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Evil Dark Jedi
05-15-2004, 02:39 AM
I saw the trailer and it seems that the at-at are the right size!any other comments



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Eagle Warrior
05-15-2004, 07:30 AM
yes i am very pleased on there size but one fact disterbed me why did a at-at blow up without a snowspeeder ever wraping a cable around it. unless i couldn't see the cable it just blew up then it got shot at:( and did they move fast for at-ats:cool:

Fleab
05-15-2004, 09:06 AM
rememeber in the hoth battle with luke his lightsaber and thermal detonater?:D

Schetter
05-15-2004, 10:38 AM
Things are going to be tweaked for increased balance in the game. If the AT-ATs were as invincible as in the movie, Empire would win that battle every time. It looks like they may have coded in weak spots in the armor that you could hit and cause some damage with med/heavy laser cannons - maybe the 'neck' and 'knees' of the AT-AT are soft spots...

VanLingo
05-15-2004, 12:08 PM
Plus, this game will have elements that ESB never had.

Examples:
Shoulder-mounted proton torpedo launchers
X-wings

Proton torps and X-wings could easily bring down an AT-AT.

Also, who knows -- maybe Luke is the special ability that the Rebels can use on Hoth. It's a possibility that he can pull an ESB move on them.

tFighterPilot
05-15-2004, 03:59 PM
For the love of mod, THERE ARE NO X-WINGS ON HOTH

The recent trailers prooved it

Eagle Warrior
05-15-2004, 04:27 PM
how?? it jsut didnt show any. the only ship we say was snowspeeders. you never know:D

Isair
05-15-2004, 04:27 PM
Maybe that's because the only ship intended was the snow speeder? Yet again, we don't know yet.

Eagle Warrior
05-15-2004, 04:29 PM
ya i think they will have x-wings since it is in the movie then it will be in here

tFighterPilot
05-15-2004, 04:49 PM
There were no X-Wings in the battle of hoth, X-Wings were only used for space combat in the movies.

In the game, they will be used for the less importent battles (any other battle but the battle of hoth)

Eagle Warrior
05-15-2004, 05:01 PM
i mean in the books and games

tFighterPilot
05-15-2004, 05:10 PM
You mean Extended Universe, well [censored] it! The EU can mother[censored] go to [censored] hell!

Eagle Warrior
05-15-2004, 05:57 PM
no:( the books have x-wings in it and the games they made too

tFighterPilot
05-15-2004, 06:12 PM
Books + Games + Anything that isn't the movies = Extended Universe

Gabrobot
05-15-2004, 06:17 PM
Star Wars: Battlefront = Game = EU :p

tFighterPilot
05-15-2004, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by Gabrobot
Star Wars: Battlefront = Game = EU :p Perhaps, but one that goes strictly by the movies

Eagle Warrior
05-15-2004, 06:26 PM
i think there will be x-wings why wouldn't there be. where there are rebels there are x-wings:D

tFighterPilot
05-15-2004, 06:44 PM
In space that is

Eagle Warrior
05-15-2004, 07:11 PM
no the x-wings were helping the transports escape.

Dagobahn Eagle
05-15-2004, 09:10 PM
Tow cables aren't the only thing that can bring AT-ATs down (see the thread I posted).

yes i am very pleased on there size but one fact disterbed me why did a at-at blow up without a snowspeeder ever wraping a cable around it.
Why exactly does that disturb you? Because you don't think there's any other way to stop an AT-AT than to wrap a cable around it? Or because you want BF to give up accuracy and realism like Rogue Squadron III did just to "fit the movies"? In that case, you disagree with me. I want open-ended, realistic game play.

A star destroyer can be blown up with torpedoes, so I suppose there's a SMALL chance AT-ATs can, too...rolleyes:

and did they move fast for at-ats[quote]
No. AT-ATs move at a speed of 20Km/h. Human running speed.

[quote]You mean Extended Universe, well [censored] it! The EU can mother[censored] go to [censored] hell![quote]
May I ask why? Apart from the fact that BF is extended universe...:p

EU does have a lot of accurate details in it. If you're saying it's not canon, well, prove it.

[quote]Proton torps and X-wings could easily bring down an AT-AT.
Bullseye. Thanks. And Echo Station was defended by a line of heavy anti-vehicle laser cannons, too.

Huntsman
05-15-2004, 09:29 PM
[i]Bullseye. Thanks. And Echo Station was defended by a line of heavy anti-vehicle laser cannons, too. [/B]

...that were apparently there for no other reason than to look cool since they couldn't damage anything. I mean really why bother with such a defense parimeter if you know the vehicles the Imperials use would be impervious to them.

I would hope that in Battlefront that are at least SOMEWHAT more effective against the walkers.

Isair
05-15-2004, 09:51 PM
Yeah in the movie, the chain of laser defence turrets were really useless against them and often ended up being blown to pieces. Is it known whether we man them or are they automatic? Although I mostly fully expect them to be manned if they are included. (Which they should)

GorillaPaws
05-16-2004, 08:40 AM
The main point of this game is to be fun. The only way to achieve this is to have balance, and the at-at's are inherently unbalanced if you go by the movies. This being the case, I would thnk that the at-at's should have some vunulerabilaties (other than the tow cable and thermal detonator into the hatch deal) so that the empire won't always slaughter the rebels. I know that some of you are purists and would like the game to faithfully re-create the movies, but I don't think it will be much fun if the rebels can't ever bring down the at-at's (except for the insanely difficult methods used in the movies). I would think that whenever it comes down to game balance and fun vs. reinacting the films, Battlefront will probably take some liberties with the "history" of the movies to balance it out.

tFighterPilot
05-16-2004, 09:44 AM
It will be balanced, if the guys that fly the snow speeder (me for example) would do better job than the guys that did it in the movies.

About the X-Wings being used for transport. Yes, they were used, after the battle of hoth, and the S-Foils were closed all the time.

Ewok Homie
05-16-2004, 02:51 PM
Well if you go to the official website for star wars battlefront it will show one of the rebels controling the turret. So yes i think they will be manned.

Dagobahn Eagle
05-16-2004, 03:13 PM
About the X-Wings being used for transport. Yes, they were used, after the battle of hoth, and the S-Foils were closed all the time.
Would you mind re-phrasing that? I really did not understand.

Again, remember that AT-ATs were used in other places than on Hoth. Otherwise, that'd imply that the AT-ATs were designed purely for the battle of Hoth, right (actually, Hoth was the first major assault they took part in, but they were designed and built (by Colonel Veers) before the base on Hoth was discovered)?

Oh, and if they are impervious to lasers and torpedoes, that means their armour is stronger than that of Star Destroyers -not very realistic?

Look, I don't think AT-ATs were made specifically for Hoth and fitted with a thicker armour plating than star destroyers. I just do not. Thus, defensive turrets should be able to blow them up.

Yes, you saw some shots hitting and not destroying the AT-AT, but then again, you see a lot of that in Star Wars. A Star Destroyer can defeat a Frigate, yet over Endor you see the Frigate in a firefight with a Star Destroyer without either ship's lasers blowing the hull plating of the other ship apart. Oh, and those speeders DID blow up that crashed AT-AT. What do you have to say to that?

Look, my point is that making AT-ATs impervious to anything else than tow cables, that'd make for very narrow game play. It seems to me that you're afraid of not getting to use your tow cable on AT-ATs, but don't worry, you're sure to get your chance. Can't imagine it'll be easy, though, with AT-ATs and AT-STs and snowtroopers firing at you at once plus the risk of getting hit by friendly fire (from the defensive turrets). I'd rather be a soldier in the trench:D.

As for them being ineffective (the turrets behind the trenches, that is): What about AT-STs and infantry? And as for there being no purpose of having them: Would you rather have no defenses than weak defenses?

Eagle

tFighterPilot
05-16-2004, 03:48 PM
I might've missed something. Who said that AT ATs were made for the battle of hoth? :confused:

Eagle Warrior
05-16-2004, 09:16 PM
it was guarded by anti-air fire i know also by x-wings aslo it had ion cannons that also covered teh fleeying transports.

SITH_ShadowCat
05-16-2004, 09:41 PM
Oh, and if they are impervious to lasers and torpedoes, that means their armour is stronger than that of Star Destroyers -not very realistic?

I'm more then lightly betting that torpedoes CAN take down an AT-AT, its just we've never seen it happen in the movies. The AT-ATs aren't impervious to lasers either, I'm just more then lightly betting it would take some time to do it, just like a Star Destroyer. If you've ever played the Star Wars Space-sims (which are by far better then any of Rouge Squadron games), then you'd know that its possible to take out a Star Destroyer with lasers, but it would take aaaaa llllooooonnnggg time do to the strong shields and hull. I think the same goes for the AT-ATs, if you want, you can take it with blasters, you just better have some patience.

joesdomain
05-17-2004, 01:21 AM
No one really knows if the AT-AT Walkers were damaged at all or in a small way by the laser turrents in TESB. It just didn't do enough physical damage to show the audience member. For balance, Battlefront must has other ways to take down AT-AT Walkers besides Tow cables from Snowspeeders. Because those are the hardest things to do in games like Rogue Squadron. When I got to the battle of Hoth in the first rogue squadron I could never get around the walkers without crashing into the ground or into the at-at walkers. I personally don't want to spend all my time trying to beat the Hoth Map that way. Either the laser turrents be more powerful in the game or add X-wings and/or Y-wings to the Hoth map and/or add a trooper with some type of anti-vehicle weapon.

tFighterPilot
05-17-2004, 08:00 AM
Originally posted by joesdomain
Because those are the hardest things to do in games like Rogue Squadron. When I got to the battle of Hoth in the first rogue squadron I could never get around the walkers without crashing into the ground or into the at-at walkers. I personally don't want to spend all my time trying to beat the Hoth Map that way.. That's cuz you suck.

Alegis
05-17-2004, 03:06 PM
I stronly agree with danobahn that the explosions from the fighters you see in the trailer are *star wars realistic*, beeing stronger than star destroyers is ridiculous...

note that its difficult to import everything from the movie in the game cause in the game: each faction has to be as strong as the otherwith equalp layers, and in the movies it aint like it. Rebels won with luck and few extraordinary dudes. Rebels got pwned badly on hoth, its supposed to be a good equal fight in sw:bf so no, you wont 100% relive the movie

pink lightsaber
05-17-2004, 04:07 PM
haven't been here for a while but anyway tfighterpilot if you don't want the x-wings in hoth don't fly them. If you are worried about it being unbalanced fly the tie. there ya go.:)

tFighterPilot
05-18-2004, 08:17 AM
Originally posted by pink lightsaber
haven't been here for a while but anyway tfighterpilot if you don't want the x-wings in hoth don't fly them. If you are worried about it being unbalanced fly the tie. there ya go.:) Nor ties nor x-wings will be there, I know it.

Mountainforest
05-18-2004, 11:36 AM
I agree tFighterpilot.

Lucasarts wants to recreate the battles from the movies, so not all vehicles will be available on each map.


And about the balancing isseu, maybe the maps aren't balanced (so they empire could easely take out the rebel base on Hoth).

It could be both sides have different obiectives. In that case, the rebels have to hold the base for a surden time (all ships have to take of) and the imperials have to take the base before the time is up. (So It isn't unfair if the Imperials are better).

But that doesn't mean I think tow cables are the only way to take an AT-AT out. Shooting should do the trick too, you'll just have to take your time.

Eagle Warrior
05-20-2004, 07:37 AM
that is why you need x-wing:D. Ok tell me why the rebels would not have x-wings. LUKE ESCAPED IN A X-WING.;)

yaebginn
05-20-2004, 08:26 AM
At ats can get hurt by torps and lasers. its just that the snowspeeders lasers were too weak. If you read Isard's Revenge, you see not only that they are used not only for hoth, but that they can easily be taken down by xwings. oh, and an at at was seen on endor as well.

Eagle Warrior
05-20-2004, 12:25 PM
you just noticed it:( :eek::D

yaebginn
05-20-2004, 01:52 PM
noticed what?

tFighterPilot
05-20-2004, 02:28 PM
Yeah, it was used to bring luke to Vader, but not in the battle.

yaebginn
05-20-2004, 02:46 PM
it coulda been used in battle, it was somewhere in the back.

