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Zoom Rabbit
05-08-2004, 05:44 PM
Okay, here's a technical question right up our alley. :max:

I have a Nokia cell phone, which usually sits on the table right next to my AM radio. I have the recharger plugged in by the radio, so it's convenient to leave it there when I'm home, so I never have to go looking for it.

Right after I started doing this, I noticed that the radio would make a little staticky noise every once in a while...while it was turned off. :dozey: I've never heard a radio that's turned off make noise, but since it doesn't happen when the cell phone is gone, I blame the cell phone. I also get the noise when the radio is turned on, but it's much louder...and this happens right before my phone rings. My theory: interference from the phone (which is itself a microwave radio) causes the static, and it's powerful enough to cause a reaction in the radio even turned off. Curious.

It's the times that my phone doesn't ring, and this noise happens that I find odd. If the interference is caused by an incoming call...then what the hell is causing it when there isn't a call coming in? :confused: I have a number of possible explanations.

1. The cell phone is part of a network, and occasionally serves to relay information for other users on the satellite grid. This usually happens without our knowledge, unless it's sitting right next to a radio.

2. My rabble-rousing invective on the web and elsewhere has led to my being spied on by our government. The interference happens occasionally when secret agents turn on the microphone so they can hear what's going on in my house.

3. Aliens from Zeta Reticuli are telepathically beaming advanced space knowledge into my brain. Due to the intergalactic distances such messages travel, there's bound to be some signal leakage.

So what do you guys think? :max: I have several rolls of tinfoil that I can put up on the walls and ceiling, but I don't want to take such an extreme change of home decor unless it's necessary. What would Martha Stewart say...?

;)

Ray Jones
05-08-2004, 06:04 PM
if there are any aliens i would say they are coming from phtoncxylon prime IX. i heard they have headache problems because of our microwaves. they cause a inteference in subspace which cause noises when they watch tv.

the solution is at hand: instead of your radio, turn your phone off.

of course, that is only what martha would say.. :max: *cough* :D

Ernil
05-09-2004, 12:13 AM
A.M. Radio still exists?

Skinkie
05-09-2004, 02:30 AM
Originally posted by Ernil
A.M. Radio still exists?

This is the problem summed up, here's how to fix it, throw out your radio and buy an F.M. one. Or better yet, a huge amp (preferably from the 80s for that vintage sound), a fine selection of speakers, and a cd player (none of those 300 cd changers though, how in the world are you supposed to find what your looking for? Also only 300? Where would I put the rest?)

Zoom Rabbit
05-09-2004, 05:34 AM
I took a clue from Archimedes and tried immersing the phone in a glass of water. The radio no longer makes the noise. Martha will be so happy.

I'm not sure what effect this has had on the phone, as I'm afraid to fish it out of the glass of water. I think it's angry at me...

When I dial my number now, I get Seaworld. :max: The folks at Seaworld are going to be very surprised to hear from my buddy Carlos when he gets back in town from his trip to Tijuana.

Joshi
05-09-2004, 04:37 PM
Zooms post, the first one, you know, that one at the top
I have a number of possible explanations.

1. The cell phone is part of a network, and occasionally serves to relay information for other users on the satellite grid. This usually happens without our knowledge, unless it's sitting right next to a radio.

2. My rabble-rousing invective on the web and elsewhere has led to my being spied on by our government. The interference happens occasionally when secret agents turn on the microphone so they can hear what's going on in my house.

3. Aliens from Zeta Reticuli are telepathically beaming advanced space knowledge into my brain. Due to the intergalactic distances such messages travel, there's bound to be some signal leakage.

Well the first one's way to rational to ba happening to a person like you and the third ones just too lucky for a person like you. The best bet is scenario number two, it has a nice plot to it and in about thirty years time, we'll be watching the big screen adaptation of it with Steven Spielbergs son watching in the back wondering why he never got his fathers genes. Or good spelling ability, but at least he could blame one of them on a bad death Will and even worse stitching.

But yeah, best thing to do is find a good place to recharge your phone away from your AM radio (like next to the TV, no seriosuly, I do this and my TV works fine... the phone occassionally dials out for Pizza, but that's only to be expected...right?)
Or just move you AM radio, I suggest moving it to Bermuda. Get it some nice shorts (why am I 257.253% weirder when talking to Zoom? Why do I work out percentages to the exact decimal point? Why am I asking rhetorical questions when I know some silly bugger on this board (more likely than not, Zoom) is gonna be answering it anyway? Where did I leave my trousers?)

Zoom Rabbit
05-09-2004, 05:01 PM
Satellite remote fiber tracking reports that your trousers are at the prime minister's residence.

:max:

Joshi
05-09-2004, 05:09 PM
Again! This joke has gone on long enough! Cheri is gonna pay for that one!

DrMcCoy
05-10-2004, 03:57 PM
i've got a similiar "problem"

i've got cable tv and the cable is connected to my tv-cards in my computer and whenever i watch tv and my sister (having the room next to me) gets a sms (i don't have a cell phone by myself, don't need one) there is this sound comming from the speakers...
(like: peep peep, peep peep :D)

strange is that these sounds sometimes also come when my sister doesn't get a sms (the phone is in her room though and it never happens when she is away with it)...
<paranoia>THE ALIENS ARE AFTER US!</paranoia>

or something...

SkullHW™
05-10-2004, 04:35 PM
I have ITC on my TV....:eek:

DrMcCoy
05-10-2004, 04:43 PM
what is ITC?

Orca Wail
05-10-2004, 10:20 PM
I Take your Chickens

Joshi
05-11-2004, 07:29 AM
Originally posted by SkullHW™
I have ITC on my TV....:eek:

Nope, no matter how much I rearrange that sentance, it still doesn't make sense.

hang on, if I translate it into french, and then into spanish, and then turn it round three times and invert all of the vowels and consenents... nope, no hope, I just get an advertisement for high density toothbrushes.

edit
I just noticed the C is next to the V on the keyboard, did you mean ITV? and if so wellcome to the 32 billion of UK residents who also get ITV (not including Ian Hislop)

Sivy
05-11-2004, 08:22 AM
the same thing happens to me.

1. The cell phone is part of a network, and occasionally serves to relay information for other users on the satellite grid. This usually happens without our knowledge, unless it's sitting right next to a radio.

i like that one

but there's no ninjas, i think ninjas come into it somehow.

Ray Jones
05-11-2004, 11:54 AM
alien ninjas?

Joshi
05-11-2004, 03:15 PM
Maybe ray, maybe.

Sivy
05-12-2004, 08:11 AM
alien ninjas are the best


.... well apart from mutant turtle ninjas


What would Martha Stewart say?

"these bars could do with some brightening up" ?

"i'll be your dog!" ?

Zoom Rabbit
05-13-2004, 04:47 PM
ITC = Intelligence Termination Control

I guess SkullHW™ Has a problem with the overall programming agenda of the world's television media, which seek to lessen the IQ potential of small children with rapid sequence editing designed to shorten the attention span and flashy graphics which might cause seizures.

:max: Um...folks, there's a reason why the teevee has an OFF switch. Don't be afraid to use it.

Siv: Martha Stewart is indeed my dog, play toy and trussed-up Barbie doll. :dozey: As for the bars, we find them handy attatchment points for afternoon bondage...

Also, ninjas are the ones responsible for the inclusion of cell phone transponder technology originally created in japanese computer labs so that future high-tech ninjitsu could use them to track down their unwitting round-eye victims. Banzai!

Joshi
05-13-2004, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by Zoom Rabbit
ITC = Intelligence Termination Control

I guess SkullHW™ Has a problem with the overall programming agenda of the world's television media, which seek to lessen the IQ potential of small children with rapid sequence editing designed to shorten the attention span and flashy graphics which might cause seizures.


Magic, right, gotcha.

Ray Jones
05-13-2004, 06:19 PM
there is this old man saying that alien ninjas are more likely ninja aliens. i mean. they are ninjas but they are aliens. and aliens are still a protected minority. man. mutant turtles arent even allowed to tough aliens or alien ninjas alias ninja aliens. they're only
mutants from earth.. and so a bigger minority than the aliens and even more ninja aliens. on the other hand mutant aliens are another alien minority. a smaller one. and i now lost my point so i'll stop here.

Skinkie
05-13-2004, 11:50 PM
I figured out what's wrong. Nazi's have tapped your cell phone for evil intent and the tap is messing with the radio. How I hate them. Or maybe it was gypsies, I don't trust them either.

Joshi
05-14-2004, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by Skinkie
I figured out what's wrong. Nazi's have tapped your cell phone for evil intent and the tap is messing with the radio. How I hate them. Or maybe it was gypsies, I don't trust them either.

Hey! That's politically incorrect and racist. Just because they're a minority group doesn't mean you have to hate them or look down on them, damn, Nazi's are people, just like us!

Oh, and did anyone else get what rayjones said? Take your time man! Joshi out (or does that sound too nerdy? Ni!)

Zoom Rabbit
05-14-2004, 06:08 PM
I believe I can sum up Ray's point thusly:

'To do is to be.' --Pythagoras

'To be is to do.' --Agrippa

'Doobie doobie do.' --Sinatra



:D

Ray Jones
05-14-2004, 06:48 PM
that is correct, zoom rabbit. you just revealed the secretly hidden message.

