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McGeeza
10-02-2001, 06:26 AM
That is a truly awful demo.

The graphics are laughable and unless Lucasarts have limited the demo to 16 colours (not 16-bit) and res to 640x480, they are in big trouble. Remember that this game was supposed to herald the 'Return of Lucasarts'. From what i've seen so far, it will help continue there domination of the bargain bins.

Before you start flaming, I know that graphics do not make a game, but after playing the demo, do you really think that the full game will show any improvement over the gameplay from AOE2?

This should have been called Age of Empires 2: The Unofficial Star Wars Mission Pack.

Bunch of arse.


PS: To all the fan boys who are saying that the demo is good - I hope you're being sarcastic. Come on, if you keep buying this ****, they'll keep making it.

EndSub
10-02-2001, 06:32 AM
looks like someone hasent played multiplyer yet :o

play the demo COMPLETLY before you flame it.......

McGeeza
10-02-2001, 06:37 AM
Oh, I didn't know this was a multiplayer only game...

WATCH THE LANGUAGE PLEASE -Rhett

EndSub
10-02-2001, 06:40 AM
as i can see that YOU have already made up your mind, there is no point in carrying this on......all I'll say is if you don't like it.........


GO AWAY!

McGeeza
10-02-2001, 06:48 AM
Oh, I see...I was under the impression that this was a 'discussion' board. I didn't realise that you're only allowed to 'discuss' how 'great' this 'demo' is.

I think you'll find that the point of a demo is that people can decide whether they want to purchase the game. For Lucasarts to release this, and expect it to impress, is a joke.

To be fair though, I haven't played MP. Can you let me know the improvements over the SP game and over AOE2 MP?

Thanks.

EndSub
10-02-2001, 07:07 AM
yes this is a 'discussion' board......not a 'Flame The Game Without Any Backing' Board....if your going to flame it, at least play more than 1 mision (a rather poor mission...)

Graphics: The demo only supports 1024*768.....plus if you want a great graphics RTS buy Battle For Dune.....and why do you keep mentioning AoE2? you can't like that! it uses the same engine! those graphics suck! :rolleyes:

Gameplay: What Major improvements did the Rise Of Rome Expantion have over Aoe? or the AoE2:TC? (although i woulden't know...i didn't buy either.....please enlighten me....) and yet both of them were deemed a success?

Well changes and improvments in GB are....

A) Power Cores....
B) Flying Units...
C) Shield Generators...
D) Animal Nurseries...
E) Cloaking...
F) Actully Origanal Art For Each Civ...

and these are just the things off the top of my head......plus basically every starwars charecter you can think of......imagen re-creating the battle of hoth? or endor? oh wait, let me guess your not a starwars fan..........

Now go actully play a game.....then come back and flame it if you want to.........

EndSub
10-02-2001, 07:22 AM
hmmm this may just be speculation.....but can you say viper clone....lets look at profiles.....

Vipers (http://forums.galacticbattles.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=364)

MacGeeza (http://forums.galacticbattles.com/member.php?action=getinfo&userid=398)

look at birthdate.......another thing to note is that our Delphi-WS has also got N/A......but then again so does Mr Gaber so i am proberly just blowing smoke :D

McGeeza
10-02-2001, 07:34 AM
To be patronised by someone who was born three years after the release of Return of the Jedi is insulting, to say the least.

Of course i'm a big Star Wars fan. I'm just not an obsessive, and certainly wouldn't buy a sh*t game because it carried the Star Wars name.

I have re-enacted the battle of Endor, in a game called X-Wing: Alliance. Although not the best of the X-Wing series, it actually went some way to creating that amazing Star Wars atmosphere sadly lacking in the previous few releases.

Can you really say that this demo is as good as you were expecting?

I defy you to say that this met your expectations.

Wake up and smell the Gungans, my friend.

McGeeza
10-02-2001, 07:39 AM
Are you insinuating that this is an attack of the clones?

bedum-chiii.


We're similar in that neither of us have chosen to input any other details (even though Viper has submitted his homepage).

Congratulations Mr Holmes.

EndSub
10-02-2001, 07:48 AM
No.....Viper just spams alot.....is rude and stuborn.....and has had about 4 diffrent profiles.......i was just connecting the dots......but he can't type........so your proberly off the hook :D

anyway....no the demo did not meet all my expections....some of the animations were abit funkey (see: AT-ST) and i was expecting abit "more" or it.......but thats why it is a demo......

can you seriously say that the graphics were so terrable that it ruint the game, and that the gameplay was to stale......(see: multiplayer.....the ONE SP mission sucked....)

AoE (a great game...) in the Starwars universe (a great setting....) i don't see what the problem is......

*and i made the assumption about you not being a SW fan from the crack about Lucas......its something that an anti-fan would say......and whats my age got to do with how much i like starwars?

McGeeza
10-02-2001, 08:03 AM
Oh right. You mean he tells people to go away when they are trying to have an intelligent conversation? Yeah, that's quite rude. :)

Listen, I really do hope you enjoy and get the most out of this game when it is released...seriously.

My point is that GB is just another poor attempt by Lucasarts to make a bit of dough. This time, by slapping poor Star Wars imagery on to a successful game engine. The reason for doing this is twofold. Not only do they catch all the Star Wars nuts, they also snare fans of AOE (i.e. a lot), and consequently hope that everyone forgets about Force Commander and we all live happily ever after.

Well, I say they were wrong to give up on Force Commander. Instead of taking the easiest option, maybe they should have addressed the problems with FC and tried to come up with a RTS that actually progresses the genre, rather then a bland makeover that took minimum effort.

As for AOE = good game, Star Wars = good setting. I can't argue with that, but in this case, the sum certainly isn't greater then it's parts!

*Anti-fan? Come on. Lucas is so far up his own arse these days, i'm suprised he hasn't got a shrunken head.

*Age? Only that you were patronising me, even though i'd seen the films about 50 times each before you were born. (OK, I admit this paragraph is childish).

EndSub
10-02-2001, 08:20 AM
I am sure SW:GB is an attempt to make abit of cash.....but I wouldn't say a poor one....so far i have been pleased......yet you still havent tried multiplayer.....

As for taking the easy option....sometimes it is not a bad idea to take the easy option....allows them to concentrate on something other than the engine......like gameplay......


