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kookaburra
07-14-2004, 02:13 PM
Hi There,

Do you guys have any suggestions on what the KOTOR 2 ending might be like any discriptions? Do you think it might be like KOTOR 1? or do you think it be a much better ending? post any discription of the dark and light ending you like.

*Atris*
07-14-2004, 03:00 PM
the ending is goning to be way better at least i hope it is *crosses fingers* but also i think there is multiple dark endings/ light endings and i read somewhere there is a neutral ending.

Mav
07-14-2004, 10:01 PM
If you ask me a good ending was the only thing Kotor 1 lacked so Kotor 2 better improve on that

RedHawke
07-14-2004, 10:39 PM
^^^^^
KOTOR had an ending? When did this happen? I must have missed it. :D

I hope Obsidian is better at lightside/darkside endings!

Wait a tick!

They are adding prestiege-like classes in KOTOR 2 right?

What if they are doing an ending for each one of those 6 classes, that would make sense, each Jedi lightside ending would be similar but altered pending what your class was, the same with the Sith darkside... And that factor would encourage you play as each of those classes... At least once.

0rlo
07-15-2004, 05:43 PM
nice idea redhawke and iowieji. is there going to be mooshu?

Crowy
07-15-2004, 11:55 PM
just out of curiousity, how can one post on the ending when the full story line and plot hasnt been revealed?

RedHawke
07-16-2004, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by 0rlo
is there going to be mooshu?

What? :confused:

Orlo are you talking about chinese cuisine?

Toa Tahu
07-18-2004, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by 0rlo
is there going to be mooshu?
Brrr.Are you talking about wushu?If yes,then well,no,there's not gonna be no wushu in KotOR2.

Burrie
07-18-2004, 02:42 PM
What I am secretly hoping for is that something bloody awful happens at the end(Revan sacrifices himself, someone else gets captured?), a great revelation(no ideas here, as well as that the player has to make an important choice for the Light or the Dark Side(like joining the Sith or not). Then for the Light Side ending, there's a daring escape from whatever location you are(ala Cloud City in ESB), and at the end, the remains of the Republic start planning a way to strike back at the Sith, while your party begins searching for a way to find the captured party member... while for the Dark Side, you'd have to try and stop various of the party members from escaping(killing some of them in the process, while capturing one of the party members). In the final scene, it can be seen how the Sith are continuing their conquest of the galaxy, while seeing your character being introduced as a new member to the Sith council...

... both endings leading straight into a preview of Knights of the Old Republic 3, the final chapter of the KotO trilogy where all plot lines started in the series will be tied together to a spectacular conclusion, thus ending one of the most epic storylines seen in the Star Wars universe.

(mind you, this is NOT what I'm expecting. Just what I'd love to see :) )

Mav
07-19-2004, 12:46 AM
That is a very interesting ending story you got there Burrie...:D

RedHawke
07-19-2004, 02:25 AM
Thats exactly what I was thinking Burrie, not the specifics that you stated, but the Idea of leading into KOTOR 3 it would be very much a bonafide Star Wars storyline.

I hope they do something like this as well! :D

FiEND_138
07-19-2004, 09:45 AM
Hmmm... I must be the only 1 who didn't mind the LS ending for K1. Yeah, it wasn't 'super grand' or nothing, then again neither was Lukes when he dropped the Death Star from orbit in ANH.......

A celebration, applause, group shot, roll credits. I guess thats why I didn't mind it, it captured the feeling of the end of a Star Wars movie perfect, IMO.

Now, the DS ending was the pathetic one, again IMO. A few droids, just a few soldiers (o come on!!! theres gotta be more to bow before me in all my sithness), Bastila annoying the hell out of me (as usual). Absolutly nothing that feels like Star Wars (well maybe until Ep3's out).... meh. :rolleyes:

Burrie
07-19-2004, 11:56 AM
Hmmm... I must be the only 1 who didn't mind the LS ending for K1. Yeah, it wasn't 'super grand' or nothing, then again neither was Lukes when he dropped the Death Star from orbit in ANH.......

A celebration, applause, group shot, roll credits. I guess thats why I didn't mind it, it captured the feeling of the end of a Star Wars movie perfect, IMO.

I agree, I found the Light Side ending to be very rewarding. First a great redemption against Bastila due to the love that she had for Revan(I had yet to complete the romance quest on my first attempt, and when she said that she loved Revan, I found it to be a nice redemption), the final showdown against Malak(although I wouldn't mind if the 'Jedi-in-stasis' was dropped), and then the final destruction of the Star Forge. The ceremony did end things on a TPM/AN note, and that's what I really liked. (I'm only a wee bit dissapointed that despite the victory and the celebration, the Republic still almost loses and the Jedi Order is all but extinct)

Now, the DS ending was the pathetic one, again IMO. A few droids, just a few soldiers (o come on!!! theres gotta be more to bow before me in all my sithness), Bastila annoying the hell out of me (as usual). Absolutly nothing that feels like Star Wars (well maybe until Ep3's out).... meh.

Why am I suddenly getting this mental image of the 'troopers-marching-off-to-war' ending of EP2, except that only Vader and Palpatine is there, and Darth Vader is blathering on about how Palpy is now the sole ruler of the Empire? :p

The Dark Side ending... worked, I think. I found Vandar to be especially interesting near the end with his 'Then you... will lose' comment, brought me shivers... as well as the loss of all hope for Admiral Dodonna, a beautiful ending. As for the final ceremony, it kinda worked. The final bit with the Sith Fleet moving off to conquer the known galaxy was a nice closure, especially with the music, and it does leave open possibilities for Knights of the Old Republic 2. (remember, we never get to see Revan conquer the galaxy, anything could've happened)

Venom750
07-19-2004, 01:35 PM
I think KOTOR 2 has a dark side ending no matter what you did in the First game. I think this because atton rand ask you about it and you tell him revan did the light side but it still the dark side because the republic have tuck tale and ran back to the core worlds the sith are domating te galaxy and the jedi have been wiped out (except for you of course). So what you did in the first game was really pointless. :( :(

RedHawke
07-20-2004, 12:01 AM
Originally posted by FiEND_138
Hmmm... I must be the only 1 who didn't mind the LS ending for K1. Yeah, it wasn't 'super grand' or nothing, then again neither was Lukes when he dropped the Death Star from orbit in ANH.......

A celebration, applause, group shot, roll credits. I guess thats why I didn't mind it, it captured the feeling of the end of a Star Wars movie perfect, IMO.

I agree with you FiEND I liked the Lightside KOTOR ending, it was very EP4 and worked... Though with KOTOR: TSL starting out like it does I believe there is going to be a lot of explaining how we got from Celebration to Republic Armegeddon.

The Darkside ending in KOTOR also worked, yes the audience was small and they could have made it different, but it worked, with the game engine they had, and also compensating for slower computers out there.

FiEND_138
07-20-2004, 12:15 AM
Originally posted by RedHawke
Though with KOTOR: TSL starting out like it does I believe there is going to be a lot of explaining how we got from Celebration to Republic Armegeddon.


Yeah, I'm really curious to see how they'll explain what has happened, if you went LS in K1. Very curious.....

RedHawke
07-20-2004, 12:30 AM
Originally posted by FiEND_138
Yeah, I'm really curious to see how they'll explain what has happened, if you went LS in K1. Very curious.....

Thats also got me, what can of whoopass did the Sith open up for the Republic to go from victory to oblivion?

That better be one hell of a back story... A "I need some buttered popcorn for this part of the game", like story with lots of lengthly explaining!

Unless of course the Darkside ending is the official ending of KOTOR. That would explain a lot of things...

mxsuprastang
07-20-2004, 04:00 AM
I would love to see an ending for all 6 types of Jedi/sith. I loved both endings to KotOR, they had their own little Star Wars feelings, but it never hurts to see something new...even if it is like Ep2 :-D. But there is something that has been kind of bothering me in the Star Wars gaming community. Where are all the Jedi?! In every game there has been little to no Jedi in the Galaxy, even in KotOR when they hinted that the battle would be many Jedi vs. Many sith, instead it was many sith vs. 15-20 Jedi lol. I would just like to see a game with a whole butt-load of Jedi and a whole butt-load of Sith...and they die and live at an equal rate...a stalemate.....and THEN you are the one who turns the tide in the war...That would be a good series of games...three games of massive armies of Jedi slowly defeating massive armies of Sith or vise versa. *shrug* just my opinion.:)

Burrie
07-20-2004, 05:47 AM
Yeah, I'm really curious to see how they'll explain what has happened, if you went LS in K1. Very curious.....
Frankly, in the end, both the Light Side and the Dark Side endings have one thing in common, and that's both kept things way open.


While some say that the Dark Side ending can't work for KotOR 2 because Revan already completely conquers the galaxy in the end, we never see that. All we see is an incredibly large fleet of Sith Destroyers moving away from the Star Forge to conquer the galaxy. Who knows what has happened afterwards? Perhaps the loss of so many Jedi actually banded the Galaxy together against the vile Sith Empire, somewhat halting their progress. Perhaps the Jedi did an all-or-nothing strike, effectively crippling the Sith invasion. Hell, maybe Revan accidently slipped and fell on his activated saber, who knows?

As for the Light Side ending, well, pretty much the same story applies. Although it seems as if the destruction of the Star Forge was *the* victory that would decide the overall victory in the Sith Wars. Unfortunately, it was, apparantly, not. One should take into account that by the time of KotOR, the Sith Empire seems to have grown to almost the same heights that it was a few thousand years before KotOR during the Hyperspace Wars. Just like how the Empire did not go easily into the night after RotJ, the Sith Empire would likewise not go into the night that easily. In fact, it seems that they managed to get their act together better than any Grand Moff, Dark Jedi, Grand Admiral, Admiral or whatever ever could with Palpatine's Empire, and severely got their revenge on the Republic, decimating them, as well as the Jedi Order. A very admirable feat, one that I do hope will get some explanation without resorting to seeing a second Star Forge.

But as I mentioned, the Sith Empire did have quite a large Sith Empire. I personally always got the feeling that the galaxy was almost split 50/50 during the events of KotOR, and I doubt that the destruction of one very important shipyard(the Star Forge) will immediately create a situation where one side will automatically prevail over the other. Nope, it would seem that the situation only got more interesting after that...

RedHawke
07-20-2004, 07:54 AM
Originally posted by Burrie
Hell, maybe Revan accidently slipped and fell on his activated saber, who knows?

I thought Revan and possibly Bastila was supposed to have gone into the outer rim / unexplored space or something like that for KOTOR:TSL, and Revans fate will be revealed during the game, pending what you told the game happened in KOTOR, or something like that.

Burrie
07-20-2004, 08:23 AM
I thought Revan and possibly Bastila was supposed to have gone into the outer rim / unexplored space or something like that for KOTOR:TSL, and Revans fate will be revealed during the game, pending what you told the game happened in KOTOR, or something like that.
Well, I was merely throwing out a few possibilities as to why Revan didn't automatically crush the Republic at the end of the Dark Side ending.

Ach, another thing that I hope to see in KotOR, Bastila Shan. She was one of the most important aspects in KotOR and apparantly the single reason why the Republic had not immediately lost against the Sith Empire due to her skills with the rare Battle Meditation force power. She was one of the heroes in KotOR, the princess/Leia/Padme of the party, and I sincerely hope that she's not simply ignored or referenced in a single 'Oh, she died at some point' sentence from a NPC. She was a hero for the Republic, and a traitor as well at the end. Plus, I always enjoyed how she was designed, a fine character and actually the first Light Jedi who has been officially noted as wielding a double-bladed lightsaber.

(naturally, she'd most likely only have a supporting role seeing as how she could've been easily killed at the end of the Light Side ending, but none the less, I could live with that)

RedHawke
07-21-2004, 12:04 AM
^^^^^
I agree Burrie, Bastila was the most important of the NPC's in KOTOR, the entire story mostly centered around her, and Malak's search for her, not to mention the Revan Romance option, and I also hope her fate/whereabouts is revealed as well, and it better not be lame either! :mad:

"Duh... Bastila died when Darth Scion grew upset... Duh... and threw her down a shaft to the power core... Duh... and his ship blew up... Duh... That is why Darth Scion is like he is... Duh"

You know something lame like that! :D

FiEND_138
07-21-2004, 03:43 AM
^^^ LAME :p

Crowy
07-21-2004, 06:43 AM
Originally posted by FiEND_138
^^^ LAME :p

you are!

FiEND_138
07-21-2004, 06:50 AM
^^^

Just agreeing with Red, so ummm...

No you are!!!! j/k :D

{SITH}LazeruS
07-22-2004, 09:03 PM
Like everyone said, both light side and dark side left it wide open. What happened to Revan and Bastilla, who had the power at that time to claim there lives. Before going after Malak, you bastila and whoever with you fights 3 of the best sith knights. So in fact killing them what is left, Revan kills Maluk making him the most powerful person in the Sith and Bastilla being his apprentice.

They better have one hell of a intro movie, or starting game scene to explain how they died!

Now for my ending for Kotor2...

How i see it from what I read in PCGAMER, your chr is onboard the Ebin Hawk were he is found by miners and taken back to some Mineing Planet. Is your chr the person who has killed both Revan and Bastilla, loss memory deal like the begining of Kotor.
Now the ending for Kotor2 is pretty obvious you fight your way through 6 or 7 planets i believe, killing the 3 diff sith lords, and claiming throne to the Sith Order. <-- pretty laim, might as well play kotor again with some armor,power mods to make it like kotor2. Lightside ending hmmm pretty obviouse same stuff as before just that your the big old hero trying to protect the republic from the sith and making there cause survive once again. I hope iam wrong cause if there is a #3 in the series are we the gamers going to be kept dealing with, becoming the sith lord then your chr dies by someone then you must then re-fight your way to the throne once more under some other smucks name.

"lightbulb" - maybe its ravens son !! ewww wouldnt that be a twist hahah, IAM YOUR FATHER!COME TO THE DARKSIDE my son! no no no i wont ahhhh noo ahhhh....

FiEND_138
07-22-2004, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by {SITH}LazeruS


They better have one hell of a intro movie, or starting game scene to explain how they died

Where does it say their dead? I was under the impression Revan just disappeared to unknown regions to be met later in TSL (unless your talking about playing furthur into TSL, meeting Revan & being forced to kill him/her. If so ignore me). Atleast thats the way I interpreted the interviews. Maybe something was released about it recently concerning Revan's fate :confused:

{SITH}LazeruS
07-22-2004, 09:28 PM
note - I herd rumours they were dead, i was just saying if they died they better show us what the hell happened.

Even if he "Revan" and Bastilla are still alive, there is total 3 Sith Lords in Kotor2, so if Revan is alive he is for sure 1 of the Sith Lords, now that leaves 2, Scion, and who is the last? Could be Bastilla but that cant be, because if she wanted to move up she would have to fight her master aka Revan.

So if they are alive, Bastilla or Revan could be the chr with the mask "white mask with red on it". But that makes me mad, cause Kotor you work your butt to get to sith lord then kotor2 u have to be some unkown last jedi and decide which path you want to take, is this not the same story from kotor minus the starforge.

FiEND_138
07-22-2004, 09:34 PM
Ahhhh.... I see. No more :confused:

Yeah, I'm kinda thinkin the same thing with the guy in the mask, if your play through was DS in K1.

{SITH}LazeruS
07-22-2004, 09:43 PM
it be kinda ammusing though. u meet this misterious sith lord, in the white mask, then half way through the fight you stop, the lord takes the mask off


waaaa laaaaaaaa, hey bastilla sup girl, ohh iam fighting you damn sorry u got to die.

Mav
07-22-2004, 09:47 PM
I don't know who said it, but someone here said that your character, the main PC, has memory loss, but thats false in some interview I read the guy clearly stated there would be no amnesia in this game, just thought I'd point that out.

FiEND_138
07-22-2004, 09:56 PM
^^^
Correct.
http://winterwind-productions.com/gaming_industry/avellone2.html

{SITH}LazeruS
07-22-2004, 09:56 PM
just reading here in PCGAMER,

-the game begins as you are found alone,unconscious, and adrift in the battle scared Ebon Hawk by a mining vessel and taken back to its station for treatment, you later then wake up finding everyone dead on the station!?!?! except for one survivor who joins your quest.

btw iam the one who mentioned memory loss, i didnt say that it was how the story happens but if in fact the game starts like that, what i said was it be kinda stupid since seeing in KOTOR you begin not knowing who you really are. Might happen in KOTOR2 but might not we will have to see, I just hope they dont.

Mav
07-23-2004, 01:51 AM
-the game begins as you are found alone,unconscious, and adrift in the battle scared Ebon Hawk by a mining vessel and taken back to its station for treatment, you later then wake up finding everyone dead on the station!?!?! except for one survivor who joins your quest.

I just hope that this one survivor lasts longer that Trask :(

As far as the fate of Bastila and Revan, This is what I think will happen or would be cool if it happened:

KotOR 1 LS ending: Revan and Bastila's romance has been discovered by the Jedi Council and seeing as "attachment" is forbidden to the Jedi they are banished by the Jedi Council to the Outer Rim. There Bastila starts to turn to the Darkside, think of Jolee's story about his wife and how she was turned to the Darkside by Exar Kun's ambitions (I believe), so Bastila turns to the Darkside and kills Revan and she becomes one of the Sith Lords.

KotOR 1 DS ending w/ Bastila dead: This one I have no idea about I guess Revan is just off playing in the daisies in the Outer Rim and he is one of the Sith Lords you'll face.

KotOR 1 DS ending w/ Bastila alive: Bastila becomes over ambitious as all Sith do and she defeats Revan and becomes one of the Sith Lords you will have to face later on.


Well that is my take on things.

Crowy
07-23-2004, 03:51 AM
atton rand is actually going to be one of the key characters in the game if i remember correctly, so he wont die like trask did

Mav
07-23-2004, 03:56 AM
Yea I just read a preview that said that!! Yea I really wanted Trask in my party instead of Carth, thanks god for KSE and its appearence editor.!!