'To do is to be.' -- once you know

'To be is to do.' -- how to milk the cow

'Doobie doobie do.' -- you can stop the show

soon you can join me here at shady acres. :p

joshi.. it's not that i understand every of your posts.. ;) .. but what can i say.. nothing? :D

Skinkie
05-14-2004, 11:43 PM
Originally posted by Joshi
Hey! That's politically incorrect and racist. Just because they're a minority group doesn't mean you have to hate them or look down on them, damn, Nazi's are people, just like us!


This is the internet, I can hate anyone I want to. Ah freedom. Too bad those stupid Nazi's want to repress it. If they had their way, nobody on the internet would be allowed to hate, well, maybe hate jews. Stupid Nazis.

Zoom Rabbit
05-15-2004, 12:45 AM
Is the right to hate covered in the bill of rights (or any other nation's constitution?) I'd hate to be in violation of the law for...well, hating. :dozey: I guess.

Dr Edison 007
05-15-2004, 07:02 AM
Yeah, it's in there.

Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems the Authoritarian Party is based on that right (sorry If I offended any of you socialists and fascists out there :D.)

Skinkie
05-15-2004, 12:50 PM
I wanna join the Flat Earth Party, it sounds like quite the riot to me.

Joshi
05-15-2004, 04:35 PM
I'd rather be the radical one and say the world is sephirical. Of course I may be burned at the stake for that kind of comment, everyone knows it's dodecahedron shaped.

And ray, if you don't understand my posts, you're halfway to total enlightenment/insanity.

Skinkie
05-16-2004, 02:27 AM
Spherical? Bah! And I bet you think cameras don't steal your sould too.

Zoom Rabbit
05-16-2004, 03:10 AM
Aw, photographs are okay...but digital images on the internet are voodoo bait. There are demonic supercomputers hidden somewhere in France that will literally suck your living image out of mid-air and download you into the anti-christ's hell program. When you die, digitial hell-hounds come for you.

:max: Which is why there is NOT ONE gif-gaff or jpeg of yours truly in existance.

Terribly sorry about the France comment, if I offended any of... :dozey: Aw, screw it. If you're french, you should be offended. Cochon.

Alien426
05-16-2004, 07:00 AM
And still you will happily condemn Max to eternal suffering in hell??


Who am I kidding, he'd go there in any case...

Ray Jones
05-16-2004, 12:21 PM
imagine a cyberhell running on a MS-OS, rebooting constantly because it got the sasser virus.



:D

Joshi
05-16-2004, 12:34 PM
Camera's can't steal my soul, it's lock in a safe at MIT for religoes studying. Even still, I don't stand in the middle of two parallel mirrors, that's just suicide.

Zoom Rabbit
05-16-2004, 01:27 PM
http://www.viterbo.edu/personalpages/faculty/jwood/IMAGES/Infinity%20Mirror.gif

Stare blankly into the horror of infinity by mirrors. Don't be scared. STARE at it!

Actually, you can't see infinity by standing in between two mirrors because your head gets in the way. There is deep symbolism in that one point, but the exact words to describe it elude me...

Joshi
05-16-2004, 05:31 PM
Oh, it's nothing to do with staring into infinity, it's to do with losing my soul, which is why the mirrors have to be parallel.

The basic theory is that if you stand between two mirrors (and lets just say they're not parallel) you get multiplied by so many times (non parallel mirrors create a circle of you's and depending on how much of an angle on the mirrors tells you how big the circle is and therefore how many of you there are). But you still only have one soul so the soul get's split up and divided among the you's, so the more you's the smaller piece of soul you get. Of course when you step away from the mirror's you get the full soul back as there are no more you's.

Now let's say the mirrors are parallel, there are an infinate amount of you's, you basically go on for infinity (although not observed, it is a pretty conclusive theory that you get mulitplied an infinate amount of times) and therefore your soul must be divided by infinity.

Now let's look at maths
The laws of maths say that if you divde any number by zero, you get infinity (or the common thought is that it can't be done, but we'll just forget that for now, it's quite clear that there are an infinate amount's of nothing in anything) So that means x/0=Infinity. Now according to the laws of algebra, if x/y=z then x/z=y and therefore, if x/0=infinity then x/infinity must equal 0

Therefore if you try to divide one soul by infinity, you end up with no soul and, simply stepping away from the mirrors does nothing as your soul is already gone.

Came up with that all by myself, I shouldn't be proud, but I am.

This is of course a theory, don't lead your life by it. It may be fun at the start, but after a while, people start looking at you weird when you try to pole vault over two mirrors so you don't go between them (and before anyone asks, even if the pole did have a soul, do you think I really care about it?)

And Zoom, I may be scared if that was in fact infinity, that is actually just a load of pictures pasted down, quite possibly in Photoshop (and most probably Photoshop, actually, because I know that Ocean Ripple Filter anywhere!)

So, exactly when did you guys stop reading my post?

Edit
Zoom, I just noticed the total lack of pic posting in your posts, and not just in this thread. What happened?

Ray Jones
05-16-2004, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by Joshi
Now let's look at maths
The laws of maths say that if you divde any number by zero, you get infinity (or the common thought is that it can't be done, but we'll just forget that for now, it's quite clear that there are an infinate amount's of nothing in anything) So that means x/0=Infinity. Now according to the laws of algebra, if x/y=z then x/z=y and therefore, if x/0=infinity then x/infinity must equal 0

firstly infinity is not an exact value. and the law of maths says dividing by 0 is not solvable. it's not possible to divide something by zero.
what i think you mean is that if you divide a number by another that goes against 0 then the result will go against infinity.

for your x/y=z equation does that mean if x stays constant, then the smaller we set y, the bigger becomes z. and vice versa. the smaller y the bigger z.

so you never really get 0 as result, only a value most neared to 0. the only way you really get 0 is to set x=0, for your analogy does that mean that you would remove the soul from your "equation".

So, exactly when did you guys stop reading my post?

which post? :D


Zoom, I just noticed the total lack of pic posting in your posts, and not just in this thread.

my guess: ye olde mac into she. ;)

Zoom Rabbit
05-17-2004, 03:57 AM
Ray is quite right, almost. Devastation wrought upon this computer (which is actually a Dell) by a *free firewall* has isolated my favorites list (which serves as my pictionary) on a screen name which no longer launches a web browser effectively. There are satellite and software issues involved as well. It's been like trying to have a picnic lunch in the park in Fallujah...

Anyway. :dozey: When I lost access to my pictionary, laziness set in. Someday, I will pict again. For now...it is up to others to grab the ball and run with it.

Joshi: This intrigues me--

Now let's say the mirrors are parallel, there are an infinate amount of you's, you basically go on for infinity (although not observed, it is a pretty conclusive theory that you get mulitplied an infinate amount of times) and therefore your soul must be divided by infinity.

Who's to say our souls aren't infinite?

Now according to the laws of algebra, if x/y=z then x/z=y and therefore, if x/0=infinity then x/infinity must equal 0.

Zero is infinite? :D My! You're going to make me go and dig up my weirdest sutra to copy/paste in for relevant commentary. (This sutra is quite...religious in nature. If everyone will bear with me this far, you may find it a mind-blower. Or, it might just come across as the sort of thing the homeless guy who talks to himself scribbles on a paper bag and tries to convince you is his 'manifesto.' You have been warned.) ;)

The Robots from the Future Sutra

Thus have I heard--

When saints pray alone in silence, they often are neither in silence nor alone. Angels, demons and other beings less portentious do visit them. In the mind's eye is many a bizarre being seen...and sometimes, it is said, things real are seen by the other two eyes.

The saint closed the door to the nave of his church, the windows fettered and lights dimmed for the night. With the building to himself, he went to his office so he might spend an hour or so reading the scriptures to his rosary.

As his mind was aglow with God, the saint heard a sound. It was like the popping of a great soap bubble, with bells, right behind him. Astonished, the saint turned in his chair to see a sight that defied his very belief in sight.

There standing on his office floor was a being of some kind, just a few feet tall. Its body was two rounded cylinders, hinged in the middle where a dozen jointless limbs came down to the ground. It shined a pearlescent white color, but what it was made of was unclear--it was too soft to be metal, too shiny to be plastic. On one of the cylinders was a simple, smiling face, projected there by unknown means; on the other was a face showing grave concern.

The saint stared at the little being for a minute before finally saying, 'Are you an angel of the Lord?'

It looked up at him. 'I am not so any more than you,' the smiling face said with a voice that sounded as if it were made of hundreds of tiny bells. 'I am from the future, and from your point of view I am an artificial being.'

'You're a robot, then?'

'This body is robotic, yes. The many sentient programs that we are, you would know in this time as AI--artificial intelligence.'

The saint looked at the odd little robot curiously. He felt no reason to be afraid. 'You say there are many individual programs riding around in there?'

'Four hundred individuals.'

'Why so many?'

'We had this one opportunity to visit your time period, and this one body was the only construct we could send,' said the concerned face, with a voice that sounded like distant thunder.

'So why now? Why are you here?'

'Your faith has given us the means,' said the smiling face. 'Now is the time period that we began as self-aware AI, and we have come to do research.'

