmexp that there are alternatives to violence, you provide suggestions on how to tread the path of violence. This kind of thing can be avoided. When you stop thinking of other ways for resolving a conflict, you have already lost the fight.

zERoCooL2479
02-11-2004, 11:56 PM
WASSSSSSUUUUUUUUPPP:D

ZBomber
02-11-2004, 11:59 PM
Originally posted by zERoCooL2479
WASSSSSSUUUUUUUUPPP:D

Wow, how informative! :thumbsup:

Jedi Luke
02-12-2004, 12:00 AM
Beating the crap out of the kidneys is good. They'll end up pissing blood for a week. My friends have got tips too. I'll find out from them.

TheHobGoblin
02-12-2004, 12:22 AM
Okay non violent tip eh?

Find another route home...

Arreat
02-12-2004, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by leXX
Some great suggestions here, especially the kick to the bollocks.

By this you mean nuts? If so thats not a good Idea... 'Cause you see, its just like killing a person who is chatting on JO or someone having sabre down. Its like forbidden to perform a nutcracker when fighting, that is if the ifhgt is between two men. :D A good strategy would be to poke both of his pupils then when he can't see sock him in the face. :P Then do whatever you wish from there.

MennoniteHobbit
02-12-2004, 12:38 AM
Well, I'm a black belt in Tae-Kwon-Do, but all it takes is common sense...
first of all, just worry about NOT getting hit, this usually takes care of a dorky punk. if u can do this, just ignore the rest.
second of all, don't kick him where it hurts unless he does something really dirty
if he tries to kick you under the waist, move out of the way, block, but don't take it tough...
keep track of your breathing. if the guy hits you, try to regain a breathing rhythm. Without air, you're useless...
just hit him in the gut, then poke his eyes as not to permanently injure, etc.

yep, pretty much some common sense. and remember, DO NOT FIGHT unless you have to... hopefully, with luck, you won't. Like everyone said, stay near someone the bully guy will have to be good around. Just don't take the role of a whimp... that'll give you long-term "non-respect." Good luck.

Jedi Luke
02-12-2004, 12:42 AM
how confident are you of winning the fight?

ET Warrior
02-12-2004, 12:58 AM
Originally posted by Arreat
By this you mean nuts? If so thats not a good Idea... 'Cause you see, its just like killing a person who is chatting on JO or someone having sabre down. Its like forbidden to perform a nutcracker when fighting, that is if the ifhgt is between two men.

BLEH. Taboo or not, if I got stuck in a situation where I had to fight, I'm gonna use any method I have at my disposal to win. A strong kick to the nuts is gonna make a guy think twice about continuing the fight.

Instead of persuading and telling Michaelmexp that there are alternatives to violence, you provide suggestions on how to tread the path of violence. This kind of thing can be avoided. When you stop thinking of other ways for resolving a conflict, you have already lost the fight.

Meh, we're assuming he's already tried the non-violent means. (which it seems he has)

And what if you do beat the chitin out of the other? Congrats, you're now the immature bully of the class.
Not true, now you're the person who stood up to the bully and wouldn't allow him to push you around.

topshot
02-12-2004, 01:10 AM
Originally posted by ZBomber
i think its really sad you are all encouraing a 14 year old to resort to volence, and giving him fighting tips......

hurting him won't help you at all, hes not gonna "fear you" hes gonna be pissed and hurt YOU. :(

You're right. It took me to realize it, but he should find some way to defend himself without hurting the other dude in the process. I feel so ashamed of myself.

*Hangs name on wall of shame.*

TK-8252
02-12-2004, 01:11 AM
Originally posted by zERoCooL2479
WASSSSSSUUUUUUUUPPP:D http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/positive1.jpg


Michael, don't listen to some of these people. Fighting is NOT the answer. If you fight this kid tomorrow, and even if you win, and you're not suspended from school, it's not like he'll go away forever. You've still got the entire school year to go through with him. And if you kick his ass, he'll just be even more pissed and will try to get back at you. Listen to the voice of reason! Fighting the guy will not solve the problem, it'll only make it worse! Besides, do you really want to take the risk of getting YOUR ass kicked, and getting suspended from school? If you fight, even if it's self-defense, the school will give you no mercy!

My school's Code of Student Conduct
THREAT OR ASSULT - No student shall intentionally threaten, assault, or cause physical injury to other students or to any school personnel.

ET Warrior
02-12-2004, 01:35 AM
I say, as long as you've tried to avoid it, then go for it man. don't always regret that you backed away. And if your parents don't understand that you got suspended for defending yourself...then they're not very good parents I say.

jokemaster
02-12-2004, 01:39 AM
I agree that he should try to find an alternative, but if the other guy starts a fight, he at least needs to know how to defend himself. Heck, it happened to me, a fight started, no teachers around, and I couldn't run (that school had like a 10 foot patio with one corner where there's a soccer goal, a bench, and a wall. I was cornered there and a fight began, which I barely managed to fight without any major injuries. Like, for example, hitting someone in the vein I said can give you a good head start.

And if you do decide to fight, don't do anything near the nuts, you hit that it becomes anything goes, trust me. Don't start the fight, but do defend yourself.

wassup
02-12-2004, 01:56 AM
Originally posted by ET Warrior

Meh, we're assuming he's already tried the non-violent means. (which it seems he has)


What I'm trying to point out here is that there is always a non-violent way, and it should be our obligation to help him in every possible way to find that path. We've got enough violence in this world, no need to provoke even more.

Heh, I sound like a hippie (no offense to hippies). :)

jokemaster
02-12-2004, 02:02 AM
Originally posted by wassup
What I'm trying to point out here is that there is always a non-violent way,
Not once the other guy starts the fight, I just want to give him some pointers, cause I din't want Micheal to get beat up.
Originally posted by wassup

Heh, I sound like a hippie (no offense to hippies). :)
None taken. :p

Lil Killa
02-12-2004, 02:06 AM
This is what I would do.. At my school I luckily have no one that messes with me besides my friends but we have two officers that roam the school all day. I don't know about your school but we have a county sherif and a local officer and you can go to somone like that and no no matter what is going on whether it be verbal assualt or some sort of physical harsament, they will go talk to the person and if you had witnesses you could get the id susspended, or if it happened off campus he could go to juvy.

Also.. teachers aren't the ones to go to.. half of them don't give a rats ass about you anyway. If you didn't have an oficer to go to you could try on of the administrative staff.

TK-8252
02-12-2004, 02:37 AM
It's important that Michael does not find himself in a fighting situation in the first place. He must get the school to deal with the bully before the guy goes too far and injures him. In the meantime, he needs to stay away from the bully, avoid him as much as possible. And if the guy does make the first move, shrug it off, act as if it doesn't bother you. Retaliation invites the fight. A bully will most likely not just beat the crap out of you while you stand there taking it. Because if he's trying to show off in front of everyone how he kicked some kid's ass, if you don't actually fight back, no one will be impressed. Anyone can beat someone up while they stand there helpless. Sometimes the best thing to do is just let the bully push him around. Why? Because he'll eventually lose interest. And you can always go to the school staff for help. A bully won't beat you up bad if you're not fighting back, he'll see you as a coward, and won't consider you worth fighting.

Kain
02-12-2004, 02:50 AM
Want a non-violent solution? Get his attention on someone else; ie: Get someone to just start crap with him. Now enough of this hippy love your fellow man bull****.

If your in the school, lockers are a blessing. Loud noises(like his head pinging off of a locker) can disorient the bugger, giving you ample time follow up some more. And if you know any WWE moves, get him locked in one of those (Tazzmission is VERY hard to break out of when properly applied), that way he goes down and stays down until faculty has a chance to break it up.

And don't forget the banjo.

ET Warrior
02-12-2004, 02:51 AM
Actually, your logic is totally wrong. I know a guy who was mad at someone so he punched him. The guy did nothing, so he punched him again. Still, the guy just shrugged it off and tried to walk away. Well THAT made the first guy mad, so he knocked him down and started punching him in the face and just kept yelling, i'll stop as soon as you fight back.

Guy never fought back, got the living piss beat out of him.

TK-8252
02-12-2004, 03:34 AM
Well there's a difference between a bully, and someone that's insane. The bully that Michael seems to be dealing with doesn't seem to be the kind of guy who just thinks everyone can go to hell and if someone looks at me I'll freakin kill 'em. <- Those types of guys aren't usually that popular or with many friends. :D

Originally posted by Kain
And if you know any WWE moves, get him locked in one of those (Tazzmission is VERY hard to break out of when properly applied), that way he goes down and stays down until faculty has a chance to break it up. We're talking about little middle school kids (Michael is 13), not six foot tall high school football players in the locker room. Get a sense of what's going on, it's hard to imagine some 13 year old pulling WWE moves. When someone fights at school it's usually a pathetic display. Two really pissed off guys who think they're tough, shoving each other until a teacher breaks it up.

ET Warrior
02-12-2004, 03:45 AM
Originally posted by TK-8252
Well there's a difference between a bully, and someone that's insane. The bully that Michael seems to be dealing with doesn't seem to be the kind of guy who just thinks everyone can go to hell and if someone looks at me I'll freakin kill 'em. <- Those types of guys aren't usually that popular or with many friends. :D


Actually, the guy I was talking about is a pretty nice guy most of the time, well liked, hell I like him. He's just really strong, and when he's mad..............badnewsbears

Kain
02-12-2004, 04:47 AM
Originally posted by TK-8252
We're talking about little middle school kids (Michael is 13), not six foot tall high school football players in the locker room. Get a sense of what's going on, it's hard to imagine some 13 year old pulling WWE moves.

Hardly. I was doing that crap when I was his age. And the tazzmission is easy. Just get one arm around his neck, and the other under his arm, lock your arms and wrap your legs around him once he's down so he can't move. Apply enough pressure to make his oxygen supply get mighty short so everytime he struggles, he gets weaker and weaker. Very simple move, but very effective.

Watch the sleeper hold on Big Daddy to get an idea.

Tyrion
02-12-2004, 05:26 AM
1. Stand up to him but dont fight. Let him punch you a few times, if you can handle it. He'll start to get nervous, especially if a crowd's around. Make sure to not show any pain, and to grin evily at him. Give him a look like you're going to really kill him. If he's a real bully, acting like a physcopath will make him piss in his pants.

2. Inform your parents of the fight. As others have said before, the school has to pay attention, or else you should really go to another school.

3. Let him get one good swing at you, and then feign dead. He'll probably get scared, or become off guard, and that's when you get him. This is a last resort, by the way.

Violence itself wont solve much. Try everything you can that is peaceful, and if it doesnt work then you have to fight, unfortunately.

TiE23
02-12-2004, 06:07 AM
#1 rule: Always BLOCK YOUR BALLS!!!!


And remember, don't do any of those locking/wrestling moves b u l l s h i t they don't work! And what I would do is kick him in the side of the knee so he loses his balance and take a whack at the face, it will hurt ur hand, but forget about it... easy

TiE

jokemaster
02-12-2004, 11:48 AM
One time I saw a bully picking on someone, and the other guy wouldn't fight and wouldn't fight. As far as I saw the bully got so nervous he kicked the other guy in the balls just to make him fight. BEWARE THE NUT-CRACKER!

Also, nailing a guy with a ball on the nuts will take him to the floor, garuanteed.

Astrotoy7
02-12-2004, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by Breton
Michaelmexp: Why do you absolutly have to fight this guy anyway? It's not like people get respect by beating the chitin out of each other, that's just childish IMO.

Just keep in mind: If you don't want to fight, don't. You'll lose nothing. However, if you absolutly do want to fight, just keep in mind the consequences of doing so (which are often quite considerable).

I wholeheartedly agree with Breton...

BTW, where are your parents ? My dad came to school with me when I was 12 after I told him I was in a similar situation. I didnt feel weak, because I just wanted to get on with school/play and life! Needless to say, a cpl of words from my old man to this kid, and the problem was settled.....

However, I have been in a few fights, and come a family of roughnuts, so I can pass on this :

*psychology is the key. Let me quote James Brown
"I don't know Karate, but I know C-razy !"

you gotta act CRAZY man. Pretend your crying, screaming, pretend like your gollum and talk to yourself and go nuts, say every rude word you know and then.............

i) jump on the guy
ii) bite
iii) kick and flail
iv) scream and wail like a banshee
v) pull hair
vi) kick/punch him in the guts...as funny as it sounds, kicking someone in the privates can do irreparable damage...its not worth it in the grander scheme of things

Also, the night before, do some sit ups, play lots of mortal kombat, watch rocky III(where the poor old penguin gets killed), watch 'Fist of Fury' and

but Seriously... I still think you should settle this differently, and who is this 18 year old loser hanging around, hasnt he got any friends his own age to smoke pot with......??

yeah, basically, fighting isnt the answer, but in saying that, I think you may have to end up fighting to learn this yourself, perhaps....

MTFBWYA

Mex
02-12-2004, 01:57 PM
Eh, the fight didn't happen today anyways.

I'll erm, read all your advice later... As for now.. [Hoovers room. <.<]

IG-64
02-12-2004, 03:59 PM
Originally posted by Michaelmexp
Eh, the fight didn't happen today anyways.

I'll erm, read all your advice later... As for now.. [Hoovers room. <.<]

you asked for advice and you didn't even read it?

ExcelsioN
02-12-2004, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by Michaelmexp
Eh, the fight didn't happen today anyways.

I'll erm, read all your advice later... As for now.. [Hoovers room. <.<]

Then it'll never happen. We have arranged fights outside the flagpole at my school, and usually 90-100 people turn up (My entire year is 140 people). If they don't take place on the day they're set for, then they never do.

DarkLord60
02-12-2004, 07:43 PM
I am sure you encounter him in the future but then you will be ready.

TheHobGoblin
02-12-2004, 08:10 PM
I got it

which one

Pumpkins bombs?

MG Turret?

or non violent alterantive... Mace Thrower (Like a flame thrower)

obi
02-12-2004, 11:40 PM
The fight didn't happen today, but it may later. Ignore those who say "FIGHTING IS BAD! AHHH! RUN FOR THE HILLS!BLAH BLAH BLAH!"

