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boranchistanger
07-14-2004, 07:26 PM
Some things have come to my attention that I feel necessary for the entire clan world to know. I would never do something so serious as bring down someone's reputation unless it is completely necessary. In this instance it is very necessary. When someone has other's decieved and deliberately attempts the destruction of another clan then it is necessary. To back up what I am about to post I will use quotes from numerous PM's. With them I will post the date they were recieved along with what the quotes were responding to. Since I know many of you will not believe what I am posting I will be asking a couple moderators and the admin to login to my account and personally look at these PM's and confirm them on this thread.

At the end of May the IEF forums along with the IEF website were hacked into and brought down for a couple of days. Framing one of the IEF members this 40 year old who lives with his mom attempted to bring down my clan without any antagonizing nor reason other than the fact that this 40 year old who lives with his mom's clan was being eclipsed by the IEF. The culprit was Van Lingo. The proof is there along with the fact he openly admitted to it in a recent PM. The IP addresses match and the fact this took place the DAY I registered into his forums (Which allows him to see my password which happened to be used in the forums along with the website) is not just coincidence. After stealing my account on that day he posted the day after on the IEF forums.

Links to prove that point
Look at the date registered for my account on his forum (http://swbattlefront.netfirms.com/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.pl?board=;action=viewprofile;username=Boran)
Look at the date the Antagonist's first message was posted on the IEF forums (http://iefbattlefront.proboards28.com/index.cgi?board=Trash&action=display&num=1086036780)

And, in a recent PM to me Van Lingo admitted that he was the hacker.

Recieved 07-14-2004 06:38 PM No, it's not unfortunate. I should have deleted your website and forums when I had the chance. Moron.

And I will quote from one of his members right now

Yaebginn When you find the hacker we will destroy him on this forum, if that helps

Well, there he is.

Some other points of concern which Van Lingo has brought to my attention

Recieved 07-14-2004 06:38 PM I never stole Tiak from you because Tiak never existed. Tiak was one of my members and still is. So I guess he won't be rejoining you. Idiot.

Recieved 07-13-2004 05:03 PM And I wouldn't be too quick to call your members "mature". One of your members already defected to [HD], and another one in your weak senate feeds me info (which is pretty much useless, since your clan never does anything constructive). This person has already promised to join [HD] AND bring their friend along in September (you should be able to figure out who it is by now).

To stoop down to a level in which you are intentionally trying to sabotage another leader's clan, especially one that has never done anything bad to you other than being a better clan, is absolutely rediculous and wrong. I did have fun though feeding Tiak some false information, hehehe. And as for his mole in the senate, biggest bluff ever.

Those are the key points that I wish to point out. I really don't need to remind everyone of HD's flaming of the IEF threads along with Van Lingo's consistent attempts to turn everyone against the IEF. I will now post each PM which I have gotten these quotes out of in full. Like I said, a mod and hopefully the admin will confirm all of this.

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VanLingo
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Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 315
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Re:

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boranchistanger wrote on 07-13-2004 10:46 AM:

And I also include at the end of it "do you have AIM?". And that is absolutely nothing to posting three seperate threads on the exact same topic!

-Boran

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I can post as many threads as I want to, boran.

And I wouldn't be too quick to call your members "mature". One of your members already defected to [HD], and another one in your weak senate feeds me info (which is pretty much useless, since your clan never does anything constructive). This person has already promised to join [HD] AND bring their friend along in September (you should be able to figure out who it is by now).

You misspelled "separate".
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boranchistanger
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Re:
Really? Which member did you steal from me? If you are referring to Tiak who left the IEF than you are highly mistaken. He will most likely rejoin the IEF between now and game release day.

And as for this so called mole you have in the IEF I simply don't buy it. From the clues you gave you're reffering to either Revan Onasi or Luke Katarn, both of whom are very loyal. And you refer to the IEF as un-constructive. The IEF has done 10 times more things than your puny insignificant clan has. I honestly thought our two clans could be friends. I guess I was wrong. It's unfortinate really.

-Boran

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07-14-2004 03:10 PM

And he responded

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VanLingo
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Registered: Jan 2004
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Re:
No, it's not unfortunate. I should have deleted your website and forums when I had the chance. Moron.

I never stole Tiak from you because Tiak never existed. Tiak was one of my members and still is. So I guess he won't be rejoining you. Idiot.

And to wrap it up, "10 times more" is quite an over-statement. You can't claim anything constructive to the community.
Your one contribution is your clan site, which doesn't get any hits, has worse graphics than a PSOne screenshot, has pop-up ads, and the title is misspelled.

Not only are you a braggart, you're clueless. Go buy some school supplies, try on some polo shirts for 9th grade (ooh, big boy's in high school now!), feed your goldfish, and watch the "Why Can't We Be Friends" music video, because you will be OWNED when SWB comes out.

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07-14-2004 06:38 PM


-Boran Chistanger
Co-Leader of the IEF

LukeKatarn
07-14-2004, 07:43 PM
HOW DARE VAN LINGO!!!? THAT THAT... JERK

yaebginn
07-14-2004, 09:00 PM
Wait a second, I never said that. I remeber having numerous conversations with you, but I never said anything regarding destroying the hacker. And those conversations could've eaily been doctored by you. Easily.

boranchistanger
07-14-2004, 09:34 PM
Wait a second, I never said that. I remeber having numerous conversations with you, but I never said anything regarding destroying the hacker. And those conversations could've eaily been doctored by you. Easily.

You said that in my militia thread which I deleated a while ago. And as for credability I am getting the admin along with a mod to confirm these PM's. And that is a lot of typing for me to doctor up!

-Boran

yaebginn
07-14-2004, 09:42 PM
you ahve the free time, dont you? and isnt it conveinient that it's now deleted.

VanLingo
07-15-2004, 03:54 AM
Never thought you'd stoop this low, Boran. You must be pretty desperate for attention.

Isn't this off-topic and flaming?

Alegis
07-15-2004, 10:24 AM
and another one in your weak senate feeds me info
That's quite sad. This is just clans to play a game for fun, it's not because the game aint out yet you need to play "Spy the intelligence service"

sad, sad

isnt it conveinient that it's now deleted.

If a lot of flaming was going on i don't see why a topic beeing deleted is special

boranchistanger
07-15-2004, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by VanLingo
Never thought you'd stoop this low, Boran. You must be pretty desperate for attention.

Isn't this off-topic and flaming?

When you are deliberately decieving and lying to the entire clan world and attempting to bring other clan's down then it concerns the entire clan world Van Lingo. It is not off-topic since it is relevent to all clans. And I didn't flame Van Lingo, I just presented your statements along with the evidence I already have.

-Boran

yaebginn
07-15-2004, 10:42 AM
he says I said somethign I was positive I didnt say. He says its froma deleted thread. I think he's lying. I'm about 95% positive I ddint post that. The other five percent is in case someone drugged me and made me type it. Not likely.

boranchistanger
07-15-2004, 10:51 AM
Greetings. Of course you all know me.
HD is offically enemies of the IEF. I am starting a spam campain that will flood the swbattlefront clan forums against your clan.
Dozens will join the cause of the IEF because they now can see what a scoundrel you are Van Lingo.
I wish you all good luck on the battle field evne though your leadership is deceptive and not very freindly.

-Boran

Look at what Van Lingo posted on his forum using my account.

-Boran

yaebginn
07-15-2004, 10:55 AM
You Liar! Thats such a lame trick. You posted that and are now trying to accuse Van Lingo. I cant believe you.

< I hate the HD> ooh, that was boran trying to frame me! thats so lame.

boranchistanger
07-15-2004, 10:59 AM
Yaebginn, oh my god. Use your stinking brain! First off look at the time it was posted, I was in bed for gods sakes! I can't even log into that account for god's sake so I had to make a new one. Use your head Yaebginn.

-Boran

yaebginn
07-15-2004, 11:04 AM
I am! Here's how it goes. First you fram Van Lingo about being the hacker. Myabe there actually was a hacker, or maybe you made him up. Then you tell everyone and show 'evidence' Then you log in on your accout in our forums and pretend your Van Lingo pretending to be you. It would be easy. Just type what you really feel and it makes Lingo look bad. Then you post it on the forum, showing everyone, so it makes Van Lingo look even worse. Thats a new low.

VanLingo
07-15-2004, 01:02 PM
Boran, your account on my forum has now been locked. And you are not allowed to make a new one.
I don't take very kindly to someone "spamming" these boards like this, and I especially don't like it when it's a stunt to try and disrespect someone.

Just because I deleted my recruiting thread each time you posted on it does not justify you putting words in my mouth.

For the record, the time on my forums has been messed up since I created it. I just fixed it this morning. It was set 7 hours ahead, and you knew that. If you'll notice, the date on these forums is ahead one day, so pointing out post times proves nothing.

If I was trying to frame you, Boran, I would at least give you the benefit of a couple of commas and better spelling. :p

EDIT: Oh, also for the record -- I did say most of that stuff that Boran posted. But all this about hacking was doctored in. Not hard to do. Next thing you know, he'll have a photo of me and Monica Lewinski. :p

XMajor
07-15-2004, 01:47 PM
wow

Jaden Malip
07-15-2004, 02:27 PM
Boran has all the proof, you're just saying that you didn't. Hmmm, who's is more predictable.

boranchistanger
07-15-2004, 02:29 PM
Boran, your account on my forum has now been locked. And you are not allowed to make a new one.

NP just don't try to frame me by using my account on your forums.

I don't take very kindly to someone "spamming" these boards like this, and I especially don't like it when it's a stunt to try and disrespect someone.

And I don't take very kindly to someone who lies and decieves to the entire clan world like you are doing on this thread and hack into people's forums.

Just because I deleted my recruiting thread each time you posted on it does not justify you putting words in my mouth.

Oh, there's a reason that I would do something like this. Get a clue.

For the record, the time on my forums has been messed up since I created it. I just fixed it this morning. It was set 7 hours ahead, and you knew that. If you'll notice, the date on these forums is ahead one day, so pointing out post times proves nothing.

But you logging onto my account and trying to frame me does prove something.

If I was trying to frame you, Boran, I would at least give you the benefit of a couple of commas and better spelling.

Van Lingo, if you wanted to frame me at least you could have done it a little less obvious.

Oh, also for the record -- I did say most of that stuff that Boran posted. But all this about hacking was doctored in. Not hard to do. Next thing you know, he'll have a photo of me and Monica Lewinski.

Good job lying Van Lingo. When the admin along with a mod confirms all of this I would love to see the look on your face you filthy liar.

-Boran

VanLingo
07-15-2004, 02:57 PM
I'm not getting into any trouble. You're the one flaming.

Here's your major flaw, boran:
You're trying to say that I'm "decieving the entire clan world" by framing you.
If your accusations are true, it has nothing to do with the rest of the "clan world".

You're defeating yourself by thinking too much into it. I have no reason to "frame" you, and if I did, I'd do it a lot better than the sorry setup you've concocted.

I'm going to let this thread die. It has no relevance whatsoever to the clan community.

Jaden Malip
07-15-2004, 05:05 PM
If you actually think that then you're a bloody idiot.

yaebginn
07-15-2004, 05:06 PM
actaully, all boran has produced is quotes that coulda easily been doctored.

Jaden Malip
07-15-2004, 05:10 PM
All Lingo has is his own words, which cannot actually be proved.

Volt1
07-15-2004, 06:25 PM
Oh come on everyone. This is Boran for crying out loud. And has he ever lied to you before. I dont think so. And besides, why would Boran try to frame Van Lingo for no reason, huh huh. And I know you are saying I am a lyer but i really do not care becuase I know I am telling the truth

Balmung
07-15-2004, 08:42 PM
:fett: Your both a bunch of idiots. Why dont you Boran Just mind your own damn buisness! and Lingo why the hell would you hack the site if I were any of your clan I wouldn't even associate myself with you!:fett:

Alegis
07-15-2004, 09:17 PM
Originally posted by yaebginn
actaully, all boran has produced is quotes that coulda easily been doctored.

Since I know many of you will not believe what I am posting I will be asking a couple moderators and the admin to login to my account and personally look at these PM's and confirm them on this thread.

yaebginn
07-15-2004, 09:56 PM
Boran once told me on AIM that he could easily hack into Van Lingo's files on the forum, and while I didnt copy it, because I'm not a jerk, if Boran is honest, he'll admit he said that.

boranchistanger
07-15-2004, 09:59 PM
Yes I did say that because at one time I thought I had the capabilities of doing so. Obviously I do not though. And Yaebginn, I haven't hacked into anyone's forum nor their account and brought down someone's clan for two days.

-Boran

boranchistanger
07-15-2004, 10:12 PM
Here are the full PM's. These were taken by digital cameras so the quality isn't great however they are readable.

http://www.thedunedain.com/~erthalion/photos/menu's.jpg

http://www.thedunedain.com/~erthalion/photos/menus.jpg

-Boran

Volt1
07-15-2004, 10:18 PM
Try to deny THAT Lingo

yaebginn
07-15-2004, 10:43 PM
he already admitted that he said he could hack into Van lingos files, whats stopping him from this?

Volt1
07-15-2004, 10:50 PM
And why would he hack into Van Lingos account make a pretend conversation with himself and then send himself a pm.

yaebginn
07-15-2004, 11:05 PM
I dont know how much is framed, van lingo admitted some. But ultimately, to destroy the competition. HD is growing steadily and we are a major contributor to the clan world. He wants IEF to be the best and has often said over AIM to me that it is. He wants to destroy the next biggest threat to him.

VanLingo
07-16-2004, 12:29 AM
You want me to deny it?

Look at the post count under my avatar on those pictures. This is obviously a very bad attempt at doctoring, then using the old digital-camera-pic-of-a-monitor ploy.

Look how easy it is to edit this stuff: Boran confessing his handicap. (http://republic.fragism.com/hireondemand/boranmessage.htm)

Thanks for the good effort, Boran. But you're going to have to come up with something more tangible.

Xirion
07-16-2004, 06:24 AM
*walks in*
hmmmm

de ja vu

yaebginn
07-16-2004, 09:38 AM
I didnt see that coming. We're there for you boran, dont beat yourself up.

boranchistanger
07-16-2004, 10:24 AM
Originally posted by yaebginn
I dont know how much is framed, van lingo admitted some. But ultimately, to destroy the competition. HD is growing steadily and we are a major contributor to the clan world. He wants IEF to be the best and has often said over AIM to me that it is. He wants to destroy the next biggest threat to him.

Of course I have stated that my goal is for my clan to become the greatest clan in the game, which it is easially on the road to being. Now, why would I target HD Yaebginn if it isn't the "next big threat"? HD is in the middle of the pack right now in size and its members hardly ever post. They now need 3 recruiting threads to get two members! And why would I want to get rid of a major contributor to the clan world if his contributions not only betters the IEF but also every other clan?

And as for that conversation we had about the whole passwords thing, like I said I lied privately to you. I lied privately to you because I knew you would pass that info over to Van Lingo and that would prevent him from doing another hacking thing. Do I actually have those passwords? Uh, no. There is no possible way I could get those, no possible way. If you think of a way someone could do that, let me know.

Look how easy it is to edit this stuff: Boran confessing his handicap.

OK, first off, for the record, Van Lingo denies these PM's. Keep that in mind folks.

Second, the post count there is 316, as you can clearly see, that was your post count prior to the pictures being taken.

Thanks for the good effort, Boran. But you're going to have to come up with something more tangible.

I still await a reply from a mod and from the admin.

-Boran

yaebginn
07-16-2004, 10:32 AM
but what say you about the you confessing your handicap? that makes ur pics invalid. of, and if you lied then, what keeps you from lying now? seems u lie alot, eh?

Volt1
07-16-2004, 10:41 AM
And what keeps Van Lingo from lying

yaebginn
07-16-2004, 10:55 AM
nothing, nothing keeps any of us from lying. except van lingo has never lied to us in the past. he is just trying to defend himself against this wild accusation. I know I'd be all freaked out if boran acuused me of screwing up his stuff. I just cant beleive boran stooped this low.

boranchistanger
07-16-2004, 10:55 AM
Originally posted by yaebginn
but what say you about the you confessing your handicap? that makes ur pics invalid. of, and if you lied then, what keeps you from lying now? seems u lie alot, eh?

Yaebginn, it's very obvious those pics Van Lingo produced were doctored, look at the font for god sakes along with the color!

yaebginn
07-16-2004, 10:59 AM
of course its doctored, he's just showing how easy it is. I didnt expect you to realoy say that

boranchistanger
07-16-2004, 11:03 AM
Originally posted by yaebginn
of course its doctored, he's just showing how easy it is. I didnt expect you to realoy say that

I want you guys to look for any flaw in the pictures. If something is doctored there is always a flaw. I saw many in Van Lingo's "counterproof" and I would like you to find some in the pictures I produced for you about the actual PM's.

-Boran

yaebginn
07-16-2004, 11:06 AM
maybe ur better at it then him, I'm not good at all that find the flaw in this thing. maybe u just used differnt font.

VanLingo
07-16-2004, 11:15 AM
Boran, look at it this way -- what would it look like if I now took a digital photo? It'd be so blurry -- like yours -- that no one would know the difference.

You know this, because that's exactly what you did.

boranchistanger
07-16-2004, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by VanLingo
Boran, look at it this way -- what would it look like if I now took a digital photo? It'd be so blurry -- like yours -- that no one would know the difference.

You know this, because that's exactly what you did.

I'll scan the stinking thing for you then.

-Boran

VanLingo
07-16-2004, 12:05 PM
"Scan it"? Scan what? Scan your monitor screen? Or the printed page that you edited with a ballpoint pen?

EDIT: I also want to point out the "many" mistakes in my doctored image. The font is exactly the same (Verdana, the same one the site uses) and the color is exactly the same.
The only noticeable edit is the color and size (off by one point) of the link at the bottom.
So since you're so smart, point out exactly what is different between my image and the original post.

yaebginn
07-16-2004, 12:15 PM
boran, I honestly cant believe you. You accuse VanLingo of being a hacker, and then dont have the stuff to back it. You ay, 'oh, but the pms in my file' you also said that you could hack into Vanlingos file and chnage things.

oh, but the pics. vanlingo proved that theory wrong, unless you actually are a big dumb reatrd who cant tie his shoes.

you have no hardcore proof and I already told u what I need for absolute proof, which u wont provide.

VanLingo
07-16-2004, 12:32 PM
It's all right, Yaeb.

First of all, boran can try his hardest and never produce anything more valid than what he has.
Which are:

-- Quotes. What is that?! Hey, watch this:[Originally posted by boranchistanger
I lied. I am totally guilty. I will live in shame forever because Van Lingo is always right.
Just because he hates me does not mean that he hates the rest of the clan world.
I was wrong to post this thread because it is really just a personal war.
-- Very blurry screenshots. Easily fudged.

Second, there is no way a mod will get involved in this unless it come to flaming (which I am not -- boran is) or something of higher importance than a weak attempt at framing.

LukeKatarn
07-16-2004, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by yaebginn
nothing, nothing keeps any of us from lying. except van lingo has never lied to us in the past. he is just trying to defend himself against this wild accusation. I know I'd be all freaked out if boran acuused me of screwing up his stuff. I just cant beleive boran stooped this low. JUST LIKE BORAN HAS NEVER LIED TO US!!!!!!!!!

Jaden Malip
07-16-2004, 01:11 PM
And how would you know that lingo has never lied to you. You don't.

Jaden Malip
07-16-2004, 01:14 PM
And are you telling me that you wouldn't defend Lingo if Boran did the same?

yaebginn
07-16-2004, 01:30 PM
one thing, how do you know that boran isnt lying? You cant be positive of almost anything. I'm not 100 hundred percent positive of alot of things. But whatever van lingo told me, its always backed up by hardcore proof and all. boran has no hardcore proof. lingo is trustworthy, boran is not. I have caught him being really sneaky before.

Jaden Malip
07-16-2004, 01:31 PM
You're right, I can't be sure. But what hardcore proof does lingo have?

yaebginn
07-16-2004, 01:35 PM
Innocent until proven guilty. He doesnt need proof because he's innocent. Van Lingo doesnt have to present all thses facts, because he's not the offence. Boran should have hardcore proof if he's gonna accuse Van Lingo of such a thing.

XMajor
07-16-2004, 02:18 PM
"Innocent until proven guilty" isn't exactly hardcore proof, though you would make a decent juror, yaebginn. Boran does have proof of the PMs, which could be doctored. The only way he can prove to me that they are not is to let me go on his name and look at his PMs. That is the ONLY way to prove the messages are not doctored besides visiting his house. Then, assuming the messages are real, there is enough evidence to prove that Van Lingo was in fact the hacker because the message said "I should have deleted your website and forums when I had the chance." At which point his clan should be dissolved. No need for a myg0t battlefront community.

That is the only way to resolve this issue using hardcore proof. If those messages were deleted or never existed then Van Lingo is simply not guilty.

I don't know why you guys say there was no motives for lying.

For example: Boran wants his clan to be the best, and often is very up front that his clan makes everyone look bad. He noticed some trash talking going on about his clan by HD and decided to blame his hacker problem on Van. He then doctors some crazy posts all over the message boards, claiming it was Van.

or Van: He's sick of IEF bragging and arguing with his clan all the time, so he hacks into Boran's account. He then logs onto Boran's name and makes that post about spam wars. You see that he has made accusations that he would have done a better job if he had hacked into Boran's account which in fact means he probably would've dumbed it down a lot.

yaebginn
07-16-2004, 02:59 PM
even if you did go on his file, he said to me that he could hack into Van Lingo'sfiles. whats stopping him from doing that and planting the messages? and van Lingo doesnt need proof to prove his innnocense. If I said that the lady at wal mart was a nazi. she wouldnt need proof to prove she's not, I'd just need proof against her. and if I could give it, the case would be invalid.

VanLingo
07-16-2004, 03:17 PM
This is getting nowhere. And it probably never will.

I'm resting my case. The reason that I have no proof of innocence is because there is no such thing. What do you want me to do? Take a screenshot of the PMs I didn't send? Let you all see my outgoing folder?

I never hacked boran's accounts nor claimed to.
If I was a hacker, don't you think that I'd have a nicer website? I'm not a hacker, otherwise every single one of boran's accounts would be gone and his computer crashed.

Three times now boran has accused, with sketchy evidence.
Quotes (no basis whatsoever for accusation), fuzzy pictures (close enough to be believable, but still no dice), and moderator intervention (won't happen unless it's a policy break).

It's my word against his.
And you're welcome to believe him. By all means, go ahead.
Just keep in mind: boran is a 14-year-old kid with nothing but summer time and wishful thinking that the IEF will be some overlord dynasty.
I am a 22-year-old college video game junkie who just wants to play.

EDIT: And XMajor, you're dangerously smart ;)

XMajor
07-16-2004, 03:23 PM
Where did I say Van Lingo needed any proof? :) I didn't. He is the defendant. He just needs to prove Boran wrong and he, and you, are doing a good job.

You make another good point about him being able to hack into his files which basically aquits Van Lingo. That is borderline reasonable doubt. "Hacking" is a tough issue.

Gotta settle this. One week after the game is released - HD vs. IEF 30 minute match.:p

VanLingo
07-16-2004, 04:04 PM
You know, I should probably shutup, but I'm gonna let a new cat out of the bag. (*Groan*, I know)

Here is a link to a page that is compiled of two separate conversations between Yaeb Ginn and Boran. The second conversation was also witnessed by two more IEF members.
Click here for the chat session log. (http://republic.fragism.com/hireondemand/boranconv.htm)

Whether you believe the session or not is entirely up to you. However, the remainder of the conversation (which is not posted) is basically Boran claiming that he owns up to everything he says. So it would be very hypocritical for him to suddenly deny a chat session that featured three witnesses.

Now, it seems to me that this is much more disturbing news than what this thread is about.
Not only did I NOT claim to hack one website, Boran DID claim to hack them all!

On top of all that, he admits to lying ("only Jesus never lied...everyone else has"). But this whole thread, he's been saying that he never lied to anybody!

Personally, I think that this little chat is more relevant to the clan community (Boran claiming to have everyone's passwords) than my hatred of Boran. I have never carried a fight as far as he has.

yaebginn
07-16-2004, 04:08 PM
very good old boy. hey, doesnt zztop sing a song that goes, 'do do do do do do do do do <nernernerner> couldnt get much higher do do do do.

Anyways, lets discuss this new bit of evidence, shall we? yeah, I remeber those. Good times. I wish I saved the part where I made fun of boran for using such big font, that was funny. but yep, the second one happened like, yesterday or the day b4. and the other one like, less than a month ago? maybe a bit more. Let's all take down the Forum Nazi

Jaden Malip
07-16-2004, 05:06 PM
I was IN that AIM conversation, and Boran never said that.

I'm just gonna leave it now, and say that both of you are innocent as this going knowhere.

EDIT: Ignore that 1st part, I was looking at the wrong conversation:p

yaebginn
07-16-2004, 06:05 PM
thats funny how fast you say Van Lingo's inncent once he produces a counter-attack.

Jaden Malip
07-16-2004, 06:07 PM
Jesus. I'm only stopping because I can't be arsed to argue anymore. It's just pointless if it's just going to be "He did this", "No I didn't".

And for the record, that file could easily have been changed.

Thats it. I'm not saying anymore unless I can be arsed to.

yaebginn
07-16-2004, 06:10 PM
b4, you were all down Lingo's throat. and now you're like, ' Oh, they're both innocent' as soon as Van Lingo has a case against boran.

GlobalStrike
07-16-2004, 06:14 PM
Is it just me, or does that chat log feel really made up? I mean, come on, it sounds WAY too obvious. :jawa :jawa

yaebginn
07-16-2004, 06:16 PM
its not made up, I was there. The second one, you ahve witnesses. But the first, I swear was real. Boran let alot out because he didnt think I'd copy it. it is real, though I dont know if boran will admit this one. cause right after the conversation, I emailed it to van lingo to warn him. I'm glad he saved it. the first one if my favorite.

GlobalStrike
07-16-2004, 06:30 PM
I'm not saying it is made up or anything, just that it feels, weird. :jawa :jawa

yaebginn
07-16-2004, 06:35 PM
I imagine it would. It was done a bit ago, though. so he woulda felt less need for precaution.

Volt1
07-16-2004, 06:56 PM
Ok then, I was also in that chatroom. And GlobalStrike you are half right half wrong. You are wrong becuase that chat did very much happen. You are right becuase Lingo got ahold of it and cutted out some of the words. And yes Boran did say he lied. BUT not about accusing Lingo as a hacker. He lied about saying he could get into Lingos account. So next time Van Lingo when you try to defend yourself, DONT CHEAT!!!

yaebginn
07-16-2004, 06:59 PM
Not uh, I saw exactly what happened. Ur just sitcking up for him because he's ur leader.

boranchistanger
07-16-2004, 08:03 PM
Alright, lets get this straight for the last time. The conversation that Van Lingo provided between me and Yaebginn is true true true. However, what I was saying is not what it appears. I LIED to Yaebginn there for the safety of my clan.

At that time I knew that Van Lingo was the culprit for the whole hacker thing (the IP addresses matched after all) and I assumed he could do it again. Now, I made all it up to Yaebginn knowing that there was a good chance he would pass that on to Van Lingo. I hoped that that bluff would dissuade Van Lingo from doing a similar thing to the IEF like he did at the end of May.

Now, think about this. The only possible way someone could pull something like this off is to get the password for the guy's account and password. There is no way even an expert hacker can do so.

Now, on that day the "Antagonist" struck I had registered into Van lingo's HD forums. Now, the admin of the forum can look at anyone's password. At that time I used the same password for everything so, on that day, Lingo had access to my password on that day and therefor every other account I had. So, he simply went on my admin account on the IEF forums, my websites along with my email account and changed the passwords. Very simple.

And Van Lingo had every motive to do so. I mean, the guy's clan was being completely overshadowed by the IEF's rapiud growth and my continued invlolvement into the clan community. Plus the fact the two of us got into a fight that morning also didn't help.

Now, "the Antagonist" attempted to frame Rourk by saying to "Cancel the trial against me". At that time Rourk was on trial for some misconduct. Lingo and Antakah were the only other people outside the IEF who knew anything about ROurk's trial and Antakah was out of town or something during that time. Lingo only knew that Rourk was on trial though, he didn't know that ROurk has been my best gaming friend for the past 4 years and has had much worse things happen to him because of me than a stupid trial. lol. Now, every member in the IEF knows this so the antagonist couldn't of been an IEF member.

So, I get my accounts back, immediately violate the agreement to cancel Rourk's trial (Which Rourk publically said was OK) and changed my passwords. And what do you know the guy never came back.

Now, the IP addresses of Van Lingo's posts along with the posts made by the "antagonist" had the exact same IP address. And the fact that Van Lingo's denial of any involvement PM came only minutes after the "antagonists" last post. Now he admits in a PM that he is the culprit and flat out denies all of this. That's quite funny isn't it.

I have a couple of questions for you Lingo. Why were my posts in your forum cancelling relations with HD deleated both times I typed them in? Why was my rebuttel which I posted after you used my account to post that fake message in my name deleated? And I'm glad you took the bait Van Lingo, you went into my old website account (Which I haven't changed the password since the end of May) and deleated half my member page? And then you try to recruit Luke Katarn who you have spoken out against numerous times by using that? Very interesting now isn't it.

Now, a couple of responses.

Personally, I think that this little chat is more relevant to the clan community (Boran claiming to have everyone's passwords) than my hatred of Boran. I have never carried a fight as far as he has.

Let's see here, after hacking into my forums you allow your members to flame my thread. During that whole thing my members never flamed back at HD and I was the one who in the end proposed the peace. Might I ask what examples you have of the IEF taking a fight to far?

For example: Boran wants his clan to be the best, and often is very up front that his clan makes everyone look bad. He noticed some trash talking going on about his clan by HD and decided to blame his hacker problem on Van. He then doctors some crazy posts all over the message boards, claiming it was Van.

People say that a lot. When have I publically said the IEF was the best clan and that all other clans should go to HE double hockey sticks? I said the IEF was the best clan ONE TIME publically in the old IEF thread (Deleated by Van Lingo when he took my accounts). Privately I have said it however it was in the proper context of the chat. Yaebginn and I have had that debate numeroius times and each time Yaebginn has started it by saying HD is the number one clan.

Now, it seems to me that this is much more disturbing news than what this thread is about.
Not only did I NOT claim to hack one website, Boran DID claim to hack them all!

And, as I have said before, I lied at that time and for good reason to. And I never brought down a clan for 2 days, attempted to frame someone by using your admin powers and so forth.

Just keep in mind: boran is a 14-year-old kid with nothing but summer time and wishful thinking that the IEF will be some overlord dynasty.

Nothing but summer time along with Golf everty other day, tennis league, baseball along with my political studies. Plus I like goiung to a couple of concerts here and there (The Blink 182 concert was pretty cool btw, recommend you all go see it). And I just laugh at that last statement as, unlike you, I have never tried to completely destroy another clan for no reason other than they're better.

-Boran

yaebginn
07-16-2004, 08:08 PM
that took you so long? jeez its not that long. and I'm not buying that u lied. its alot easier to admit u lied then fess up. If u lied then, then whats stopping u from lying now? It's way way eaiser to say, 'oh yeah, I lied' then to fess up and explain.

boranchistanger
07-16-2004, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by yaebginn
that took you so long? jeez its not that long. and I'm not buying that u lied. its alot easier to admit u lied then fess up. If u lied then, then whats stopping u from lying now? It's way way eaiser to say, 'oh yeah, I lied' then to fess up and explain.

Like I have said I have never lied in public. I will swear on my honor along with every thing I stand for that I am telling the truth that I lied. For me that's quite a bit to swear on.

Now, as for the length, well, the first time I wrote it it was a lot longer, however the tupid forums made me relogin after I clicked submitted then it said invalid. So I had to retype it again.

-Boran

yaebginn
07-16-2004, 09:17 PM
if your a liar, then that wouldnt mean muhc, would it?

boranchistanger
07-16-2004, 09:28 PM
if your a liar, then that wouldnt mean muhc, would it?

I guess every person in the world is a liar then Yaebginn? I lied once to you for the defence of my clan, wow.

And I would like to extend an invitation for Van Lingo to get on AIM and have a discussion with me in front of those who are interested. I'm on most of tonight.

-Boran

EDIT: Discard that last part, I gtg

Jed
07-16-2004, 11:46 PM
Let me, for the record, say that this wouldn't have gone on as long if I had thought people responsible enough to create a clan would be acting like elementary school students. Guess I was wrong.

Any respect I had for any of you has gone down the toilet. And if this stupid bickering doesn't end, it will end bad for both sides.

And for the record, for being one of the mods here, I was never asked to see any PMs.

I hope you get your acts in gear before Battlefront comes out, because I sure as hell wouldn't want to play on any of your servers right now.

yaebginn
07-17-2004, 12:59 AM
Wait a sec. I know we (HD) took it over the line at least a bit, but if someone accuses one of us of being a hacker, shouldnt we at least defend ourselves?

VanLingo
07-17-2004, 03:00 AM
Well, I logged in to AIM. Of course, no one was on to "interrogate" me.
At least I am in compliance.

So here we have Pro Exhibit A: Boran's PMs.
-- The only mod to take notice so far has disputed the fact that Boran is even pursuing mod intervention. Something to hide?

Pro Exhibit B: Boran's photos.
-- Shortly after, everyone sees that the PM photos are easily created. I even did a better job at it.

Con Exhibit A: Lingo's chat log.
-- Yaeb (con) and GlobalStrike (pro) have both confirmed that the quotes are unchanged. The chat log is incomplete, but that is irrelevant until the rest is produced (and it won't be).

boranchistanger
07-17-2004, 09:20 AM
Let me, for the record, say that this wouldn't have gone on as long if I had thought people responsible enough to create a clan would be acting like elementary school students. Guess I was wrong.

Elementary school students? So defending my clan is immature and trying to bring someone to justice is immature?

And for the record, for being one of the mods here, I was never asked to see any PMs.

I sent a PM to storm and I sent one to the admin. Since Storm has not replied I will send it to you instead. I had at least made contact with storm so I sent one to him before you.

So here we have Pro Exhibit A: Boran's PMs.
-- The only mod to take notice so far has disputed the fact that Boran is even pursuing mod intervention. Something to hide?

And like I have said I sent a PM to Storm only along with the admin. Since both have declined I will forward a PM to Jed, asking him to end this "bickering" once and for all.

Pro Exhibit B: Boran's photos.
-- Shortly after, everyone sees that the PM photos are easily created. I even did a better job at it.

Like I said I ask you to find a flaw in the PM's I have posted for you.

And to put those conversations in context

yaebginn (11:26:06 AM): your a good guy, but really hyped about your clan
boranchistanger (11:26:19 AM): How aM i HYPED ABOUT MY CLAN?
yaebginn (11:26:45 AM): your out way too much time and effort into it and all all worried about being the best
boranchistanger (11:27:38 AM): Huh?
boranchistanger (11:27:49 AM): I spend less than an hour on the clan a day
boranchistanger (11:27:57 AM): and play tons of sports
yaebginn (11:27:57 AM): uh-huh
yaebginn (11:28:41 AM): you go around the clan's back and sneak around to try to make yourself the best, no matter who you ahve to step on. You are now officially the Nazis of battlefront
boranchistanger (11:29:04 AM): We are?
yaebginn (11:29:20 AM): not as much we as you

That was the conversation before I lied about my ability to hack into everyone's account. Just to put it all in context, I just didn't randomly say that.

EDIT: The Admin has replied to my PM and is checking it out.

-Boran

Alegis
07-17-2004, 09:59 AM
if this game (swbf) really gets competitive, neither of you will come close to the best 100 clans me guesses.How can you speculate now who will be the best? Do you play games already together? teamwork? individual skill? Well then, stop fighting "I will be the bestzor". How about all of you get battlefield vietnam and train on it :p


Don't use pics from a photo thing boran (i cantload them btw), you can use prtscr, as lingo did, but it was obvious there he typed over it. How you can cheat however without it beeing noticed, is saving the webpage as html, and edit the textstuff, save it, open html, prtscr.

boranchistanger
07-17-2004, 10:33 AM
Originally posted by Alegis Gensan
if this game (swbf) really gets competitive, neither of you will come close to the best 100 clans me guesses.How can you speculate now who will be the best? Do you play games already together? teamwork? individual skill? Well then, stop fighting "I will be the bestzor". How about all of you get battlefield vietnam and train on it :p


Don't use pics from a photo thing boran (i cantload them btw), you can use prtscr, as lingo did, but it was obvious there he typed over it. How you can cheat however without it beeing noticed, is saving the webpage as html, and edit the textstuff, save it, open html, prtscr.

The IEF has already begun training on Battlefield 1942 and is currently undefeated against others.

Like I said though, the admin has replied to my PM and has said he will check it out and, using the IP address on the PM, will we able to confirm that it was Van Lingo himself who sent it. I hope this can end tonight.

-Boran

yaebginn
07-17-2004, 10:38 AM
Van Lingo already admitted sending the pms, you just added a bunch of stuff. Like the hacking thing. and for someone accusing everyone else of lies, you sure do alot urself. Here, now I am done. If you wanna reach my, I'm on AIM at yaebginn.

boranchistanger
07-17-2004, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by yaebginn
Van Lingo already admitted sending the pms, you just added a bunch of stuff. Like the hacking thing. and for someone accusing everyone else of lies, you sure do alot urself. Here, now I am done. If you wanna reach my, I'm on AIM at yaebginn.

Like I said, the admin will let you know about the credability of the PM's. The hacking part is in there, and the admin will confirm this for you. And you say I lie alot yet I have never lied publically and very rarely lie in private conversations, yet, like everyone else, I do lie every once in a while on private conversations.

And Van Lingo, I again extend the invitation for you and I to chat on AIM. I will be online from 6:30pm EST tonight until 10pm EST.

-Boran

Doomie
07-17-2004, 11:29 AM
Alright, looks like you need a judge here, and since the mods never come ehre, i'll do it. I have nothing to do whit both clans, so you know my verdict will be honest.

Alright: There is no proof VanLingo is a hacker. All the proof Boran came up with, Lingo showed that it could be easily faked. Vanlingo also claims he didn't do it. And you say both party's are totally trustworthy. Innocent untill proven otherwise.

But, there is proof Boran could've framed Vanlingo. For example, there are the chat logs that are confirmed as TRUE by by Yaebginn and some other guy. Furthermore, as Boran posted the rest of the chat logs, i believe that only worked against him, since it stated he'd do anything for his clan.

Lingo is proven innocent, Boran is now on trial.


now where's my money Lingo? J/K

Originally posted by BongoBob


Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarted.

:)

VanLingo
07-17-2004, 12:18 PM
Tell Jabba that I've got your money. lol

Here's some more for the jury --

Con Testimony 1:
-- Jaden Malip (pro) testifies that Van Lingo is innocent. No need for an insanity plea here, Lingo.

Con Testimony 2:
-- GlobalStrike (pro) testifies that although the log is incomplete, is is accurate.

Pro Exhibit C:
-- Boran produces another piece of the chat log that DOES NOT disprove the original. Instead, it shows that Yaeb Ginn (con) has more concern for the clan world than Boran.

Has anybody noticed that in Boran's log, he suddenly seems to not care about his clan or anyone else's?
Let's not forget that in Con Exhibit A, Boran spoke of being able to bring down these forums and any clan that he wanted to. I'm just the guy who created a good clan database and was accepted to the SWB.net staff so I could help with clan resources.

yaebginn
07-17-2004, 12:21 PM
Guys, we should srriosuly tone this down a bit or do it over a big AIm chat. Cause I dont want us to get in trouble and make all this meaningless because we all get screwed anyway by the mods. lets tone it down some. ps, lingo sign on AIM

Doomie
07-17-2004, 12:25 PM
Exactly. There is not enough proof to convist VanLingo, however, there is enough proof to put Boran on trial.

Hmmm, this reminds me of KotOR, where you had to solve a weird case too. Maybe there's a third party, maybe some else from [HD] that would like to see his clan rise to the top, maybe someone from [IEF] that thought up this ridiculous plot to make people dilike Lingo, or maybe a computer nerd whose sole purpose in life is harrassing people over internet... Maybe Boran made up an ingenious plan agiants Lingo, maybe Lingo did it, but i need more proof.

EDIT: Boran, have you tried PMing a mod already? cause there is proof that there are no mods on SWbattlefront.net forums. (read: there are a lot of useless threads and spam.)In fact, in order to get someone to do a little moderating 'round ehre, ya gotta PM them.

yaebginn
07-17-2004, 12:32 PM
he alrwady said he pmed storm and then Jed plus the admin to go into his file and check his pm box.

Doomie
07-17-2004, 12:33 PM
Oh, must've missed that part. Mow if they'd just report what they saw it'd greatly speed up things...

yaebginn
07-17-2004, 12:35 PM
IMO, it doesnt matter. cause boran already said he could hack into Lingo's files and whats stopping him from sending a pm. or if he could hack, he could just alter the pms. I dont know exactly how boran works and I dont want to.

Jed
07-17-2004, 01:23 PM
Nobody's hacking PMs on vBulletin. For the record, I doubt the sincerity of this wild goose chase.

This will be resolved very soon.

Doomie
07-17-2004, 01:29 PM
Alright, finally a mod. Now we're gonna see who spoke the truth. Unless this is an even bigger plot, and Boran hacked Lingo's account to send himself PM's and then have a mod say Lingo hacked on his account...

yaebginn
07-17-2004, 01:31 PM
I dunno about all that, but boran said he had Lingo's amind and forum pass. Look at the AIM conversations.

VanLingo
07-17-2004, 01:48 PM
Come to think of it, I wouldn't know if someone did use my account. I don't save my outgoing PMs.

EDIT: I just logged in and my e-mail address was changed. I've gone ahead and changed it back and updated my password.

Doomie
07-17-2004, 01:53 PM
Hmmm... If you're telling the truth, this case is solved... unfortunatly there's no proof.

Jed
07-17-2004, 01:56 PM
Originally posted by Doomgiver
Alright, finally a mod. Now we're gonna see who spoke the truth. Unless this is an even bigger plot, and Boran hacked Lingo's account to send himself PM's and then have a mod say Lingo hacked on his account...

I've been here since page 2 :p

I've logged into boran's account, and I can safely say that none of the PMs mentioned in his first post in this thread were edited or doctored.

Also, IP cross-references show that VanLingo didn't hack into boran's account, and boran didn't hack into VanLingo's account.

So in conclusion? You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.

Heed this notice: I'm going to be around here 24/7 now that I know there's funny business going on.