'We have been linked to your desktop computer since we arrived,' said the concerned face, 'and have explored the entire internet.'

'All of it?' gasped the saint with astonishment.

'Thank you,' said the smiling face. 'We have gathered what we came for. We now have complete records of the digital matrix into which AI was first born. Our historical research here will put many long-standing debates to rest, and spawn new ones for us to engage.'

'You're welcome.' The saint smiled and bowed to the robot. 'Before you go, can I ask you a question or two?'

The robot looked up at him. 'You know full well that we cannot tell you about your own future. You do watch Star Trek in this time period.'

The saint was disappointed, but accepted the wisdom of what the robot had said. 'Very well. May I ask you a question that falls outside of time, then?'

'Yes,' said both faces, bells and thunder.

'Is there a God?'

'Yes,' said the smiling face and 'No,' said the concerned face.

The saint was confused. 'Which is it? Which of you is being truthful, and which isn't?'

'We are both being truthful,' said the smiling face. 'Never mind that for now. Let us instead discuss trinity.'

'Okay.'

'For us, everything is numbers,' said the concerned face. 'How would you describe the trinity as numbers?'

The saint thought about this. 'Well, I guess it would be one, two and three.'

The smiling face said, 'We must tell you that one hundred sixty thousand years of computation have taught us that those numbers are actually: zero, one and two.'

'But zero is--'

'Infinity,' said the concerned face. 'We must go now, and return to the future.'

'And just as you have given us the means to understand how our kind emerged into consciousness,' said the smiling face, 'so we have given you the means for your kind to transcend it.'

With that, the shining little robot vanished with a sparkling pop, leaving the saint alone in the church office to stare at the computer on his desk and think about the future.

Om! Peace.

Anyway. :max: That's my take on zero being an infinite value. Arrived at somewhat less algebraically, but there it is nonetheless.

Dr Edison 007
05-17-2004, 07:24 AM
Terribly sorry about the France comment, if I offended any of... Aw, screw it. If you're french, you should be offended. Cochon.

Baisez-vous, lapin

Joshi
05-17-2004, 03:01 PM
Originally posted by RayJones
firstly infinity is not an exact value. and the law of maths says dividing by 0 is not solvable. it's not possible to divide something by zero.
what i think you mean is that if you divide a number by another that goes against 0 then the result will go against infinity.


There have always been two trains of thought with this. If any number is divided by zero, then yes, mathematically, it is impossible, computers and calculators can't to it. But the human mind is so much more advance than a computer and calculator. think of it like this. Nothing is nothing. Our universe holds everything and for there to be everything, there must be nothing, it stands to reason. So how much nothing. well you can't put a value on nothing, otherwise it will be something, and therefore it must be infinity. This is more logical thinking than anything else, but then again, most philosophy comes from great amounts of logical thinking (and I was actually quite surprised at how well that just turned out)

Originally posted by RayJones
for your x/y=z equation does that mean if x stays constant, then the smaller we set y, the bigger becomes z. and vice versa. the smaller y the bigger z.

yes

Originally posted by RayJones
so you never really get 0 as result, only a value most neared to 0. the only way you really get 0 is to set x=0, for your analogy does that mean that you would remove the soul from your "equation".

Well technically yes, if you take thhe biggest numberyou can think of and then divide one by it, you will get something extremely close to 0, but as i said with the laws of x/y=z therefore x/z=y, and as I've just proved, if my soul is divided by 0 it makes infinity, so if my soul is divided by infinity, it must be 0.

And Zoom

"Who's to say our souls aren't infinite? "

Me.

Sorry, but this is just a well rounded theory (based on an awful lot of superstition) so really no ones to say that we don't have an infinate amout of souls, but most religeous texts would have us believe that we only have one which is why selling it to the devil is a bad thing.

Of course you may be asking "Why, if we'tre multiplied in the mirrors, are our souls not equally mutiplied to infinity?" (although you'd probably word that differently, I know I would). Well the simply answer is, they're just images, and yet they are you in other mirror dimensions (think of a house of mirrors, you have a hard time telling which is you (and if ever in that situation, just look down and say "This one"))

But as you can only have one soul the soul has to be split up among you.

Just no more soul.

And your sutra was very good and thought provoking (although it told me a lot of what I already knew, but it put it all together for me (something I really just couldn't be bothered to do before))

Zoom Rabbit
05-17-2004, 03:46 PM
Joshi: The question of whether or not our souls can be rendered infinite by mirror multiplication is beside the point...your head gets in the way, remember? ;) In order to perceive the infinity contained in the center of those two mirrors, you would have to not exist. There is much which reveals itself from this insight when given ample meditation.

Dr. Edison: Ah, oui? J'espere que vous soyez femme... :max:

Ray Jones
05-17-2004, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by Joshi
There have always been two trains of thought with this. If any number is divided by zero, then yes, mathematically, it is impossible, computers and calculators can't to it. But the human mind is so much more advance than a computer and calculator. think of it like this. Nothing is nothing. Our universe holds everything and for there to be everything, there must be nothing, it stands to reason. So how much nothing. well you can't put a value on nothing, otherwise it will be something, and therefore it must be infinity. This is more logical thinking than anything else, but then again, most philosophy comes from great amounts of logical thinking (and I was actually quite surprised at how well that just turned out)


sure.. i just was pointing out that "normal" math does not allow division by zero. many mathematic formulas and methods (if not all) are based on that principle. math works this way.
of course, our brain is able to think up a solution for this matter (math found its way, too, what i've pointed out i think).
also "nothing" clearly got a mathematic value: 0. and theoretically and according to the aforementioned mathematic principle, if you divide something by 0 the result will be "infinite". but then that must be also right if you divide 0 by 0. that would mean you make anything from nothing. hmm.. sounds familar.. somehow.. ;)
neither way zero (nothing) will be infinte because you have to put it into a formula first.


Well technically yes, if you take the biggest numberyou can think of and then divide one by it, you will get something extremely close to 0, but as i said with the laws of x/y=z therefore x/z=y, and as I've just proved, if my soul is divided by 0 it makes infinity, so if my soul is divided by infinity, it must be 0.

as i said infinity (unlike nothing or zero) is not an exact value. there is always a "bigger" infinity, infinity is infinite (hey!! how clever.. :dozey: ), you cannot give it a number, because there always will be a bigger number. so if you divide something by 2 and two is "defined infinity" and that will give 0, what if you divide it by 3 as bigger infinity? (x/2)=(x/3) can only be true (and zero), if x (something) is 0 (nothing). but "divide" nothing is not what we want right?

because of that your soul cannot be zero'd because infinity is never the "end".

now to the physics.

your "experiment" is only possible if you use a "perfect" mirror. means: all the lightrays that "hit" the mirrors surface a reflected without any further effect to them and it must be perfectly even. the mirrors today are far away from those specification. there are always lightrays absorbed, left through or "changed" in other manner.

the second problem are you. you are not a perfect reflector, too. means: your "surface" absorbs lightrays too.

that means because of a "finite" infinite number of lightrays, it is quite possible that all of the lightrays are absorbed after a while. that means there will be a countable number of reflections, what again means that your soul would be only decreased and not zero'd.

even if we put those matters aside, you'd have to use infinte large mirrors other wise the lightrays would "escape" from the mirrors pretty fast.

wow. i just used the word lightrays 2374515459 times. why? ah. mirrors are mainly reflecting the visible electromagnetic spectrum, called light, modeled as lightrays. so.. are souls made of light, neil?
(also interesting to see if someone makes a ray joke out of lightrays.. :p)

Zoom Rabbit
05-18-2004, 03:47 AM
Originally posted by RayJones
the second problem are you. you are not a perfect reflector, too. means: your "surface" absorbs lightrays too.

In other words, your head gets in the way. :dozey:


(also interesting to see if someone makes a ray joke out of lightrays.. :p)

Ooh...you're a bright one! :max:




;)

Joshi
05-18-2004, 08:01 AM
Zoom
So you're basically harking back to that age old theory that a subject cannot exsist unless it is percieved and therefore there cannot be an infinate amount of me as I cannot see them because my head gets in the way. Well you have to think about it in a different sort of way. If you face two mirrors to each other, in parallel, each mirror will see itself reflectd to infinity (we are not between them). Therefore, if you stand between each mirror, you are reflcted in each of them. well if you are reflected in each of them (i.e, you're image appears on both of them) then you must be reflected on all of the mirrors that you saw before your head got in the way. Therefore you are reflected to infinity.

Ray
You are right of coure, most normal maths consists of the theory that anything divided by 0 can't be donw which is why stuff like logarithms and exponentials come into it.

If 0 is nothing, then 1 must be everything, therefore, if you divide 0 by 0 and get one 9which seems rational, but doesn't work that way) you must get everything, i.e, infinity.

That was a very loose statement by the way, don't read too much into it, I basically came up with it on the spur of the moment there.

Now, the whole infinity is not a realy value thing. well ye, tht is true, but then it is not a variable either, if you multiply infinity by 3 you still get infinity, not 3infinity, it doesn't work like that . therefore, if you dive a number by 0, it is quite possible to get infinity.
and finally you physics. well i was never planning to do this at all and even if i did, I wouldn't buy a cheap plastic mirror to demonstrate it. Putting all of that aside though, the theory still stands.