*Age? Only that you were patronising me, even though i'd seen the films about 50 times each before you were born.

See: Comment you made.....think about it......
See: Still, whats age got to do with it?

I think this is the case of having to agrea to disagrea......I think the game is going to be great (and from the possitive feed back, I don't think i am alone.....) and you think its going to be poor......

McGeeza
10-02-2001, 08:31 AM
Agreed. Let's disagree.

However, I have not deleted any posts at all. I don't know where you got that from. Maybe you could tell me what I deleted?

I'd like to know.

I'm assuming it's some cheap ploy to discredit me?

EndSub
10-02-2001, 08:38 AM
it seems to have re-apeared......how very strange :eyeraise:

McGeeza
10-02-2001, 08:46 AM
Well, I edited one of my posts to take into account some of the points you had made by editing one of your posts. Maybe that's why it disappeared?

Yeah, I deleted one of my posts because i'm scared...(sigh)

Clutching at straws because you can't come up with any intelligent responses?

I think everyone now knows what your age has to do with it. Hopefully, once you've grown up, you might be able to make a few valid points now and again.

Clefo
10-02-2001, 08:52 AM
There are some things in life where age does matter (i.e Being in the army, Driving a car, drinking etc) However making good points in debates dosen't matter in age. I've seen 16 year olds outdebte 30 yearolds

McGeeza
10-02-2001, 08:57 AM
How nice for you. Congratulations.

My point is, that Mr Sub and I were having a fairly interesting discussion when he resorted to the old 'accuse person of deleting posts and try to make them look lame' trick. You can follow this above (if he hasn't deleted most of his posts by now).

EndSub
10-02-2001, 08:59 AM
Originally posted by McGeeza

Clutching at straws because you can't come up with any intelligent responses?


you were ALMOST to the civil stage.....but then you just had to star flaming again.......PLEASE go to the top of this page.....PLEASE read my posts (pay special attention to the one highlighting the additions over AoE....A game you seem to like....)......PLEASE play more than a 5 minute SP match.........

PLEASE realise that I like the game most of this forum like the game.....if you don't like the game, and can't be bothered to actully try it out thats your loss.....

McGeeza
10-02-2001, 09:05 AM
Hey, I agreed to disagree, and I said that I hope you enjoy the game.

I just think you should apologise for accusing me of deleting posts.

Let's hope that Jedi Outcast, Knights of the Old Republic and Galaxies can change my mind about Lucasarts!

EndSub
10-02-2001, 09:15 AM
Well, I edited one of my posts to take into account some of the points you had made by editing one of your posts. Maybe that's why it disappeared?

I think you should apologise for flaming me...... :rolleyes:

McGeeza
10-02-2001, 09:18 AM
You sad, sad person.

Now, I suppose you're going to say that your PC is better then mine, or stamp your feet?

Tragic...

EndSub
10-02-2001, 09:32 AM
YES MY PC IS BETTER THAN YOURS! STAMP, STAMP, STAMP!

I edited my post so it didn't say you deleted it? or didn't you notice that?

you came here saying the demo sucked.....after playing a 5 minute hero mission.........I tried to show you other wise (see: play multiplayer) you say i *jack off over George Lucas (WTF?!?!) I tell you to go away......then you ask why this is better than AoE....I list the additions......I say you can't be a SW fan (see: *) and you insult me about my age? (whats that got to do with it.....)

Then you continue to say the game sucks (after playing 5 minutes....) and then you say that i tried to pull the 'say he deleted a post and make him look lame trick....' even though i that i found it and edited my post (we all make mistakes....)

you then insult me about my age (again....)....and say that i am 'clasping for straws' (remember, this is about SW:GB and i have already said what makes it stand out.....keep your eye on the ball.....)

then you ask for an apology ( see: *) .....

and i am tragic? :confused:

McGeeza
10-02-2001, 09:48 AM
There you go mate, a reasoned argument. I knew you had it in you. Congratulations.

OK, point taken about the deletion, but you could have mentioned that you deleted it so that others reading knew the score.

All I can hope is that I have made you think about the unconditional love you guys show for all things Lucasarts. You are the customers. You can vote with your wallets.

No-one can say that this blew them away, so why not talk about it, discuss your concerns, rather then saying 'wow, this demo rocks' etc,. You never know, someone from Lucasarts may be reading these posts and you might make a difference...

Goodbye and happy gaming.

Wraith 5
10-02-2001, 09:55 AM
I have a few questions for McGeeza...

I would just like to know why you don't like the game???

From what i see you don't like it because it has poor grapics and one bad single player game???

If you are getting a bed res you should look into getting a better computer, because mine plays on 1024x768

And who can you judge the game by one single player mission. I have played AoEII and i thought it was right on par for the first mission of a campan... It was like most of the first missions in AoEII. Greated i have not played all of the campans so there could be better ones, but i thought it was a lot like the joan of arc begining. They didn't want to give away to much of the game, so the put in a mission that they knew everyone knew already took place.

And I think the grapics are par for AoEII engine. Look at the grapics in AoEII, they are about the same or better.

So i guess i have to ask....

Are thouse the only resons you don't like the game or are there more i missed....

And please don't call me a child for asking this, i am just trying to learn what people think is wrong with the game because i do like it.

Oh i see you posted before i did so i thougth i would add this just FYI The Director of Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds: Garry M Gaber does post at this fourm. Please see Greetings (http://forums.galacticbattles.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=413)

McGeeza
10-02-2001, 11:05 AM
Hello Wraith 5.

I don't know why my opinion should bother you that much? If you like the game, then that is all that matters really. But, if you insist:

I started up the one player game and was frankly astonished with the quality of graphics. As I said before, I know that graphics do not make a game, but it is the first thing you see and so it is your first impression of the game. The graphics aren't just bad, they are absolutely atrocious.

You see, with me, it's all about atmosphere. When I see Vader dancing gaily as he attacks, I think he tends to lose all credibility as the hardest bloke in the galaxy. It's in the detail. To see the once-mighty TIE Bombers HOVERING above there targets dropping devastating green SNOWFLAKES, and the Empire's credibility starts to wane.

