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Alegis
08-01-2004, 04:25 PM
This is somethign that always has amazed me, the star wars geeks i know of in real-life liked this character, just like me, and on the internet everyone hates it.

what exactly was it that made you hate this character, and most importantly, did you base your opinion on those of others (very common in this case)

NB: same happened with C3PO when star wars was out...

jar jar rulz

El Sitherino
08-01-2004, 04:27 PM
parts of me hate him, parts of me find him just as I found 3-PO in the OT.

coupes.
08-01-2004, 04:34 PM
Meh. I don't mind Jar Jar... I don't hate him, but he's not one one my favorite characters either. However, his part in the prequels is more important than some would want it to be. In TMP, he unites the 2 races on Naboo and in AotC, he is the one who proposes to give the emergency powers to the Chancelor in the senate, a decision that will of course have radical repercussions...

yaebginn
08-01-2004, 05:10 PM
I dont hate him, I just find him annoying. I mean, he talks jibberish, and not the cool kind. I mean, hes a goof.

ET Warrior
08-02-2004, 09:26 PM
His character is important, but I hate his VOICE. that high pitch squeeky voice makes me want to jam a pencil in my ear.

yaebginn
08-02-2004, 11:53 PM
alot of others wanna do that to you, too. lol. his character isnt even that important.

El Sitherino
08-03-2004, 12:46 AM
... yeah it is. He's the reason palpatine gets supreme power. the collected power of the senate. that's pretty important.

Mike Windu
08-03-2004, 12:51 AM
Indeed. He was tricked into thinking he had to help his friends. So he did what Padme was fighting against, and gave the republic an army.

He screwed them over, in layman terms.

Alegis
08-03-2004, 06:16 AM
kinda brought the gungans with the humans on naboo together to win from trade f.
And supreme power was needed, no? The plan of Palpatine was perfect

yaebginn
08-03-2004, 10:09 AM
one thing, jar jar had little to do with helping in Ep1. andif jar jar didnt give him the powers, someone else wouldve.

ET Warrior
08-03-2004, 01:35 PM
Jar Jar had everything to do with helping in episode 1. Without him QuiGon and Obi-Wan never would have found Otoh Gunga, and then the humans and Gungans would never have formed an alliance so the gungans could lure the droid army out of theed :dozey:

It's irrelevant if someone else would have done it, JarJar is the one who did, making him important.

DieStarWarsGeek
08-03-2004, 01:56 PM
I have a theory. If they had made Jar-Jar(and the rest of the gungans) speak in a more normal voice and language, then he would not have been that annoying. That is most everyone's complaint, the stupid jibberish based on a cajun/southeast U.S. dialect. (some people went as far as to say it was racist- gungans with big lips, etc.) They simply sound ignorant, and unbelievable.

Think of if they simply had made them speak differently. You know, better english, but still different somewhat. Yeah Jar-Jar did some stupid things, but so did C3PO. He's just a blatant comic relief character. He would not have been that big a deal if his voice wasn't so STUPID.

yaebginn
08-03-2004, 02:08 PM
actaully no. if they ddint find jar jar. thye woulda made it to theed, but a bit later. they woulda then freed the queen from captivivty. and flown to couscant. stopping on tatooine. the thing woulda happneed on tatooine. then they go to corsuscant. same thing happen there. then they go back to naboo. and form a diff plan. where the speeders do a frontal assualt on the city and the est sneak up to the thrones. OR- they coulda just used humans as a diversion. anakin still blew up the shup ,so it doesnt matter. same outcome. jar jar was just retarded. he did nothing. he is no more imrtant than Lobot.

coupes.
08-03-2004, 02:52 PM
It's funny you bring Lobot in the debate as he might have been a very secondary character but his part was still essential in the whole story... Imagine that Lobot didn't exist, then how could Lando discretely call for help, how coud Leia, Chewie and 3PO escape from the stormtroopers, how could Luke have survived without his friends picking him up before he fell to his doom, how could Leia, Lando and Luke free Han if they're dead, and finally how could Vader kill the Emperor if Luke isn't there to bring him back into the right path ?

This brings us to Jar-Jar... If the jedi hadn't met Jar-Jar, they wouldn't have made it to Theed a little bit later, unless you call a couple of days a little bit later. They were on the other side of the planet, without means of transportation. They had to go through the planet core to use Boss Nass' words to get there in time to free the Queen from the droids... so Jar-Jar is important for showing them the way to Otoh Gunga.

Also, the naboo people didn't have much of an army, they couldn't have entered Theed the way they did if the droid army hadn't been drawn out. Jar-Jar played a key role in bringing the 2 peoples together and ultimately in beating the Trade Federation.

yaebginn
08-03-2004, 03:48 PM
huh? lobot didnt cause all that. u on crack? and the jedi coulda bragged onto a tank, and gotten there the same time as the droids or takena stap.

Mike Windu
08-03-2004, 04:24 PM
How exactly are they going to man a Federation tank... I don't think the other people in the droid army will just let a tank waltz off.

yaebginn
08-03-2004, 05:02 PM
not man it jsut grab on to it, or man it, and just follow th eother tanks.

coupes.
08-03-2004, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by yaebginn
huh? lobot didnt cause all that. u on crack? and the jedi coulda bragged onto a tank, and gotten there the same time as the droids or takena stap.
Then what would have happened if Lobot wasn't there to save Leia and company ? That's what I thought...

And the droids that took the Queen prisonner were not the droids who passed Qui-Gon And Obi-Wan... they were on another part of the planet. There's no way they could have gotten there in time to save her...

yaebginn
08-03-2004, 06:47 PM
one tihng, lobot didnt do that much ,your scenario is invalid. and I alreayd said, they woulda busted her out using the tank/stap they took ove.r

coupes.
08-03-2004, 07:15 PM
I'm not saying he did a lot, I'm saying what he did was very important... not the same thing.

And what tank exactly are you referring to ? I don't remember them taking over any tank, ship, speeder or any other means of transportation...

yaebginn
08-03-2004, 08:15 PM
they woulda if it wasnt for jar jar. and what lobot did wasnt important.

coupes.
08-03-2004, 09:37 PM
You can't know that, besides even if they did capture a droid tank, they still wouldn't have been there on time as the fastest way to get to the other side was through the planet core using a bongo. Not to mention they wouldn't have Jar-Jar to guide them, so they wouldn't know where to go...

As for Lobot, if you're saying what he did wasn't important, then tell me what would have happened if he didn't do what he did...

yaebginn
08-03-2004, 10:16 PM
he didnt do anything ,and the jedi woulda just followed the other droids.

ET Warrior
08-04-2004, 01:11 AM
Originally posted by yaebginn
he didnt do anything ,and the jedi woulda just followed the other droids.

He was the one that lando contacted on his wrist communicator, setting up the ambush to free leia and chewie and 3P0. Without him they never would have escaped the empire.


And your argument is assuming things had happened differently, but they DIDNT, Jar-Jar did what he did, and he helped a LOT, and so his character was IMPORTANT. We can't use the well if THIS would have happened we didn't need him. There are ways we could have written QuiGon Jinn out of the story of Episode 1, was HE unimportant?

yaebginn
08-04-2004, 01:21 AM
jar jar wasnt impotant. if u just take him out, the ultimate ending woulda been the same. and lobot didnt do much at all. again, the ending woulda ultimaely the same, he could've called some else.

ET Warrior
08-04-2004, 01:33 AM
Originally posted by yaebginn
jar jar wasnt impotant. if u just take him out, the ultimate ending woulda been the same. and lobot didnt do much at all. again, the ending woulda ultimaely the same, he could've called some else.

Same with Qui Gon, or Lando, or chewie, or Han, or a lot of other characters that are "important" Everything they did could've just been handled by someone else :dozey:

yaebginn
08-04-2004, 01:38 AM
no, if you just jut them out, the outxome woulda been way differnet.