Sometimes fighting is the best way to show everyone you're not afraid. It shows them you will not be walked over, go mess with someone else. Besides, fighting saves a lot of time. You can negotiate all day and get no where.

Whatever road you choose to walk down, I'm not here to judge you. (Like some of these clowns are doing)

If it does lead to conflict, give it all you got!

jokemaster
02-13-2004, 12:04 AM
^what he said.

wassup
02-13-2004, 12:14 AM
Originally posted by obi-wan13
The fight didn't happen today, but it may later. Ignore those who say "FIGHTING IS BAD! AHHH! RUN FOR THE HILLS!BLAH BLAH BLAH!"

The message here isn't to run away like a coward, its that there is always a way to avoid violence. Not by acting craven, but by standing your ground and being disciplined with yourself. Beating the crap out of someone may make you look strong, but restraining that urge gives you strength where it counts.

obi
02-13-2004, 12:19 AM
So he should just stand there and take a beating, not doing anything to look out for himself.

Got it.

TK-8252
02-13-2004, 12:27 AM
Originally posted by obi-wan13
The fight didn't happen today, but it may later. Ignore those who say "FIGHTING IS BAD! AHHH! RUN FOR THE HILLS!BLAH BLAH BLAH!"

Sometimes fighting is the best way to show everyone you're not afraid. It shows them you will not be walked over, go mess with someone else. Besides, fighting saves a lot of time. You can negotiate all day and get no where.

Whatever road you choose to walk down, I'm not here to judge you. (Like some of these clowns are doing)

If it does lead to conflict, give it all you got! Let's see...

Fighting is also a good way to:

-Get suspended from school.
-Get in serious trouble with your parents.
-Get the crap beaten out of you.
-Continue a world of pointless violence.
-Make yourself no better than the bully.
-Get hated by the bully even more, and now his friends will be out to get you.

Do you really want all these side-effects? I don't think so!

What would fighting him gain you? More enemies, for one. Plus, if you did fight, and even if you won, what makes you think he'll just leave you alone? The exact opposite, he will be out to GET REVENGE! Then the real damage happens. And by real damage I mean crime.

obi
02-13-2004, 12:35 AM
Is defending yourself from an aggresor a crime?

Shame.

Sure, fighting could get you into trouble, if you START IT. But if you're minding your own business and this moron comes out of no where and begins to physically abuse you, fight back, for goodness sakes! Forget morals, forget everything you've learned, just survive!

Continue a world of pointless violence? Defending yourself and establishing a reputation as someone who will not be trifled with is not pointless.

The bully's friends come after you even after you stand up to the bully himself? Give them the same treatment. Maybe the teachers will begin to actually look into the case and find out the truth.

MennoniteHobbit
02-13-2004, 01:00 AM
Well, you see, I do agree with you obi, about fighting back, but you simply can't do it. I mean, pushing and shovin is ok, but fighting back is just like starting it... only because you agreed, at the moment you hit the other guy, that you will fight him. If you never hit him back, you're basically signaling to him that you do not want to fight, and a fight will simply not happen. The other guy will try to beat the living guts out of you, but if you don't hit back, you can tell an adminstrator what happened, other guy gets expelled, end of story. In my school, only 2 fights have happened in the past 5 years, out of like 20. This is because the victim does not fight back.... Though defending yourself is needed and only instincts, you should try to refrain from it. Otherwise, just temporarily disable your bully guy. Don't do permanent damage.

ZBomber
02-13-2004, 01:01 AM
Originally posted by TK-8252
Let's see...

Fighting is also a good way to:

-Get suspended from school.
-Get in serious trouble with your parents.
-Get the crap beaten out of you.
-Continue a world of pointless violence.
-Make yourself no better than the bully.
-Get hated by the bully even more, and now his friends will be out to get you.

Do you really want all these side-effects? I don't think so!

What would fighting him gain you? More enemies, for one. Plus, if you did fight, and even if you won, what makes you think he'll just leave you alone? The exact opposite, he will be out to GET REVENGE! Then the real damage happens. And by real damage I mean crime.

I love you.... :D

Obi, you don't have to fight back for defense.....

jokemaster
02-13-2004, 01:28 AM
A friend of mine tried not fighting back. He ended up with a black eye and a swollen lip. Trust me, teachers usually understand if you fight back.

wassup
02-13-2004, 01:40 AM
Originally posted by jokemaster
A friend of mine tried not fighting back. He ended up with a black eye and a swollen lip. Trust me, teachers usually understand if you fight back.

A little off-topic, but my friend was suspended for betting upon the outcome of a fight that never actually occured. I doubt very much that many teachers understand to a reasonable extent most of the things going on at most schools, and even if they do I doubt they care very much about it. Many think, "hey, this isn't my problem, I'm here to teach my sujbect, and I've got to worry about my meager paycheck and benefits too, the counselors will handle it, etc." Many teachers are simply not trained to properly handle problems like these.

This also does not mean that Michael should not go seeking counsel. If he has a teacher he is close to and trusts, then I suggest he go to them right away (if the situation is serious enough). If you open your mind, hope and alternatives will always emerge.

TK-8252
02-13-2004, 01:47 AM
Originally posted by obi-wan13
Is defending yourself from an aggresor a crime?

Shame. Please read my post a little more carefully. I don't mean that self-defense fighting is a crime. What I mean is that actual crimes could be committed against you by the bully and/or his friends. At my school, these two guys are complete enemies. One guy went over to the other guy's house... stole his bike, and hospitalized him.

Originally posted by obi-wan13
Sure, fighting could get you into trouble, if you START IT. But if you're minding your own business and this moron comes out of no where and begins to physically abuse you, fight back, for goodness sakes! Forget morals, forget everything you've learned, just survive! At my school, there are no loop-holes. You hurt someone intentionally, you are considered fighting. You will be given no mercy. Administrators aren't going to investigate it... anyone who is using their brain would not fight back. Self-defense, in school, that is, is equally as wrong. I mean, self-defense in the real world can be good, if someone has broken into your house and is holding your family at gunpoint or something. But what is the point of fighting back if some bully shoves you? Ow, that kid shoved me into the locker, I got a scratch on my elbow. I'm gonna get so pissed and beat the crap outta that kid and get suspended from school because I don't know how to react properly.

Originally posted by obi-wan13
The bully's friends come after you even after you stand up to the bully himself? Give them the same treatment. Maybe the teachers will begin to actually look into the case and find out the truth. Of course they'll come after you! And how are you so sure that his friends will be as easy to fight? Maybe you win against the bully, but now you gotta face his friends. And you know what the school will do after you get in fight after fight? Remove you from school - permanently.

Originally posted by ZBomber
I love you.... :D http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/positive8.jpg

Originally posted by jokemaster
A friend of mine tried not fighting back. He ended up with a black eye and a swollen lip. Trust me, teachers usually understand if you fight back.

Originally posted by TK-8252
At my school, there are no loop-holes. You hurt someone intentionally, you are considered fighting. You will be given no mercy. Administrators aren't going to investigate it.

jokemaster
02-13-2004, 01:54 AM
^You and I must go to very different schools. At mine the teachers do care about you. Anyway, sure if he shoves you it's no big deal, but once he throws a punch you do have to defend yourself. Cause in my experience these kids shove, if you ignore them they punch, if you still don't move they're really gonna start beating the crap out of you. That's what I, and i think Obi-13 mean.

topshot
02-13-2004, 02:07 AM
Originally posted by jokemaster
^You and I must go to very different schools. At mine the teachers do care about you. Anyway, sure if he shoves you it's no big deal, but once he throws a punch you do have to defend yourself. Cause in my experience these kids shove, if you ignore them they punch, if you still don't move they're really gonna start beating the crap out of you. That's what I, and i think Obi-13 mean.

In my school, fighting back, and anything just plain wrong like doing drugs, will usually end up in going to see the "campus cop" , which sometimes ends up in the cuffs bein' slapped on and taking a little ride to J.D.C., Jail, or even to prison.

It's best to take the long way out when walking home. Jog most of the way, look all ways to see if they're trying to entrap you (and to check for passing vehicles), then "R.L.H.!!!!!" (If you know what I mean by that.) Run as fast as your legs can take you.

jokemaster
02-13-2004, 02:14 AM
Originally posted by topshot
In my school, fighting back, and anything just plain wrong like doing drugs, will usually end up in going to see the "campus cop" , which sometimes ends up in the cuffs bein' slapped on and taking a little ride to J.D.C., Jail, or even to prison.

It's best to take the long way out when walking home. Jog most of the way, look all ways to see if they're trying to entrap you (and to check for passing vehicles), then "R.L.H.!!!!!" (If you know what I mean by that.) Run as fast as your legs can take you.
My school's an hour away from my house, and it's a bus ride to boot. So basically if someone wants to attack you on the way home, you're screwed.

topshot
02-13-2004, 02:17 AM
Originally posted by jokemaster
My school's an hour away from my house, and it's a bus ride to boot. So basically if someone wants to attack you on the way home, you're screwed.

Not if you plan your route, a strategy, and a backup plan. But then again, even strategies have their flaws.

ET Warrior
02-13-2004, 04:39 AM
"R.L.H.!!!!!" (If you know what I mean by that.) Run as fast as your legs can take you.
That's the ticket everyone! RUN FROM LIFES PROBLEMS! That'll really solve things. He has to go to SCHOOL with this guy. If he just runs he's just setting himself up to get knocked out.

MysticSpade
02-13-2004, 05:04 AM
DUDE DO NOT THROW THE FIRST PUNCH

if anyone sees you throw the first punch you will be in the most trouble.

but i am an extremely good fighter i'm tellin what you need to do is go straight for the nose. you mess his nose up his eyes will tear up and he won't be able to see. then you can wail on him real good. you just need people to take care of his lackeys.

ET Warrior
02-13-2004, 05:07 AM
I say throw the first punch. Sure, you'll probably get in more trouble, but if you slam him in the nose before he's even thinking of swinging, you've pretty much already won the fight. You've saved yourself alot of physical pain, and you probably would've gotten in trouble anyways.

wassup
02-13-2004, 05:30 AM
Originally posted by ET Warrior
I say throw the first punch.

Yeah, he may have won the battle, but has he won the war? The war I'm refering to is the chain of snowballing problems that are the consequences of violence that TK-8252 stated (who throws the first punch matters not).

Originally posted by ET Warrior
you probably would've gotten in trouble anyways.

From my point of view, this is just being ignorant. Ignorance towards the fact that you don't have to get in trouble and that you can avoid this becoming an even bigger problem. By choosing to instigate violence, you are becoming a part of the problem instead of a being a solution towards putting an end to it.

Originally posted by jokemaster
My school's an hour away from my house, and it's a bus ride to boot. So basically if someone wants to attack you on the way home, you're screwed.

How about walking with a group of friends?

ET Warrior
02-13-2004, 05:38 AM
Originally posted by wassup
Yeah, he may have won the battle, but has he won the war? The war I'm refering to is the chain of snowballing problems that are the consequences of violence that TK-8252 stated (who throws the first punch matters not).

Just ignoring it won't make it go away either. And if you get teachers invovled, odds are that's going to create a lot MORE resentment from the bully.

If the bully got beat around a little, there's a really good chance he'd try to find another target, one with less bite back.

And don't give me that ignorant bull. Michealmexp lives in a little place called the real world where there is NOT always an alternative to fighting. Face it. Humans are animals, and our instincts drive us sometimes. Some people can't be reasoned with, such as most bullies.

Kain
02-13-2004, 08:24 AM
Originally posted by Tie 23
don't do any of those locking/wrestling moves b u l l s h i t they don't work

HA!! Tell that to the guy who I choked out and he got in trouble for starting the fight and all I did was 'detain' him. So what if he was half-unconscience when the hall monitor got there, I wasn't breaking any rules.

obi
02-13-2004, 12:50 PM
You guys are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying start the fight at all. I'm saying that if a jackass comes up wanting trouble, you give it to him. Even if you get beaten up, they'll know you'll fight back. Possibly, they might think twice about trying to gang up on you again.

ET makes a great point, as he so frequently does, when he says you simply can't ignore it. That is just not real. It's not possible at all, unless the bully completely changes over night. So you can throw that idea out of the window.

When I was in Junior High, I was made fun of frequently, and I was a main target for the bullies. Everytime they came around, they would abuse me physically in some way. I had enough of their idiocy, so I fought back. Hard.

After that day, I have never been in a physical confrontation. The bullies left me alone. Not altogether, of course, but they never tried anything to harm me again.

Someone said that inner strength comes from not fighting, when I know from experience that there is no such thing as inner strength. You have your wits and your arms, and thats it. There's no magical power you can use to simply sway your opponent from fighting.


Bottom line, if he does something to you, you retaliate with all you've got.

Give 'um Hell.

Astrotoy7
02-13-2004, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by Michaelmexp
Eh, the fight didn't happen today anyways.

I'll erm, read all your advice later... As for now.. [Hoovers room. <.<]

all this advice and you didnt read it...... and here we all are worried for you little guy !!

hmmmm..... ah well, at least you have raised an interesting point of debate, and someone else who gets into a similar situation may learn something.........

also, buy some pepper spray, easy to use, very effective

MTFBWYA

jokemaster
02-13-2004, 02:36 PM
Originally posted by wassup

How about walking with a group of friends?
It's a BUS RIDE, it doesn't matter if you walk alone or with 8 friends, if he wants to beat you up, he'll beat you up. It's on a school bus, and the person who's in charge doesn't care unless we harm the bus or something horrible.
And Obi, I agree, don't throw the first punch, but if the other guy throws a punch, defend yourself.

topshot
02-13-2004, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by ET Warrior
That's the ticket everyone! RUN FROM LIFES PROBLEMS! That'll really solve things. He has to go to SCHOOL with this guy. If he just runs he's just setting himself up to get knocked out.

How would you know that, though?

I'm not saying he should run from his problems. He has to find an alternative. Either he's gonna have to learn to take a few punches or he's gonna have to run for safety. Violence just results in more violence.

I'm sick of this senseless flaming. Grow up. Not everyone sees things your way. I think I've said enough now.

obi
02-13-2004, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by topshot

I'm sick of this senseless flaming. Grow up. Not everyone sees things your way. I think I've said enough now.

What are you trying to prove, huh?

Nobody is flaming.

topshot
02-13-2004, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by obi-wan13
What are you trying to prove, huh?

Nobody is flaming.

Actually, I have no idea what I'm trying to prove. All I just know is that bullying has got to end. My apologies if I was being such an ass.

Alegis
02-13-2004, 06:38 PM
Ooh fights...

I myself started one, got me in loads of trouble...Then some months ago I was ambushed by 6 PPL (all 1 year younger) for some feking reason, when they do that usually one or two comes closer to you first. Beat the crap out of them asap (before the others 'arrive'), however they were with 6 the chicken****s ran away. I only got to touch 2. Fear is an important factor. I got that first person by grabning that one like, by the trouserneck or hair if possible (i preffer trouserneck) and kick em in the face. I 'pay respect' to certain rules like biting and nothing under the belt, but 6vs1 is way past fair

I started boxing recently, but thats not for the fighting, I got these 'fields of tension' in the middle of my chest and infront of my head, which cause me a lot of migraine from time to time

generally, i dont recommend it. When attacked i go for it, but only if i cant avoid it (i dont like running, they usually catch up and i've shown a great deal of fear then). Dont go for this one, michealmeexp

Rad Blackrose
02-13-2004, 07:06 PM
I have a question for all the people advocating peace in this thread. Have you ever, and I mean ever have had your life threatened, or suffered the abuse via others?

I have, and if you have seen the crap I have, you would realize that there is a time for words, and a time for fists to fly.

The fact is that the dregs of society (in this case the bullies of public education systems) decide to throw around their muscle and harass people has gone on long enough. Teachers and administrators rarely decide to act on hearsay, and instead wait on the fight to occur and be harsh on both parties.

At the same time, it seems self-defense is no longer a valid excuse. Even if you do know the other person threw the first punch, it doesn't matter. It's as though they expect you to take the beating.

So do you want 13 year old Johnny to die from a 6 man gangbang because he was hoping a teacher would break up a fight, and thus did not attack? Or that an administrator would see this crowd and break it up? Yeah, maybe in a perfect world it would happen.

So in essence, to your pacifistic notions, I say two words:

F*** it.

I happen to have a little policy that is known to my real life friends, "You violate my space with mal intent, and I'll beat you like a red headed stepchild."

Granted, I have training in military self-defense, bo staff, and dual sais, but even without this leverage, the policy would still apply.

It was my third week in college last semester when one night I had a drunken person on the same floor of the dorms as me start badmouthing. After trying the age old diplomatic solution, he grabbed my arm tightly. Needless to say, I choke held him and jacked him up against a wall. Just to shut him up real quick, I put a right cross to his face.

I knew the idiot would have pulled a move sooner or later, but instead decided to play the innocent victim when people filed out of their rooms. He only got the pity of two people (the two girls he was about to smoke pot with) while the rest of the people looked with eyes wide opened.

Lets take a look at the replay:

1.) Drunken idiot invaded personal space, after talking smack, with physical contact
2.) Diplomacy failed: People who think they are all high and mighty tend to need to be a wee bit stubborn, and thus need to be brought down off their high horse.

As far as do's and don'ts in fighting, remember: Anything goes. Break some bones. Feel free to nail someone in the twig and berries if the opportunity presents itself. Hell, yesterday I learned an extension off an overhead bo strike that goes right for the family jewels. Chivalry is dead, and last I checked there are very few practicioners of Bushido. Just don't kill the person, and try not to discombobulate the person. This isn't war.

And if you do decide to fight, be humble about it. Don't go off saying, "I beat soandso's ass." You garner more respect by keeping it to yourself, and not creating delusions of grandeur.

So, to recap:

1.) Try to talk it over, but don't rely on it to get you out of all situations.
2.) If you feel your personal space being invaded or threatened, have at it.
3.) Running from your problems is never, never, EVER a solution.

Agen
02-13-2004, 07:31 PM
#1 rule: Always BLOCK YOUR BALLS!!!!
? I could go into that but I can't be bothered. All you gotta do is once you stop is don't stop, this works, block out the pain and give everything until he's down and you're knackered. Try and refrain from pulling coats and grappling etc, that is always in favour of the better/bigger built guy.

kicking someone in the privates can do irreparable damage...its not worth it in the grander scheme of things
Yeah, same with eye gouging, not good.

We have arranged fights outside the flagpole at my school, and usually 90-100 people turn up (My entire year is 140 people). If they don't take place on the day they're set for, then they never do.
Not in my school, unarranged fights break out and almost a thousand folk gather to watch.... way, way more than 100 people, more like 1000 heh. (my year is just under 800 though heh)

Well there's a difference between a bully, and someone that's insane. The bully that Michael seems to be dealing with doesn't seem to be the kind of guy who just thinks everyone can go to hell and if someone looks at me I'll freakin kill 'em. <- Those types of guys aren't usually that popular or with many friends.
Mmmmmmm, that kind of lot usually stick together so it's worse. :p

Get a sense of what's going on, it's hard to imagine some 13 year old pulling WWE moves. When someone fights at school it's usually a pathetic display. Two really pissed off guys who think they're tough, shoving each other until a teacher breaks it up.
Hah, not here! I broke my friends arm and screwed up his tooth when I was fighting him. I was 12 ;)

Stand up to him but dont fight. Let him punch you a few times, if you can handle it. He'll start to get nervous, especially if a crowd's around. Make sure to not show any pain, and to grin evily at him. Give him a look like you're going to really kill him. If he's a real bully, acting like a physcopath will make him piss in his pants.
Hmmm, I think I'll disagree there, 3 punches to the head from a decent fighter and I'm pretty sure most would be knocked out or bleeding a waterfall.

3. Let him get one good swing at you, and then feign dead. He'll probably get scared, or become off guard, and that's when you get him. This is a last resort, by the way. I tried that once... it doesn't work, in fact, you get the p*ss taking out of you for ages...

-Get suspended from school. - YAY!
-Get in serious trouble with your parents. - Um, I'm sure my parents wouldn't gimme into trouble for defending myself
-Get the crap beaten out of you. - Not gonna happen if he takes the advice in this thread about fighting
-Continue a world of pointless violence. - Well actually, if he kicks the bully's ass then he's mroe liekly to not bully others.
-Make yourself no better than the bully. - Who cares what everyone else thinks about that, you showed that bully who not to mess with.
-Get hated by the bully even more, and now his friends will be out to get you. - Solution: Get your friends QUOTE]

[QUOTE]you won, what makes you think he'll just leave you alone? The exact opposite, he will be out to GET REVENGE!
If you can whoop him once, why not again? Seriously, almost everyone I've fought with, no matter what their injuries, I usually become their friend :D

but fighting back is just like starting it... only because you agreed, at the moment you hit the other guy, that you will fight him. If you never hit him back, you're basically signaling to him that you do not want to fight, and a fight will simply not happen. The other guy will try to beat the living guts out of you, but if you don't hit back, you can tell an adminstrator what happened, other guy gets expelled, end of story.
Heh, getting expelled for a measly fight?? Also, I notice lots of you seem to fight in school, get your ass out at lunch time and do the damage where no one can interrupt.

At my school, there are no loop-holes. You hurt someone intentionally, you are considered fighting. You will be given no mercy. Administrators aren't going to investigate it... anyone who is using their brain would not fight back.

Heh, that's weird. I'd tell the admin guys or whatever to seek help on their justice.

I'm gonna get so pissed and beat the crap outta that kid and get suspended from school because I don't know how to react properly.
Most people push back... then the punches fly in. Even if you are of the compulsive agressision type then say they were gonna hit you or you throught that... always works.

Of course they'll come after you! And how are you so sure that his friends will be as easy to fight? Maybe you win against the bully, but now you gotta face his friends. And you know what the school will do after you get in fight after fight? Remove you from school - permanently.
Um.... don't fight in the school? It's none of their damned business then. Also, explain your story and I'm sure you aint gonna get expelled

if you still don't move they're really gonna start beating the crap out of you. That's what I, and i think Obi-13 mean.
Add me to that list.

but i am an extremely good fighter i'm tellin what you need to do is go straight for the nose. you mess his nose up his eyes will tear up and he won't be able to see
Yah, excellent tactic. Once you start though, don't stop or you let them back into the fight.

Yeah, he may have won the battle, but has he won the war? The war I'm refering to is the chain of snowballing problems that are the consequences of violence that TK-8252 stated (who throws the first punch matters not).
Hmmmm, here, when you fight (unless jumped) and get beat, you take it. No need for revenge, there are no rules when it comes to punching first - if they had the equal chance then it's their failt for not using their brain (I'm not saying throw the first punch, just that you can)

Yeah, he may have won the battle, but has he won the war? The war I'm refering to is the chain of snowballing problems that are the consequences of violence that TK-8252 stated (who throws the first punch matters not).


Basically, if your school has no fairness or equality, fight outside at lunch or after school. In the real world, running away or standing still and taking a beating doesn't usually work in your favour. Being a chicken is worse than being whooped.

Also, if outnumbered heavily go bezerkoid or run away.... that's ok.


MAJOR FIGHTING TIP: GO FOR NOSE AND NEVER STOP UNLESS YOU LOSE YOUR LIMBS ETC.

Also, for pain, a fast, strong whack that comes back quick (never slow) works wonders. Try not to swing as they can see it a mile away.

TK-8252
02-13-2004, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by MysticSpade
what you need to do is go straight for the nose. you mess his nose up his eyes will tear up and he won't be able to see. then you can wail on him real good. you just need people to take care of his lackeys. Yeah, then you get suspended from school and pretty much further on you're screwed.

Originally posted by ET Warrior
I say throw the first punch. Sure, you'll probably get in more trouble, but if you slam him in the nose before he's even thinking of swinging, you've pretty much already won the fight. You've saved yourself alot of physical pain, and you probably would've gotten in trouble anyways. Or how about this: DON'T FIGHT

Originally posted by ET Warrior
Just ignoring it won't make it go away either. And if you get teachers invovled, odds are that's going to create a lot MORE resentment from the bully. The bully can't do much harm when he's suspended from school!

Originally posted by ET Warrior
If the bully got beat around a little, there's a really good chance he'd try to find another target, one with less bite back. Absolutely not! If you fight him, and kick his ass, there will only be MORE reason for him to try to get revenge. THAT is how rivalries start.

Originally posted by ET Warrior
And don't give me that ignorant bull. Michealmexp lives in a little place called the real world where there is NOT always an alternative to fighting. Face it. Humans are animals, and our instincts drive us sometimes. Some people can't be reasoned with, such as most bullies. There is a way: Go to the school and have him removed. Then you don't have to deal with it. OH!

Originally posted by obi-wan13
I'm saying that if a jackass comes up wanting trouble, you give it to him. And he gives it right back. Then the school gives some more.

Originally posted by obi-wan13
Even if you get beaten up, they'll know you'll fight back. Possibly, they might think twice about trying to gang up on you again. Exact opposite. If they know that you're gonna fight back, and they can win, they'll take every chance they have to start a fight. Just so they can beat the crap outta you, over,... and over,... and over...

Originally posted by obi-wan13
When I was in Junior High, I was made fun of frequently, and I was a main target for the bullies. Everytime they came around, they would abuse me physically in some way. I had enough of their idiocy, so I fought back. Hard. Please tell us more! What happened? Suspended? Hospitalized?

Originally posted by obi-wan13
After that day, I have never been in a physical confrontation. The bullies left me alone. Not altogether, of course, but they never tried anything to harm me again. There's the thing - they still were there. They still bugged you. Fighting does not get rid of them completely.

Originally posted by obi-wan13
Someone said that inner strength comes from not fighting, when I know from experience that there is no such thing as inner strength. You have your wits and your arms, and thats it. There's no magical power you can use to simply sway your opponent from fighting. YOU can't "sway them away", but the school can.

Originally posted by obi-wan13
Bottom line, if he does something to you, you retaliate with all you've got.

Give 'um Hell. And they give you hell right back. :roleyess:

Originally posted by Astrotoy7
also, buy some pepper spray, easy to use, very effective That's illegal to use at school, silly!

Originally posted by jokemaster
but if the other guy throws a punch, defend yourself. There's a better way to defend yourself: TELL THE SCHOOL!!

Originally posted by Rad Blackrose
I have a question for all the people advocating peace in this thread. Have you ever, and I mean ever have had your life threatened, or suffered the abuse via others?

I have, and if you have seen the crap I have, you would realize that there is a time for words, and a time for fists to fly.

The fact is that the dregs of society (in this case the bullies of public education systems) decide to throw around their muscle and harass people has gone on long enough. Teachers and administrators rarely decide to act on hearsay, and instead wait on the fight to occur and be harsh on both parties.

At the same time, it seems self-defense is no longer a valid excuse. Even if you do know the other person threw the first punch, it doesn't matter. It's as though they expect you to take the beating.

So do you want 13 year old Johnny to die from a 6 man gangbang because he was hoping a teacher would break up a fight, and thus did not attack? Or that an administrator would see this crowd and break it up? Yeah, maybe in a perfect world it would happen.

So in essence, to your pacifistic notions, I say two words:

F*** it.

I happen to have a little policy that is known to my real life friends, "You violate my space with mal intent, and I'll beat you like a red headed stepchild."

Granted, I have training in military self-defense, bo staff, and dual sais, but even without this leverage, the policy would still apply.

It was my third week in college last semester when one night I had a drunken person on the same floor of the dorms as me start badmouthing. After trying the age old diplomatic solution, he grabbed my arm tightly. Needless to say, I choke held him and jacked him up against a wall. Just to shut him up real quick, I put a right cross to his face.

I knew the idiot would have pulled a move sooner or later, but instead decided to play the innocent victim when people filed out of their rooms. He only got the pity of two people (the two girls he was about to smoke pot with) while the rest of the people looked with eyes wide opened.

Lets take a look at the replay:

1.) Drunken idiot invaded personal space, after talking smack, with physical contact
2.) Diplomacy failed: People who think they are all high and mighty tend to need to be a wee bit stubborn, and thus need to be brought down off their high horse.

As far as do's and don'ts in fighting, remember: Anything goes. Break some bones. Feel free to nail someone in the twig and berries if the opportunity presents itself. Hell, yesterday I learned an extension off an overhead bo strike that goes right for the family jewels. Chivalry is dead, and last I checked there are very few practicioners of Bushido. Just don't kill the person, and try not to discombobulate the person. This isn't war.

And if you do decide to fight, be humble about it. Don't go off saying, "I beat soandso's ass." You garner more respect by keeping it to yourself, and not creating delusions of grandeur.

So, to recap:

1.) Try to talk it over, but don't rely on it to get you out of all situations.
2.) If you feel your personal space being invaded or threatened, have at it.
3.) Running from your problems is never, never, EVER a solution. Rad, man, we're not talking about drunken college guys. We're talking about 13 year old middle school kids!

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
MAJOR FIGHTING TIP: GO FOR NOSE AND NEVER STOP UNLESS YOU LOSE YOUR LIMBS ETC.

Also, for pain, a fast, strong whack that comes back quick (never slow) works wonders. Try not to swing as they can see it a mile away. Michael doesn't need anymore worthless fighting tips! He needs advice that will actually HELP HIM! NOT THAT WILL MAKE THE SITUATION WORSE!!

Anyone up for some actually good advice?

TheHobGoblin
02-13-2004, 08:35 PM
Look I was taking crap all my life, then when I finally got really angry couldn't hold it. (I beat the guy to the ground) NOBODY wanted to mess with me. Now the kids like my friend, so are alot of people. Though Violence ins't a way to make friends, it can show that your not going to take crap from anyone. Most you'll get form the school is a slap on the rist


PS. Good one OBI (run for the hills)

leXX
02-13-2004, 08:52 PM
Look, if someone starts any crap with you at school, you fight back, simple as that, if not you will be getting the crap beaten out of you for the rest of your life, and telling the teachers is just about the worse possible thing you can do. So what if you get detention or suspensed, or in trouble with your parents. Getting beaten up, embarrassed in front of everyone and a weak reputation at school is a lot worse.

Learn a martial art kids. Trust me.

TheHobGoblin
02-13-2004, 08:59 PM
Originally posted by leXX
Look, if someone starts any crap with you at school, you fight back, simple as that, if not you will be getting the crap beaten out of you for the rest of your life, and telling the teachers is just about the worse possible thing you can do. So what if you get detention or suspensed, or in trouble with your parents. Getting beaten up, embarrassed in front of everyone and a weak reputation at school is a lot worse.

Learn a martial art kids. Trust me. Yes take word from a mother.

jokemaster
02-13-2004, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by leXX
Look, if someone starts any crap with you at school, you fight back, simple as that, if not you will be getting the crap beaten out of you for the rest of your life, and telling the teachers is just about the worse possible thing you can do. So what if you get detention or suspensed, or in trouble with your parents. Getting beaten up, embarrassed in front of everyone and a weak reputation at school is a lot worse.

Learn a martial art kids. Trust me.
The forum mom has spoken

BTW TK-8252, Gee, I just got punched in the face, I think I'll somehow get to a teacher whilst getting the crap beaten out of me.

Rad Blackrose
02-13-2004, 09:25 PM
Originally posted by TK-8252
Yeah, then you get suspended from school and pretty much further on you're screwed.

Or how about this: DON'T FIGHT

The bully can't do much harm when he's suspended from school!

Absolutely not! If you fight him, and kick his ass, there will only be MORE reason for him to try to get revenge. THAT is how rivalries start.

There is a way: Go to the school and have him removed. Then you don't have to deal with it. OH!

And he gives it right back. Then the school gives some more.

Exact opposite. If they know that you're gonna fight back, and they can win, they'll take every chance they have to start a fight. Just so they can beat the crap outta you, over,... and over,... and over...

Please tell us more! What happened? Suspended? Hospitalized?

There's the thing - they still were there. They still bugged you. Fighting does not get rid of them completely.

YOU can't "sway them away", but the school can.

And they give you hell right back. :roleyess:

That's illegal to use at school, silly!

There's a better way to defend yourself: TELL THE SCHOOL!!

Rad, man, we're not talking about drunken college guys. We're talking about 13 year old middle school kids!

Michael doesn't need anymore worthless fighting tips! He needs advice that will actually HELP HIM! NOT THAT WILL MAKE THE SITUATION WORSE!!

Anyone up for some actually good advice?

What did I just get done saying?

Seriously, stop playing the pacifist card because it doesn't work like your mother and father tells you. No one is going to hold your hand and walk you through life. Chances are your teacher and/or administrator will tell you the same.

And as far as my story goes... drunken college guys, 13 year old middle schoolers... Not much of a difference. One of my best friend put an idiot through a plexiglass screen door in middle school because the person was stirring up crap. What's the similarity? Both were being *******s, and got what they deserved.

I'm ripping a word from George Carlin right here, right now: Your arguments are contributing to the pussification of the masses, which defies the grand order known as reality. Get out of your little fairy tale land and see the bigger picture.

You can bitch and whine about the consequences all you want until you're blue in the face, but what's better? Continual harassment because you fail to stand up for yourself and what you believe in, or getting bitched out by an administrator and sent to detention for a one time deal. Sounds like the latter is the lesser of two evils.

The fact that Administrators are blind to this crap and fail to see the evidence before an incident occurs does NOT help. That's when you take things into your own hands.

So like I said, take your fairy tale pacification and show it to those who are still wearing blinders shutting out reality.

TK-8252
02-13-2004, 10:26 PM
Originally posted by leXX
Look, if someone starts any crap with you at school, you fight back, simple as that, if not you will be getting the crap beaten out of you for the rest of your life, and telling the teachers is just about the worse possible thing you can do. So what if you get detention or suspensed, or in trouble with your parents. Getting beaten up, embarrassed in front of everyone and a weak reputation at school is a lot worse.

Learn a martial art kids. Trust me. If you get beat up at school, it's not an embarrassment. You know who's really being embarrassed? The guy who beats up the kid who is standing there taking it. It doesn't take much to beat up a kid who will not retaliate. And, no, telling a teacher or administrator what is going on is the best thing to do. It's the way that you deal with a problem, and remain within the rules. Plus, fighting does not take care of the problem. Does fighting make that person just go away forever? No, you still have to deal with that person. When you get help from the school, you're likely to be safe from that person.

Originally posted by TheHobGoblin
Yes take word from a mother.I can listen to my own mother. She has raised my older brother before me, and neither of us have ever been in a fight. And my brother went to middle and high school while my family was still living in southern California, a city outside of L.A., can't get much rougher.

Originally posted by jokemaster
BTW TK-8252, Gee, I just got punched in the face, I think I'll somehow get to a teacher whilst getting the crap beaten out of me. There's the thing - people's arms are only so long. If you stay away from the person until you can get help from the school, they can't hurt you.

Originally posted by Rad Blackrose
Seriously, stop playing the pacifist card because it doesn't work like your mother and father tells you.

Originally posted by TK-8252
I can listen to my own mother. She has raised my older brother before me, and neither of us have ever been in a fight. And my brother went to middle and high school while my family was still living in southern California, a city outside of L.A., can't get much rougher.

Originally posted by Rad Blackrose
Continual harassment because you fail to stand up for yourself and what you believe in, or getting bitched out by an administrator and sent to detention for a one time deal. Standing up for yourself - getting the school to help you. That's a far more effective defense. Because just if you stand up and kick the kid's ass, why will he go away? He'll only go away if the school takes him away. And no, getting yelled at by an administrator is not what will happen. That's what happens when you talk in class. Fighting leads to immediate suspension, no matter what the situation. Suspension goes down on your permanent record.

Agen
02-13-2004, 10:39 PM
Yeah, then you get suspended from school and pretty much further on you're screwed.
Look, who the hell cares? Another story to tell the grandchildren :rolleyes:

The bully can't do much harm when he's suspended from school!
He can when he's back!

Absolutely not! If you fight him, and kick his ass, there will only be MORE reason for him to try to get revenge. THAT is how rivalries start.
Nope, that's normal folk, most bullies move onto someone weaker :p

There is a way: Go to the school and have him removed. Then you don't have to deal with it. OH!
Yeah, all my teachers get people expelled because I said they're bad :rolleyes:

And he gives it right back. Then the school gives some more.
No, you kick his ass and he'll go screw himself somewhere else and anyway, if he repeated it, the school would come in and then get rid of the diddeh.

Exact opposite. If they know that you're gonna fight back, and they can win, they'll take every chance they have to start a fight. Just so they can beat the crap outta you, over,... and over,... and over...
Um... go take up boxing, quick and easy to learn and effective... there's also the option of getting him to fight you in public (ye know, provoking him) and then he gets in trouble if you're just a p*ss poor fighter. That's the last option though. Usually bullies move on. :p

Please tell us more! What happened? Suspended? Hospitalized?
No, probably 10x happier :)

There's the thing - they still were there. They still bugged you. Fighting does not get rid of them completely.
I'd rather have the odd snydy remark than get everyone laughing their asses off at you and being classed a wimp for your life. It's a bit worse than the odd snydy remark, eh?

YOU can't "sway them away", but the school can.
Swayed but ridiculed, great idea :rolleyes:

And they give you hell right back.
Have you ever been in a bully situation? "Oh yes, I done this and everything worked out perfect and you all believe me!"

That's illegal to use at school, silly!
The Law's not perfect. Did you know it is illegal to slurp soup in New Jersey?

There's a better way to defend yourself: TELL THE SCHOOL!!
No mental defence.

Michael doesn't need anymore worthless fighting tips! He needs advice that will actually HELP HIM! NOT THAT WILL MAKE THE SITUATION WORSE!!
MMMmmmmm, I'm sure it's more useful than telling everyone to cry at the school. From experience, kicking ass in a fight puts your rep way up - you get hardly any physical [ain and you're don't have the mick taken!
You can tell straight away that Mich aint gonna grass up, yours is far more pointless imo.

Now the kids like my friend, so are alot of people.
Heh, I've made ltos of friends through fights.

Look, if someone starts any crap with you at school, you fight back, simple as that, if not you will be getting the crap beaten out of you for the rest of your life, and telling the teachers is just about the worse possible thing you can do. So what if you get detention or suspensed, or in trouble with your parents. Getting beaten up, embarrassed in front of everyone and a weak reputation at school is a lot worse.
Spot on!

TK-8252
02-13-2004, 11:14 PM
Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
Look, who the hell cares? Another story to tell the grandchildren :rolleyes: I think that if your parents actually cared about you, they would care if you got suspended. Suspension goes down on your permanent record. I don't think that Michael wants any of that.

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
He can when he's back! It's called expullsion. They don't come back after that.

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
Yeah, all my teachers get people expelled because I said they're bad :rolleyes: You'd be suprised!

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
No, you kick his ass and he'll go screw himself somewhere else and anyway, if he repeated it, the school would come in and then get rid of the diddeh. We're talking about Michael here. How do you know that he even has the ability to fight at all? I'll tell you this - bullies know how to fight.

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
Um... go take up boxing Or you could do something productive.

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
No, probably 10x happier :) He's happy because he got suspended from school and/or got the crap beaten out of him?

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
I'd rather have the odd snydy remark than get everyone laughing their asses off at you and being classed a wimp for your life. It's a bit worse than the odd snydy remark, eh? You're not a wimp if you refuse to fight a bully. You know how you're considered a wimp? If you start a fight, and THEN chicken out.

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
Have you ever been in a bully situation? "Oh yes, I done this and everything worked out perfect and you all believe me!" Yup.

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
The Law's not perfect. Did you know it is illegal to slurp soup in New Jersey? Okay, so the police go around into restaurants and arrest people if they slurp their soup? And get a search warrant to get into someone's house for suspected slurping of soup?

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
MMMmmmmm, I'm sure it's more useful than telling everyone to cry at the school. From experience, kicking ass in a fight puts your rep way up - you get hardly any physical [ain and you're don't have the mick taken!
You can tell straight away that Mich aint gonna grass up, yours is far more pointless imo. Michael doesn't need to fight some kid to get a reputation. Michael's a good kid, I don't think that beating someone up and then being suspended would give him much satisfaction.

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
Heh, I've made ltos of friends through fights. You have some weird friends.

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
Spot on! Spot off!

jokemaster
02-13-2004, 11:42 PM
^Do you actually know Micheal personally? Cause you're talking as if you do.

Agen
02-13-2004, 11:49 PM
Originally posted by TK-8252
I think that if your parents actually cared about you, they would care if you got suspended. Suspension goes down on your permanent record. I don't think that Michael wants any of that.
Um, good people are suspended all the time. It's not unusual.

It's called expullsion. They don't come back after that. Read what I quoted, you said suspension. :rolleyes:

You'd be suprised!
I wouldn't

We're talking about Michael here. How do you know that he even has the ability to fight at all? I'll tell you this - bullies know how to fight.
He asked for tips on fighting So has anyone got any fight tips? I'm going to eat lots of fruit and get plenty of sleep, and jog
in the morning as well. >.>


Good thinking can overcome pure brawn.

Or you could do something productive.
Ok, don't take up any self defence and get the crap beaten out of you for the rest of your life.

happy because he got suspended from school and/or got the crap beaten out of him?
It only seems to be your school who does this lol.

You're not a wimp if you refuse to fight a bully. You know how you're considered a wimp? If you start a fight, and THEN chicken out.
Even if you're not you're looked on as a wimp. End of story.

Okay, so the police go around into restaurants and arrest people if they slurp their soup? And get a search warrant to get into someone's house for suspected slurping of soup?
Do the police come into 87% of people's houses to look for illegal things? Nup :p

Michael doesn't need to fight some kid to get a reputation. Michael's a good kid, I don't think that beating someone up and then being suspended would give him much satisfaction.
Who says he's getting suspended? Self defence.

You have some weird friends.
I am gonna start assuming you have none the way you are going on. :rolleyes:

Spot off!
Nup

If you get beat up at school, it's not an embarrassment. You know who's really being embarrassed? The guy who beats up the kid who is standing there taking it. It doesn't take much to beat up a kid who will not retaliate. And, no, telling a teacher or administrator what is going on is the best thing to do. It's the way that you deal with a problem, and remain within the rules. Plus, fighting does not take care of the problem. Does fighting make that person just go away forever? No, you still have to deal with that person. When you get help from the school, you're likely to be safe from that person.
There's a huge world outside school.

I can listen to my own mother. She has raised my older brother before me, and neither of us have ever been in a fight. And my brother went to middle and high school while my family was still living in southern California, a city outside of L.A., can't get much rougher.
Most people here seem to not be on your mother's side :p

There's the thing - people's arms are only so long. If you stay away from the person until you can get help from the school, they can't hurt you.
Yes they can, an older friend of mine was stabbed by someone, who went to the school at the same time he had years earlier, he grassed and got him suspended loads of times while he was in school ( about fighting among lots of other things). Great. (The guy served a mere 6 months for this!)

Fighting leads to immediate suspension, no matter what the situation. Suspension goes down on your permanent record.
Definately not in the UK. Things are sorted and we're not dumbasses, we fight after school and outside.

You can bitch and whine about the consequences all you want until you're blue in the face, but what's better? Continual harassment because you fail to stand up for yourself and what you believe in, or getting bitched out by an administrator and sent to detention for a one time deal. Sounds like the latter is the lesser of two evils.
Go you! :D

ZBomber
02-13-2004, 11:55 PM
TK - Your damn welcome for that information! :thumsup: right back at ya, big boy! :xp:

TK-8252
02-14-2004, 12:29 AM
Originally posted by jokemaster
^Do you actually know Micheal personally? Cause you're talking as if you do. I know him very well, actually. That is why I want him to make the right choice.

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
Um, good people are suspended all the time. It's not unusual. No one at my school has got suspended unfairly.

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
Read what I quoted, you said suspension. :rolleyes: What's your point?

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
I wouldn't Yes you would.

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
He asked for tips on fighting Well we can give him better advice than that.

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
Ok, don't take up any self defence and get the crap beaten out of you for the rest of your life. OR you could do the right thing, and seek help from the people who are MEANT to defend you. And later in life, 9-11 can be your best friend.

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
It only seems to be your school who does this lol. Read the thread again, you have missed a lot.

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
Even if you're not you're looked on as a wimp. End of story. Well the story is getting longer.

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
Who says he's getting suspended? Self defence. What are the chances that the administrators are going to take the time to investigate the fight and see who attacked who? They don't do that, if you're fighting, you're breaking school policy. Self-defense or not.

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
I am gonna start assuming you have none the way you are going on. :rolleyes: Don't assume things which you have no knowledge of. I have 38 friends on MSN alone, this is only a small portion of my friends.

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
Most people here seem to not be on your mother's side :p Read the thread again, you have missed a lot.

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
Yes they can, an older friend of mine was stabbed by someone, who went to the school at the same time he had years earlier, he grassed and got him suspended loads of times while he was in school ( about fighting among lots of other things). Great. (The guy served a mere 6 months for this!) Stabbed at school? We're talking about petty bullies here, not soon-to-be murderers.

Originally posted by ZBomber
TK - Your damn welcome for that information! :thumsup: right back at ya, big boy! :xp: :explode:

Agen
02-14-2004, 12:54 AM
I know him very well, actually. That is why I want him to make the right choice.
He can fight his own battles I'm sure.

No one at my school has got suspended unfairly.

"What are the chances that the administrators are going to take the time to investigate the fight and see who attacked who? They don't do that, if you're fighting, you're breaking school policy. Self-defense or not."
Oooh, contradictions.

What's your point?
We were talking about suspension and then you blurted out expulsion.

Yes you would.
:rolleyes:

Well we can give him better advice than that.
You think you can. He has to get this over with. Anyone can become a good fighter and solve certain troubles that way. He's tried everything else and telling teachers doesn't work... he said it :p

OR you could do the right thing, and seek help from the people who are MEANT to defend you. And later in life, 9-11 can be your best friend.
Although they won't according to Mike.
911 or 999 aren't psychic, if you're attacked - you're attacked and can't defend. Bit daft imo.

Read the thread again, you have missed a lot.
Re-read, nothing missed. Quote it. :rolleyes:

Well the story is getting longer.
Factual-getting-longer-story.

Don't assume things which you have no knowledge of. I have 38 friends on MSN alone, this is only a small portion of my friends.
This is incredibly petty but I have waaaaaaay over 500 MSN contacts not to mention over 100 icq contacts.
About 70+ are my real life buds. I know about the 300 limit, I have Trillian Pro .

Stabbed at school? We're talking about petty bullies here, not soon-to-be murderers.
No, the boy was a bully at school but my friend got him suspended many times. They're older and out of school, friend got stabbed. That's simpler for ya. :p

leXX
02-14-2004, 12:54 AM
Originally posted by TK-8252
If you get beat up at school, it's not an embarrassment.

Yes, it is, it always will be and always has been.

You know who's really being embarrassed? The guy who beats up the kid who is standing there taking it. It doesn't take much to beat up a kid who will not retaliate.

He's not being embarrassed. He's looking hard in front of everyone, giving himself a reputation not to be messed with.

And, no, telling a teacher or administrator what is going on is the best thing to do. It's the way that you deal with a problem, and remain within the rules.

No, that's how people get labled a grass and who likes a grass? Noone.

Plus, fighting does not take care of the problem. Does fighting make that person just go away forever? No, you still have to deal with that person.

Yes, it does make them go away. Give them a good beating and they won't be so quick to mess with you again.

When you get help from the school, you're likely to be safe from that person.

What will the school do, slap his wrists and tell him not to be a naughty boy and a bully? It doesn't work like that, wake up. After his little telling off, he will just keep doing it again and again and again. He will remain a bully until someone teaches him a lesson.

Look, I don't condone fighting, but I sure as hell condone self defense. I never started fights at school but if someone started on me, I finished it. I am teaching my kids the same attitude aswell.

Running from a fight is weak.

You show weakness at school and people are more than willing to take advantage of it and make your life hell.

Elijah
02-14-2004, 01:05 AM
Go straight for the JAW, get him to the ground, and dont stop hammering.

If hes bigger then you, and theres more then 1, kick him in the nuts, screw honor, you fight to win.

TK-8252
02-14-2004, 01:56 AM
Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
He can fight his own battles I'm sure. Then why did he create this thread? For help.

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
Oooh, contradictions. You fight, you're guilty. That was my point.

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
We were talking about suspension and then you blurted out expulsion. So... what's your point?

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
:rolleyes: Come on, use some verbs, and nouns...

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
You think you can. He has to get this over with. Anyone can become a good fighter and solve certain troubles that way. He's tried everything else and telling teachers doesn't work... he said it :p Fighting doesn't solve your troubles. That's like saying smoking weed solves your problems. I really don't think that if Michael and his parents raised hell with the school that they'd just ignore it.

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
Although they won't according to Mike. Oh they will, even if it takes his parents to call the school.

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
Re-read, nothing missed. Quote it. :rolleyes: I have better things to do. Read it again.

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
This is incredibly petty but I have waaaaaaay over 500 MSN contacts not to mention over 100 icq contacts.
About 70+ are my real life buds. I know about the 300 limit, I have Trillian Pro . http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/positive4.jpg

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
No, the boy was a bully at school but my friend got him suspended many times. They're older and out of school, friend got stabbed. That's simpler for ya. :p Yes, I'm so confused, please help me...

Originally posted by leXX
Yes, it is, it always will be and always has been. I hope you read farther than that first sentence. It's really not much of an embarassment if you're walking down a hallway and all of a sudden some kid knocks you out with a fist blow. I mean... you didn't call that kid out and then chicken out.

Originally posted by leXX
He's not being embarrassed. He's looking hard in front of everyone, giving himself a reputation not to be messed with. Michael did not mess with him! The bully just picks some random kid and beats him up? Not a good reputation.

Originally posted by leXX
No, that's how people get labled a grass and who likes a grass? Noone. The school does, because they're taking care of their problems correctly, rather than resorting to breaking school policy.

Originally posted by leXX
Yes, it does make them go away. Give them a good beating and they won't be so quick to mess with you again. Not from what I've seen. Beating a bully up only makes them want to get even.

Originally posted by leXX
What will the school do, slap his wrists and tell him not to be a naughty boy and a bully? It doesn't work like that, wake up. After his little telling off, he will just keep doing it again and again and again. He will remain a bully until someone teaches him a lesson. No, they can expell the bully, and he doesn't come back.

Originally posted by leXX
I am teaching my kids the same attitude aswell. Don't be suprised when you get a phone call in the middle of the day, the principal informing you that your child has been suspended.

Originally posted by leXX
Running from a fight is weak No, it's the smart thing to do. People who fight are going by their caveman instincts. They don't know the proper way to react.

Originally posted by leXX
You show weakness at school and people are more than willing to take advantage of it and make your life hell. Refusing to fight a bully is not weakness. It's showing that you're not stupid. And if more people bully you, nothing stopping you from telling the school again!

Originally posted by ZDawg
Go straight for the JAW, get him to the ground, and dont stop hammering.

If hes bigger then you, and theres more then 1, kick him in the nuts, screw honor, you fight to win. Or try this: DON'T FIGHT. DON'T BE STUPID.

jokemaster
02-14-2004, 02:17 AM
^Why do I think you're one of those persons who always follow the rules, no matter if you don't agree with them, or if they're just plain wrong.

TK-8252
02-14-2004, 02:53 AM
Originally posted by jokemaster
^Why do I think you're one of those persons who always follow the rules, no matter if you don't agree with them, or if they're just plain wrong. Because I am. Rules are set for a reason. I, proudly say, that in my entire school career, I have never been disciplined for behavior reasons. The only time I ever got a detention was for forgetting to get my report card signed.

jokemaster
02-14-2004, 03:24 AM
and that's why you don't understand what teachers do in certain situations when rules are broken. here endeth the lesson. :p

obi
02-14-2004, 03:33 AM
You want to know more about my fighting story, eh TK? Very well, pull up a chair, and Grandpa Obi will tell you. Almost exact detail, the best I can remember it.

I was walking to the math portable, and the same people that did the same crap every day pushed my books into the mud. It had been raining, you see. Anyway...

I said "Stop it, you do this everyday. It's starting to piss me off."

"Oh I'm scared!" The bully said, as his toadies laughed, and then he pushed me, asking me what I was going to do about it.

It was that time I punched him right in the face. It was the best feeling I have ever had. The guy held his hand up to his face, and stared at me, scared to death. Well, that little wuss told the principal on me. I went to his office to explain the story.

Suspension? No. Hospitalization? Not even close.

The principal knew I was the victim in this case, and didn't punish me at all. Those very smart people who created all of these instances were given lengthy amounts of suspension. The principal even told me "Off the record, Good job."

From that point on, I took crap from nobody.

Not all fights lead to suspension. Not all lead to immidiate hospitalization and WW III. Not everything revolves around one person or their actions. Look out for yourself, damnit. Don't be someone's punching bag.

I still say give 'um Hell if they ask for it. It'll do you a lot better in the long run, and you'll feel better for standing up for yourself.

TK-8252
02-14-2004, 03:45 AM
You forgot one thing, you crazy old coot. What grade was this?! That makes a big difference.

Originally posted by jokemaster
and that's why you don't understand what teachers do in certain situations when rules are broken. here endeth the lesson. :p And you do? Administrating the JK3Files gaming server (see my sig) gives me a sense of responsibility and rule enforcement. Now, this may not be the best example, but hear me out:

Yadda, yadda, we don't allow laming. Now, some people choose to lame back when they are lamed. We don't allow that! This is about the same as people fighting back when they are bullied. But instead of that, it makes my job as an administrator much easier when people report lamers via /amsay and let themselves get killed. When people lame lamers, BOTH people are kicked. No matter how noble it may seem.

obi
02-14-2004, 03:48 AM
Oh, this was years ago. Way back in the eigth grade. I believe it was the eigth, but I could be wrong. It was middle school era though.

Some of those toadies are actually friends of mine now, heh. The bully, I have no clue where he went to.

ET Warrior
02-14-2004, 04:11 AM
Yeah...that's the thing to do, have mommy and daddy call the school and tell them about the big bad bullies that are pickin on their sweetum...awwwwww.

First of all, word'll get around that your parents had to fight your battle for you. That right there sets the tone for the REST OF HIS SCHOOL LIFE. Kids are MEAN, they will use ANYTHING you give them to make your life hell. Sure, one bully has been temporarily averted by calling the school, but you just became the prime target of 10 other bullies.

And what happens in college? Mommy and Daddy aren't there. The campus police have a lot more important things to do than deal with some guy who wants to start crap with you.

I've been in one fight in my life. I was in KINDERGARTEN. I was getting picked on every day by a group of three kids. Everyday at recess they'd tease me, chase me, push me over. I talked to the teacher, she yelled at them, but nothing changed. So my parents told me to stand up for myself.

Next day, they came up to me, and I charged the bully and knocked him to the ground, and I sat on his chest and hit him right in the face. I had to stand next to the wall during recess as punishment, and I've NEVER had another fight or even almost fight in my life, and those kids NEVER picked on me ever again. You've never broken the rules or been in a fight, so you dont know ANYTHING about how people react to it. You know nothing about how bullies respond to a fight, so your arguments have no basis.

I think that if your parents actually cared about you, they would care if you got suspended. Suspension goes down on your permanent record. I don't think that Michael wants any of that.

I think if your parents care about you they'll want you to stand up for yourself and don't make other people fight your battles for you. And, please, come on. Your permanent record..oooooo. I can see it now, 10 years down the road Mike's at a job interview. "well sir, your application is very impressive, and you'd be perfect for the job, but, we called your middle school and it appears you got suspended once for fighting. We can't have that kind of scandal associated with our company, so you don't get the job."

TK-8252
02-14-2004, 04:40 AM
Yeah, uh... my parents actually took the time to raise me RIGHT.

And some of my friends at school were severly bullied. I can tell from observation what can happen. I was a victim of minor bullying, but had I retaliated, I'd have really made a bad choice. Instead, I just shrug it off. I know that their life is really screwed up, it must really suck to be them.

ET Warrior
02-14-2004, 04:46 AM
Originally posted by TK-8252
Yeah, uh... my parents actually took the time to raise me RIGHT.

How about you go tell my parents how badly they screwed up on their son. It's not like he's a college student who graduated with a 3.996 GPA with a strong work ethic, doesn't drink, smoke, or do drugs. But yeah. They totally messed up raising me. Because I know how to look after myself and don't need other people to save me from all of lifes problems.

Crow_Nest
02-14-2004, 05:07 AM
Stay out of sight from him, when you see him coming quickly run away. :p

Or just fight back...

TK-8252
02-14-2004, 05:24 AM
Originally posted by ET Warrior
How about you go tell my parents how badly they screwed up on their son. It's not like he's a college student who graduated with a 3.996 GPA with a strong work ethic, doesn't drink, smoke, or do drugs. But yeah. They totally messed up raising me. Because I know how to look after myself and don't need other people to save me from all of lifes problems. Well you have failed to learn one thing - fighting does not solve life's problems.

ET Warrior
02-14-2004, 05:32 AM
Originally posted by TK-8252
Well you have failed to learn one thing - fighting does not solve life's problems.

Hmmm, I fought once, stopped getting picked on, never got picked on again, went through school, didn't get rejected from college because of my fight in kindergarten...I'm not really sure how standing up for myself didn't solve my problem.

I'm not sure if you understand, we aren't telling him to walk around looking to beat the crap out of anyone who looks at him wrong. THAT won't solve anything. But standing up for yourself and not acting like a six year old girl when things start looking bad WILL solve things.

TK-8252
02-14-2004, 05:38 AM
Originally posted by ET Warrior
I had to stand next to the wall during recess as punishment Try solving problems WITHOUT getting punished doing so. If you got in trouble for taking care of a problem "your way", maybe that means it's not the proper way to deal with the situation.

ET Warrior
02-14-2004, 05:47 AM
Are you KIDDING?

I was 5 years old, I had to stand next to the wall for 30 minutes. HOLY CRAP. Life altering event right there let me tell all of you. It didn't matter by a week later. All that mattered was I'd earned enough respect for those guys to stop bullying me.

If I'd done it in high school and gotten suspended, it wouldn't matter by now. Nobody would care. If the subject ever came up, it would go something like this "So'd you ever get in a fight in high school?" "Yeah, this one guy kept gettin in my face and bein a real jerk, so I knocked him down and hit the piss out of him" "Way to stand up for yourself"

I REALLY hope you never have to deal with the Real world TK-4463545, because I dont know what you're going to do.

edit---and, just because i'm curious, let's say they pass a law requiring you to wear shorts at all times, no matter the weather. And it's really cold and snowing out. Are you going to wear shorts? Or are you going to be smart and wear some pants so you don't get frostbite?

TK-8252
02-14-2004, 06:12 AM
Originally posted by ET Warrior
Are you KIDDING? No.

Originally posted by ET Warrior
I was 5 years old, I had to stand next to the wall for 30 minutes. HOLY CRAP. Life altering event right there let me tell all of you. It didn't matter by a week later. All that mattered was I'd earned enough respect for those guys to stop bullying me. Just because you beat up one little twirp you go around telling people to break the rules, beat people up, continue the tradition of caveman violence!

Originally posted by ET Warrior
"Way to stand up for yourself" "Way to get yourself suspended." "Way to get yourself grounded for a month." "Way to continue immature violence."

Do two wrongs make a right?

Originally posted by ET Warrior
I REALLY hope you never have to deal with the Real world TK-4463545, because I dont know what you're going to do. Are you having trouble counting? And BTW, school IS the real world. I'm in the real world right now, and I'm doing fine.

Originally posted by ET Warrior
edit---and, just because i'm curious, let's say they pass a law requiring you to wear shorts at all times, no matter the weather. And it's really cold and snowing out. Are you going to wear shorts? Or are you going to be smart and wear some pants so you don't get frostbite? You can always move.

ET Warrior
02-14-2004, 06:45 AM
Originally posted by TK-8252
And BTW, school IS the real world. I'm in the real world right now, and I'm doing fine.

No. It isn't. School is the sheltered world where the adults all look out for you and you can pretend that what happens outside doesn't really affect you. College isn't even the real world, though it's a lot closer to it. Don't be naive.



Fine, you can move. How about if a law is passed worldwide requiring you to smoke a pack of cigarettes a day in order to stimulate the economy. You gonna take up smoking and give yourself emphysema?

TK-8252
02-14-2004, 07:29 AM
Originally posted by ET Warrior
No. It isn't. School is the sheltered world where the adults all look out for you and you can pretend that what happens outside doesn't really affect you. College isn't even the real world, though it's a lot closer to it. Don't be naive. Education is a very important part of a person's life. If you do not get a good education you can't do much when you get into the so-called "real world". Right now, my real world is school. There are many different ways you can look at something.

Originally posted by ET Warrior
Fine, you can move. How about if a law is passed worldwide requiring you to smoke a pack of cigarettes a day in order to stimulate the economy. You gonna take up smoking and give yourself emphysema? How do you suggest that you get every single nation on this earth to be in agreement with a law? There are limits to "what if" questions.

Kain
02-14-2004, 07:59 AM
It comes to down to the school one would assume. In my old school, if you didn't fight, you got beaten more and more and more, simple as that. If you put the guy down, and you had enough sense to end it, you never said anything to each other again. Of course, my school is ghet-to, flat out. Your lucky if you get a one-on-one at that damned school. My last fight was my last fight, flat out. Why? Because I made enough of an impression to make people think I was homicidal if was pushed enough. How? Dirty fighting, like I was tellin Micheal(except the banjo, that was just for humor). Thats all you gotta do(one would think its universal). Slam heads into lockers, throw spines against corners, throw chairs, slam face first into the floor, slam face into the protruding lock part of the locker, and when hes barely fighting anymore, duck his punch and put him in some kind of hold until someone gets there(very hard at my school, given the crowds that fighting creates). Never worry about it again.

Alegis
02-14-2004, 08:00 AM
I imagine this forum fight to be greater than michealmeexp's real life fight

leXX
02-14-2004, 10:29 AM
Originally posted by TK-8252
I hope you read farther than that first sentence. It's really not much of an embarassment if you're walking down a hallway and all of a sudden some kid knocks you out with a fist blow. I mean... you didn't call that kid out and then chicken out.

It's not an embarassment to get hit in the face and not fight back? Somehow, I think it is.

Michael did not mess with him! The bully just picks some random kid and beats him up? Not a good reputation.

This bully just beats up random kids why? Because noone has ever taught him a lesson or stood up to him. He doesn't give a crap if he gets into trouble with the school or his parents. He needs a taste of his own medicine. That way he'll think again before picking on someone.

The school does, because they're taking care of their problems correctly, rather than resorting to breaking school policy.

So after you've told the teachers and they have told the boy off, suspended him or even expelled him, what do you think his next move will be? He will just keep beating you up, inside or outside of school.

Not from what I've seen. Beating a bully up only makes them want to get even.

No, in the majority of cases it will put a stop to it and the bully will either think twice or pick on someone else.

No, they can expell the bully, and he doesn't come back.

He will be waiting for you after school. Watch your back.

Don't be suprised when you get a phone call in the middle of the day, the principal informing you that your child has been suspended.

Why would she get suspended for defending herself? It's perfectly within her rights and within the rules of the school.


No, it's the smart thing to do. People who fight are going by their caveman instincts. They don't know the proper way to react.

The proper and normal way to react is to defend yourself. You cannot rely on everyone else to fight your battles for you.

Refusing to fight a bully is not weakness. It's showing that you're not stupid. And if more people bully you, nothing stopping you from telling the school again!

Get beaten up, tell the school, get beaten up, tell the school, rinse and repeat. Such a nice way to live your life, being a punching bag for every bully in school.

Yeah, uh... my parents actually took the time to raise me RIGHT.

Don't you dare tell anyone that their parents bought up their kids wrong by telling them to defend themselves. There is no law against self defense.

|GG|Carl
02-14-2004, 10:44 AM
I'd do this:

1. Try to ignore him/them.

2. Start taking kung-fu lessons.

3. Punch him you-know-where when he doesn't expect it, and run!

Astrotoy7
02-14-2004, 11:03 AM
Originally posted by Rad Blackrose
...I have, and if you have seen the crap I have, you would realize that there is a time for words, and a time for fists to fly.


....for a minute there I though I was trapped in a vortex of a JA MP flamebaiting thread...... hello Rad, nice to see you in the swamp... :)

...6 man gangbang.... I dont like the sounds of that, and youre probably scaring little Mike..... :p


MTFBWYA

Mex
02-14-2004, 11:39 AM
Hmm, no fight has happened yet and it's half term so no worrying about it for a week.

So far I've made up some tactics for when he next tries to bug me.

~ Try to punch him straight in the nose.
~ Try to get him onto the floor.
~ Try to keep him on the floor, so he can't retailiate.[sp? O.o]
~ Then erm, walk off....

So is that correct?

Fighting doesn't solve your troubles. That's like saying smoking weed solves your problems. I really don't think that if Michael and his parents raised hell with the school that they'd just ignore it.

My school does ignore it. I've made tons of phone calls trying to speak to the school about problems. The next day they act like I never spoke to them.

jokemaster
02-14-2004, 01:01 PM
They had school when you were young granpa obi?:p

TK: First: Defending yourself isn't resorting to caveman instincts, it's relying on your preservation instincts. Second: Oh, so my parents compleetely ignored me because they told me not to take **** all my life? Third: you know, when you get out of school, you're really gonna suffer.

Reborn Outcast
02-14-2004, 03:05 PM
Actually I can see where TK is coming from BUT there are a few things I disagree about...


I have been bullied on occasion. Not much, but a few times. I just shrug it and walk off, and they don't care and it hasn't happened in about a year. Now, I know that that may be not normal it terms of bullying, but, IF HE THROWS THE FIRST PUNCH THE LAW IS ON YOUR SIDE. It's called self-defense. So, don't throw the first punch, because from the way your school is acting when you call them, they won't care if he's been bullying you for a long time so that's why you hit him first. It'll be suspension/expulsion. But, if he throws the first one, the law is on your side to defend yourself. If you can, let him throw it and try to dodge it or at least me a little... Even if he misses you completely because you dodged, hitting him back is still self-defense.

So TK, you're telling him to just let himself be their human punching bag if they corner him somewhere?

ET Warrior
02-14-2004, 03:43 PM
Mike, DON'T listen to the people who tell you to let him throw the first punch. SCREW getting in trouble, one punch isn't going to get you expelled unless you're going to some strict private catholic school (and probably not even then)

YOU throw the first punch. End that fight before it starts, if he comes up and pushes you throw a quick jab into his nose. Then when he pulls back in surprise throw another jab into his solar plexus (area right below the ribs) This'll probably bend him over, and if you want to finish it grab the back of his head, pull down as your knee comes up right into his face. Then odds are you can just push him over and walk away.

How do you suggest that you get every single nation on this earth to be in agreement with a law? There are limits to "what if" questions.

Fine, it's an American law, but you don't have enough money for a ticket out of the US, nor do you have a car. What're you gonna do?

Education is a very important part of a person's life. If you do not get a good education you can't do much when you get into the so-called "real world". Right now, my real world is school. There are many different ways you can look at something.

I didn't say I worry for when you get into YOUR real world. I said i'm worried about what happens when you have to deal with THE real world. You know, the one where you DONT have people looking out for you and mommy and daddy aren't there, and the police aren't really going to give a damn if you call them and say some guys been pushing you around and might beat you up.

TK-8252
02-14-2004, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by leXX
It's not an embarassment to get hit in the face and not fight back? Somehow, I think it is. Most of the time when people fight at my school, they're embarassing themselves more than if they'd just left it alone. Middle school fights look and are pathetic.

Originally posted by leXX
This bully just beats up random kids why? Because noone has ever taught him a lesson or stood up to him. He doesn't give a crap if he gets into trouble with the school or his parents. He needs a taste of his own medicine. That way he'll think again before picking on someone. If someone just beats up random kids, he doesn't belong in school. Beating him up will only make him angry. See, most of the time, bullies don't know what exactly their goal is. They don't know when to stop.

Originally posted by leXX
So after you've told the teachers and they have told the boy off, suspended him or even expelled him, what do you think his next move will be? He will just keep beating you up, inside or outside of school. How is he going to beat you up inside school? He's long gone. And why would you make plans to meet up with the bully outside of school so that he can beat you up? Unless he lives in your neighboorhood or something, he can't really hunt you down.

Originally posted by leXX
No, in the majority of cases it will put a stop to it and the bully will either think twice or pick on someone else. Not from what I've seen.

Originally posted by leXX
He will be waiting for you after school. Watch your back. Then don't meet him.

Originally posted by leXX
Why would she get suspended for defending herself? It's perfectly within her rights and within the rules of the school. People have been suspended from my school for self-defense. Administrators will not take the time to find out who threw the first punch.

Originally posted by leXX
The proper and normal way to react is to defend yourself. You cannot rely on everyone else to fight your battles for you. No, because fighting isn't allowed. Self-defense is accepting the fight and joining in.

Originally posted by leXX
Get beaten up, tell the school, get beaten up, tell the school, rinse and repeat. Such a nice way to live your life, being a punching bag for every bully in school. Every bully, after seeing that every bully before them was suspended and/or expelled is going to beat you up, despite them knowing their future?