Mountainforest
05-20-2004, 02:49 PM
The way I see it, X-wings are space fighters and snowspeeders land fighters. That's why you don't see a X-wing taking out an AT-AT, and why snowspeeders weren't evolved in the destruction of the death star.

I don't say there were no X-wings on Hoth, they're just not used for the AT-AT's, but for escaping from the planet, wich probably isn't an aspect of the Hoth map.

And even IF X-wings are used for land battles, they weren't doining that on Hoth, and because the developers like the game to be like the movies, they wouldn't do that in the game either.

Evil Dark Jedi
05-23-2004, 01:46 AM
Wow i didnt think this post would attract so may posts and i only wanted people to tell me what they thinked of the at-ats being the right size not what they can be taken down with and of there being x-wings on hoth or not.



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tFighterPilot
05-23-2004, 07:00 AM
Originally posted by Evil Dark Jedi
Wow i didnt think this post would attract so may posts and i only wanted people to tell me what they thinked of the at-ats being the right size not what they can be taken down with and of there being x-wings on hoth or not.



:bdroid2: You made the thread, but you don't own it.

Evil Dark Jedi
06-02-2004, 08:47 AM
Originally posted by tFighterPilot
You made the thread, but you don't own it.


What do you mean by that?

tFighterPilot
06-02-2004, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by Evil Dark Jedi
What do you mean by that? I mean he made the thread, he doesn't own it

Evil Dark Jedi
06-15-2004, 02:12 AM
Originally posted by tFighterPilot
I mean he made the thread, he doesn't own it

Still dont get you



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joesdomain
06-21-2004, 02:24 AM
I think they should scale the vehicles to an apprioate scale so that it looks and feels like the movie.

Nevhision
06-21-2004, 10:50 AM
or at least big enough so it doesn't take a master pilot to trip them.

JamesNI
06-21-2004, 11:58 AM
Basically, the fact is, on Hoth, rebels did indeed have X-Wings.. so nothing can stop them being used in the game, if they are available. Just because they weren't used in the movie, don't mean they shouldn't be used in the game.

Another thougt.. what if Hoth map had the same objective as in the movie.. which is to hold of the advancing Imperials untill Hoth can be evacuated? Give it like, a time limit, I don't know.. say.. 20 mins.. The Imperials have to get to the base and hold it to win, the Rebels must defend.. Like.. in Socom2.. the missions you have to breach and plant the bomb, the terrorists just have to stop it.
Maybe 20 mins is too short.. too long.. but, in this instance, then yeah, why not have AT-ATs stronger?

tFighterPilot
06-21-2004, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by JamesNI
Basically, the fact is, on Hoth, rebels did indeed have X-Wings.. so nothing can stop them being used in the game, if they are available. Just because they weren't used in the movie, don't mean they shouldn't be used in the game.
If they could be used they would be used the fact that they weren't is probably for a reason.

$Michiel$
06-21-2004, 01:55 PM
I think they were busy escorting all those big ships.

And maybe they dont work to well against ATAT's either.

yaebginn
06-21-2004, 02:05 PM
They do work well against them. They have more powerful lasers than the snow speeders, are more manueverable, and have missiles. In Isards Revenge, Rogue Squadron easily took a few out.

Sharpshooter
06-21-2004, 03:00 PM
Yea tfighter but the point is they weren't just in hoth.:D

tFighterPilot
06-21-2004, 03:02 PM
What the x-wings? Of course not!

Mountainforest
06-21-2004, 03:10 PM
The game has something to do with ticker strokes, the imps probably have to take over the base before theirs is finished. Rebels have to defend the place.

And I know that the movies are not always exactly the same as the game, we've seen that in a lot of other games (galactic battlegrounds for example).

Sharpshooter
06-21-2004, 03:49 PM
I meant the AT-ATS! Please stay on topic!:fett:

Kratt
06-23-2004, 11:07 AM
I think It would be Gay if X-wing Or ties are in the hoth level.
I agree with Tfighterpilot it wouldent be true to the movies.
Also you only see the At-At's take a very few hits of the defencive turrets. Who's to say prolonged shooting wont bring down a Walker?:atat: [COLOR=darkblue][FONT=courier new]

Sharpshooter
06-23-2004, 01:10 PM
What if you could hijack AT-ATS and AT-ST from the Imperials?:D

tFighterPilot
06-23-2004, 01:42 PM
no.

Master William
06-23-2004, 02:15 PM
In Rebel Strike for Gamecube you get to fly X-Wing after disabling all the AT-AT's on Hoth. But that happens in high air, it's so high I couldn't even see the ground when flying down, barely. So I'm guessing that's sort of EU part, we didn't get to see it, but while Rebels attempted to flee TIE-Fighters may have attacked in the high sky.

Tyler_Durden
06-23-2004, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by Kratt
I think It would be Gay if X-wing Or ties are in the hoth level.
I agree with Tfighterpilot it wouldent be true to the movies.
Also you only see the At-At's take a very few hits of the defencive turrets. Who's to say prolonged shooting wont bring down a Walker?:atat: [COLOR=darkblue][FONT=courier new]


Who knew that Star Wars had a sexual orientation? Is Gay good or bad? Oh yeah, and i don't think there are xwings used in hoth. Also, i believe there are two levels that take place on hoth. One is the attack on hoth with the At-At's, speeders and such. Then there is the evacuation of hoth where the rebels must get to their ships and evacuate while holding off imperial troops. If i remember correctly, this was stressed in a recent interview but i can't remember where.

yaebginn
06-23-2004, 04:06 PM
please try to remember, I havent read that and I'd really like to.

CortoCG
06-30-2004, 06:17 PM
In Rogue Leader you get to fly an Xwing in order to destroy tie bombers bombarding the rebel transports.

ibanez343
06-30-2004, 07:07 PM
Originally posted by tFighterPilot
There were no X-Wings in the battle of hoth, X-Wings were only used for space combat in the movies.

In the game, they will be used for the less importent battles (any other battle but the battle of hoth)

If x-wings are used in space battles than where do you suppose they will show up in battlefront? They are in the game and there is no space maps, it is very likely they could be in the battle of hoth.

tFighterPilot
06-30-2004, 07:17 PM
Originally posted by ibanez343
If x-wings are used in space battles than where do you suppose they will show up in battlefront? They are in the game and there is no space maps, it is very likely they could be in the battle of hoth. I think they only be in tatooine, no one care about this place anyway

Xirion
07-01-2004, 07:51 AM
yeah good thought

fuzzyfreaker
07-01-2004, 12:39 PM
i think there could be x-wings on the map. It sure would even things out a bit. You could also give the imps TIE Fighters. Have a little air battle going on too. Also, did anybody notice the millenium falcon in the hoth movie? At least, it looked like the Millenium Falcon...

tFighterPilot
07-01-2004, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by fuzzyfreaker
i think there could be x-wings on the map. It sure would even things out a bit. You could also give the imps TIE Fighters. Have a little air battle going on too. Also, did anybody notice the millenium falcon in the hoth movie? At least, it looked like the Millenium Falcon... Don't get too excited, most chances it is a static model.

Huntsman
07-01-2004, 08:34 PM
Here's the deal, there will likely NOT be any X wings on Hoth. The ATATs will be in and very powerful but there will be a limited # of them. They will likely be destroyable by the turrets and the snow speeders but it will take quite a few shots though a concerted effort from snow speeders and turrets may be required to bring one down. Also, to even things up they move slowly.

Further, as someone above mentioned, this will be an assault map and the base to be assaulted is undergroud. Therefore, the ATATs will be transpoeration and at best mobile spawn points. Once they arrive at the entrance, taking the lion share of the flags will probably have to be done on foot as the ATATs aren't just gonna be able to stroll inside.

I feel pretty comfortable saying this will be the format of the Hoth map.

Evil Dark Jedi
07-03-2004, 05:35 AM
Originally posted by Sharpshooter
What if you could hijack AT-ATS and AT-ST from the Imperials?:D


You can do that but only with the pilot i think


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fuzzyfreaker
07-03-2004, 05:40 AM
well, i hope you can. It would be boring if you had to always use your teams vehicles.

tFighterPilot
07-03-2004, 06:27 AM
Originally posted by fuzzyfreaker
well, i hope you can. It would be boring if you had to always use your teams vehicles. But don't do it on Endor, or the ewoks will kick your ass :D