I understand that they have to differentiate between the forces, but since when have Rebels worn lovely white jumpsuits with orange tabards? There must have been a better way. I'll take another recent RTS as an example - Commandos 2. Yes I know it's an action RTS and it doesn't have resource management. However, they resisted the temptation to have all the allies wear purple aprons, and the axis don't have bright pink scarves so that everyone knows who everyone is.

Another thing: voice acting. Why did they bother? If you can't be arsed to stump up the cash to get JEJ (i'm guessing, he doesn't have too much on these days) to do Vaderís voice in game, don't do it. Of course, GB isn't the only LA game to suffer from this (Lando in Alliance, anyone? dear oh dear), but some bloke talking into a traffic cone doesn't wash with me.

I know that my arguments centre around the graphics and sound, but with the limited gameplay on offer in the demo there really isn't much else to go on and I just can't see that this is anything more then AOE2: SW Mission Pack, which - as Endsub pointed out - most people are completely happy with. I am not.

If it floats your boat, then good luck you. You certainly don't need my or anyone else's seal of approval.

PS: I'm on the work PC, which is a reasonable spec, so I can't really see that being the problem.

PPS: Now, a Star Wars RTS infiltration game using the commandos 2 engine...that would be something to get excited about...:)

wildthing
10-02-2001, 11:26 AM
I would say just hold off until the full meal deal gets here in Nov.

Who knows, they may address the concerns you have with the game.


Other then the sound and graphics though, you have to admit it's pretty fun.

Just my 2 cents


-----------------------------------
I thought I saw a . . .

Wild Thing :thrawn2:

Kudar
10-02-2001, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by McGeeza

When I see Vader dancing gaily as he attacks, I think he tends to lose all credibility as the hardest bloke in the galaxy.


:D LMAO that's superb, can I use that as my signature?

:vadar:

McGeeza
10-02-2001, 11:34 AM
Hehe.

Be my guest. Just give me credit :)

*I was only kidding, but I see that you have. Very Kind :)

Kudar
10-02-2001, 11:43 AM
That is the funniest thing I've heard all day :D

Originally posted by McGeeza
Hehe.

Be my guest. Just give me credit :)

*I was only kidding, but I see that you have. Very Kind :)

porkins14
10-02-2001, 11:45 AM
I think you are intitled to your opinion, even if you havent played the full version. I actually dont mind the graphics, and I agree it is much like AOE. However, you have yet to see all of the differences because you have only played single player. You havent seen how important power cores and shields are. You havent seen the different element air brings and defending against air brings. There are some major differences that make this game stand out. Furthermore, even if it was an "AOE expansion pack", WHO CARES?????? AOE was a great game, and making it star wars doesnt bother me. To say we all are on George Lucas' nuts is not fair, because I have yet to see ONE PERSON in this forum say he liked Force Commander. Isnt that a lucasarts project?? We may be biased, but not so biased that we dont accept reality. And about Lucasarts just trying to make money and not moving the "genre" forward. GL has already changed the face of science fiction, special effects, X-wing was a monumental game in the gaming industry, etc. Why cant Lucasarts sit down and try to make a fun little game every now and then?? They cant be the best at everything, every game cant be the game of the year!!! They made a smart move, they found a great game, used its engine, and made many important improvements.

McGeeza
10-02-2001, 11:51 AM
Amen.

Wraith 5
10-02-2001, 12:26 PM
well porkins14 I see you are new here so welcome...

But i also see that you have not read some of the older threads...

So let me say this again....


I LIKED FORCE COMMANDER!!!!!

The only problem i have with it is that the path finding was not very good. I would have loved to see a x-pack for that game, and a fix for the path finding. Just because people can figure out hw to use a mouse and a keyboard at the same time does not mean the game is bad. (think that you don't like the game because of the contols, The biggest complate i hear.)

I think it added to the game only being able to have 60 units at one time, why should you need 500 units to take out a base. You don't get 500 units in chess.

Ok sorry about that. I just thought the game was really cool and that people (and la) didn't give it enoght time to learn or fix bugs in it.

McGeeza
10-02-2001, 12:30 PM
Blimey, someone on this board is agreeing with a point that I made?

(faints)

Wraith 5
10-02-2001, 12:40 PM
McGeeza i just noticed you are also new here so welcom...

Thank you for restating you problems with the demo. This thread was about why you didn't like the demo, and your thoughts seemed to have gotten lost somewhere. I like to see people have their say. I may not agree, but i still like to read it. (as long as it just isn't there to case trouble.) That is why i asked.

I only brought up the pc thing because i thought you said that ou were only getting a 640x480 res.

I do agree with you the vader does look a little stupid, but if you think about it, wouldn't he look stupid just walking up to a jedi and swinging his lightsaber?

So thank you for reposting you thoughts, and please if you have a question or a concern for the game check out the thread i posted eralier.

McGeeza
10-02-2001, 12:45 PM
I do agree with you the vader does look a little stupid, but if you think about it, wouldn't he look stupid just walking up to a jedi and swinging his lightsaber?

Erm...no?

***PS: Lost my way? - My response to your post was entirely on topic, and hopefully made sense. - ***** Read your post properly - please ignore this! :)

Although, with hindsight, I guess that my posts could be construed as aggressive :). I'm not trying to p*ss on anyone's parade, merely put across my point of view.

I certainly don't expect everyone to agree, just read, and respond in an intelligent manner.

mathomas
10-02-2001, 01:00 PM
I liked Force Commander, and I agree the SW:GB demo does not live up to expectations.

I have played a bit of Emperor:Dune, and when warping back in time to the gameplay style in SW:GB, it is very tedious -- going from one resource in Dune that is automatically controlled so that all you have to do is protect your Harvesters, to a game where you have to control four separate resource gatherers that are stupid enough to stand around and do nothing. They gave us a flashing light to say there were idle workers -- how about get them off there asses automatically and not make me follow the peons so closely? It's worse than having problems with pathfinding.

Graphics and animations are pretty cheesy, especially when compared to what games like Dune are sporting these days. You may argue that that doesn't "make the game" -- but then, how is this game any different than a skin pack for AoE. The improvements like "power cores", "flying units", etc., certainly don't make any leaps in technology or gameplay than AoE. It is nice that the game is a little more unique to the individual races, but it can't hold a candle to StarCraft. Vastly different civilizations, flying units, shields, cloaking -- everything has been done before.

In anticipation of games like Warcraft III on it's way out the door, and what they almost accomplished with Force Commander, it would be nice if Lucasarts had put out something that was a step forward instead of just continuing along the identical route of a game that is several years old. It is a shame that Force Comm wasn't followed up with a sequel...

Mike.

Darth_Venage
10-02-2001, 02:07 PM
Hmm, I guess it's my turn to put my 2 cents in.
OK, what I don't like about demo:
70 MBS FOR THIS?!?!(it took me 5 hours to download)
Voice acting. The only taunt that sounds remotely correct is 28
Building fire animations. Some do NOT look right.
Yes, Vader jumping up and down(while looking gay:D )
no skirmish!
some unit animations(ie AT-STs)
Things I LIKE about demo: (and the game in general)
shield generators
Air AND sea units(tho in the demo you don't reall get to use sea)
Campagin editer
And several other things I can't think of right now...

Oh, and as to the graphics, as someone else said, this is probably from an early design stage. And as to them being atrocious, well. Ever play Red Alert(the original)?

And anyway, I'm going to read about 5 reviews before I decide wether or not I buy this game. I suggest to others that they do the same. (Whoo. Maybe that was 25 cents... :D )

lukesky21
10-02-2001, 02:11 PM
Sorry dude, its not our fault your like STAR TREK and not SW. any real fan wouldnt give a rats arse about graphics.......you must be a JV gamer.

Darth_Venage
10-02-2001, 02:26 PM
Originally posted by lukesky21
Sorry dude, its not our fault your like STAR TREK and not SW. any real fan wouldnt give a rats arse about graphics.......you must be a JV gamer.
may i ask who you are refering to?

Wraith 5
10-02-2001, 02:56 PM
And why must you come in here and try to start another flaw war when we just this back under control.

TheJackal_jk2
10-02-2001, 03:08 PM
One thing I dont get is how can you HATE LucasArts for just one game. Sure they had a few which weren't hits. However they had more that ARE hits.

I think that if you want to hate a company you'd have to have more ground to stand on. For one thing, I hate the company responsible for all those extreme ____ games. Like Extreme Paintball, Extreme Rodeo. Why? Cause all of them get bad reviews.

You can insult a game, but leave the company alone if it is well known and have great games under its title.

Boba Rhett
10-02-2001, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by lukesky21
Sorry dude, its not our fault your like STAR TREK and not SW. any real fan wouldnt give a rats arse about graphics.......you must be a JV gamer.

So we should all be good boys and girls and send our money to Georgey boy? Why are we getting so upset that he didn't like it anyway? He's entitled to his own opinion and we should respect that and not put him down for it; And he should do the same for everyone here. Some people value graphics, some people value design, Some people value the story, etc...


I'd like to thank everyone for keeping this reasonably civil. Next time though, lets try and leave all the homo and ***king comments out of the conversation. ok? ;)

TheJackal_jk2
10-02-2001, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by Boba Rhett


So we should all be good boys and girls and send our money to Georgey boy? Why are we getting so upset that he didn't like it anyway? He's entitled to his own opinion and we should respect that and not put him down for it; And he should do the same for everyone here. Some people value graphics, some people value design, Some people value the story, etc...


I'd like to thank everyone for keeping this reasonably civil. Next time though, lets try and leave all the homo and ***king comments out of the conversation. ok? ;)

I agree 100%.... except for the swearing part at the end. It hurts my eyes to read it :( j/k

nXs_Altus
10-02-2001, 03:28 PM
Actualy, I have to admit that LucasArts is has not been looking very good for quite some time. The last game that lucas did that I liked came out on flopies when 386s were the computer to have (maybe 486). I do have to say though that I don't hate them as they do make good games, just few/none that I think are worth even 5 bucks. Such hatred is reserved for sierra (who's programers have not so good skills so that their games have a tendancy to crash with and without patching and that tear up your system by not following standard programing practices that most programers do fallow), electronic arts (who chaged for patches and still do sometimes or they just don't patch a game that REALY needs it), and activition (for totaly destroying what could have been an awesome game (st-armada) due to bad programing and is now only alive because the game was so easy to modify, the patch that made the game work was made by a third party from activision).

The only reasons I am looking at SWGB is because I don't have any other C&C style games to play (I have played most of the good ones, in my opinion) and the fact that many members of the Nexsis guild are very interested in the game. My problem with SWGB is the fact that it is SO MUCH like AOE which I positively hate. SWGB has it's good marks for ok-good graphics and good modifications to AOE but it just feals... like a moded AOE... ah well, I haven't played the demo much and will be continuing to play it periodicaly hopefully it deters from AOE enough to be worth buying... I would imagine that the finished product will be WAY better than this demo as well.

Thrawn
10-02-2001, 03:36 PM
Lucas Arts has had SOME good games! Rogue Squadron was an EXCCELANT game! :D The graphics were great and there were lots of ships to choose from! That was one of my favortite games for quite a while. . . Anyway, I too am a big C&C fan, and I think the GB will be great. I'm sure that the missions will be more like RA2, that AoK. Think about it. . . Anyway I can't wait for the release, and I'll definately be buying the game!!! :D

Boba Rhett
10-02-2001, 03:43 PM
Umm.... what about Jedi Knight? :(

Thrawn
10-02-2001, 03:59 PM
Um, well, I don't have the game, but I've played it. I didn't like the aweful graphics though. . . They were just like playing in a mosaic almost. . . at least when I played it. . . :(

Boba Rhett
10-02-2001, 04:06 PM
Well, it uses 8bit mats and is pretty old but I wouldn't say it has aweful graphics. You should really play through the whole thing in a higher resolution. The later levels are better and you get to use more force powers.

Thrawn
10-02-2001, 04:10 PM
Perhaps, but I don't really like it all that much. . . I guess it's ok for others to play it. Although, you never know when I'll go on a JK destroying spree. . . :evil2: :D

Necro
10-02-2001, 06:31 PM
1. mp pwns the single player
2. think b4 u post
3. gfx are fine for me, 32bit, 1024x768

Duncan
10-02-2001, 07:29 PM
Just download and tried the single player mission.

My two cents:

Personally, I think that they are not doing the Star Wars Universe justice. Are they really planning on sticking with these graphics? It looks like is only running in 256 colors! It would be nice if they used some transparency effects or something on the smoke that is rising from a burning building. The dithered smoke looks like crap.

Darth Vader looks silly walking up to a building and slashing it with his lightsaber. Isn't he the commander of those troops or something? I would think it would make more sense to just have him stand back a watch or at least give him a ranged attack when attacking buildings, like lighting discharges or something. Leave the lightsaber for enemy units.

Since when do the ATST's dance around when firing their lasers?

Last time I checked TIE Bomber's don't hover in the air.

The rebel troopers didn't so much as walk and/or run to move from place to place but they seemed do some sort of shuffle.

Not to pleased with what I saw so far. Looks kind of like a shoddy SW mod. I really hope they improve it.

As far as those who will say "Graphics do not a game make!" I say your right, BUT the graphics should not detract from the game either. When I play a game, I like to become immersed in it. But, if while playing I keep thinking that the unit animations look silly or the fire doesn't look right or the building explosion animation was too quick. Then it pulls me out of the game.

I think the biggest problem is the color. Why 256? People have been making RTS games in 16 or 32bit color for over 3 years now. It's pretty much a standard.

Anyway just a little bit of a rant. I was really looking forward to this game but so far the demo has left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth.

Luke Skywalker
10-02-2001, 10:24 PM
Use logic. McGeeza did that to prove his points, most of you didnt. Read some Athiest works. Youll understand

Olsmo Lahun
10-02-2001, 10:31 PM
YOU ARE PIKY :mad: :p :o

Wraith 5
10-02-2001, 11:07 PM
please let us not start another flam war.
(darth mike)

Duncan why did you just say the same thing that McGeeza said couldn't you have just said that you agree with him.


Luke Skywalker what or you are you talking about????

Yossarian
10-02-2001, 11:20 PM
Originally posted by Duncan
Personally, I think that they are not doing the Star Wars Universe justice. Are they really planning on sticking with these graphics? It looks like is only running in 256 colors! It would be nice if they used some transparency effects or something on the smoke that is rising from a burning building. The dithered smoke looks like crap.

I'm sure it's 256 colors because AoK was 256. On Age forums, Ensemble developers have said it was done this way to minimize resource usage.

BTW I agree with McGeeza, this demo is a pretty poor showing. I will most definitely not be buying the full version, and yes I have played multiplayer ;)

NamelessOne
10-02-2001, 11:33 PM
Just because it says Star Wars on the box doesnt mean its a great game. The industry is selling the exact same game right back to everybody that it did a couple of years ago. namely, aoe. and i know that a hell of a lot of people are going to shell out 50 bucks for it, probably including myself.
the sad thing is, we'll probably never see an RTS game that does the Star Wars universe justice, simply because we're all so willing to buy something like this.

Muuurgh
10-02-2001, 11:34 PM
Lucasarts, since episode 1, hasn't released a good game. Their best games are the x-wing series, Dark Forces and Jedi Knights. After that they concentrated on "fun" games for the console, and lost the whole gameplay aspect for me. Hopefully with GBG they will go back to producing good games, not just fun ones.

Since episode 1, they have concentrated on games for consoles to try and make as much money as possible, and only recently have decided to get back into the PC market with deep and enthralling games. And about time. Star Wars Galaxies and Jedi Knight 2: Outcast are my most eagerly awaited games. Apart from civ3 and GB that is.

Jediknight, when it was first released was a first class game. Yes, the graphics weren't quite up there with the best of them, but it had the biggest and best levels of any FPS out there. And force powers and lightsaber battles just made it better. The main possible problem with JK2:Outcast may be that they're basing it on the Q3 engine, and therefore the levels aren't as big and "starwarsey".

Back to the original topic, I'm a fan of starwars, and I'm not a fan of lucasarts. Hopefully I will be again when they release their next set of games.

And I've played the demo, single player and multiplayer, and I'm not impressed. I am going to wait for the finished product before I decide whether to condemn it or not though.

EndSub
10-03-2001, 12:45 AM
I still say LucasArts best game was day of the tentacle :p

Use logic. McGeeza did that to prove his points, most of you didnt. Read some Athiest works. Youll understand

no McGeeza was the one flaming and saying the games "sucks" saying they "took the easy way out" and that it is just an "AoE starwars mod" all from 5 minutes.......that isn't logic........and whats religion got to do with it? especilly the Atheism-Logic look......"in the beggining there was nothing.....then out of the nothing came something!" :rolleyes:

but anyway this is not a religious argument......back on topic........

nXs_Altus
10-03-2001, 02:32 AM
ah yes, there was a game, day of the tenticle... bad graphics, horible sound, etc (by todays standards) but I think it would be fun still. I never realy owned the game but I played it often at other peoples places and found it quite fun.

As to my coment on no good games coming out since flopies (ex: x-wing) I stand partialy corrected. Jedi knight was good but the expantion came a bit late to be of note (since much better games had already come out for other companies)... few other good games came out besides that (and Jedi Knight was just a good game, not great).

as for the demo, I agree with many of the posts describing the game in a bad light (low end looking graphics, some lousy sound, the fealing that it is just a quick mod) however I also agree with the post noting that there are good (but few and perhapse too little) sides to the demo as well as the fact that the final product is likely to be much better than the demo in areas of sound, and graphics (hopefully gameplay as well). This demo is quite possibly months previous from its release but they took some time to the side (with the full release next month) and polished it up for us to try. This could even be one of the earliest runs of the game (we don't realy know) but I find it highly unlikely that they would release this demo based on the current build of the game which would detract from developement time. The demo seems very much like a "here is basicaly what we are shooting for, lets get some feedback" type of things. They are getting feedback as well and dont forget the various events going on (like a developer chat and such) for more direct (filtered) feedback.

Seems I ranted on a bit, sorry... to some up, lucas arts has released a barely noteworthy number of good games (none great) since games stoped coming out on flopy disks so much, the demo kind of sucks but the final release is likely to be quite a bit improved.

EndSub
10-03-2001, 02:49 AM
Originally posted by nXs_Altus
ah yes, there was a game, day of the tenticle... bad graphics, horible sound, etc (by todays standards) but I think it would be fun still.

I don't think that the graphics or sound are bad, even to todays standard......

"I feel like i could.....like i could.....TAKE OVER THE WORLD!" - Purple Tenticle

:p :D

Just thought of another cool game series made by LucaArts........the Monkey Island Series! that is the "big daddy" of graphic adventures (really depends if you count Quest For Glory as RPG or Graphic Adventure.....)......

*Hey cool, I'm a Wampa!

Home_Sliced
10-03-2001, 05:16 AM
I have to agree with McGeeza that it was a horrible DEMO. This is a post about the rancidness :evanpiel: of the DEMO, NOT THE GAME. Taking a straight comparison with other demos of the same genre, there are few redeeming qualities.

First off, it's extremely limited. I was expecting at the very least to be able to play a skirmish game of some type. The only possible explination I can think of, is that the AI is not far enough completed to be included. I barely even got a taste for the game, let alone was drawn in by it.

Second off, what was there was (for the most part) lacking. When I say lacking, I mean in all aspects of a game that I consider important (gameplay, customization, graphics).

To be fair, it was a demo, so customization is and should be limited. I didn't have a problem with that. We know it has at the least a map editor, so that front is good.

I think my biggest dissapointment are in the graphics. The game looks worse, and I mean much worse, than AOE2 at the same resolution and # of colors. The unit animations are downright awful (Vader, ugggh). For some unknown reason, they decided to make everything look cartoonish. It was even worse in earlier version (see old screenshots). There are huge issues with unit moving speeds in conjunction with their animations (watch a trooper "walk"). Some of the animations are even "cartoony." Like the AT-ST careening back when it fires, the (shudder) horrific TIE Bomber attack, or (more shuddering) the Darth Vader attack. Although the purpose is probably to let us clearly know the unit is firing, there are better (and more subtle) ways to accomplish this. The worst graphic by far had to be the fires, though. I honestly wanted to look away from the screen whenever I attacked a building. AOE2's fire animation are about 1000x better. The whole grainy, dancing pixel thing just doesn't work. The environment isn't much better, either. The trees look pretty cool, but the whole puke green color scheme has got to go. The area we saw of Yavin for in SW had deep, lush greens with subtle browns and greys not the aqua-green washed out garbage in the demo. In fact, the only redeeming artwork I saw in the game were the buildings (I must admit the Sith Temple is pretty sweet), the menus, and a few of the units.

That brings me to the gameplay. I can't say much about the SP except that I hope they have a lot better. I could have made that SP mission, and have a total of about 1 hour of AOE2 editing experience. If a newb can make the level, its normally not a good sign. The MP on the other hand was ok. There are some balance issues that need to be hammered out. Specifically air units, shields, and grenade units. The air units are puny and should strafe when they attack! This would actually kill two birds with one stone. Since they are moving, they are harder to hit making them relatively tougher. Second, the shielding was entirely too powerful. Two fully garrisoned medium towers and a handful of mechs could annhilate any ground attack force while shielded, while one or two missle turrets annhilate any possibility of an air strike. Instead of doubling HP, the shield should act as a long range and air attack protector. No shots from outside the shield bubble can penetrate (and visa versa), but once an enemy unit steps inside the bubble, he attacks as normal against normal defenders. Thus you have a passive defensive counter to the cannon (ie: trebuchet, not included in demo) along with other long range artillary and air attack. We know ships cannont fly through shields (ROTJ), ground units can walk through them(TPM), and blasters cannot go through (all) (granted these could be differnent kinds of shields, but I don't want to get into that :)). Lastly, the grenade unit from the barracks was way underpowered for the cost. Perhaps triple to quadruple the damage, and halve the area of effect? Or double damage, same area of effect? I also think the unit bonuses and attacks need to be made more clear. A mech should have a stronger attack than a trooper no matter what it's firing at. However the larger mechs should not be able to target the smaller units as well.

I'd half to play a civ with all the tech levels to get a true comparison to AOE2, but as of now, I see no reason why I should buy the game since I have AOE2 and StarCraft (well, technically its my old roommate's :)), Star Wars or not. If the demo is representative of what GBG has to offer, I went from a "probably getting the game" to a "almost certainly not."

Hopefully you can all pick out my thoughts, arguments, and evidence in the above rambling. Feel free to bug me until I give a straight, non-5 page paper answer if need be. :D

McGeeza
10-03-2001, 05:41 AM
Firstly, thanks for the support that some of you guys have shown. It's good to know that there are a few others of you out there that aren't owned by LA.

Secondly, Endsub, I said that the DEMO was awful, not the game and if you read my reply to Wraith 5 you'll see that I tried to give contructive criticism, hopefully something that I am capable of.

Thirdly, I do NOT hate Lucasarts. I have enjoyed many of their titles in the past, including:

Ballblazer
Koronis Rift
Rescue on Fractulus
Battlehawks
Their Finest Hour: Battle of Britain
Indiana Jones and The Fate of Atlantis
Super Star Wars titles on the SNES
X-Wing + Expansions
Tie Fighter + Expansions
X-Wing vs Tie Fighter
X-Wing: Alliance
Dark Forces
Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight
Monkey Island series
Grim Fandango
Sam & Max
Day of the Tentacle

and i'm sure there are many more i've forgotton (you don't need to list them, I know you are ALL experts)

So please don't think the only reason I have posted is to Knock LucasArts and take the p*ss. To be honest, I've got better things to do, and if I wasn't passionate about the mess they are making of SW games at the moment, I wouldn't be here.

Lastly, I am also looking forward to Outcast, Knights and Galaxies as much as the next man!

Outcast - In the hands of Raven. Made a few mistakes in the past but overall, i'm optimistic thay can pull it off!

Knights - I guess it will be using the BG2 Infinity Engine, and if they can get the all important SW atmosphere across, that's good enough for me (You can't argue that BG2 with hardware FX looks gorgeous). I just hope they let Bioware write the plot, because i don't think LA are capable of doing a good one at the moment.

Galaxies - I've never played Everquest (Connection is a joke here in UK at the moment), but the QT VR shots of this are enough to get me excited.

EndSub
10-03-2001, 07:18 AM
I think that you started off on the wrong foot........saying the games sucks (and not giving any real valid reasons...) then spending a page and half having a flame war (still don't see what age has to do with it.....) is proberly not the right way to make an entrance ;)

McGeeza
10-03-2001, 10:52 AM
Do you ever shut up?

Your wrong. Be man enough to leave it.

Wraith 5
10-03-2001, 11:02 AM
I think that you are both idiots!!!!

You are both arguing over the stupids thing!!!!


McGeeza you did start this thread saying the game sucked just because of one mission....

EndSub what is wrong with McGeeza thinking something different then you!!!!

Why don't you both shut up and get on with your lives. You both started this flam war, now why don't you both end it right now!!!

McGeeza
10-03-2001, 11:05 AM
Shhhhhh.

Shush now.

Dehse
10-03-2001, 12:20 PM
I really wasnt impressed with the demo single player mission myself - I think that maybe they should have thrown in at least 2 - or maybe a mission that wasnt gonna be in the retail version, but what do I know. Im really new to the whole RTS thing myself - but the mp looks really cool - and I look forward to the retail version when it comes out. I was totally devastated with Rebellion and let's not even talk about FoCom.

You see, with me, it's all about atmosphere. When I see Vader dancing gaily as he attacks, I think he tends to lose all credibility as the hardest bloke in the galaxy. It's in the detail. To see the once-mighty TIE Bombers HOVERING above there targets dropping devastating green SNOWFLAKES , *and the Empire's credibility starts to wane.*

Actually, McGeeza, the Empire lost credibility when they got beaten by a bunch of teddy bears, uhhh, ewoks, I mean ;)

NamelessOne
10-03-2001, 12:48 PM
Everybody backing the game has a major problem: They can't look past the SW license and take it for what it is
It's a half-ass attempt to make a buck.
If this game did not follow the SW universe, it would be agreed unanimously that this is nothing special.

Wraith 5
10-03-2001, 01:06 PM
Namelessone please see why??? (http://forums.galacticbattles.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1388)

And read it again...

Duncan
10-03-2001, 01:20 PM
Nameless One I think you hit the nail on the head.

There are some people who will buy the game simply because it has the Star Wars name on it.

I personally was disappointed with the demo. The game doesn't look good. If they don't clean up the graphics, I don't think I will be able to get past it.

As far as the arguments were people are pointing things like Day of the Tenacle have crappy graphics but fantastic gameplay, remeber: DOTT was released around the same time as DOOM and the original Warcraft. Would any of you buy a new LA game if it used the DOOM engine even if the gameplay was really good? I think not.

god3345
10-03-2001, 04:17 PM
Well after hearing about this game comeing out for some time now i was quite excited about getting it, but after seeing the screenshots of cheesy animated walkers and getting and playing the demo i must say i am very dissapionted. from what i got from multi it is nothing more than a sw version of aoe2, no not just the engine, that would have been fine. nearly every aspect of the game is directly linked to aoe2, the few new aspects like animal farms and shields dont really counter all of the other units and upgrades that so closly resemble aoe2. I was shocked to realize that the town center is an EXACT replica of aoe2's (with the addition of healers and probe driods) but everything else as far as upgrades do the exact same thing for the exact same cost. as is the same with many other buildings, units and upgrades. i have star wars rebellion and one of the things i like most about it is how all of the emipires units look so big and powerful, they should be, they did in the movies!
overall, i rate the game poorly for all i have seem from the screenshots, demo, and tech trees.

snaayk
10-03-2001, 06:14 PM
Since everyone seems to be complaining (mostly) about the graphics and how they compare to AoE. Let's compare the two.

I don't have AoE2 installed, and I rather not go through the hassle. But if you do have it installed, take some screenshots of a comparable scene in GB and post them on a page for direct comaparison. I have a site to post them if need be, just email them to me.

With this we will be able to make exact comaprisons.

Even with that, I wouldn't expect a demo's graphics to be on par with a finished product. After all, when the final product does come out we all have to say "DAMN, THIS THING KICKS ASS!!!!"; which we may not say if it's EXACTLY like the demo.

My 2 <insert currency>

Starnick10287
10-03-2001, 07:06 PM
Look, its was just a demo no need to argue. Almost all pre-release demos are bad because all the bugs need to be beaten out and THE GAME ISNT FINISHED yet. Personally, the first mission was way too easy, but hey all first missions need to be easy. Also, the designers may change the mission for all we know. For multiplayer; the game rocks! I found it more fun than the AoK multiplayer! The color scheme is somewhat off and some animations too. But those are petty things. The game so far is good, but I hope they get it in shape by November. They're probably leaving that for last since their are so many bugs to be worked out. Oh one last thing: after reading one page i got a headache, and I suggest ending this post. ;)

T.I.E
10-03-2001, 07:43 PM
Some people reinforce the issue of birth control, and I am not talking about the ones who like the demo.

HanSolo
10-05-2001, 03:08 AM
I also think that the game is a bit of sell-out by Lucasarts. Considering that they have the financial backing of the largest franchise on the planet, surely they can afford to develop their own game from scratch, rather than license a good - but OLD engine.

Whatever anyone says about the graphics, it does look dated. I don't think that 3D is the future of RTS, I hate about 99% of the attempts so far, but I think that a pseudo-3D engine would have been more appropriate. Compare SWGB to Warcraft 3 in terms of graphics. And then think that these games will be launching at the same price.

I must say that I was highly dissapointed with the demo. I wasn't expecting the graphics to be great, and I wasn't expecting the game to be a huge step on from AoE. I was expecting a game that was true to SW.

I was absolutely disgusted (I literally turned the game off after seeing it) to see them refer to 'Walkers' as 'Mechs'. That is a blatent example of how they are trying to make this game appeal to the main-stream gamer. Surely there are enough SW fans out there to make a game that appeals to them; even if it means alienating non-SW fans! Lucasarts seem so set on making a product that could appeal to ALL gamers, rather than just the SW fans.

That is where FC fell over. The original pseudo-3d game engine that was shown in those early previews looked great. Why did they dump it; because they thought a fully 3d engine would be more acceptable to the masses. Look what that produced...

I hope that by releasing this game, it will make Lucasarts realise that people will buy SW games, regardless of their genre-forwarding features. I hope that they will start to make games for the gamers again (TIE Fighter anyone?), and not for the 'casual gamer' - read: non-SW fans.

SOLO

EndSub
10-05-2001, 05:47 AM
WILL EVERYONE STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT THE GRAPHICS!!!

You knew it was on the AoE engine......so I don't know what you were expecting.......yeah 3D WOULD be nice but I can think of only 2 out of the MANY True 3D games out there (Homeworld and Ground Control...)

Yeah i "Pseudo" 3D game could have been done nicly as well.......but I am happy with the graphics (I was expecting what I got.....AoE with SW art.....)

Now for you people who say "AoE looks fine, but this look horrable"

SW: GB (http://gamespot.com/gamespot/images/screenshots/gs/news/010501/swgb_screen004.jpg)

AoE (http://www.microsoft.com/Games/age2/img/ss_b_13.jpg)

now lets complain about something worth while......like the AT-ST animation :) ;)

*Originally posted by Duncan

As far as the arguments were people are pointing things like Day of the Tenacle have crappy graphics but fantastic gameplay

DOTT had GREAT graphics for its time, and is only just starting to show its age.... :)

HanSolo
10-05-2001, 07:21 AM
The purpose of my above post wasn't to moan about the graphics, it was to point out that Lucasart should do better. And by that I don't only mean graphics, I mean gameplay, sound, and SW accuracy. With the resources that they have, they should be able to make brilliant games, but instead they make cheap sell-outs. Whether the games are good or bad isn't my argument...seeing that the game basically is AoE with a SW hat, I'm sure it wont fail to be at least good in parts.

SOLO

Olsmo Lahun
10-05-2001, 10:42 PM
PLAY MPLAYER AND SEE i just have to say to you:
:mad: :barf: :evil6: :explode: :swear:

hannibalscipio
10-05-2001, 11:29 PM
Hey, McGeeza can have his opinion, man. I haven't played the game, but I jump at anything with Star Wars in it's title. Some people just have different tastes.

Tie Guy
10-05-2001, 11:38 PM
Welcome Hannibalscipio, interesting name you have there, as hannibal was defeated by scipio at.....Zama was it?

*hands hannibalscipio an offical GB.com giftbasket* Enjoy!

Anyways, your absolutely correct, people have different opinions, but i don't see anything wrong with arguing, as long as there is no flaming and such.

I personally think that this IS an ttempt to make a buck, every company does that, and that it IS a AOK with GB art, but i don't care. The game is fun, and the quality is good, it doesn't matter that it looks and plays similar to another game. Just because it is similar to some otehr game, doesn't mean it can't be great itself.

Jeff
10-06-2001, 06:45 AM
I think the game is great. Regardless if is plays and feels like AOEII, who cares. If I had a choice to play this type of RTS game in a setting of dark ages (like AOE) or in a setting where I can use Jedi powers, AT AT's.........and so on, well I would pick SW hands down.

To me those who thought it would be just like AOE with a SW skin (with some extras) are right on, that is what my immpession was when they first started to inrt the game and that is what they have given us.

PS, this has been the best thread I have read so far in the last few weeks that I have been here. Great dic.;)

Paragon_Leon
10-19-2001, 09:17 AM
I just was catching up on what was posted while i was gone and came across this thread...
a good one for sure !

So here's my 2 cents:

1) The demo is just that; a demo. I found the SP mission sorely lacking and really missed skirmish. I can understand why they gave away what they wanted to give away though; full-fledged multiplayer-support would be too much and would refrain gamers 'on the fringe' to get the final product.

2) The graphics look a bit grainy, granted... but not all of them. The coloring is cartoony because there were some rescaling-procedures early on in production.. Remeber those early screenshots with the little ATAT's ? And how we looked at those tiny, tiny units and wished they'd be more recognizable ?
The thing is, this is not a SW-SIM. It's an RTS based on SW. That means there's creative freedom. That's why i personally don't mind bombers hovering or Vader jumping. As long as it plays like a good RTS and the units are recognizable SW, I'll love it.

3) The discussion has focussed mainly on the LOOK and animation of the game.. but how about the gameplay, folks ? That's simply good. Real good. I played one MP-game so far (I have to schedule to play), but it was one of those fun experiences you remember. And to think that we can only get to Tech level 3 and don't have water units and the works...

Point in case: the demo gave us the bare basics; the game will deliver the polish.

Destroyer Droid
10-19-2001, 09:32 AM
Well said except the water part. IF you go to your military builds you'll find a dock. Plomp it down in one of the puddles on the map and build 1 of each water unit just to have a looksy :).

Paragon_Leon
10-19-2001, 09:35 AM
oops. Forgot about that.
Don't mind me trying that next time.. :D
I can tell that I'm weeks behind since my holiday. These little corrections tend to be painful ! :D :D

Maul403
10-19-2001, 06:27 PM
this game rocks...the demo was better than what i thought it would be

ICP Ringmaster
10-19-2001, 06:35 PM
Well...um...this is ste si made for fans of Lucus Arts so if you don't like the games they put out well...go to another website.

Clefo
10-19-2001, 06:39 PM
I don't understand Graphic complaints, the graphics are both awesome and they look fine.. I'm someone who's never played AOE2 so this game was new to me.

Also to the people complaining about "Its just AOE2 with SW graphics" I have 2 things to say

1. Didn't you ever look at any screen shots?

2. Not completely, GB has Air Units


Also 3D dosen't mean better.. I am perfectly fine with a 2D engine.. Anyone who's played Force Commander will agree

darthfergie
10-19-2001, 06:52 PM
Originally posted by EndSub
as i can see that YOU have already made up your mind, there is no point in carrying this on......all I'll say is if you don't like it.........


GO AWAY!

See what you caused:D

BTW, I like the demo. Anyone who doesn't...too bad...it's just a demo though so don't get so ticked...

Admiral Thrawn
10-19-2001, 08:57 PM
Dang it! two pages of worthless trash and I come here to say the exact same thing!

Luke Skywalker
10-19-2001, 09:00 PM
HAHHA lol. Well thats what you get for trash talking the demo. :rolleyes:

jeffdark
10-20-2001, 03:35 PM
i liked the demo, even tho. it's the first demo i have ever downloaded, and the second strategie game i have played. i like the graphics, cause they actually work on my crappy video card! yeaa! :)