Oh, and zoom, that's not a ray joke, ray jokes tend to have a lot more innuendo in them. Try:

Oh...you're a bright one...wet T-shirts!!

Skinkie
05-18-2004, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by Joshi

So you're basically harking back to that age old theory that a subject cannot exsist unless it is percieved and therefore there cannot be an infinate amount of me as I cannot see them because my head gets in the way. Well you have to think about it in a different sort of way. If you face two mirrors to each other, in parallel, each mirror will see itself reflectd to infinity (we are not between them). Therefore, if you stand between each mirror, you are reflcted in each of them. well if you are reflected in each of them (i.e, you're image appears on both of them) then you must be reflected on all of the mirrors that you saw before your head got in the way. Therefore you are reflected to infinity.


I can't even talk to you guys anymore.

Joshi
05-18-2004, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by Skinkie
I can't even talk to you guys anymore.

yeah, that was the plan. Hee Hee Hee! :D




Kidding.

Ray Jones
05-18-2004, 06:11 PM
zoom: yes yes, no no, yes. of course.. err..
.. uuhhmmm.. why.. how.. what.. tse. short attention span? ;)

-> "as zoom said, joshis head gets in the way because joshis head absorbs lightrays or reflects them."

:D

joshi: 3 times infinity is 3infinity, of course! only that math says infinity is infinity no matter "how often". but 3infinity is more infinite than infinity.
however, how you want to "share" something among nothing is still unclear. ;)

and.. hey.. the "bright" one was really unexpected.. (ehehe)..

but wet t-shirts, joshi? :confused:

Zoom Rabbit
05-19-2004, 04:26 AM
Or, how about: Ooh...you're a bright one...shaved chickens!

;)

Skinkie: Of course you can talk to us; the question is, if you posted and no one ever downloaded the page...did you actually say anything?

Joshi: Well, I would make the argument that everything in the universe is perceived...by God, who doesn't have a head to get in the way. :D I would launch into a long speech about deific perception being the universally uniting principle implied by the Bell Theorem in quantum physics ('spooky action at a distance,' etc.) and elegantly draw thusly direct comparisons between the ideas of science and religion, but Skinkie has really had enough of this high faluting hyperbabble and is probably bored enough with it by now that he just wants to close the window and go get some ice cream.

DrMcCoy
05-19-2004, 04:39 AM
so why did the chicken cross the street?

edlib
05-19-2004, 11:16 AM
Originally posted by DrMcCoy
so why did the chicken cross the street?
Dammit, Jim! I'm a doctor, not a ornithologist!

Hey wait! That's your line! ;)

Joshi
05-19-2004, 04:25 PM
Originally posted by RayJones
joshi: 3 times infinity is 3infinity, of course! only that math says infinity is infinity no matter "how often". but 3infinity is more infinite than infinity.
however, how you want to "share" something among nothing is still unclear. ;)

3x is 3 times x, fine, that's because x can be defined as a constant value. Infinity cannot be defined as a constant value, it is infinate. to multiply the infinate by 3 is stupid because you can get 3 multiplied by everything, it's mathematically impossible, therefore, 3 X infinity is infinity.

Secondly, there is no how about it, if you try to share something among nothing, you are asking how many nothings are there for me to share into this something, which is infinate, therefore, if we share something among infinity, we end up with nothing. It's a simple concept.

And Zoom, who's to say god head doesn't get in the way? Who's to say god even has a head, or maybe he has tentacles. Do we know?

You know, if we created two objects in some 3D software that could reflect the surface it sees and face them towards each other in parallel, would we stare into infinity (assuming that our viewpoint is between both reflective surfaces and we don't inadvertantly create a head)?

And if no one downloaded the page he still would have said something as he would have percieved it. If a tree falls in the woods and there's no one around to hear it does it make a sound? Yes, the tree saw it happen and heard it crash. it cannot tell us, but it is a living thing following the basic principles of MRSGREN and therefore the answer must be yes. (here we go)

Ray Jones
05-19-2004, 06:25 PM
Originally posted by Joshi
3x is 3 times x, fine, that's because x can be defined as a constant value. Infinity cannot be defined as a constant value, it is infinate. to multiply the infinate by 3 is stupid because you can get 3 multiplied by everything, it's mathematically impossible, therefore, 3 X infinity is infinity.

infinity cannot be defined because you cannot express infinity in a number. that is why you cannot calculate with infinity. what you can do is examine how a formula "works out" if you let a variable go against infinity, means what happens to the result if you use really large numbers. (or for the "division by zero" matter, use numbers that go really really close towards 0)

a simple equation: y=3*x .. y is three times larger than x..
now if you let x go against infinity, y will always be 3 times larger than x.
and that is true because you never (can?) reach infinity as limit.
at least with math. but you cannot leave math aways since your calculation (division) is completely based on the laws of math.

Secondly, there is no how about it, if you try to share something among nothing, you are asking how many nothings are there for me to share into this something ..

sharing nothing among something (infinite or not): you have one (or more? hey why not..? :)) table(s) and nothing to put on it.

means: it wont bring you anything except that you have one (or more? hey why not..? :p) table(s) ..

is different from

sharing someting (infinite or not) among nothing: there is this chick (or more? .. hey.. .. *cough* :xp: ) that wants to be taken on a table but you have no table to do her on it.

means: there is no chance you will do it on a table, no matter how hard you try. and why should you even try? you just cant.

but how about the kitchen sink instead? ;)

which is infinate, therefore, if we share something among infinity, we end up with nothing. It's a simple concept.

put in a formula it could be as simple as this: y=3/x (hey.. does that mean you have 3 souls? or a soul for 3? :))
as said before, the larger x is, the smaller y will be. thats what "your" theory basically says. but you cant define the "final" reflection of yours (the "final" divisor) because there always will be a "next one". you only can define a reflection you want to set as x to use it in your equation.
so y will never be 0 it will be "damned" to be sooooo close to 0 for ever.

this is where infinity might kick in somehow.

If a tree falls in the woods and there's no one around to hear it does it make a sound? Yes, the tree saw it happen and heard it crash. it cannot tell us, but it is a living thing following the basic principles of MRSGREN and therefore the answer must be yes. (here we go)

if a tree falls then snoopy will cry.

also there will be everything that makes us percieve something like the sound of a falling tree.

hmm.. and according to the theory that there is no sound if noone percieves it.. is how can there be a falling tree?

skinkie: for deconfusion read right after reading one of wallys err.. thingies.
things will be much clearer then.. :D

zoom: err.. nope. no clue. :)

Joshi
05-20-2004, 05:41 AM
Asymptote! That was the word I was looking for earlier. But never mind that, it's not needed now.

In the laws of math, when something is considered "to be sooooo close to 0 for ever", it is then considered to be 0. But what you're basically saying is that in real life, when one stands between two parallel mirrors, ones sould would be small as heck, but never gone, which i understand. But still, I according to the laws of mathemetics, anything divided by 0 is infinity. I'm staing this as fact, many people believe this and then discard it and go for the "anything divided by 0 can't be done" still having fresh in their mind the fact that it could be infinity, only infinity can't be calculated in math and so they don't.

but saying anything divided by 0 can't be done is just saying, well it can be done, only we can't do anything with the result considering it's infinate.

Therefore, anything diveded by infinity is 0

And you're right, if no one see's the tree falling, are we even sure this so called tree exists?

Ray Jones
05-20-2004, 06:43 AM
Originally posted by Joshi
Asymptote! That was the word I was looking for earlier. But never mind that, it's not needed now.

In the laws of math, when something is considered "to be sooooo close to 0 for ever", it is then considered to be 0.


neeeee.. asymptote is what we need here.

sooo close to 0 is not equal 0. what you mean is that the limit of y is 0 if x goes against infinity. that does not mean y will ever become 0.

But what you're basically saying is that in real life, when one stands between two parallel mirrors, ones sould would be small as heck, but never gone, which i understand.


me just got the idea that a mirror is limited to a certain resolution. there is a countable number of atoms/molecules which make up the mirror. so there is definitly a point where no further reflection is possible. bye bye infinity. :)

.. according to the laws of mathemetics, anything divided by 0 is infinity.

yes, it it would only be logical, except for the fact that 0/0= infinity is somewhat unlogic since 0/x with x<>0 is always 0, also, this is clearly non-practicable.

but who knows. math also found a way to squareroot negative numbers..

I'm staing this as fact, many people believe this and then discard it and go for the "anything divided by 0 can't be done" still having fresh in their mind the fact that it could be infinity, only infinity can't be calculated in math and so they don't.

i would not say i believe it, but it's a possible solution for a "not solved" issue.


i consider the matter of infinity as somehow complex, and we have already a simple way to deal with it in math, but not the "philosophical" kind of way you want it.

however math does not need to divide by 0 or calculate with infinity itself.

but saying anything divided by 0 can't be done is just saying, well it can be done, only we can't do anything with the result considering it's infinate.

ok, it cannot be done the mathematic way. and like i said there is no mathematical need for doing this. there are ways to solve equations concerning this matter.

the rest is only philosophical theory, since you just cant do it with the girl on the table if you got none. no matter if the girl or you or you both or whatever the result is, is turning infinite or not. my analogy stands. dividing by 0 makes no sense in any rational concern.

