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elTee
05-12-2004, 10:48 PM
Okay, this is what I thought I knew before today's E3 announcement:

1. The New Zelda game would be cel-shaded
2. The New Zelda game would be on the oceans again, like Wind Waker

This is what I now know:

1. The New Zelda game is not cel-shaded
2. The New Zelda game is set in Hyrule
3. The New Zelda game is my new favourite game of all time

OH MY GOD

This is the trailer for the new Zelda game. Nintendo are the best EVER (http://www.game-media.com/GCN/VIDEOS/New%20Zelda/zelda_hiquality.mov)

Huz
05-13-2004, 11:27 AM
This is what I thought before and after:

1. The new Zelda game would be cel-shaded.
2. The new Zelda game SHOULD be cel-shaded because it looks all nice like that.

And here's what I know now!
1. The new Zelda game will not be cel-shaded!
2. I like it that way!

I don't really want to know much else though, because the game should be as big a surprise as possible. And succumbing to hype is baaaad.

The Tingler
05-13-2004, 11:44 AM
I don't believe you! Not cel-shaded? Let's have a look at that video...

On another note, shouldn't this be in a different area? I suppose... General...

elTee
05-13-2004, 01:05 PM
Who's the admin here baby?

I mean... well, I'll move it later. Shh.

The Tingler
05-13-2004, 01:19 PM
I knew we were living in a dictatorship.
Seen the screenshots.
Oh my god... there is a god!

Alien426
05-13-2004, 03:27 PM
Uhhhh-huh... I guess.
What's with the Riders Of Doom (http://www.basil-poledouris.com/basil/projects/conanthebarbarian/index.html) rip-off? And how is the trailer impressive?

I'll be called a philistine, but I don't get this guy with a gnome hat. Is the game cutesy, or what?

Lundquist
05-13-2004, 03:55 PM
huh? So, if it's set in Hyrule it must take place before Wind Waker. The way that looks is how Wind Waker looked before they decided to go with cellshading.
I Wonder why they'd go back to the old format?

The Tingler
05-14-2004, 08:18 AM
I'll be called a philistine, but I don't get this guy with a gnome hat. Is the game cutesy, or what?

You've never played a 3D Legend of Zelda game, have you? Or if you have, for more than five minutes?

The trailer is impressive to any LOZ fan who knows what Nintendo are capable of. Now we have a hint that they are listening to the critics of The Wind Waker. That's what's exciting.

I do not think this is Wind Waker 2. In fact, it looks more like Ocarina of Time 2.
If I had to take a wild guess, I would say that it happens after Young Link (from Majora's Mask) grows up, either in Hyrule or a new place. It has to be a prequel to Wind Waker.
The line "will the light fade and the darkness win?" (or something like that) makes me think of the opening of Wind Waker. Maybe it is set in that time when Ganon managed to take over, but in an alternate universe when the Hero DID appear.

And I can't believe I'm talking about this in a LucasArts forum.

spaceship789
05-14-2004, 08:46 AM
hmmn...I think Nintendo still should make *some* game that is cel shaded.

I love the Cel shaded look.

They should aim for graphics like that Robbie Williams "Let Love Be Your Energy" video clip that blew us all away in 2001.

..atleast those that saw it.

The Tingler
05-14-2004, 01:51 PM
If we're taking bets, I say that this isn't the promised "Wind Waker 2", which is probably going to use the cel-shaded WW engine and is going to come out later next year, but this Zelda will be for N5/GC2, like Mario 128 is almost definitely going to.

Alien426
05-14-2004, 03:15 PM
There's a new trailer!!! This one convinced me. I'll buy a console and I NEED THAT GAME!!

Watch it here (http://www.litespeedcomputers.com/NX/movies/Commercials/Zelda%20-%20First%20Commercial.mpeg).

The Tingler
05-14-2004, 04:25 PM
Cute.

Never really liked the 2D Zeldas though.

manny_c444
05-14-2004, 06:21 PM
I'm sad its abandoning the art style. WW was the best Zelda of all time, and these graphics are a step backward. They're so damn simple....but this game isn't coming out until after next years E3 atleast, so it could improve.

Skinkie
05-14-2004, 11:32 PM
I'm gonna say it, I thought cel-shading was a bad look for Zelda. It seemed to cutesy it up too much, it looked like the graphics had decayed since the last game. I know, I'm crazy, but that's the way I feel.

Monkey Mania
05-15-2004, 12:50 AM
I agree Skinkie, the new zelda will be great.


All you people who bash zelda don't know what you're missing, it is a great series.

GregD
05-17-2004, 12:39 PM
The movie link appears to be down, anyone know if I can grab it from somewhere else? (the first mov video i mean)

bgbennyboy
05-17-2004, 01:35 PM
'ere (http://zeldapower.com/zelda2004.wmv)

GregD
05-17-2004, 02:10 PM
Cheers matey.

The trailer looks awesome, I much prefer the 3D style to cell shaded. Anyone know if this is gonna be a GC title or a new Nintendo console title?

bgbennyboy
05-17-2004, 03:11 PM
According to this (http://zeldapower.com/?page=e3_2004) its for gc. Back of the bloody net! :D

GregD
05-17-2004, 03:17 PM
Blugh dunno if ill buy a GC just for this... the console doesnt have much going for it other the odd mario game and zelda titles.

elTee
05-17-2004, 04:07 PM
Man, the Gamecube is the best console there is. The new Zelda will be out in Japan before the next E3, and will definately be for the current Nintendo console. So :p

The Tingler
05-17-2004, 04:31 PM
Do you want a list of reasons why GameCube is the best console?

1. Super Mario Sunshine. Yes, not as good as 64, but still shows just what a pure gaming experience is meant to look like.
2. The Wind Waker. We've mentioned that. Finest game ever made, especially since it came bundled with Ocarina of Time and Master Quest.
(note to MI fans - didn't Windfall Island (if you ignore the sail) feel a little bit adventure-game-ish?)
3. Metroid Prime. No, not a true FPS. It's better than that. Arguably better than the two games above, but I wouldn't be the one to argue that point - just the most original out of the three.
4. Mario Kart: Double Dash. Finest multiplayer racing game ever, if you ignore the other Mario Karts.
5. Super Smash Bros Melee. Still my most-played GC game and finest multiplayer fighting game ever, bar none. Too many evenings have been devoted to this...
6. The Wavebird. Yes, it's a pad, but you'll think wires look stupid after getting one of these.
7. Eternal Darkness. A truly creepy tale told well, featuring half of LucasArts' voice talent (Earl Boen as a detective and the guy who runs the perfume stall in EFMI as a tough Indiana-Jones-alike, for example) and a bad guy who is actually Skeletor, complete with a Frank Langella-like voice. A masterpiece of terror and imagination.
8. Resident Evil. The remake is shock-horror perfection, and 4 looks set to wipe the floor with Outbreak. 0's not too bad, too.
9. Luigi's Mansion, Pikmin, Animal Crossing, Harvest Moon... the GC is home to the most original games out there.
10. Viewtiful Joe. "Henshin-a-go-go, baby!" Classic. Who said 2D side-scrolling beat-em-ups were dead, or incapable of innovation?
11. Rogue Leader. Yes, it's fun. Had to have a LA game in there somewhere.
There are damn loads more (not to mention certain sequels to games mentioned above), but I'll let others (LucasTones?) have a say.
XBox=cheap PC and Halo Co-operative (which rivals Smash Bros for my most-played multiplayer game).
PS2=Devil May Cry, Gran Turismo 4, Pro Evo Soccer (if that's your thing), and Transformers.
In my opinion. Note that down.

I'm sceptical about the new LOZ appearing on GC though. Imagine N5 launching with Mario 128 and this real Zelda. I say that the cel-shaded Wind Waker 2 is still to come...

elTee
05-17-2004, 05:03 PM
Nintendo said they've done a lot of work on Mario 128 and no-one really knows about it. Remember when one day they showed everyone Mario Kart Double Dash and said "a couple of months, then its done" - it was so sudden.

GregD
05-17-2004, 05:05 PM
4 mario titles 1 zelda title in your list.. which is only 11 titles long, so this proves my point. There isnt much going for it other than these.

Resident Evil has generally been done to death already on PS/PS2.

Rogue Leader is Star Wars therefore predictable and has also been done to death..

The others I can't comment on since I havent heard of them or played them.

What is GC anyway a 64bit console? Since I thought N64 was.

elTee
05-17-2004, 05:11 PM
From the horses' mouth (http://www.nintendo.com/gamemini?gameid=54610f14-1826-4d46-9981-8f72874aee2e&) - "In 2005, Link will be let loose on a new and exciting Nintendo GameCube excursion to fight evil and seek treasure. Stay tuned for more information!"

You can't say Rogue Leader is predictable and "been done to death" just because its Star Wars. For one, its set in the original universe, which hasn't really been done properly since X-Wing and Tie Fighter on the PC. As a flight sim its amazing fun, not to mention the graphics. If you're a Star Wars fan then the little touches like the original cast recordings and orchestral score are a nice touch too.

Out of the three next-gen consoles, the best platformer is easily Super Mario Sunshine. The best multiplayer game is between Mario Kart and Super Smash Bros., and the best overall game is Wind Waker by a country mile.

:p

PS. How the hell could it be a 64 bit console? Have you even seen the graphics on Mario Sunshine compared to Mario 64? Have you compared the Zelda trailer graphics to the graphics in Majoras Mask and Ocarina of Time?? Jeez

GregD
05-17-2004, 07:21 PM
It's Star Wars therefore it's evil

I am confused as to what the GC is because:

"Imagine N5 launching with Mario 128"

Now N5 I assume is the new nintendo console which is 128bit... so what does that make GC? Or am i totally getting wrong end of the stick here.

theholyidiot
05-17-2004, 07:36 PM
I think he meant because everyone is talking about Mario 128. I have to admit, I haven't heard of this one before, as I bought my cube for Rouge Leader, SSBM, and Zelda. It's been kinda confusing me too, because the gamecube IS 128 bit, why are you all talking about Mario 128 as if it'll be on the next system? Wouldn't that be Mario 256?

Anyway, I've gotta advocate getting a gamecube. It's really the only system that has truly exclusive games. If a game does well on the other systems, they'll port it to PC eventually (GTA3/VC or Halo, for example). Nintendo has the licenced characters that can't be put on any other system, so of the consoles it's the most worthwhile. You can get any of the games really worth playing on X-Box or PS2 for cheaper on PC. The best games on the 'cube are ONLY on the cube, so get one. It's cheaper than the other systems too.

One last note: What's wrong with the 2d Zeldas? I bought both Oracle games when I didn't even have a game boy, just so that I could play them when I got one. I got an SP when it came out, and so far, all I've played are the 4 gameboy zeldas and DKC.I have to admit, the Console 2d zeldas are a little clumsy, but if done right, as the GB ones have been, they are some of the best games you can find. So yeah. That's it for me.

GregD
05-18-2004, 06:33 AM
Yea exactly.. Why call it mario 128 when the current nintendo console is 128bit... this is why I assumed GC was 64bit....

Alien426
05-18-2004, 08:00 AM
The GameCube's 64 bit (http://www.consoleinfo.co.uk/gamecube.html).

GregD
05-18-2004, 09:36 AM
Originally posted by Alien426
The GameCube's 64 bit (http://www.consoleinfo.co.uk/gamecube.html).

Thanks for that piece of information kind sir..... Excuse me one second..

Ahem.

Originally posted by Lucastones
PS. How the hell could it be a 64 bit console?


*Turns head to Lucastones... sticks tongue out* NYANYANYANYANYAA NYAAAAAAA whos yo daddy now b*tch :p :D

One of developers said this also:

"The GC's Gekko processor is 32-Bit, with a 64-Bit FPU.

I code for the Gamecube, so it's safe for me to say it's a 32-Bit CPU.

(The XBOX as well (duh?), The PS2 _does_ have a 128-Bit main CPU)


Having a 128-Bit GPU doesn't make a console '128-Bit' BTW."

The Tingler
05-18-2004, 03:07 PM
The name "Mario 128" comes from three areas:
1. The nickname, used by various magazines and websites, to describe the next proper 3D Mario game. (which in itself stems from...)
2. The demo used to show the graphical power of the GameCube featuring 128 Marios, which was said to be the engine running the next proper Mario game.
3. Mario 64 2. Or, Mario 64 x 2=128. Mario 128. Sunshine is more of an add-on pack.
Saying Mario 128 will be on N5 (one nickname for the next Ninty console) is an act of pessimism on my part. Nintendo has been promising it for GC for ages, but it has still failed to materialised and their next console really needs to launch with a decent Mario title this time.

You can get any of the games really worth playing on X-Box or PS2 for cheaper on PC. The best games on the 'cube are ONLY on the cube, so get one. It's cheaper than the other systems too.

There you go. If you want the best games, you have to have a GC.
ONLY 11 points?! Like I said: I was TIRED! I made that list with my brain turned off. I was hoping some kindly forumites would add a few more to that list to save me doing it.
Make a PS2 and Xbox one while you're at it. Exclusives only, please.
(I've never heard the word "Only" in connection to Metroid Prime and The Wind Waker before)

"In 2005, Link will be let loose on a new and exciting Nintendo GameCube excursion to fight evil and seek treasure. Stay tuned for more information!"

Excellent. I shall change immediately.

4 mario titles 1 zelda title in your list
(God I hate over-quoting - damn you and your diabolical debate skills!)
Yes, because Legend of Zelda Kart: Double Dash isn't out yet.
Super Smash Bros is just a catchy title. It is NOT a "Mario" game. Popular misconception, don't worry about it.
Luigi's Mansion isn't really a Mario game.
Just because Nintendo throws about Mario's name a lot to sell games (Mario Kart, Tennis, Golf, Party, Paint...) doesn't make them "Mario" games.
Actually, there's three Zelda games in there. 2 and a hard mode if we're getting technical.

Amazing how some people comment on games without even playing them. Saying "it doesn't interest me" is fair enough, but
saying:
Resident Evil has generally been done to death already on PS/PS2. Rogue Leader is Star Wars therefore predictable and has also been done to death.
then saying "I can't really comment" is a bit of a contradiction. You're dismissing these games (Res Evil in particular is the finest version available) on the basis of other games on other consoles, which if I did that I'd never have bought my much loved N64. I couldn't stand the SNES and the 2D Mario and Zeldas.

GregD
05-19-2004, 05:50 AM
Originally posted by The Tingler
(God I hate over-quoting - damn you and your diabolical debate skills!)
Yes, because Legend of Zelda Kart: Double Dash isn't out yet.
Super Smash Bros is just a catchy title. It is NOT a "Mario" game. Popular misconception, don't worry about it.
Luigi's Mansion isn't really a Mario game.
Just because Nintendo throws about Mario's name a lot to sell games (Mario Kart, Tennis, Golf, Party, Paint...) doesn't make them "Mario" games.
Actually, there's three Zelda games in there. 2 and a hard mode if we're getting technical.

Amazing how some people comment on games without even playing them. Saying "it doesn't interest me" is fair enough, but
saying:

then saying "I can't really comment" is a bit of a contradiction. You're dismissing these games (Res Evil in particular is the finest version available) on the basis of other games on other consoles, which if I did that I'd never have bought my much loved N64. I couldn't stand the SNES and the 2D Mario and Zeldas.

Smash bros has mario characs in it... thus it is a mario based game :P

Its a mario game as long as it uses at least one of the characs from the saga... It's only original if it's completely new characs imo.

Look ive played 4 res evil games... I have had my fair share of the horror shock genre, another one of these titles does not interest me in the slightest. The game developers are hardly likely to come up with some original gameplay... it will just be a new story and same gameplay.

I cant say anything about the original titles because I haven't played them, that's a fair comment in my opinion. I can't say if they are good or bad. This does not mean I am not willing to give them a try.

The Tingler
05-20-2004, 10:47 AM
Smash bros has mario characs in it... thus it is a mario based game :P

And Link. And Young Link. And Zelda. And Ganondorf. And Tingler (sorry, Tingle). And a cool orchestrated version of the Legend of Zelda theme.
Not to mention Samus (Metroid), Ness (Earthbound), Kirby, Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Marth & Roy (Fire Emblem), Captain Falcon (F-Zero), even the bloody Ice Climbers. It's a Nintendo Collection, not a Mario Game.

I'll let you off from Resident Evil though. 4 is still looking fantastically different though. No zombies in it, apparently.

GregD
05-20-2004, 07:12 PM
Originally posted by The Tingler
And Link. And Young Link. And Zelda. And Ganondorf. And Tingler (sorry, Tingle). And a cool orchestrated version of the Legend of Zelda theme.
Not to mention Samus (Metroid), Ness (Earthbound), Kirby, Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Marth & Roy (Fire Emblem), Captain Falcon (F-Zero), even the bloody Ice Climbers. It's a Nintendo Collection, not a Mario Game.

I'll let you off from Resident Evil though. 4 is still looking fantastically different though. No zombies in it, apparently.

Ok then ill call it even and say smash bros is not a mario game since you are letting me off resident evil :D

No zombies... hmm well I guess it must be boring for the designers to always put in generic zombies which dont do much anyway.