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Mort-Hog
04-14-2004, 02:20 PM
Well not quite, but it does mention www.mixnmojo.com in this one-page article on lost adventure games.

See here! (http://quick.mixnmojo.com/mojopcgamer.jpg)

It does lament Sam and Max 2 also.

James Isaac
04-14-2004, 03:30 PM
What month and what country is that issue from?

Mort-Hog
04-14-2004, 04:38 PM
PC Gamer UK
May 2004

BooJaka
04-14-2004, 05:49 PM
What can I say? Even the thought of Dreamfall makes me drool

Brushguy
04-14-2004, 06:21 PM
It would be miraculous if Sam and Max was just "put on hold," and PC Gamer makes it sound very possible that the game could spring back in the future.

Here's believing it will. Anyway, I'm looking forward to BASS2.

The Tingler
04-14-2004, 06:23 PM
I can't remember seeing that! Is that the issue out today? The Half-Life 2 "exclusive" (not) issue? I was looking, too. Let's have another look...

ATMachine
04-14-2004, 08:23 PM
Wow. You people in Britain are lucky enough to have a reliable print source of adventure gaming info....

The USA PC Gamer people would probably call the Mixnmojo guys stupid for "trying to preserve a dead genre" or some @#$% like that.

elTee
04-15-2004, 12:34 AM
Ooooooooh BASS2!!* Excellent. And those are the first pics I've seen of TLJ2, which excites me much.

Hooray for Adventure Games!

*All joy is exempt from this statement if the game involves the new genre of adventure gaming, pioneered by Revolution, known as "box puzzles"

James Isaac
04-15-2004, 07:49 AM
Yay. I can't wait for BASS 2.

PCGamer make it sound as if the game has just been delayed though. i hope this is true, even though i doubt it.

The Tingler
04-15-2004, 11:54 AM
I doubt it's been delayed, since it has only just been announced! A month or two ago, in fact.
I broke the news on this forum in the savesamandmax thread, since I thought it was appropriate to the topic.

ThunderPeel2001
04-15-2004, 05:16 PM
LucasArt's statement DOES imply that the game has been "delayed" (pushed back) until the market is in the right "mood" for Adventure Games again.

The question is: Is LucasArts SERIOUSLY considering considering releasing it in the future (like their statement said) or has it been put on PERMANENT hold and been locked in a vault somewhere for the forseeable future (like their actions imply)?

LucasArts need to make a statement to clear this up. Although I'm not hopeful, there is a chance that SnM2 is just waiting for the right, ahem, "moment" to be released... no honestly there is... really.. I.. ah... *sob* :(

The Tingler
04-16-2004, 06:42 PM
LucasArts need to make a statement to clear this up.

Coincidental considering your previous post, where I thought you were referring to BASS2.

Brushguy
04-17-2004, 12:35 AM
PC Gamer's statement is, "Sam and Max isn't financially viable," which in plain language means "Releasing it at this time will drain our savings too much if we don't get a huge recoup."

The businessman logical thing to do would be to wait until they have more money to risk releasing Sam and Max 2, and based on what everybody at Lucasarts is saying, like Ronda, they really want to, but they just can't take the risk.

So, Sam and Max 2 won't go back into production until they have more money. Ergo, people who are threatening Lucasarts with boycotts are actually furthering chances of a SnM2 release instead of bringing it nearer.

Therefore, if you want SnM2, DON'T BOYCOTT LUCASARTS GAMES! BUY THEIR STAR WARS GAMES INSTEAD OF HIDING THEM!

That explanation fits all the facts, doesn't it?

Udvarnoky
04-17-2004, 02:28 AM
Uhh, no. That statement was just a nice way of saying that they cancelled the game. I highly doubt that the financial situation will be any "better" for the adventure genre at some other point in time. The company's current regime just doesn't want to market an adventure game, plain and simple. The game was well into production (meaning they spent lots of money already), and they probably cancelled it so they could save what would have been the marketing money for Sam and Max to use for Star Wars games and possibly some exciting generic 3rd person shooters (Mercenaries, anyone?).

There may have been some unbelievable financial risk that I simply don't understand, but I frankly feel that they're afraid of spending the necessary money to market the adventure game only to have it flop. But the question is, how much of a serious risk is it? I mean, when development is this far into a game, at this point it's too late to turn back, don't you think? They probably don't care at all about the money they've wasted, as long as they can keep the marketing money for their upcoming crap games (especially with Episode 3 on the horizon).

Anyway, this only my opinion (I'm just a Sam & Max fan with no knowledge of running a major company), and I'd love to be wrong.

Brushguy
04-17-2004, 02:12 PM
I'm sure Lucasarts has just postponed it. The word "cancelled" has yet to have been breathed by any Lucasarts employee whose said anything, but "stopped production" and "on hold" is what is coming out of their mouths.

Alien426
04-17-2004, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by Brushguy
BUY THEIR STAR WARS GAMES
So as to tip the scale even more towards Star Wars games? Already their Star Wars games will have sold more than the 2 or 3 adventure games of the last few years. Buying more of them will only make LucasArts believe that nobody wants adventures anymore.

Brushguy
04-17-2004, 03:27 PM
I meant all their games, not just Star Wars. They need more money. They stopped production because moving it on at this time would drain their savings too much.

They're probably waiting until the mindless SW fanboys pour in their college savings to buy yet another round of Star Wars games after E3, so they can get enough money to finish Sam and Max 2.

Boycotting Lucasarts games will drain even more money out of them, pushing Sam and Max 2 farther away instead of bringing it closer.

elTee
04-17-2004, 04:57 PM
No, thats not true. The only thing that would ever make LucasArts consider restarting production on the game would be a large resurgence in the adventure game genre.

Udvarnoky
04-17-2004, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by Brushguy
I meant all their games, not just Star Wars. They need more money. They stopped production because moving it on at this time would drain their savings too much.

Sorry, but I'm not convinced that LucasArts is this poor, pitiful company in terms of finance (though currently their games certainly possess those qualities). If they would release Sam and Max they would have recouped at least a portion of the money they spent making it, so they are really out more money now. They want to keep the marketing money for the big, early promotional push for episode III.

And even if I really believed LucasArts was in such a need of money (which they aren't) I wouldn't resort to buying crappy games. Maybe I'd buy 50 copies of their adventure games or something. Buying Star Wars can only hurt the situation, don't you think?

Brushguy
04-17-2004, 11:03 PM
All I'm trying to say is that Lucasarts was afraid of another flop. That's my opinion.

My previous opinion was that they needed more money, hence the "Sam and Max isn't financially viable" statement from PCG, but I guess I was wrong about that. Yes, buying Star Wars games would hurt this situation more, and I was just trying to further my opinion that they needed more money. Oh well. :(

I guess that in the eyes of their sales department, Sam and Max was no different than RTX and Wrath, classified as a "non-Star Wars game."

But if they meant "cancelled" with their press release, surely they're giving the decision second thoughts. If they meant "put on hold to be picked up later on," I think we can stop harrassing them.

Udvarnoky
04-18-2004, 12:11 AM
Originally posted by Brushguy
All I'm trying to say is that Lucasarts was afraid of another flop. That's my opinion.


I think we both agree on that.

Originally posted by Brushguy

But if they meant "cancelled" with their press release, surely they're giving the decision second thoughts. If they meant "put on hold to be picked up later on," I think we can stop harrassing them.

As I said, I believe they meant cancellation, but the fact is they've never given us a real reason which is the main problem. I think more people are hoping for a clearer statement from LucasArts than anything else.

The Tingler
04-18-2004, 12:35 PM
What gets my goat (and dog and rabbit) is that a game that LucasArts KNEW wouldn't sell and was rubbish managed to make it all the way to the shops (RTX Red Rock) and yet a game that could revitalise their reputation and gain their internal development team kudos not seen for a few years was cancelled.

In case you didn't follow RTX's story, first the GameCube version was cancelled (suddenly sticking a game as a PS2-only is usually a desperate act to sell a rubbish game) then it was released new at half-price.

EDIT: And I think you're right about Episode III - look at what happened with Attack of the Clones and The Phantom Menace. The only reason that Grim Fandango was allowed to endure was because it had been in the pipeline for such a long time and it was their first foray into 3D adventuring.
EFMI was neatly between the films, although even with that I thought we got lucky. I guess this "new" LucasArts isn't as interested in adventuring.

guybrushthedwar
04-18-2004, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by Brushguy
They need more money.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA.
jeeeeez, it's been a long time since I've laugh this much.

The Tingler
04-18-2004, 05:02 PM
Are you dictating, or something? ;)