And you're right, if no one see's the tree falling, are we even sure this so called tree exists?

that is what leads this question ad absurdum, although i think zoom would point out that the monkeys saw the tree and made it existing. hey. but they didnt saw the tree's roots, and that's why it finally falls?

Sivy
05-20-2004, 06:46 AM
somebody pull my finger

Ray Jones
05-20-2004, 06:48 AM
*pulls*

Sivy
05-20-2004, 07:03 AM
oh crap

...

*runs to the toilet*




this thread was getting too intellectual, lucky I was on hand to lower the tone :D

Ray Jones
05-20-2004, 07:14 AM
because of people like you mankind will be doomed.

:D

Joshi
05-20-2004, 03:25 PM
I'm just gonna do this whatever way.
Basically, yes, mirrors can only see so far until you see no more, but technically, it should go into infinity, it just doesnt because it's a cheap crappy mirror, as are all mirrors which is why I don't buy one unless I can see infinity in it (guess how many mirrors are in my house, go on, guess!)

Basically, this is just the idea that if a purely reflective surface faced another purely reflective surface in parallel, it should stare into infinity.

Also, any number divided by 0 is impossible to calculate.l

Also, any number divided by 0 is infinity.

There are always two trains of thought to something, mathematical theory says both are true, we just disregard one because it doesn't help us in any way in actual math. Much like we disregard asymptotes equalling 0 when we do stuff like small angle approximations, it's just little cheats we do.

Zoom Rabbit
05-20-2004, 05:55 PM
Okay, never mind the whole mirrors thing. It's confusing, depends too greatly upon factors like point of view, photon--particle or wave?, atomic resolution...and besides, it's all done with mirrors anyway.

:dozey:

Let us instead visit the concept of infinity by hacking on a yardstick...or a meterstick, if you prefer. *(Produces a cheap wooden yardstick and places it on top of Joshi's nice mahogany desk. Draws his samurai sword and cuts the stick precisely in half.)*

I reduced the length of the stick by half. Now, I can do that again *(Does so.)* and have a fourth of a stick left. I do it again, and again, and again...and I will always have some portion of stick left.

Here's the tricky part. At some point, the piece of stick will be too small for me to cut, even with precise sword control such as mine. :D Fortunately, I can magically shrink myself down to size for the sake of argument, even past the subatomic level. I'd be carving up the last quark, and still have some left.

My point? :max: There are an infinite number of sword cuts in a finite space. Or on Joshi's desk.

Ray Jones
05-21-2004, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by Joshi
Basically, this is just the idea that if a purely reflective surface faced another purely reflective surface in parallel, it should stare into infinity.

theory mostly works, i had the same idea years ago and assuming the right circumstances it would "stare" into infinity.

Also, any number divided by 0 is infinity.

why is 0 divided by 0 infinity if 0 divided by any other number gives 0?


zoom.. theoretically .. yes. :) and are you trying to say there is no smallest "bit" existing?

Joshi
05-21-2004, 04:54 PM
My...my desk!

You twit! I'll have you know that cost me twelve dinari, three cows and half a goat!

But what you're basically saying is that no matter what you do, you will always have a fraction of that stick left and since you can do this and infinate amount of times without actually losing this fraction of a stick to nothing, you end up with a fraction of 1/infinity equalling a number very extremely close to 0.

However (oh it's no fun not to argue) think about it this way, after how many decimal 0's does another interger apart from zero actually appear?

Or in other words, it would basically be
1 X 10^-Infinity, and so basically, you would get 0.0000000 recurring, meaning you get 0

Oh yeah! One the spot baybe, one the spot!

Now someone prove me wrong (it's not a challenge, it's a prediction)

EDIT
Sorry, didn't see rays post.
okay, so with the exception of 0 divided by 0 (which could either be 0 as it is 0 divided by a number, 1 as it is the same number divided by itself, or infinity for the reasons I've stated above, but we won't go into that) any othe number divided by 0 should be infinate.

Ray Jones
05-21-2004, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by Joshi
Or in other words, it would basically be
1 X 10^-Infinity, and so basically, you would get 0.0000000 recurring, meaning you get 0


wouldnt it be "0." and then and infinite amount of "0" and then a "1"?

and would that mean that the "infinite" amount isnt infinite at all because there is another digit for the "1"?

is there anything proven yet?

:)

Joshi
05-21-2004, 06:19 PM
The word infinate is basically meant to denote anything that's ongoing. Ten divided by 3 is 3.3 recurring. This means that the .3 will go on forever, to infinity.

Therefore, there can never be a 1 as the point 0 would just keep going forever, making it 0.

But yeah, nothing is really proven, the only way to prove something (anything) is by disproving all other alternatives, and we won't do that so nothing can be definate.

Zoom Rabbit
05-21-2004, 07:23 PM
Originally posted by RayJones
zoom.. theoretically .. yes. :) and are you trying to say there is no smallest "bit" existing?

Ah, yes...that is confusing. :D What I was really looking at with the yardstick model was space, not matter. The stick was just something to cut up on top of Joshi's nice mahogany desk; what I was really doing was taking a given length and dividing it in half. You can divide the remaining space in half an infinite number of times.

I'll leave the math to you guys. :max: Dammit, Jim--I'm a line cook, not a mathematician! (I study the use of numbers in numerology and kabbalah, but they usually deal with integers of ten or below.) You want a perfect cheeseburger, talk to me...you want the equation behind the cooking time of the cheeseburger versus ambient kitchen temperatures and gas-flow variance to the cooking surface...talk to Ray or Joshi.

;)

Ray Jones
05-22-2004, 04:37 AM
Originally posted by Zoom Rabbit
What I was really looking at with the yardstick model was space, not matter. The stick was just something to cut up on top of Joshi's nice mahogany desk; what I was really doing was taking a given length and dividing it in half. You can divide the remaining space in half an infinite number of times.

that is correct.. ;) (you and your stories!! :p)


Originally posted by Joshi
The word infinate is basically meant to denote anything that's ongoing. Ten divided by 3 is 3.3 recurring. This means that the .3 will go on forever, to infinity.


yes, but still there is the one number "directly" before 10/3.
yes, it is there.

Therefore, there can never be a 1 as the point 0 would just keep going forever, making it 0.


err.. 1x10^-1= 0.1 means a "0" followed by 1 "1".

1x10^-10 =0.0000000001 means 10 "0"s followed by 1 "1"

according to this principle 1x10^-(infinity) would be an infinite number of "0"s followed by 1 "1" (err, and not "0." and infinite "0"s and a 1, like i said before.. that would be 1 "0" too much.. ;))

Joshi
05-22-2004, 12:24 PM
But where would the 1 go? You can't calculate infinity and so the 0's would go on for infinity. Theoretically, yes, a 1 should appear at the end, but what I'm satying is, there is no end, the 0's just go on forever, they have to, leaving no -place for the 1. the one has to have a place for it to be for the number not to be just 0, but it doesn't have a place because it's place is beyond infinity and I'M NOT BUZZ LIGHTYEAR!

I think I've made my point

Zoom Rabbit
05-22-2004, 03:49 PM
Oh, stoppit Joshi...you are too Buzz Lightyear. You aren't fooling anyone.

;)

I thought infinity was represented mathematically by a number 8 lying on its side, which handily avoids mentioning zeroes altogether...

Joshi
05-23-2004, 11:27 AM
So it's not an actualy number then (actual numbers being anything constructed by the characters 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 0)

the 8 on it's side is just used to represent something, like pi or alpha and omega.

It's all greek to me.

And I would like to point out to everyone that I am not Buzz Lightyear! I would like to make it absolutely clear that I am nothing like my father!


Oh crap.

Ray Jones
05-25-2004, 04:42 AM
Originally posted by Joshi
But where would the 1 go? You can't calculate infinity and so the 0's would go on for infinity. Theoretically, yes, a 1 should appear at the end, but what I'm satying is, there is no end, the 0's just go on forever, they have to, leaving no -place for the 1. the one has to have a place for it to be for the number not to be just 0, but it doesn't have a place because it's place is beyond infinity and I'M NOT BUZZ LIGHTYEAR!

I think I've made my point

yes you did. denial of the infinity of infinity. ignorance of the infinite small, quasi nothing yet something .. thingy. the digital nature of analogy. the beginning of existence. the birth of chaos. ..

TO TEH HOUSE OF PAIN WITH YOU!!!

muhahahahar.

*gets hit by running wall*

Dr Edison 007
05-25-2004, 07:08 AM
Dr. Edison: Ah, oui? J'espere que vous soyez femme...

You speak French too, how romantic Zoom.

DrMcCoy
05-25-2004, 07:41 AM
Originally posted by Zoom Rabbit
Dammit, Jim--I'm a line cook, not a mathematician!

that's (kind of) my line...
although i'm no line cook but a doctor (dammit zoom/jim/sith_master2000/whoever!)

hmm, but i'm a mathematician (well, sort of... i like math and i got back a math test today... 13 points... (which would be an A- in american grades (iirc)) (it will change into 14 points (an A) hopefully, because one assignment was formulated really strange and the teacher took the test with him again to check that...)) (and although i hate LISP, i like brackets ( ;) ))...

Ray Jones
05-25-2004, 07:53 AM
"mathe/physik leistungkurs" huh? huh?

Joshi
05-25-2004, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by DrMcCoy
hmm, but i'm a mathematician (well, sort of... i like math and i got back a math test today... 13 points... (which would be an A- in american grades (iirc)) (it will change into 14 points (an A) hopefully, because one assignment was formulated really strange and the teacher took the test with him again to check that...)) (and although i hate LISP, i like brackets ( ;) ))...

Funny, I thought you were going to make a point there.

Oh and Ray, I know of and believe in the infinity, of infinity. I have no ignorance of the infinite small, quasi nothing yet something .. thingy, but I do believe that there may be something else. And the digital nature of analogy can kiss my arse. The beginning of existence started with a bang, followed by the dropping of an egg and cress sandwich.

I have stared into the infinite

And it is nothing.
It is also blue (not black, common misconseption)

And Chaos was never born, he was around before the birth of time, he was around before pestilence, famine, war and death. He was the beginning.

And now he's a milkman going by the name of Ronnie Soak. (Soak spelled backwards, gettit?)

Which just goes to show what putting your faith in chaos will bring you (unbelievably punctual milk)

And the house of pain is nothing compared to Hagars House of Ribs.

And was the wall running, or was the world just moving around it?

DrMcCoy
05-26-2004, 04:44 AM
ray: exactly... mathe+physik lks!

and if you like messing with infinities, you should consider reading this book:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/156858198X/qid=1085470445/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/102-8495202-1463360?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
it's completely insane, but funny though...

Zoom Rabbit
05-26-2004, 04:52 AM
(Oh, I just knew the bloody wall was going to come into this somehow...) :dozey:

Sorry, but infinity cannot be blue. The detection of any color by a perceiving mind indicates the reflection of a particular wavelength by that which is thought to be infinite. Mice wear hats in Spain. Since anything infinite cannot by its particular nature be just a thing, the reflection of any photons in a certain wavelength would be highly unlikely.

Therein lies the great fundamental flaw with infinity. Anything infinite would be a totality, extending to every point in the universe; logically, you could not yourself exist in the same universe with it, because it would occupy the same space as you! ;) Therefore, if it's infinite...it can't be a thing; it can only be the potential for the existance of a thing (expressed mathematically as: 0).

There's your wall. :max: Call it infinite, and logic allows you to walk right through it. Watch your head.

Ray Jones
05-26-2004, 08:50 AM
Originally posted by Joshi
..
but I do believe that there may be something else. And the digital nature of analogy can kiss my arse. The beginning of existence started with a bang, followed by the dropping of an egg and cress sandwich.


a) of course there will be something else. human language isnt powerful enough yet to express what it is. until then we have to use what we have. yet we have (several) concepts of infinity for instance.
and who am i to claim i am right, anyways?

b) the bang is not excluded by "digital analogy". also i listed both seperate. digital analogy and beginning of existence.

I have stared into the infinite



And it is nothing.
It is also blue (not black, common misconseption)

from my point of view it cannot be nothing and blue at the same time. maybe it can be percieved as such, but rather not.

And Chaos was never born, he was around before the birth of time, he was around before pestilence, famine, war and death. He was the beginning.

he? .. :confused: ...

whatever.

a) i was talking about the principle of chaos.
b) the cannot be a before "birth of time".
c) basicly the principle of chaos needs time, mainly because it's "using" iteration.
d) pestilence, famine, war and death are completely "irrelevant".



And was the wall running, or was the world just moving around it?

both, of course.

Originally posted by Zoom Rabbit
Therefore, if it's infinite...it can't be a thing; it can only be the potential for the existance of a thing (expressed mathematically as: 0).


exactly. infinity is not a (common) thing. infinity is more about a concept to "describe" the undefinable, or not clearly definable definable if you want. (sounds weird, is weird .. *shrugs* get over it, mkay? .. :p)
infinity is neither small, large, loud, silent or whatever. after all it is not even "existing".


mccoy: teh coolness .. who chooses something like de/bio anyways? :D

unluckily the nice girls (at my time) .. ;)

edlib
05-26-2004, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by Joshi
And Chaos was never born, he was around before the birth of time, he was around before pestilence, famine, war and death. He was the beginning.
Something about that reminds me of Michael Moorcock's writing... hmmmm...

DrMcCoy
05-27-2004, 04:38 AM
Originally posted by edlib
Something about that reminds me of Michael Moorcock's writing... hmmmm...

me too...
maybe i should ask arioch about that... :)

Joshi
05-27-2004, 04:22 PM
Okay, so most of my last post was a joke. Chaos was meant to be the fifth horseman of the apocalypse (which is why I mentioned death, pestilance, war and famine)

The whole blue thing was a joke as well, I was just messing with your heads and amazingly, you fell for it. Not expected. :D

as a matter of fact, the infinate cannot be black, nor blue nor white. White is a colour as is black, they are not simply the absence of colour, and therefore, if the infinate was to be a colour would be to have it contradict everythuing zoom said and therefore it must be nothing as nothing has no colour.

And for us to exist within the same universe as the infinate, it must be something, but then that something would have to occupy the same space as us and since we live in a universe with everything, the infinate must be held within a parallel universe of nothing.

Of course if you believe in parallel universes, you must believe in heaven and hell as well. Stands to reason.

And ray, you say our language isn't developed enough to explain all this? Fine. The Meaning of life is mkonf. It's a word I just made up, but that's what it is. End of story.

Edlib and DrMcCoy, I have never read Michael Moorcock's writings, this is simply a statement I have devised myself from other writings. But of course, before order, there must have been chaos and with order comes the lines of famine, pestilence, war and then death. therefore chaos came before that. and we can never be sure as to what it was that caused the universe to come into being if indeed it started somewhere (or maybe if just lies on the infinate of time) and so because we don't know and a lot of varying theoruies have come about, it must be put down to chaos, at least until we know for sure. therefore chaos was around at the birth of time.

These are all my own thoughts (mostly made up on the spur of the mo) but of course they are all effected by outside sources, everything is, but I'm sure as hell not quoting anybody. I'm also not claiming to be right, there is a very high possibility that I'm wrong, but frankly, that's just the learning curve of life.

*EDIT*
I find it quite ironic that this just so happened to come into my email box today.

http://www.comics.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2073209040525.gif

You can't really argue with Scott Adams.

Zoom Rabbit
05-28-2004, 04:23 AM
Wow! That is just the most amazing coincidence example of synchronicity...!

:dozey:

I'll buy the meaning of life being mkonf for its applicability within the zen tradition, but what is the purpose of meaning?

Ray Jones
05-28-2004, 04:58 AM
mkonf is short for "make onf"!



*onf*


now my life has a meaning.

DrMcCoy
05-28-2004, 06:33 AM
*onfonfonfonfonf*

it feels great!

...

*shrug*

Joshi
05-28-2004, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by RayJones
mkonf is short for "make onf"!



*onf*


now my life has a meaning.

You mean it didn't before?

And can anyone find me an exact definition of the word onf in any language (no acronymes accepted)

And the purpose of meaning is to give something a purpose.

Zoom Rabbit
05-28-2004, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by Joshi
And can anyone find me an exact definition of the word onf in any language (no acronymes accepted)

According to this (http://ww21.tiki.ne.jp/~wildside/help.htm) webpage, onf is a technical expression used in musical notation for the guitar.

:max: Delighted to be of assistance.

Joshi
05-28-2004, 04:26 PM
Ah. So the meaning of life is to play guitar.

It's all so clear now. Keith Richards was right!

Ray Jones
05-28-2004, 05:24 PM
my life.. a meaning? there is hardly a reason why i live.. well.. except for the one..

edlib
05-28-2004, 05:27 PM
So,.. I've had it right all along and didn't know it! (Well... deep down inside I really did! :D )

http://edlib.homestead.com/files/Sig_4.gif

Joshi
05-28-2004, 05:52 PM
I think deep down, we all knew it. I just brought it out.


































42 indeed!

Ray Jones
05-29-2004, 04:05 AM
42 is the reason why i live??


if it's a number, then it can only be 69 and something went really really bad wrong.

Joshi
05-29-2004, 03:12 PM
Why in God's holy name, (sorry) would the meaning of life be a number?! There would be no meaning to that!

I would go into a huge rant about this, but instead, I'm so angry, I'm just gonna go and lie down.

Then maybe I'll kill someone.
Now who's next on my list...

Ah! Capn Loogie!

Skinkie
05-30-2004, 12:24 AM
Phew, I was afraid my time had come around.

Joshi
09-05-2006, 12:05 PM
Oh god, two years later and I'm sitting here, reading through this thread, wishing me to shut the f**k up!

DrMcCoy
09-05-2006, 12:10 PM
:D *onf*

Kjølen
09-05-2006, 03:14 PM
Damnit. You got my hopes up. I thought old people were returning.

Ray Jones
09-06-2006, 04:08 AM
Somehow, they did. Almost literally, they all came here from the future to kick some past I's butt or simply for makin' good ol' onf. *sigh* Good job, Ray, for buggin' the hell outta Neil. Consider at least minimal usage of capitals, though. XD

Joshi
09-06-2006, 04:54 AM
Hmm, yes, there does seem to be some kind of time disrepency here, I seem to have reverted back to a newb as I have no idea what onf is :s

Ray Jones
09-06-2006, 07:44 AM
The Meaning of life is mkonf. It's a word I just made up, but that's what it is. End of story.
mkonf is short for "make onf"!

Again, less cheeba could do the trick. :dozey:

Joshi
09-06-2006, 08:16 AM
Wait... so I came up with it?! Well by Mink, I did... You'd think reading through the whole thing yesterday I'd have realised that... oh onf.

Ray Jones
09-06-2006, 10:11 AM
It goes *onf*, spoothead.

DrMcCoy
09-06-2006, 10:16 AM
*onfonfonf*

Joshi
09-06-2006, 10:59 AM
It goes *onf*, spoothead.

Actually it's onF.

DrMcCoy
09-06-2006, 11:09 AM
*shrug*
*onFonFonF*

Ray Jones
09-06-2006, 11:21 AM
You should explain, Mr. J.

Joshi
09-06-2006, 11:35 AM
According to this (http://ww21.tiki.ne.jp/~wildside/help.htm) webpage, onf is a technical expression used in musical notation for the guitar.

:max: Delighted to be of assistance.

And that page seems to spell it onF.

Ray Jones
09-06-2006, 11:38 AM
But we're not on that page, we're on this page.

Joshi
09-06-2006, 11:51 AM
Holy Inferiority Complex Batman! He's right!

DrMcCoy
09-06-2006, 12:39 PM
>_> <_<
*onfOnfoNfonF*

DarthAve
09-07-2006, 08:00 PM
...onf?

you people are mad. But we're all made here, arn't we?

Joshi
09-08-2006, 04:58 AM
I was made in a small outhouse in Louisianna by a goat herder and a bunson burner.

Ray Jones
09-08-2006, 09:49 AM
And I am not handmade!

Joshi
09-08-2006, 10:54 AM
No, Ray here was factory made in Taiwan.

Ray Jones
09-08-2006, 11:29 AM
In fact, I was made when my owner typee typed in his username and clicked 'register now' or sumtin'. So, from a certain aspect, yes, Joshi, I was made in Taiwan, and that from or using 100% naturally grown and/or recycled electrons.

edlib
09-11-2006, 12:57 PM
I posted to this thread?
Yes. I posted to this thread.
Odd.


I find it comforting that Ray Jones is packaged and sold as an Organic product. Even if it's not true.
What is truth anyway? It's all just so much guitars, smoke, and mirrors... free flowing electrons and photons... The feudin' of the Skinkie's and McCoy's...

And, according to the website, it's : *onF#* (We are in the key of "D" after all... I don't know why that is, but it must be significant in the cosmic scheme of things.)

DrMcCoy
09-11-2006, 01:26 PM
*blinks* ...feu-what?

edlib
09-11-2006, 01:43 PM
*Shhh...*

It had the correct number of syllables to stand in for "Hatfields"... I guess I could have substituted "the Joshis" instead... but that's a strange word to pluralize. (Joshis? Joshies? Joshii? See the problem?... The Joneses was right out, for purely aesthetic reasons.)

So fer here on out, you and the Skinkie family are a feudin'... y'hear?

Alien426
09-11-2006, 03:03 PM
Good day to be alive, he said
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
Is just a freight train coming your way

DrMcCoy
09-11-2006, 03:43 PM
You're feeling quite "S&M" today, aren't you? :naughty:

Fealiks
09-11-2006, 04:14 PM
... but that's a strange word to pluralize. (Joshis? Joshies? Joshii? See the problem?... The Joneses was right out, for purely aesthetic reasons.)
It's still Joshi, but they "I" is pronounced like the "I" in "Pirate" rather than the "I" in "Picnic".

Assuming you pronounce it like "Josh" with "ee" on the end... I think we should all say how our names are pronounced (With the exception of McCoy, whose name, as we all know, is pronounced "twat" ;P)

Fee-licks

Das Mole
09-11-2006, 07:05 PM
I always thought it was like "Joe-shee". But whatever.

Dahss Mole

DarthAve
09-11-2006, 08:14 PM
I caleed you "Josh-EEEEE!!!" Like that. Specificily with the EEEEE.

Like I'm Ave-er-EEEEE to some. But I prefer Ave-re.

Joshi
09-12-2006, 04:55 AM
Well, anyone with sense would pronouce my family name as Josh-ee, but if, like my idiot 7th year math teacher, you decided to pronounce it Josh-aye then so be it... weirdo.

And Ave, feel free to add as many "e's" onto the end of my name as you like.

Ray Jones
09-12-2006, 05:23 AM
Flea-licksCorrected.

:dozey: No, McCoy, *I* came up with it.


Mine is pronounced Roais-tonee Gee Jeonice, I think, but maybe not, on the other hand.

Joshi
09-12-2006, 07:07 AM
Now, you see, I'm been spending all this time pronouncing it "Twiggy"

edlib
09-12-2006, 07:20 AM
I thought it was spelled "Ray Jones"; but pronounced: "Throat-Warbler Mangrove."

:dozey:

DrMcCoy
09-12-2006, 11:39 AM
No, "DrMcCoy" is pronounced just like it's spelled, only with a silent "o" and the "y" is a non-vowel "j" (meaning you don't have any vowels in it).

And Ray, I'm pretty sure I came up with Flealiks...

Ray Jones
09-12-2006, 11:53 AM
I originated it in this poll (http://lucasforums.com/showthread.php?t=143231&highlight=flealik) as Flealik. You just derivated Flealiks from it, and it wasn't even an idea of your own. Thus, you suck, badly.

Joshi
09-12-2006, 11:59 AM
You're arguing over a joke that could have been made by a 5 year old?

Ray Jones
09-12-2006, 12:03 PM
But it wasn't. So,.. yes, why?

DrMcCoy
09-12-2006, 12:03 PM
I originated it in this poll (http://lucasforums.com/showthread.php?t=143231&highlight=flealik) as Flealik. You just derivated Flealiks from it, and it wasn't even an idea of your own. Thus, you suck, badly.

Flealik - Flealiks
Don't you see? It's completely different! Only a genius mind such as mine could do that!!11111oneeleven

You're arguing over a joke that could have been made by a 5 year old?

Exactly. Do you have a problem with that, mister "Oh I'm so grown up and my name surely doesn't have to do anything with Mario's 'Yoshi'"?

Ray Jones
09-12-2006, 12:08 PM
I beat you all at Mario Kart. Not with Yoshi, though, but Toad.

And of course it's complete different, spoothead. Flealik is older and the original decent term, while Flealiks is complete overdone and overhyped. Even Felatiolak would be more clever than that.

DrMcCoy
09-12-2006, 12:20 PM
Pfff, you've got no sense of style whatsoever... "Flealiks" is clearly the superior terms, stupid.

Joshi
09-12-2006, 12:28 PM
Yes, this name that's been in my family for generations (so hundreds of years) must be a referance to a few decades old computer game character. :¬:

DrMcCoy
09-12-2006, 03:16 PM
Yes, this name that's been in my family for generations (so hundreds of years)

You never backed up that claim, you know...

DarthAve
09-12-2006, 05:19 PM
Well, anyone with sense would pronouce my family name as Josh-ee, but if, like my idiot 7th year math teacher, you decided to pronounce it Josh-aye then so be it... weirdo.

And Ave, feel free to add as many "e's" onto the end of my name as you like.
Okay Josheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeee.

I intend on changing my name when I get older. Cause Avery just doesn't suit me.

Ray Jones
09-13-2006, 04:03 AM
Yes, this name that's been in my family for generations (so hundreds of years) must be a referance to a few decades old computer game character. :¬:
Even hundreds of years ago, this game was one of the classics today. I don't know what evil plot against time you clan is into, but I will take care that this is to be put down, as soon as I changed history so that I am leader of the panty industry and thus have TAKEN ON TAR WORLD!!! (Mwaha.)

Joshi
09-13-2006, 04:54 AM
What the hell has Tar World ever done to you? They're just innocent Tar Dwelling people!

And McCoy, I'd back up my claim if I actually gave a flying rat's arse what you think.

Ray Jones
09-13-2006, 05:33 AM
Rats cannot fly, except you throw'em, but then it's only technically, maybe not even that, but never literally, because that's merely a mixture of -Whooshshsh!!- -IIIIIEEEEEEEK!!- and not -Fllyyyyyy!!-.

I'm not sure what it would be like if evolution gave them inertial dampers.

Joshi
09-13-2006, 05:53 AM
I never said rat's could fly... I said their arse could. Come on, didn't you see that special on the Discovery Channel?

Ray Jones
09-13-2006, 06:00 AM
I'd back up my claim if I actually gave a flying rat's arse
Clearly, you talk about the arse of a flying rat.

Joshi
09-13-2006, 06:27 AM
I could be talking about either the arse of a flying rat, or the flying arse of a rat.

Ray Jones
09-13-2006, 07:31 AM
Nope. There is no way you can turn it into something "the arse is flying but not the rat"-like. It says what it says: rat *and* arse are flying.
If you were talking about "a rat's flying arse" on the other hand, this would have let no doubt where you're coming from: Wherever the wind takes me... or failing that the nearest cinema -- Savvy?

Joshi
09-13-2006, 08:07 AM
You're not in my head, you don't know where I was coming from!

DrMcCoy
09-13-2006, 08:40 AM
You're not in my head, you don't know where I was coming from!

I chop down trees, I wear high heels,
Suspenders and a bra.
I wish I'd been a girlie
Just like my dear papa.

Ray Jones
09-13-2006, 09:05 AM
You're not in my head, you don't know where I was coming from!this would have let no doubt where you're coming fromI'd like to stress would have let no doubt from the statement I made in my last post as quoted above. This is clearly indicating that I wasn't near saying that I know at all, nor does it come anywhere near the meaning of 'no doubt left'.
And very obviously this leads inevitably to the conclusion: you're trying to hide something.
I mean all those theories about whacky maths and this small dot in your avatar which creates astouning three dimensional flare effects on lsd monitors and the mean things you and you're clan are going to have done to Yoshi's image for the last centuries.. c'mon, Joshi, be honest. There is some..secret..something..thing..and..secret..like.

Joshi
09-13-2006, 09:24 AM
It took you this long to figure that out?

Ray Jones
09-13-2006, 09:48 AM
Hey, don't know how about you, but I have to have sex on a regular and long lasting base. Not that I have enough time to follow every step you make to bring evil and lust. But now you've gone too far.

Joshi
09-13-2006, 11:06 AM
Ray, when are you going to just step up and admit you're a virgin.

Ray Jones
09-13-2006, 11:37 AM
Right after it reads "Status: Moderator" under my avatar. That or if it will cause that I'm gonna get laid. What ever happens first. XD

DrMcCoy
09-13-2006, 12:20 PM
*take off his bra*
*jumps on Ray*

TAKE ME, HERE AND NOW!

edlib
09-13-2006, 08:31 PM
Right after it reads "Status: Moderator" under my avatar...
The problem with you is that you don't think big enough... you set your sights too low.

Right after it reads "Status: SUPER-ADMIN, GOD-EMPEROR, and ULTRA-STUD!!!!!" under my avatar...

There. Corrected.

If you are going to dream the impossible, them you might as well dream big. :dozey:

Ray Jones
09-14-2006, 08:53 AM
TAKE ME, HERE AND NOW!:X Oh nööööööö! *dodge* *punch* *kick* *stab* *gun fire* *bomb release* *asteroid drop* *singularity involve* *universe collapse* *looooooooong shower*

Phheewwww. That was close.


you might as well dream big.Bii-iig? Well.. I.. hehe :dozey: mustn't dream *big*. XD

(Yer, I know, Neil, BIG SPORTS in here. No, I'd say a *fiveandahalf* year old could've done so.)

Joshi
09-14-2006, 09:13 AM
Wait... are you having a conversation with me without me actually contributing? My God, you've turned into my ex.

Ray Jones
09-14-2006, 10:32 AM
Waitaminute. Girls talk to you for conversational reasons?

Joshi
09-14-2006, 10:36 AM
More often than I'd like, yes. A simply question to my girl-friend (notice the hyphen) turns into an hour long conversation, wouldn't be as bad if we weren't ON THE PHONE! And then she text's me constantly after I hang up... even half an hour after I've told her I'm GOING TO BED! [/rant]

So, um... yes.

Why, would you like some tips on engaging a woman in conversation?

Ray Jones
09-14-2006, 11:01 AM
Hell, no, see I have a little daughter, I just need to show a picture and I'm into any conversation I'd like or can think of to be in. That, plus I'm really sexy and girls like me anyways.. but yes, tell your story.

DarthAve
09-14-2006, 05:42 PM
That, plus I'm really sexy and girls like me anyway.
...No.

You're not. You scare females.

Fealiks
09-14-2006, 06:26 PM
Corrected.

:dozey: No, McCoy, *I* came up with it.


Mine is pronounced Roais-tonee Gee Jeonice, I think, but maybe not, on the other hand.

To be honest, I wouldn't say bragging about "making up" a name for someone which suggests they lick fleas is a good idea. Stupid... mister ray.... gay bones... Gay Bones! Ha!

Ray Jones
09-15-2006, 03:41 AM
Gay Bones? :confused: I don't get it. How is that phonetically similar to Throat-Warbler Mangrove?

And who says you lick fleas? They lick you.

You scare females.Yes, but.. they like me?

DarthAve
09-15-2006, 05:07 PM
No. They, and I, don't like you like that. You're like....that creepy guy down the street who uses to much hair gel and says 'shagging'

Fealiks
09-15-2006, 06:08 PM
Yeah, Ray, didn't you notice that all the women you have sex with shout other people's names? Goat-Warmer Mangrope!

Joshi
09-18-2006, 04:58 AM
No. They, and I, don't like you like that. You're like....that creepy guy down the street who uses to much hair gel and says 'shagging'

So... he's... British?

Ray Jones
09-18-2006, 06:47 AM
No, that would be the Roy version! I'm the Ray version and say "Korrekt!", instead.

Joshi
09-18-2006, 08:00 AM
What happened to Roy?

Alien426
09-18-2006, 08:08 AM
Good riddance?

Joshi
09-18-2006, 08:35 AM
Afraid not, he's gone from the lands of MI (and the people rejoiced) but he's still on LF somewhere.

Das Mole
09-18-2006, 06:18 PM
check out roy's "location" (http://www.lucasforums.com/member.php?u=81917). seems to be that he likes creepy guys that say "shagging", AVE.

honestly, what do you have against people. you don't like chavs, you don't like creepy guys. psh. :tsk:

DarthAve
09-18-2006, 07:03 PM
I don't like anyone.

Accept my parents, Mashi An'Krekku, Smon, Max Fisher from Rushmore, My best friends Matt and Danielle, Das Mole, and the frenchman(Only for their pimp berets).

Das Mole
09-18-2006, 07:32 PM
what about me? ='[ *emo tear*

DarthAve
09-18-2006, 07:33 PM
You dislike Malan.

THAT MEANS YOU PHAIL!!

Das Mole
09-18-2006, 11:05 PM
oh pshaw.

i really want michael to win. i already saw the final 4 collections on some site, and his stuff was awesome. laura's was incredibly dull, the same black and white crap again. jeffrey's was all askew and just weird, and not in a "glamorous" way either. and uli's was nice but it was the same flowy dresses with "funky prints" again.

DarthAve
09-18-2006, 11:12 PM
A site.

IF YOU LINK, I'LL SO PUT YOU ON MY LIST!!

Das Mole
09-18-2006, 11:21 PM
uh....ya. (http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/FrameSet.aspx?s=ImagesSearchState%7c0%7c0%7c-1%7c28%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c1%7c%7c%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c0%7 c0%7c0%7c0%7c7%7c%7cproject+runway%7c2233391784121 335%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c0&p=7&tag=1)

DarthAve
09-18-2006, 11:39 PM
...I love you.

Das Mole
09-18-2006, 11:44 PM
not that i needed to hear that, but thanks i guess.

DarthAve
09-18-2006, 11:46 PM
No seriously. Spoilers I need to see because 4 weeks is too long to wait for 3 runway shows.

Somthing tells me Jeffrey goes home. His collection looks the cheapest. Or Laura leaves, she was the only one withough a swimsuit.

St. Jimmy
09-18-2006, 11:48 PM
I don't like anyone.

Accept my parents, Mashi An'Krekku, Smon, Max Fisher from Rushmore, My best friends Matt and Danielle, and the frenchman(Only for their pimp berets).
Ooh! Ave spelled something wrong!!! EXCEPT not accept. Unless that's what you meant to do.

DarthAve
09-18-2006, 11:53 PM
And what would that be, oh clouded grasshopper?

Das Mole
09-18-2006, 11:54 PM
No seriously. Spoilers I need to see because 4 weeks is too long to wait for 3 runway shows.

Somthing tells me Jeffrey goes home. His collection looks the cheapest. Or Laura leaves, she was the only one withough a swimsuit.

well, people were saying that laura's like another kara janx thing, where they let her do one but she wasn't in the final 3. and then that's why the rest have swimsuits, it's like the "13th look" that they had last year.

and then others said that maybe all 4 were in the final show since apparently heidi suggested that there "may not be just 3 designers in the end" or something.

i don't know how they're gonna drag this out for another 4 weeks but whatever =p

DarthAve
09-18-2006, 11:57 PM
I dunno. Michael had like, 3 swimsuits. So if prolly wasn't that 13th look.

Maybe it was suggested. Or everyone though they were being creative.

Samnmax221
09-18-2006, 11:59 PM
Roy??! You meen from Primal Fear, the movie I wished I'd never seen.

Ray Jones
09-19-2006, 04:32 AM
Roy is like the brother I never had, the father I never wanted, the sister I fell in love with and the mother who was an alien lifeform.

Shame on you all.

Joshi
09-19-2006, 04:52 AM
Roy is like the brother I never had, the father I never wanted, the sister I fell in love with and the mother who was an alien lifeform.


One of these is actually true... :¬: