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legameboy
06-29-2004, 02:36 PM
Has anyone seen this yet? I'm going to see it in a couple of days... I can't frickin' wait! XD

EDIT: I'm such an idiot, I thought it came out on the 25th... instead it's coming out on the 30th... lol.

I'll probobly check the game out when that comes out... it looks fun.

txa1265
06-29-2004, 03:15 PM
From what I've read:

- The movie is awesome.

- The console game is really good.

- The PC game is crap.

Mike

legameboy
06-29-2004, 03:20 PM
So it is out now? Ugh... I'm so confused...

Thanks for the info, Mike. :)

Dr Edison 007
06-29-2004, 03:21 PM
From what I read Sam Raimi is already working on a DVD version he'll call Spider-Man 2.5

txa1265
06-29-2004, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by legameboy
So it is out now? Ugh... I'm so confused... No - these are all 'special viewings' they give to reviewers.

It is amazing how things have changed with movies since I was a kid ... then you would have the movie open, *then* get reviews ... then it would build or die by word of mouth (sure, there was still pre-release buzz). Now if you don't pull >$xx Million the first weekend and be #1 you'll never hit your target.

Some films - like the first Spiderman and Shrek 2 - get blessed with a vacuum ... nothing much else for the first couple of weeks. That helps them (esp in Shrek 2's case) generate insane numbers.

Mike

legameboy
06-29-2004, 04:05 PM
Ah, ok, I understand now, thanks.

So the PC version of Spider-man 2 is crap, huh? That stinks...

MennoniteHobbit
06-29-2004, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by legameboy
So the PC version of Spider-man 2 is crap, huh? That stinks...

:( I sure hope not.

Spider-man 2 is going to pwn. I'll have to get my parents to let me go see it...

txa1265
06-29-2004, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by MennoniteHobbit
:( I sure hope not.
While I personally don't care, I hope not as well (on general principal).

But what I've heard is that these are *not* the same games, that the PC game is 'for 8 year olds' whereas the console game offers full exploration of the city.

Mike

legameboy
06-29-2004, 07:05 PM
Why the heck would any developer do that? :eek:

I sure hope your wrong... I'm going to look into this.

Sam
06-29-2004, 07:32 PM
He is right.

The PC game is for 8 year olds and is a completely different game than the console versions

CapNColostomy
06-29-2004, 07:47 PM
I played the pc demo. And regretably, it sucks big time. Reminds me of that Hulk game. Damn Activision and their comic movie tie ins.

legameboy
06-29-2004, 09:30 PM
I figured it out... there are two versions of the Spider-man 2 game coming out for PC.

One is rated "E" and is more youth centric.

I believe that a "T" rated version will come out that will be a lot different.

I got that from the Gamespot forums.

ET Warrior
06-30-2004, 03:01 AM
I have plans to see this movie twice on opening day, my small town theater only has two showings a day, so I'm going to see Spider-Man 2 as much as I can! :emodanc:

Sivy
06-30-2004, 04:41 AM
i can't wait to see spider-man 2 ... and that reminds me, i should really book my seats.


i really liked the first Spider-man movie game for the PC. the controls were a bit of a pain but the graphics are excellent.
it sucks that they've done a completey different game this time.

Sabretooth
06-30-2004, 06:02 AM
I'll watch it on DVD.

BTW, the soundtrack is done by a Pakistani band called Strings I hear. There is a sad, lamenting Hindi song at the end of the movie called 'Jaane Kyon'.

Yes, and Spiderman is going to get Indian with the new line of comics developed by Gotham comics. The names will be all similar to the original Spiderman.

Peter Parker = Pavitra Prabhakar
Mary Jane = Mala
Green Goblin = Rakshasa

LOL, can't wait to see him swing through the rickshaw-clogged streets of Mumbai.

Go Asia, Go Asia, Go Asia...

BongoBob
06-30-2004, 06:18 AM
I go to blockbuster tomarrow when it opens and getting the game. Then I'll see the movie the next day, and then actually play the game.

I got it all worked out :D

obi
06-30-2004, 09:21 AM
I'm going to be honest.

I thought Spider-Man 1 sucked. A lot.

Ebert is saying that this is the best superhero film since Superman in 1978. He said that this is everything a superhero movie should be. I agree with Ebert's reviews for the most part, but we'll have to see about Spidey 2. I have my doubts, but I hope they are misplaced.

legameboy
06-30-2004, 11:20 AM
More info about the PC game. Yes, there are two versions...

One is the Spider-man 2 game you all played in the demo.

Another is the Spider-man 2 Activity Learning Center Funhouse... thing.

I really was looking forward to the real Spider-man 2 game for PC! WHY! WHY DID THEY DO THIS!

By the way, I think Spider-man 2 will probobly be one of the best Superhero movies of all time. Heh.

txa1265
06-30-2004, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by obi-wan13
I thought Spider-Man 1 sucked. A lot. I didn't think it sucked, but having seen it once, I thought it was good (certainly better than The Hulk) but have never had any desire to see it again. That with Spidey being my #2 superhero (Batman is #1)

Originally posted by obi-wan13
Ebert is saying that this is the best superhero film since Superman in 1978. This is where I agree with your assessment above.

- Superman the movie took Superman the superhero to a new level, really brought him someplace. And it did it in a movie I'm proud to watch with my kids, without compromising.

- Batman in 1989 brought the Dark Knight to the masses. Most (like me) had grown up on Adam West and BAM! KER-POW! Yet that movie flowed wonderfully. It fully earned the R-rating without sex, nudity or too much language ... my kids won't see that anytime soon.

- Spiderman was a film version of the cartoon. Well acted, directed and produced, but the story was already there.

I hope that Spidey 2 is as good as I've heard, and it isn't all just that pre-hype going on. I know it will do huge numbers, regardless (look at the last two Matrix train-wrecks).

Mike

Pie™
06-30-2004, 11:56 AM
Why do everyone keep forgetting The Crow?

IMO it's by far the best comic book based movie... at least of the ones i've seen..

And i thought Spidey 1 was ok, probably gonna rent this one when it comes out on dvd...

toms
06-30-2004, 12:32 PM
The main issue that i have with Spiderman 2 is that the Trailer seems to have shown the entire plot, from start to finish. I'm not really sure there is much point in watching the whole film now :(

(MIB did this too, and it was really annoying. )

As for spidey 1:

I enjoyed it in the cinema... but when i rewatched it on dvd with some mates (who hadn't seen it before) we all agreed it kind of sucked.

I think there were a lot of things to like about spiderman, especially it's deeper depiction of emotions and conflicting feelings.
But i think the fact i was happy someone had finally tried to do a slightly deeper comic book movie initially blinded me to a lot of the stuff that sucked.
The cgi looks terrible... and has dated VERY badly. The basic action plot is fairly lightweight and generic, it is only the interesting personal lives that makes it feel more complex.
The end fight is brutaly cool, but the end scene on the bridge is REALLY CORNY fake american sentimentality of the worst order, and the "death by your own device" ending is just as stupid as in films like waterworld.
Hopefully the sequel will put this right (and i think Rami is a great director), but the fact it seems to have EXACTLY the same plot as the first one, and that we have seen it all in the trailer, might leave me disappointed.

Sam
06-30-2004, 01:31 PM
I picked the game up this morning.

It kicks so much freaking ass!


Must buy or at least rent it.



*Runs off to play spider man 2*

legameboy
06-30-2004, 03:40 PM
Was it the PC version, by chance? :p

Sam
06-30-2004, 08:34 PM
Nah, xbox.


I am at the last boss of the game but I only have 38 % done.


*runs off to play spider man 2...again*

legameboy
06-30-2004, 10:13 PM
*sniffle*

Why did they have to screw up with the PC version!:mad:

IG-64
06-30-2004, 10:52 PM
I'm seeing this movie tonight. I hope it's good.

Mike Windu
06-30-2004, 11:46 PM
"Why does everyone forget about the crow?"


I dunno, but I don't think the crow appeals to the masses my man... it looked odd and depressing and something I dont ever plan to see.




I hope spidey 2 rox my sox , my 7 dollar sox. 7 dollar sox rox! go local bands!


kthxbai:p

IG-64
07-01-2004, 03:47 AM
Just got back, I liked it, twas pleasing. :)

Astrotoy7
07-01-2004, 08:17 AM
[snide cynicism]great, another superhero movie[/snide cynicism]

*yawn*

the art of cinema takes another kick in the guts from the mass market appeal hollywood juggernaut

Kurosawa is dead
Greenaway and Lynch havent done anything for years
Krieszlowski has put himself out to pasture

the closest thing we have left as 'directuers auteur' are the Wachowski Bros............ *runs away pulling hair and screaming*


mtfbwya

toms
07-01-2004, 08:33 AM
Originally posted by Mike Windu
"Why does everyone forget about the crow?"


I dunno, but I don't think the crow appeals to the masses my man... it looked odd and depressing and something I dont ever plan to see.

You should watch the original, it is pretty cool. Unfortunately it has become an obsesion for a whole lot of disaffected kids who now walk around in silly outfits and makeup thinking they are making some sort of statement. If you ignore all that then it is a cool film though. In order:

--GREAT------
Superman
Batman
X-men 2
The Crow
Batman Returns
--GOOD-------
X-men
Superman 2
Blade
--OK-----------
Spiderman
The Hulk
Underworld
--POOR--------
Daredevil
Blade 2
Superman 3
--SUCKS-------
Batman 3&4, Superman 4, any crow sequels
have i forgotten anything?:D

CapNColostomy
07-01-2004, 08:49 AM
Originally posted by toms
it has become an obsesion for a whole lot of disaffected kids who now walk around in silly outfits and makeup thinking they are making some sort of statement.

Why I hate The Crow. And dumbass wannabe goth people.

Jedi_Vogel
07-01-2004, 09:15 AM
Originally posted by Astrotoy7
the closest thing we have left as 'directuers auteur' are the Wachowski Bros............ *runs away pulling hair and screaming*

Oh my :/ what IS happening to the world?

txa1265
07-01-2004, 10:33 AM
It is interesting how times revises views on some of these 'big hype' things - I liken Spiderman (#1) to UT2k3. Both were hyped, and when they came out everyone was saying 'r0x0r ... best ever' ... but now with a bit of perspective, everyone says 'we *knew* UT2k3 was flawed ... we *knew* Spidey1 was mediocre'. Yeah, right.

Mike

Astrotoy7
07-01-2004, 11:01 AM
Originally posted by toms
...it has become an obsesion for a whole lot of disaffected kids who now walk around in silly outfits and makeup thinking they are making some sort of statement....

my girlfriend wears outfits and make up everyday ! I *knew* there was somethin wrong w her ! damn ! :p

mtfbwya

CapNColostomy
07-01-2004, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by txa1265
It is interesting how times revises views on some of these 'big hype' things - I liken Spiderman (#1) to UT2k3. Both were hyped, and when they came out everyone was saying 'r0x0r ... best ever' ... but now with a bit of perspective, everyone says 'we *knew* UT2k3 was flawed ... we *knew* Spidey1 was mediocre'. Yeah, right.

Mike

Kinda like Star Wars, huh?

Anyways, I liked the original Spiderman. I can't say I found it to be mediocre at all. UT2k3, however, imho, did not "r0x0r" but instead suxord or however the hell it's said. Along with everything else UT.

Pie™
07-01-2004, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by Mike Windu
"Why does everyone forget about the crow?"


I dunno, but I don't think the crow appeals to the masses my man... it looked odd and depressing and something I dont ever plan to see.
Yeah, probably not something for the masses...


You should watch the original, it is pretty cool. Unfortunately it has become an obsesion for a whole lot of disaffected kids who now walk around in silly outfits and makeup thinking they are making some sort of statement. If you ignore all that then it is a cool film though. In order:

I hope you don't mean that The Crow started the goth scenes, for in that case it's utter bs.. ;)

Lol, all the true goth bands started up in the late 70s- early 80s :p

Oh, and i picked up The Crow 3: Salvation (VERY cheap, mind you), and it's some of the worst crap I've ever seen :lol:

Why I hate The Crow. And dumbass wannabe goth people.
*coughposerscough* ;)

The Seeker
07-01-2004, 10:54 PM
ahem

*yanks thread back on topic with giant thread fixing wrench*

Just saw Spider Man 2. One word: Awsome.

The acting was great, story was perfect and the effects were breathtaking. Had way more depth and action than the first one and a bit of humor thrown in for good measure. Tastefull humor, mind you.

Alfred Molina made the perfect Dock Ock and fixed the problems of Spidey villains that Willem Dafoe caused with his ridiculous over acting.

All in all, this one just felt more polished and more serious. When you see the Transformation into Dock Ock, it is a truly creepy and disconcerting scene, and the duels between him and Spidey are just spectacular. I mean, where in the first one, the fights were all flying and slamming, these are dirtier. They are kicking and punching and grappling, and throwing. They plunge toward the ground only to land somewhere and continue. All of it was just mesmerizing.

And the famous Train sequence from the commercials is absolutely fantastic. One of the best sets of the movie.

Just go see it and you'll see what I'm talking about.

legameboy
07-01-2004, 11:40 PM
Awesome. I can't wait to see it! :D

acdcfanbill
07-02-2004, 01:58 AM
in a word, yes. saw spidy 2 adn i thought it was really good. noticed two bad fx shots, adn the red mpaa dots :mad: but all in all, it was great. gonna have to see it again i think :)

ET Warrior
07-02-2004, 02:41 AM
Originally posted by Chase Windu
does it have the same insanity effect like it did on his father?

Harry is already insane, finding out that Peter Parker actually is Spider-Man is what drove him over the edge. That's why his father was talking to him in the mirror, he's a nut-job

Sabretooth
07-02-2004, 05:51 AM
Ahem...

The music, people, the music!

How's the music?

txa1265
07-02-2004, 06:48 AM
My wife heard some of the soundtrack yesterday and said it was really good.

I also read on CNN that there was an arrest made of a kid with a videocam ... trying to make a recording to 'share' with his 'friends'. Arresting him for something that obviously has no impact on the mega-greedy monolithic corporations with non-people employed is rediculous, and I'm sure Michael Moore will have something to say about it ...

Mike

The Seeker
07-02-2004, 12:10 PM
Soundtrack is perfectly meshed with the movie. Gave me goosebumps at points. Though there is one part where they throw in a certain annoying song that makes you wonder if they are for real, then you realize that they aren't. They are just being jackasses. :D :p

Zappa_0
07-03-2004, 12:39 PM
I saw it Thursday night and its awesome. I have played the PC Game and think its ok but too easy. But I was looking around Activision's site for spiderman 2 and they still have a countdown going to this coming Tuesday. Maybe the PC Gamers will get a Teen version. I feel really left out because all the other stuff and villians that gets left out from the console version.

Troopr-Undr-Fir
07-03-2004, 01:31 PM
Gonna drag my girl to see it on Monday...Yes literaly drag her :rolleyes:

As for it being the "BEST" superhero movie of our time, remains to be seen. But the fact is what you grew up with, or prefere.

Now I didn't exactly grow up in the hay-day of comic book heros...but my father showed me the light to many of them.

And it just makes feel good inside seeing these classic characters on the big screen.

So It is a good time for guys such as myself ;)

toms
08-10-2004, 01:38 PM
been on holiday in france, so i only got to see this last night. I think the comment i heard a gril say to her boyfriend as they left summed it up best: "Well, that was corny and long...".

I have to wonder if i saw the same film as all the reviewers, cos i was SOOO looking foreward to this. The first one was good the first time (mainly because of it's obvious potential) but on repeated viewings the cornyness really got annoying. I was hoing this one would be so much better... but it was pretty much the same film again... or even a bit worse.

The following review may contain mild spoilers, if anyone hasn't already seen it, but nothing much that wasn't given away in the trailers.

Pros:

Some of the terrible cgi from the first one had been improved.
The odd bit of alfred molina.
Lots of hints at things that might be interesting.
Funny in places
Set up for 3rd film
Bruce Campbell :D

Cons:

Wasted alfred molina - i had heard that he had some form of decent into evil or something, but it was just stupid. THe "inhibitor chip that is going to break" was a daft idea. THey set up all this stuff with the college lecturer, the wife etc... that i thought was leading to something. Instead he just kind of went "i should kill myself, nah, oh i know, i'll build something cool and rob everyone" and turned evil in a minute. THen at the end he just turned back. huh?
I thought he might try to kill himself but the arms wouldn't let him. OR fight their actions, or have a slow decent that parralleled spidy quitting. nope.

Spidey loses powers: Why? What? THis smacked of a very unsubtle plot device that made no sense and wasn't needed. The whole relearning powers bit was just like the first film, and not needed and only there for comedy falling value.

Spidey quits: This plot seemed interesting at the start... but he wasn't any better off when he did quit, it only lasted a few minutes anyway. He still had no money. His aunt was still getting evicted. It'd have made more sense if he had been tempted to take some of the money from the bank to help his aunt, or to do some of the stuff JJ was accusing him off.

Girl Next door: Another pointless subplot that didn't go anywhere... i was acutally hoping that when they had that cheesy "MJ runs accross town in a wedding dress bit" it would either toun out to all be peter's dream, or the girl would be naked in the bathrooom or something.

Corny "spidey saves train, they save him" scene:
This was almost as vomit makingly cheesy as the "no one messes with people in our town" bit on the bridge at the end of the first one. There are loads of ways to use webs to stop that train. Why has sam rami suddenly become so corny and tried to be so patriotically american? That cheesy scene in the frst one was acceptable, what with the whole 9/11 mood in the country, but what was the excuse for this one? It was like a joke. Or a scene from oprah. You expected them all to stand up and applaud. :rolleyes:
---
I didn't hate it, even if it sounds like i did, i thought it was about the same as the last one at 6 or 7 out of 10. Not as clever or dark as the x-men or early batman films but not bad. I just don't get why everyone thought it was so great.

Nalukai
08-10-2004, 08:36 PM
Nieve, Not a True Believer, and lack of the use of a spoiler tag.... wow thats a Hat Trick!!!!

Just about every event that has happened in both of those movies are through a spread of about 30 issues.... and are 80 percent accurate... gf Ebert...:)

toms
08-12-2004, 07:09 AM
Originally posted by Nalukai
Nieve,
:confused: in what way? When i see a film that gets great reviews i expect a film with great action scenes, great pacing, great ploting and that makes sense.... is that naive?

Not a True Believer,
:confused: Ahem... it is a comic/movie. How can you be a "true believer". All you can do is watch/read and either enjoy or not.

and lack of the use of a spoiler tag...
I thought about it, but (a) I'd have had to have put the whole post in a spoiler tag (b) i had to dig out an old thread because it has been out for ages (c) therefore pretty much everyone who wants to see it has already seen it (d) my post doesn't give away any critical plot points that weren't already given away by the trailer. Ive added a note at the top though.

Just about every event that has happened in both of those movies are through a spread of about 30 issues.... and are 80 percent accurate... gf Ebert...:)
"gf Ebert" ????

That would explain why they started about 20 sub plots, but didn't finish any of them to satisfaction... if they were trying to cram all those issues into one film. You almost wish they would have left a few out if they weren't going to have time to do anything with them.
Both spidey films seem to be trying for something really good, something more than your average "dumb comic movie". Which makes me want to like them more than they really deserve. They just always seem to fall short of achieving anything special.

txa1265
08-12-2004, 08:29 AM
Originally posted by toms
Corny "spidey saves train, they save him" scene:
This was almost as vomit makingly cheesy as the "no one messes with people in our town" bit on the bridge at the end of the first one. <snip> Why has sam rami suddenly become so corny and tried to be so patriotically american? toms, your strong anti-American bias is revealed ;) :D

If you watch those scenes objectively, what you see is the think that the green goblin said in #1 playing out - they are cheering you one second, reviling you the next. He just happens to be a NYC based hero ...

As for the rest, I agree with most of it. We rented #1 a couple of weeks ago, just after having seen #2 at the drive-in. They were enjoyable and entertaining ... but don't think too much ...

Mike

CapNColostomy
08-12-2004, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by toms
:confused: Ahem... it is a comic/movie. How can you be a "true believer". All you can do is watch/read and either enjoy or not.

True belever is a term coined by Stan Lee waaay back in the day to describe fans of Marvel Comics. I don't think it's meant to be taken litterally.

Evil Dark Jedi
08-16-2004, 10:08 AM
Originally posted by toms


Spidey loses powers: Why? What? THis smacked of a very unsubtle plot device that made no sense and wasn't needed. The whole relearning powers bit was just like the first film, and not needed and only there for comedy falling value.





Well Spidey loses powers is because

he didnt want to be spidey anymore for obvious reasons