Alegis
08-04-2004, 05:13 AM
"bush gave the command to attack iraq"

well he could be replaced by a lot of persons, so he isn't really important now is he? You're missing ET's point yaeb.

well the gungans do sound like black ppl, but i liked it. jar-jars might have been what less enthousiastic yeah..and besides i never heard the japanese complain that the trade-f dudes (nute gunray etc) sound like them

ET Warrior
08-04-2004, 10:09 AM
Originally posted by yaebginn
no, if you just jut them out, the outxome woulda been way differnet.

Nah, Obiwan could've accomplished all the same stuff without QuiGon, he just would've had to hijack some droid stuff. And Ladno was useless, they could've just not gone to cloud city, and Han and chewie weren't important, luke and obiwan could've gotten transportation to Alderaan from someone else.

yaebginn
08-04-2004, 11:03 AM
obi-wan couldnt have beaten darth maul all by himself for the whole duel, thus making a different outcome. there was lots of other stuf, too though. and they had to go to cloud city to get repairs. and ultimately, han and chewie chnaged it alot. if u cut them out, then it woulda been way different. Luke wouldas died.

Mike Windu
08-04-2004, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by yaebginn
obi-wan couldnt have beaten darth maul all by himself for the whole duel, thus making a different outcome. there was lots of other stuf, too though. and they had to go to cloud city to get repairs. and ultimately, han and chewie chnaged it alot. if u cut them out, then it woulda been way different. Luke wouldas died.

You're contradicting yourself. You say cutting 1 person out, and everything would be the same. But if you cut someone else out it's different? :indif:

How about we cut the queen out. She isn't that important. Or how about we cut the queen's decoys out. They don't matter. They only distracted Nute so that Padme could trap them. :dozey:

Each character has a good role to play.(not including extras of anything of that sort)

yaebginn
08-04-2004, 01:09 PM
jar jar was simply there for comic relief, nothing more.

Mango Fett
08-04-2004, 01:38 PM
Hes ok, I guess.

ET Warrior
08-04-2004, 02:07 PM
Originally posted by yaebginn
obi-wan couldnt have beaten darth maul all by himself for the whole duel, thus making a different outcome. there was lots of other stuf, too though. and they had to go to cloud city to get repairs. and ultimately, han and chewie chnaged it alot. if u cut them out, then it woulda been way different. Luke wouldas died.

So, Obiwan coudln't have won that fight, but the naboo army could've taken that ENTIRE DROID ARMY without the Gungans luring them out of the city? :rolleyes:

True, they needed cloud city for repairs, they could've had someone else that wasn't Lando there, and Luke could've just used the force and dodged Vaders lasers without Hans interference.


And Luke would have died if Lobot wouldn't have been able to arrange for the escape of Leia and Chewie, he would've fallen from the weather vane and SPLAT.

yaebginn
08-04-2004, 02:19 PM
one they wouldnt have needed to take them, just hold them off in time for anakin to take them down. no, cause lando ultimately affected the outcome, lobot did not. and lukecould not have dodged them, he was too focused on the torp, thats why what Han did was so great.

Mango Fett
08-04-2004, 02:21 PM
Originally posted by yaebginn
obi-wan couldnt have beaten darth maul all by himself for the whole duel, thus making a different outcome.
No he couldn't havve. It was Qui Gon's death that made him get that extra push to defeat Maul.:wan: :mauls: :liam

yaebginn
08-04-2004, 04:44 PM
right, which is what I said. I said he couldnt have.

Mango Fett
08-04-2004, 05:13 PM
sorry miss read your post.:rolleyes:

DieStarWarsGeek
08-04-2004, 11:25 PM
lol at the direction this post went...

yaebginn
08-04-2004, 11:44 PM
LOl, good observation, looking back at the first post, u are correct, it went way different.

Mango Fett
08-06-2004, 10:58 AM
This is really messed.:rolleyes: