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mapixx
04-29-2004, 05:19 PM
I started this thread to post our comments on every film we have recently seen or everyone else....

Yesterday I had my second vision of Kill Bill Volume 2 and I loved it...

Uma is the only woman who could make me doubt of my sexuality!

JofaGuht
04-29-2004, 06:36 PM
I saw Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, which was visually trippy. Very awesome movie.

I also got around to seeing A Fistful of Dollars. Sergio Leone is brilliant and Clint Eastwood's a badass. It wasn't as good as Once Upon A Time in the West though.

Thrik
04-29-2004, 08:09 PM
I only just saw Kill Bill Volume 1, and I was impressed to extreme levels. The Thrik greatly anticipates watching Volume 2 in a few days. ;

MrManager
04-29-2004, 09:53 PM
I'll be watching Kill Bill Vol. 2 this weekend. Kill Bill Vol. 1 impressed me to extreme levels also. ;D

ptdc
04-30-2004, 05:23 AM
I'd see kill bill [gates] vol.whatever, but all the clips I've seen made me think that it'd be the sort of film that'd irritate me deeply.

Ray Jones
04-30-2004, 05:45 AM
you are already, go and watch it.

Joshi
04-30-2004, 07:05 AM
I've got a friend who was meant to call us all up about going this Sunday to see Kill Bill but he lost his phone and so couldn't set it up. He was meant to do it again yesterday but again didn't. I'm starting to fear I'll never see it. :(


Nah!

mapixx
04-30-2004, 05:37 PM
My advice is to go...It's beautiful IMHO
but different (not that much) from volume I

Sergio Leone is great and Quentin would be happy to be quoted in the same discussion :)

Guybrush122
05-03-2004, 01:07 AM
Kill Bill is Quentin Tarantino's worst movie(s) ever. EVER. They suck. I've seen better film on teeth.

ON TEETH!






Resevoir Dogs was great, and so was Pulp Fiction. Jackie Brown had an excellent quality as well, but my god Kill Bill sucks.
















He could at least make it funny.

Orca Wail
05-03-2004, 01:49 PM
I just rented Big Fish, hoping for a good soul-healing Tim Burton masterpiece.

It was a piece, but not a piece of master, if you get my drift...

POO! What a disapointment!

Guybrush, you're on thin ice...
(..look out your window, friend...) (http://www.t3studios.net/Graphics/scarecrow.jpg)
kill bill is teh roxor. >:(

Joshi
05-03-2004, 03:14 PM
I have to admit, it's a good movie, but his worst one to date. I much preferd Resevoir Dogs.

mapixx
05-03-2004, 05:05 PM
I prefer Reservoir dogs too and Pulp Fiction is perfect in every single scene...but Kill Bill is Tarantino, I loved it

Big Fish surely isn't a masterpiece but very soul-healing :)

Orca Wail
05-03-2004, 06:44 PM
no, soul-healing ish a bowl of hot soup and Nightmare Before Christmas. In October.

I haven't had much time to watch movies, lately. I did watch the silent "Phantom of the Opera" on Friday. Not bad. It beat around the bush, though. And it was silent.

Another friend of mine, "Fro-Fro", saw teh "Punisher". She said it was poo.

Does anyone else notice that comic books rarely translate well into movies? Or visa-versa? (ducks Alien)

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IS EVERYONE BOYCOTTING THE 2004 PHANTOM MOVIE?!

JofaGuht
05-03-2004, 09:31 PM
I loved Big Fish, I thought is was Tim Burton's best next to Ed Wood. But I saw it right when it first came out, before all the hype.

I thought Burton's worse was definitely Planet of the Apes. THAT was poo.

MrManager
05-03-2004, 10:13 PM
I liked Big Fish too, though I don't think it was ever hyped any more or less from the time of release until now.

Joshi
05-04-2004, 12:34 PM
I liked Big Fish, it was original, as is all of Burtons work. (okay, so mostly based on books and so on, but they're original books, none of the 'guy goes on a journey, saves the day and gets a girl on the side' crap)

So based on Burtons past work, what do you think will come of his rendition of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, starring Burtons bitch, Johnny Depp as Willy Wanker Wonker?

JofaGuht
05-04-2004, 09:24 PM
I'm both for it and against it. I loved the original movie very much, but the book was so much darker and crazier, and Tim Burton might bring out that edge. Willy Wonka was a much bigger psycho in the book, but it was well hinted in the film. But if anyone had to redo it, then Tim Burton is probably the only person who can.

I love Johnny Depp, he's one of my favorite actors. He'll probably pull off Wonka, but my heart is still with Gene Wilder. I heard Burton originally wanted Marilyn Manson, which would have definitely brought a different touch. He fits the image in my mind, but being a rockstar and all, he probably sucks at acting.

Joshi
05-05-2004, 05:04 PM
personally, I thing Depp has a wide range in his acting and could pull off Willy Wonker nicely. Yes, Gene Wilder was good, but as you said, it wasn't as dark as the original book (written by a guy who did pretty good horror novels, can't remember the title, but I seem to remember one about a brain and an eye and.. it was hella good).

What I loved about Roal Dahl's books were that they were mostly written for chuildren, but had this really dark tone to them which people didn't seem to find. I mean when a boy shrinks his grandmother down so much she simply dissapears and then the book ends, that's slightly dark, but then you get these same books being read to children in schools, it's great. I seem to remember in the sequel to Charlie and the Chocolate factory (Great Glass elevator) his grandparents drink something that makes them younger, but they go back so far they're not born or something. They come back, but the very idea is just freakishly weird. I loved it and would really like to read the following adventures of Charlie, if only I could find them.

Orca Wail
05-05-2004, 07:35 PM
Wanker Wonker...
ITS WONKA!!!!!!!!!1

thank you.

I loved the great Dohl when I was a lass. I read the Witches alot, which, for assidelitic reasons, got me in trouble. It was a sixth grade book(?!?) and I was in the fourth grade, so the teacher yelled at me. Meh.

I do not like this Tim Burton Willy Wonka and I will have nothing to do with this wonka.

Today, my away-message read: DAM THE DAM COMIX DAM JANE AND RAM-RAM-RAMROD AND NOW THIS MANCRAP MAKING! GOOD GOD! TIM IS GOD AND GOD IS DEAD!

...yeah...

Thrik
05-05-2004, 08:11 PM
thrik.net?p=32 (http://www.thrik.net/?p=32)

Joshi
05-06-2004, 05:09 AM
Originally posted by Orca Wail
Wanker Wonker...
ITS WONKA!!!!!!!!!1

thank you.

I loved the great Dohl when I was a lass. I read the Witches alot, which, for assidelitic reasons, got me in trouble. It was a sixth grade book(?!?) and I was in the fourth grade, so the teacher yelled at me. Meh.

I do not like this Tim Burton Willy Wonka and I will have nothing to do with this wonka.

Today, my away-message read: DAM THE DAM COMIX DAM JANE AND RAM-RAM-RAMROD AND NOW THIS MANCRAP MAKING! GOOD GOD! TIM IS GOD AND GOD IS DEAD!

...yeah...
Would anyone like to attempt an english translation? Do you like the idea of Johnny Depp being Willy Wonker or not?

Orca Wail
05-06-2004, 06:55 AM
Sorry...I was feeling jolly...

No, I hate the idea of Johnny Depp as Willy Wonka. I don't know who else could play him, but I know for certain Depp is not right for this role. I feel it in my gut.

However, does anyone have details on this? What I'd like to know is if it will be like a "twisted" version (see American Magee's Alice or the seires The Twisted Land of Oz). Then maybe I could see Depp in this.

Speaking of Depp...I heard on the radio that Depp wants Keith Richards, a guy from the Stones, to play Jack Sparrow's father in the Pirates 2. Moo...

Jack Threepwood
05-06-2004, 09:22 AM
Johnny Depp as Willy Wonka!!! Thats madness...i think he would make a much better Charlie. Nah i'm just kidding, he's a great actor. Not as god as Ashton Kutcher though. Has anybody seen The Butterfly Effect? Its a great film and it leaves you thinking about loads of stuff after you've seen it.The thoughts that were goin through my head were 'That guy must be unluckiest person in the world...nothing at all goes right for him'. Still its a fantastic film

mapixx
05-06-2004, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by Thrik
thrik.net?p=32 (http://www.thrik.net/?p=32)

Fight Club is THE film...

yesterday I saw The godfather Part I and II great! but my favourite Coppola is still Apocalypse now, Brando is still Kurtz, DeNiro is still Travis (or Noodles) and Pacino is still Tony Montana for me...

Joshi
05-06-2004, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by Jack Threepwood
Not as god as Ashton Kutcher though.

Okay, I suggest you leave before a barrage of angry people come running at you with sharp and blunt objects.

No seriously, he's alright in That 70's Show, but I heard that Kutchers acting in The Butterfly Effect was the one thing that brought the movie down.

BUt that's besides the point, to say that he's a better actor than Jhonny Depp, well that's just like being a regicide. You might as well say brocholli is better than chocolate.

And Orca, I think they're gonna try and make a CATCF (boy, that's a hell of a lot easier than typing Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, we'll just do that from no on) which is closer to the book than the earlier version was, which was basically all cutesy and soft, whereas the book was a lot darker and twisted, and really brough home the fact that all of the other kid were at times in real mortal danger when the had the chocolate and/or candy, like the kid that fell into the chocolate river. The factory has to be Terrific and Terrifying at the same time.

I weren't to happy about the oompa loompa's either, they weren't creepy enough.

Oh, and Johnny Depp rules, and not judging him on films like Pirates and Once upon a Time in Mexico, he has a very wide range of acting in him, and I think he could easily pull off WW.

Expert Player
05-06-2004, 03:36 PM
Well, it's not really a film, but I just started playing NOLF2 ( No One Lives Forever 2 ). I like the graphics!

Thrik
05-06-2004, 04:03 PM
Er, okay.

scabb
05-06-2004, 05:09 PM
I though Big Fish was pretty good - sort of like a Burton version of Forrest Gump. As for Kill Bill, it's currently Tarantino's second best to my mind - nothing beats Pulp Fiction. Rerservoir Dogs and Jackie Brown are both excellent, though. ;-

I still have most of my Dahl library, and I think Willy Wonka was the best adaption of the bunch - if only for the musical numbers. I liked The Witches too, but the ending totallly ruined it for me. Of course, in both cases the books are infinitely better.

It's interesting that apparently, Dahl hated all the film adaptions of his books. He should be glad that God struck him down before "Matilda" hit cinemas.

Still, I think Burton can pull off a good Chocolate Factory, and maybe even a Great Glass Elevator if all goes well.

Oh, and Shaun of the Dead is excellent. Go see it. If you're a fan of 'Spaced', I shouldn't have to tell you this. ;-

Orca Wail
05-06-2004, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by scabb

It's interesting that apparently, Dahl hated all the film adaptions of his books. He should be glad that God struck him down before "Matilda" hit cinemas.


Interesting. I'm not surprised he hated them. There's lots of hidden black humor(humour?) in his books that the movies edited out.

For a good time, get the "Ronald Dahl's Revoting Rhymes" book. Its a thin little book but its gushing with dark humor.

Speaking of poetry and while we're still riding the Tim Burton wave, anyone ever read "The Meloncholy (sp?) Death of Oyster Boy"?

JofaGuht
05-06-2004, 11:11 PM
But Dahl wrote the screenplay to Willa Wonka. How could he hate it if he adapted it himself?

scabb
05-08-2004, 08:40 AM
I think that he just didn't like how "hollywood" it was. The screenplay was rewritten at one point, too.

The IMBD (http://uk.imdb.com/title/tt0067992/trivia) has this:

"Roald Dahl was reportedly so angry with the treatment of his book (mainly stemming from the massive rewrite by David Seltzer) that he refused permission for the book's sequel, Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator, to be filmed. Seltzer had an idea for a new sequel, but legal issues meant that it never got off the ground."


I also came up with this (http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/news/local/7373545.htm?1c):

"Roald Dahl wasn't the only person to dislike 1971's "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory," based on the author's children's book, "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory." Tim Burton, who announced last May that he is directing a new version of the film, isn't a fan of the original either.

"Have you seen it lately? Personally, I don't want to crush people's childhood dreams but, um, I'd rate 'Chitty Chitty Bang Bang' [also based on a Dahl book] much higher than that one."

Dahl's dissatisfaction with the 1971 film led his estate to resist Warner Bros.' attempts to obtain the rights for a remake, until they learned that Burton was on board to direct."

Joshi
05-08-2004, 03:21 PM
Personally, yes, i did like it, as a movie of it's time, but against the book, it's just not that good. But I 'm not sure if I agree with scabb in saying it's the best Dahl adaptation to film, not that i've seen it in a while, but I'd have to compare it with the movie adaptation of 'Danny, Champion of the World'. Then again, I haven't seen it in a while, so I could be wrong.

I think we're living in a time now where we can handle movies with all of the dark undertones in Dahls book being inherent in a movie adaptation so this may actually be a good thing.

I do agree with the whole matilda thing though, that girl was blatently not Matilda, she seemed to enjoy life too much, whereas the one in the book was just trying to live life. All of the 'mischievouse' things she did to her father were in dark retaliation, not just for fun as the movie would have you believe, and in the end Matilda lost her power because she'd been moved up in the school. And the Trunchbol (sp?) was a lot darker than the basic brute in the movies. The history of the teacher was a lot better to.

You know what, I think we now have the technology on our hands to adapt my favorite Dahl book, 'Fantastic Mr Fox.'

SamNMax
05-09-2004, 08:16 PM
The best movie I've ever seen would have to be Army Of Darkness (http://maddox.xmission.com/aod.html), the second chapter in the Evil Dead sieres.

JofaGuht
05-09-2004, 11:23 PM
Army of Darkness is the THIRD Evil Dead movie. Ah, you're naivity fills me with anger.

But I won't flame you. But you are stupid. Because Army of Darkness is the THIRD Evil Dead movie. Not SECOND, but THIRD!

mapixx
05-11-2004, 02:37 PM
I saw Breakfast at Tiffany's, I don't know if it is a stupid thing but there's a scene in which the actress says "Bill is arrived" (or something like that, I don't know how it sounds in English) and Bill actually is a hand with a ring in the same position as Bill's hand in volume 1 :rolleyes:

Dr Edison 007
05-15-2004, 05:37 PM
"Have you seen it lately? Personally, I don't want to crush people's childhood dreams but, um, I'd rate 'Chitty Chitty Bang Bang' [also based on a Dahl book] much higher than that one."

I know you didn't type that, but Ian Fleming wrote Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.

Alien426
05-16-2004, 05:46 AM
Roald co-wrote the screenplay (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062803/fullcredits#writers).

mapixx
05-22-2004, 05:04 AM
Dracula by Francis Ford Coppola: is it really a good movie?
I don't like it at all, except for the charachter of Van Helsing and maybe one or two scenes, directing was awful and Dracula more ridicolous than creepy...IMHO :)

Alien426
05-22-2004, 06:40 AM
I think it's an OK movie. Anthony Hopkins as Van Helsing is certainly great. I don't like Keanu Reeves and can't stand Gary Oldman.

Things I do love about the movie is Wojciech Kilar's score and the opening scenes where you see the battle as a silhouette (also: cool language!). There are some other beautiful scenes, too.

Dracula @ imdb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103874/)

mapixx
06-02-2004, 08:07 AM
What about Darren Aronofsky?
I liked Requiem for a dream-Delusion Over Addiction, Ellen Burstyn is perfect, Jared Leto and Jennifer Connelly are good too
beautifully directed and splendid photograph, the story is intense and moving and not banal
now I'm going to watch Pi...

Ernil
06-03-2004, 10:18 AM
Requiem makes you want to hug your mother.









Buh Bye

mapixx
06-04-2004, 04:26 PM
yes and Pi makes you want to hug your maths teacher :D
It's even better than Requiem IMHO, the theme is less moving and that gives all the merits to Aronofsky (ad to a splendid Sean Gullette) for this deeply emotional film
I liked it very much

DrMcCoy
06-05-2004, 01:43 AM
pi... that's one of my favourite movies...