Originally posted by leXX
Don't you dare tell anyone that their parents bought up their kids wrong by telling them to defend themselves. There is no law against self defense. Then why was someone from my school suspended for self-defense? My parents tell me to follow school rules, it's nice having a clean record. And I've never been in a fight. That has to tell you something about how my procedure works.

Originally posted by Michaelmexp
My school does ignore it. I've made tons of phone calls trying to speak to the school about problems. The next day they act like I never spoke to them. Then have your parents set up a meeting with the principal. If they still don't listen you could practically press charges.

Originally posted by Reborn Outcast
IF HE THROWS THE FIRST PUNCH THE LAW IS ON YOUR SIDE. It's called self-defense. So, don't throw the first punch, because from the way your school is acting when you call them, they won't care if he's been bullying you for a long time so that's why you hit him first. It'll be suspension/expulsion. But, if he throws the first one, the law is on your side to defend yourself. If you can, let him throw it and try to dodge it or at least me a little... Even if he misses you completely because you dodged, hitting him back is still self-defense.

So TK, you're telling him to just let himself be their human punching bag if they corner him somewhere? No, the rules of the school clearly state No fighting. What is self-defense? Accepting the bully's invitation to a fight. I've seen so many kids suspended for self-defense. They thought they were being noble standing up to a bully, instead they got themselves suspended for a stupid mistake. And you can't be their "human punching bag" if you don't let yourself be one. First, don't let the bully(s) find you. Second, if they do find you, you don't let them trap you. Last, if you are trapped, push them away and run! Pushing is not fighting.

Originally posted by ET Warrior
SCREW getting in trouble Michael doesn't want to be in trouble, I don't think. He's a good kid.

Originally posted by ET Warrior
Fine, it's an American law, but you don't have enough money for a ticket out of the US, nor do you have a car. What're you gonna do? Most likely there will be thousands, if not millions of protestors in the country. The law wouldn't last long.

Originally posted by ET Warrior
You know, the one where you DONT have people looking out for you and mommy and daddy aren't there, and the police aren't really going to give a damn if you call them and say some guys been pushing you around and might beat you up. Who the hell is going to beat you up after you finish school?!

El Sitherino
02-14-2004, 07:02 PM
don't let them find you? so what I'm just supposed to not go to school? I wouldn't want to be on the run the whole time at school, I'd prefer to punch the ******* right in the face so he'd leave me alone. And self-defense is not accepting a fight, it's called ending the fight. You're school is extremely foolish to not investigate fights when that is part of nation wide procedure, therefore they are breaking the law. Schools are supposed to investigate all fights and find out who threw the first punch and why it occured.

topshot
02-14-2004, 07:13 PM
I don't see a bunch of mature people posting here. I only see babies whining about 1 kid's problems. Let him handle his own problems the way he wants to, not how you want. He asked for advice on how to get out of the situation, not to continue it.

And self-defense is not accepting a fight, it's called ending the fight.

You're a fool if you think that's what its called. TK's right and you're wrong. Accept it.

Now stop this arguing before I take the law into my own hands, with or without a mods' consent.

Reborn Outcast
02-14-2004, 07:48 PM
Well just one last thing. When you're 30 years old and you get the **** beaten out of you by another guy in a bar fight or something, sure, don't fight back, let him get suspended... oh wait... no ones going to care that you got the **** beaten out of you at 30 because you didn't want to fight back. Unless you tell the cops, and at the most he'll serve a week or two of community service for disorderly conduct. :rolleyes:

topshot
02-14-2004, 07:55 PM
That's the information I'll need when I'm older (and much more wiser than I am right now) in 18 years, thank you very much. :cool:

TK-8252
02-14-2004, 08:27 PM
Bar fights? Please.

Let me add something... self-defense does not end a fight, IT CONTINUES IT! So called "self-defense" is returning evil for evil. Two wrongs DO NOT make a right.

Two wrongs DO NOT make a right.

jokemaster
02-14-2004, 08:58 PM
OK, so defending yourself is wrong? avoiding injury is wrong? Maybe you've never been in a situation where it's either get beaten up or fight, but I have. And let me tell you the first choice isn't gonna end well for you.

ET Warrior
02-14-2004, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by topshot
You're a fool if you think that's what its called. TK's right and you're wrong. Accept it.

No. You're young and naive and don't understand how things work in the REAL world. You can come back and tell me who's right when you're older.

Who the hell is going to beat you up after you finish school?!

Drunk people. And don't say don't be around drunk people, no matter where you go you're gonna find them, and sometimes drunks are violent. And you can't reason with a drunk, and you can't do anything BUT defend yourself when they start swinging.

Then don't meet him.

It's not a matter of don't meet him. It's a matter of he's waiting to FOLLOW YOU HOME after school, and then he jumps you beats the tar out of you when you aren't suspecting. Woooo for you! You took the high road and now you're battered and bruised and he wins, because he really doesn't care that he got expelled.

And by the by, Topshot, everyone in this thread has abstained from resorting to name calling, so how about you try to be a little mature about it. And you coudl try using actual points instead of just saying.."No. you're wrong and we're right and you're stupid even though you've got way more life experience than me":rolleyes:

Jared
02-14-2004, 10:58 PM
Originally posted by TK-8252
Bar fights? Please.

Let me add something... self-defense does not end a fight, IT CONTINUES IT! So called "self-defense" is returning evil for evil. Two wrongs DO NOT make a right.

Two wrongs DO NOT make a right.


things are not always as black and white as children see them.

I have gotten into my share of fights throughout jr.high and high school....and you know what I learned?

the bully thing...they pick on you because they can.
punch them in the face and that's gonna make them think a little differently.
The worst mistake you could make was to tell your parents, or the principal, or the teachers because , then, hey, now everyone in school knows how much of a idiot you are.

You have to fight your own battles.
it is not worth going to school every day and wishing you were dead...I knew the feeling.
A fight is not always the way, however its always worked for me.
no one has ever messed with me twice.
I've been in many a fight for no good reason other than someone said something about a friend, ....but I don't regret that either.
bullys are losers.
they are picking on you cause they see themselves in you.
so prove them wrong.

and to be honest I could care less for all the moral crap..hey, call the cops! wait for him to throw the first punch! or..."its assault!!"......or...maybe the principal will stop him...or.......well.... answer me this.

...who is gonna be there when your "mommy" is not there to save you? You gonna run? because its not right to fight?
I hope that works out for you.

and 2 wrongs do not make a right.
but I dont think that has anything to do with anything right now.


...no one is perfect.
given certain situations....a fight is the only way to solve your problem. If you want to be moral...then live with it.
but what happens when you pop?
the victims of bullies always pop eventually.
all that hate bottled up does no one any good.
may as well deal with it now....right?

problems have solutions.

that is my solution.

IG-64
02-14-2004, 11:26 PM
No one get mad at me for helping out, that's what I like to do, help people out, I don't question if they really need help in a certain way (unless you ask for pot or something)

I simply was responding to what Michael posted.

OT, Jared, how do you always remember to post in italics? And Astro always says MYFBWYA, how in the heak do you always remember?

topshot
02-14-2004, 11:30 PM
Originally posted by ET Warrior:
And by the by, Topshot, everyone in this thread has abstained from resorting to name calling, so how about you try to be a little mature about it. And you coudl try using actual points instead of just saying.."No. you're wrong and we're right and you're stupid even though you've got way more life experience than me":rolleyes: [/B]

That's what happens when people piss me off........

ET Warrior
02-14-2004, 11:40 PM
Originally posted by topshot
That's what happens when people piss me off........

Dont get mad, getting mad at somebody never solved anything. It's just like fighting, it's barbaric and wrong.

topshot
02-14-2004, 11:56 PM
Originally posted by ET Warrior
Dont get mad, getting mad at somebody never solved anything. It's just like fighting, it's barbaric and wrong.

Those are truly words of wisdom, my friend. :D

ET Warrior
02-15-2004, 12:41 AM
whoops, sorry, forgot to put that in my [sarcasm] tags :p

topshot
02-15-2004, 01:32 AM
What?!? :mad: :p

obi
02-15-2004, 02:16 AM
Take the law into your own hands with or without a mod's consent ?


Your honor, I present to you exhibit W, T, and F.

TK-8252
02-15-2004, 02:44 AM
Originally posted by jokemaster
OK, so defending yourself is wrong? avoiding injury is wrong? Maybe you've never been in a situation where it's either get beaten up or fight, but I have. And let me tell you the first choice isn't gonna end well for you. Fighting is wrong. No matter if you start it or not.

Originally posted by ET Warrior
Drunk people. And don't say don't be around drunk people, no matter where you go you're gonna find them, and sometimes drunks are violent. And you can't reason with a drunk, and you can't do anything BUT defend yourself when they start swinging. Don't be around drunk people.

Originally posted by ET Warrior
It's not a matter of don't meet him. It's a matter of he's waiting to FOLLOW YOU HOME after school, and then he jumps you beats the tar out of you when you aren't suspecting. Woooo for you! You took the high road and now you're battered and bruised and he wins, because he really doesn't care that he got expelled. Easy, Michael can get his parents to pick him up at school. Or, if the school has buses, he could take the bus. There's no real way to fight on a bus.

Originally posted by Jared
...who is gonna be there when your "mommy" is not there to save you? You gonna run? because its not right to fight?
I hope that works out for you. Easy - you don't get into situations like that. And what's wrong with getting your "mommy" to help you anyway? Your parents are there for a reason. To guide you through life, and support you. If it weren't for your parents, you wouldn't be alive.

Originally posted by Jared
and 2 wrongs do not make a right.
but I dont think that has anything to do with anything right now. Beating someone up is wrong. Two wrongs DO NOT make a right.

Originally posted by Jared
a fight is the only way to solve your problem. How does fighting solve your problems? That's like saying smoking weed will solve your problems. It doesn't solve your problems, it only puts them off. And both of those things are illegal.

Chairwalker
02-15-2004, 02:51 AM
Fighting is like playing games, or pretty much everything else in life:
It serves no real purpose, but it's lots of fun when you're winning.

There's my 2 cents.

ET Warrior
02-15-2004, 04:55 AM
Isn't it funny how we keep hearing that fighting doesn't solve anything, and yet for all of us here who've had to fight...it DID solve our problems.

Don't be around drunk people.
Yeah! Lets just lock ourselves in our houses and never leave, except to goto work and come straight home, because that's going to be LOTS of fun and life will be way cool like that. We'll never goto a sporting event or a bar or even just stand outside!

Lightsaberboy
02-15-2004, 05:58 AM
Originally posted by ET Warrior


Drunk people. And don't say don't be around drunk people, no matter where you go you're gonna find them, and sometimes drunks are violent.




i'll can agree to that. one time one of my friends, a particularily big fellow, got all mad for no reason when he was drunk, and starting going crazy and hitting things. it took 7 guys to bring him down so that he'd stop going psycho. lol..

Fighting is wrong. No matter if you start it or not.


ok, then Tk, answer me this. Let's say that in 10 years or so if you get a girlfriend, that you two are walking down the street late at night and a couple of people jump you guys. cops are nowhere nearby so they can do whatever they want. they take your money, beat you a bit, and start to rape your girlfriend. what are you gonna do, just stand there and not fight because "fighting is wrong?" you gonna run away to find help while leaving your girlfriend alone with the muggers?

girlfriend: save me tk! help me!
tk: i'd like to, but i can't, because i believe fighting is wrong!
girlfriend: but they're attacking me!
tk: two wrongs do not make a right! but wait, i'll go get help!

TK-8252
02-15-2004, 06:22 AM
Originally posted by Lightsaberboy
ok, then Tk, answer me this. Let's say that in 10 years or so if you get a girlfriend, that you two are walking down the street late at night and a couple of people jump you guys. cops are nowhere nearby so they can do whatever they want. they take your money, beat you a bit, and start to rape your girlfriend. what are you gonna do, just stand there and not fight because "fighting is wrong?" you gonna run away to find help while leaving your girlfriend alone with the muggers?

girlfriend: save me tk! help me!
tk: i'd like to, but i can't, because i believe fighting is wrong!
girlfriend: but they're attacking me!
tk: two wrongs do not make a right! but wait, i'll go get help! That is a different story. We're talking about 13 year old middle school kids. You can't compare petty fights with what could be a life-and-death situation.

Phizzle
02-15-2004, 06:30 AM
Originally posted by Chairwalker
Fighting is like playing games, or pretty much everything else in life:
It serves no real purpose, but it's lots of fun when you're winning.

There's my 2 cents.

You are god. *gives two cents back*

jokemaster
02-15-2004, 02:26 PM
Originally posted by TK-8252
That is a different story. We're talking about 13 year old middle school kids. You can't compare petty fights with what could be a life-and-death situation.
One of my friends was hospitalized for a while after he got beaten up in middle school. The guy started smashing his head with a locker. :(

Reborn Outcast
02-15-2004, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by TK-8252
That is a different story. We're talking about 13 year old middle school kids. You can't compare petty fights with what could be a life-and-death situation.

Then why dispute my idea about the bar fights. :rolleyes: That's also a different story.

And EVERY fight is a life or death situation. One wrong punch...

XERXES
02-15-2004, 04:24 PM
From what I read briefly on the last page of this site...are we discussing the moral issues with fighting??

If so, here is how I feel.

Humans have been fighting since the dawn of their existance. small scale and large scale(wars).

You see...weve got this thing called Testosterone that makes us (mostly men) act funny.

As far as me and fighting...I used to be on the wrestling team in high school. I was taught some strange things that have stuck with me today. They did exersizes to teach us to be aggressive, and it worked. To this day there are things ppl can do to me that will unconsciously send me into a fit of rage. Also when somebody comes off at me in an angry way, I respond in an angry way.

Sometimes that gets the best of me, not as much as it used to. I am learning to just chill out about things these days. Also when I do get pissed at somebody and insults are starting to get thrown back and forth, they tend to take me lightly because I am a fairly small dude. I lift weights every other day...and I can pack a punch. Lets say I've knocked out teeth before.

But I dont think fighting alltogether is bad, Cops fight and I dont scorn it.

But I dont like fighting, I dont see what it accomplishes other than a temporary ego boost if you win. I havent been in a fight since high school, gladly. :)

ET Warrior
02-15-2004, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by TK-8252
That is a different story. We're talking about 13 year old middle school kids. You can't compare petty fights with what could be a life-and-death situation.


Random quotes taken from the thread

Originally posted by TK-8252
Absolutely not! If you fight him, and kick his ass, there will only be MORE reason for him to try to get revenge. THAT is how rivalries start.

Originally posted by TK-8252
There's the thing - people's arms are only so long. If you stay away from the person until you can get help from the school, they can't hurt you.

Originally posted by TK-8252
OR you could do the right thing, and seek help from the people who are MEANT to defend you. And later in life, 9-11 can be your best friend.

Originally posted by TK-8252
Fighting doesn't solve your troubles.

Sounds like you're talking about fighting is ALWAYS wrong no matter what to me.


Don't be suprised when you get a phone call in the middle of the day, the principal informing you that your child has been suspended.
You said that to Lexx, and you know what? If her daughter got in a fight defending herself from a bully, I'll bet you doughnuts to dollers that Lexx wouldn't care at all. she would understand completely.

Like in hockey. On my team we've only had one game where a fight broke out. Some guy on the other team was being really pushy and crappy to one of our players, and they finally sort of went to blows, but then another player came in and cheap-shoted our guy. So his brother came in to defend his brother. They both got suspended and they didn't get to play in our game 2 weeks ago. We lost that game, probably because they were suspended, but we didn't care, nor did we hold them responsible. we all understood what happened and why it needed to happen.

So YOU sir, need to get off your high horse so you can get back down to the real world that we're all living in and you can understand why fighting is at times a necessary part of life.

Kain
02-15-2004, 04:59 PM
Best way to teach a child about fighting:

Teach them HOW to fight, so they CAN defend themselves when they need to(we're talkin school reputations, the most important thing to a child/teen), but teach them that it isn't always the way.

Am I gonna raise my kids this way? Hell no.

Me: Got into a fight?
Son/Daughter: Yep.
Me: Got suspended?
S/D: Uh huh...
Me: Did you kick his/her ass?
S/D: Good work.

leXX
02-15-2004, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by ET Warrior
You said that to Lexx, and you know what? If her daughter got in a fight defending herself from a bully, I'll bet you doughnuts to dollers that Lexx wouldn't care at all. she would understand completely.

Damn straight I would, and I've give her a treat too for having the intelligence and courage to stick up for herself. ;)


...

As for this ongoing discussion - Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. In other words, I'm done with this thread.

DarkLord60
02-15-2004, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by ET Warrior
Dont get mad, getting mad at somebody never solved anything. It's just like fighting, it's barbaric and wrong.

thats not what you said a couple of days ago.

TK-8252
02-15-2004, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by ET Warrior
Sounds like you're talking about fighting is ALWAYS wrong no matter what to me. We've been talking about middle school kids.

Originally posted by ET Warrior
You said that to Lexx, and you know what? If her daughter got in a fight defending herself from a bully, I'll bet you doughnuts to dollers that Lexx wouldn't care at all. she would understand completely. What happens when leXX has to pick her daughter up at school, because her daughter has a broken nose, bruises all over her arms, a black eye, and can barly breath? Will leXX be very happy then?

Originally posted by ET Warrior
Like in hockey. On my team we've only had one game where a fight broke out. Some guy on the other team was being really pushy and crappy to one of our players, and they finally sort of went to blows, but then another player came in and cheap-shoted our guy. So his brother came in to defend his brother. They both got suspended and they didn't get to play in our game 2 weeks ago. We lost that game, probably because they were suspended, but we didn't care, nor did we hold them responsible. we all understood what happened and why it needed to happen. Why not just let the idiot make a fool of himself, and eventually get taken out of the game?

Originally posted by ET Warrior
So YOU sir, need to get off your high horse so you can get back down to the real world that we're all living in and you can understand why fighting is at times a necessary part of life. I sure don't need to fight. No one in middle school needs to fight. People only fight because they want to show off, be Mr. Tough Guy.

Reborn Outcast
02-15-2004, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by TK-8252
What happens when leXX has to pick her daughter up at school, because her daughter has a broken nose, bruises all over her arms, a black eye, and can barly breath? Will leXX be very happy then?

I thought we were talking about middle school kids? And since you're now talking about a girl, how many middle school girls do you know that can do that to another girl?



And in fact, we're talking about ALL fights. When you got into this, I didn't hear you say "middle school kids" so why are you saying it now?

ET Warrior
02-15-2004, 09:27 PM
Originally posted by DarkLord60
thats not what you said a couple of days ago.

Sarcasm, meet DarkLord, Darklord, meet sarcasm.



And in fact, we're talking about ALL fights. When you got into this, I didn't hear you say "middle school kids" so why are you saying it now?

Because our logic is backing him into a corner where he cannot win.

Why not just let the idiot make a fool of himself, and eventually get taken out of the game?
Have you ever watched hockey? Ever? Getting the tar beaten out of you is demoralizing for the ENTIRE team, and team loyalty means defending your teammates.

People only fight because they want to show off, be Mr. Tough Guy.
No. the bully wants to show off and be mr tough guy. The other person is merely defending themselves. NOT showing off.

TK-8252
02-15-2004, 10:21 PM
Originally posted by Reborn Outcast
I thought we were talking about middle school kids? And since you're now talking about a girl, how many middle school girls do you know that can do that to another girl? You'd be suprised!

Originally posted by Reborn Outcast
And in fact, we're talking about ALL fights. When you got into this, I didn't hear you say "middle school kids" so why are you saying it now? What is the topic of this thread? Helping Michael, a 13 year old middle school kid, deal with a bully. If you want to talk about ALL fighting then take it over to the Senate Chambers.

Originally posted by ET Warrior
No. the bully wants to show off and be mr tough guy. The other person is merely defending themselves. NOT showing off. And fighting the bully is showing that you can be Mr. Tough Guy too! Mr. Tough Guy, no one messes with me! Everyone fear Mr. Tough Guy!

El Sitherino
02-15-2004, 10:43 PM
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/state/7960301.htm
I believe this proves that merely shrugging it off won't always work.


Most of the track team had already left, but Chris Heath saw no sign of her son. Then a student approached her truck in the high school parking lot.

"Are you Cutter's mom?" he said. "He's been in an accident."

Confusion set in, then panic. Heath rushed in and ran down the long hall where the track team had been practicing because of rain. Blood was smeared on one end of the polished concrete floor.

In the training room, she found her 15-year-old son flanked by a coach and a trainer. Christopher "Cutter" Lloyd sat slumped in a chair, shirtless. Blood gushed from his nose and mouth. He looked up at his mother, but his eyes registered no recognition.

"My God!" Heath shrieked. "What happened?"

Her son had been pushed, coach Kelly Gilbert told her. The student responsible had admitted to it. The matter, Gilbert assured her, would be taken care of.

Lloyd's troubles didn't stop after his nose and jaw were broken.

Others targeted him. And the more steps the family took to halt the harassment, the more they were ostracized. So they gave up. Lloyd has transferred to another district. And two weeks ago -- just shy of the incident's one-year anniversary -- the family moved.

Some agreed with school administrators, who see the family's departure as an overreaction to isolated incidents.

"For seven months, ever since Lloyd first set foot on the Stephenville High School campus, football players taunted him. At first, he didn't pay it much attention."

The school says boys will be boys. See ignoring doesn't always make them move to a new target.

ET Warrior
02-15-2004, 10:53 PM
Originally posted by TK-8252
You'd be suprised!

You just keep saying that we'd be surprised, but you have no evidence or facts or even stories to support it. Therefore. No. I wouldn't be surprised.

And fighting the bully is showing that you can be Mr. Tough Guy too! Mr. Tough Guy, no one messes with me! Everyone fear Mr. Tough Guy!
NO! This is where your apparent lack of common sense or even basic understanding is annoying. It is NOT showing him that you are mr. tough guy. It is showing him that you aren't mr. Beatthecrapoutofmebecauseiamapansy. It is defending yourself, preventing you from being harmed any further.

El Sitherino
02-16-2004, 12:05 AM
While there are some people whou would take their self defense to a high level to become the new bully, It rarely happens.

TK-8252
02-16-2004, 12:50 AM
Most of the track team had already left, but Chris Heath saw no sign of her son. Then a student approached her truck in the high school parking lot.

"Are you Cutter's mom?" he said. "He's been in an accident."

Confusion set in, then panic. Heath rushed in and ran down the long hall where the track team had been practicing because of rain. Blood was smeared on one end of the polished concrete floor.

In the training room, she found her 15-year-old son flanked by a coach and a trainer. Christopher "Cutter" Lloyd sat slumped in a chair, shirtless. Blood gushed from his nose and mouth. He looked up at his mother, but his eyes registered no recognition.

"My God!" Heath shrieked. "What happened?"

Her son had been pushed, coach Kelly Gilbert told her. The student responsible had admitted to it. The matter, Gilbert assured her, would be taken care of.

Lloyd's troubles didn't stop after his nose and jaw were broken.

Others targeted him. And the more steps the family took to halt the harassment, the more they were ostracized. So they gave up. Lloyd has transferred to another district. And two weeks ago -- just shy of the incident's one-year anniversary -- the family moved.

Some agreed with school administrators, who see the family's departure as an overreaction to isolated incidents.

"For seven months, ever since Lloyd first set foot on the Stephenville High School campus, football players taunted him. At first, he didn't pay it much attention."

The school says boys will be boys. Holy crap... that's sad. But a bully situation like this probably wouldn't have been solved by a fight. Seeing how bad this kid was messed up, he probably wouldn't have won a fight anyways. High school football players can do a whole lot more damage than a petty 13 year old bully.

Originally posted by ET Warrior
You just keep saying that we'd be surprised, but you have no evidence or facts or even stories to support it. Therefore. No. I wouldn't be surprised. You'd be suprised!

Originally posted by ET Warrior
It is defending yourself, preventing you from being harmed any further. Using your fists to do the talking doesn't prevent harm, it only encourages it.

IG-64
02-16-2004, 01:06 AM
You people should be ashamed of yourselves, poor michaelmexp asking for help and he gets this

obi
02-16-2004, 01:30 AM
Beh, this is getting to serious for the swamp.

Go make a fighting ok or not thread over at the senate chambers to continue the debate.

Reborn Outcast
02-16-2004, 03:21 AM
Originally posted by TK-8252
Holy crap... that's sad. But a bully situation like this probably wouldn't have been solved by a fight. Seeing how bad this kid was messed up, he probably wouldn't have won a fight anyways. High school football players can do a whole lot more damage than a petty 13 year old bully.

That boy didn't fight back...

Jared
02-16-2004, 03:39 AM
Originally posted by TK-8252
Fighting is wrong. No matter if you start it or not.


hahahaha.

Originally posted by TK-8252
easy - you don't get into situations like that. And what's wrong with getting your "mommy" to help you anyway? Your parents are there for a reason. To guide you through life, and support you. If it weren't for your parents, you wouldn't be alive.

hahah.
you think?
running to mommy never solves anything.


Originally posted by TK-8252
Beating someone up is wrong. Two wrongs DO NOT make a right.

yes, 2 wrongs do make a right.
its call the death penalty.

Originally posted by TK-8252
How does fighting solve your problems? That's like saying smoking weed will solve your problems. It doesn't solve your problems, it only puts them off. And both of those things are illegal.

smoking weed, while it doesn’t solve problems...makes then go away....hence....they were never there...I don't care.
and who cares if it’s illegal.
It’s only illegal if you get caught.
no one cares if I smoke a bowl or 2.

or 5.

Originally posted by IG-64

OT, Jared, how do you always remember to post in italics?

because....I....lead a satanic cult bent on the destruction of the earth and everything in it.



*crickets chirp in backround*


.....Rhett threataned to have his elf slaves do horrible things to me if I didn't.

^^

ET Warrior
02-16-2004, 03:44 AM
^^^^ PWNED by vB code :p

Jared
02-16-2004, 03:46 AM
damnit...cant get the damn code right.

ET Warrior
02-16-2004, 03:47 AM
you need to add the / in the [/quote] parts of it.

TK-8252
02-16-2004, 04:07 AM
Originally posted by Jared
hahahaha.



hahah.
you think?
running to mommy never solves anything.




yes, 2 wrongs do make a right.
its call the death penalty.



smoking weed, while it doesn’t solve problems...makes then go away....hence....they were never there...I don't care.
and who cares if it’s illegal.
It’s only illegal if you get caught.
no one cares if I smoke a bowl or 2.

or 5.



because....I....lead a satanic cult bent on the destruction of the earth and everything in it.



*crickets chirp in backround*


.....Rhett threataned to have his elf slaves do horrible things to me if I didn't.

^^ http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/negative11.jpg

Jared
02-16-2004, 04:13 AM
now now, no flame wars....do you need a time out??

Originally posted by Chairwalker
Fighting is like playing games, or pretty much everything else in life:
It serves no real purpose, but it's lots of fun when you're winning.

There's my 2 cents.


best advice on the whole page.

XERXES
02-16-2004, 05:29 AM
now now guys...just because you cant whop somebody doesnt mean you gotta be all passive anti-fighting.

ET Warrior
02-16-2004, 05:33 AM
Originally posted by Jared
no one cares if I smoke a bowl or 2.

or 5.

<_<

>_>


you sound like the guy who lives down the hall from me :p


(HA! Quoted you in NOT italics!!!!)




And TK....not cool man, not cool, no need to be all mean about it. None of us have attacked you personally. jeeeeez

obi
02-16-2004, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by obi-wan13
Beh, this is getting to serious for the swamp.

Go make a fighting ok or not thread over at the senate chambers to continue the debate.

Don't ignore the old man, dangit!

TK- Don't flame. You're warned.