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RpTheHotrod
08-15-2004, 05:47 AM
Keep your AvP posts in here, please. Also, make sure to use spoiler tags.


Overall, I think the movie was pretty good. The movie takes place after Predator 2 and before Alien (1).

It doesn't really have much to do with the earlier movies, but then again, they mentioned that it would be a standalone movie that has it's foundation from the old movies.

I liked it though, and the ending leaves plenty of room for AvP2 the movie.

The only thing I didn't like about it was the fact that...well...

for the timeline of the movie series...it seemed that "too" much happened. The cool factor in movies is leading up to something. In Aliens and beyond...aliens were new and introduced. In Alien, there was only one...in Aliens, there we a lot, Alien 3, one again..Alien 4, a handful. It was all leading towards something. In Predator series, it was one predator and a few buddies. However, in this middle series...the humans suddenly are introduced to the aliens (when originally they were thought to be introduced in Alien)...and there are suddenly aliens, a queen, facehuggers, predators, and a huge predator ship with probably a thousand predators.....all during a time before anyone ever discovered the derelict ship in Alien. Just seemed....weird. Just imagine watching the series in the timeline order and you'll understand. Pred 1, Pred 2, AvP, Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, Alien:Ressurection. I also liked the "friendship" of the predator and explorer. However, what happened with the explorer at the end? Did she tell/warn anyone? Did she just pretend it never happened? What about returning back to the ship? Wei just died.....which is a major part of the storyline. What will her story be?

Overall..I'd give AvP maybe an 8 or 9 out of 10. Definetly worth a watch.

Sabretooth
08-15-2004, 05:51 AM
Hmm... Seems good. Somebody out to release a Predator-Alien Collector's Edition Bonus DVD Set!

What about the gore, violence and... uh... slime?

RpTheHotrod
08-15-2004, 05:53 AM
Well...the PG-13 rating holds true. I don't think I saw much of ANY human blood (other than chest bursts)...but mostly because the humans weren't much of a factor. It's Aliens vs Predator...not Aliens vs Predator vs explorers. There is plenty of alien/pred blood, though.


Also...one thing I HATED was the pointless suprise cursing. Only two that I remember...but...just...ahh I'm scared run run ahhh im scared and suddenly "You are one ugly motherf*cker." and ahhhh I'm scared1 run run! again.


Just.....pointless.

Sabretooth
08-15-2004, 06:07 AM
Originally posted by RpTheHotrod
Well...the PG-13 rating holds true. I don't think I saw much of ANY human blood (other than chest bursts)...but mostly because the humans weren't much of a factor. It's Aliens vs Predator...not Aliens vs Predator vs explorers. There is plenty of alien/pred blood, though.


No reason to watch now. :indif:

JK

You think it's worth slugging it's way to the top of the box office?

Crow_Nest
08-15-2004, 06:19 AM
If im lucky i will be watching it in the cinema soon, if not i'll wait for the DVD.

Crazy_dog no.3
08-15-2004, 08:01 AM
These guys thought it was OK (http://www.moviesforguys.com/sci-fi/reviews/alienvspredator.shtml)

This guy didn't (http://movie-reviews.colossus.net/movies/a/avp.html)

This review doesn't promise much in terms of gore (http://www.screenit.com/movies/2004/alien_vs_predator.html)

I think it's gonna SUCK. Also we in the UK have to wait till October even if we do want to see it. :rolleyes:

Evil Dark Jedi
08-15-2004, 08:19 AM
Originally posted by RpTheHotrod
Well...the PG-13 rating holds true. I don't think I saw much of ANY human blood (other than chest bursts)



That is kind of cool and digusting in the same way.

EDIT:

I live in Australia so it will probably be coming out in November anyway.GO THE PREDS!!!

manoman81
08-15-2004, 09:46 AM
Saw it last night. One word could describe this movie: cheesey. It was ok. Some parts were kind of cool. Others had huge mountains of cheese in them. Like this one: The very end when the one Pred turns around to walk away. It was like watching a shampoo comercial the way his dreds did the hair flip.

All in all, would I see this movie in the theater again? No. Will I rent it when it first comes to video? No. Will I rent it when it is a $1 rental? Maybe. This movie had great potential but really let me down.

Zappa_0
08-15-2004, 10:38 AM
RP, the AVP ending was pretty much same as they did it in the Predator movies. I also seen it last night. It was awesome! The Queen looked awesome just as in Aliens. The only bad thing I hated about it was not seeing all the blood and gore. Also how fast they killed the characters off. Also I dont think Lexx has anything on Ripley in the ending, which was pretty cool.

KBell
08-15-2004, 03:03 PM
Sadly, the movie is only 90 minutes long, thus making it pointless for me to spend money on a ticket.


Seems like a renter for me.

Zappa_0
08-15-2004, 03:17 PM
Its actually good, plus you get that theater fill to it. You should go see it.

jokemaster
08-15-2004, 10:57 PM
In Screenit.com, at the blood/gore section:

We see the queen alien laying large egg pods that are gooey and leave a trail of goo from her egg sac tube.

Hiroki
08-15-2004, 11:46 PM
Oh no! Googey eggs! We better put little Timmy to bed right away! :eek:

jokemaster
08-15-2004, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by Hiroki
Oh no! Googey eggs! We better put little Timmy to bed right away! :eek:
It also says goo on someone's gun.
"Look, timmy, what a nice gun....AAAAAAAAAAAA! IT HAS SLIME ON IT, SHIELD THE POOR BABY'S EYES."

Zappa_0
08-16-2004, 12:50 AM
LOL

ET Warrior
08-16-2004, 02:50 AM
Saw it tonight, and all I can say is....meh.

It had some really good, cool moments, most of the fights between predators and Aliens were really cool
Though there really wasn't enough of it, I mean, the first two predators died in the first encounter with an Alien, and that was almost all there was to it, one or two more cool fights.

I also was hoping they'd do something more with the alien that had the netting pattern into it's face, they certainly did enough close ups on it to make it seem important, though it really wasn't.

And I HATED everything that happened AFTER the bomb went off and they got out of the hole. My main beef is the fact that no matter how often that lady set down the alien head/shield she always had it with her again, even though she didn't pick it back up, and then she suddenly had the tail/spear in her hands once the queen alien showed up :rolleyes:

Overall, I enjoyed it enough to warrant seeing it, but I get into the movies for free, and I don't know if I would have been pleased if I'd had to pay for it.

gorganfloss
08-16-2004, 03:06 PM
Damn. I was hoping for a full-on gore-fest. All I'll get in that respect if I see it is goo? Pfft.

jokemaster
08-16-2004, 06:37 PM
I just saw it. Would've liked more gore, but I thought the Aliens reference when Weyland hits the table between his fingers with a pen or something like that was a nice in-joke.

toms
08-17-2004, 07:31 AM
won't be out over here until october i think...

but the fact they released it in the US without any press screenings implies that they know they have a turkey on their hands and don't want the bad reviews to ruin their opening weekend (which it hasn't, at least among teenage boys...:D )

Anderson has always been good at set design (Res Evil, Event Horizon) but never been any good at directing, plots or characters.

Still, the reviews are starting to come out and if they keep on the way they are going it is going to rate even worse than catwoman. Shame, cos after hearing that they were going to tone down the cgi (apparently a bit of a lie) i was starting to look forward to it after all...:(

ckcsaber
08-17-2004, 10:21 AM
Yes, I'm afraid I'm going to have to pull out the phrase that Van Helsing made famous. This movie sucked nuts.

Who truly expected a movie to come out of Paul Anderson's cursed hands to be decent? Who? Not me. This movie is not a hit or miss. It's just a s****y miss.

The only reason I saw this movie is because I am a fan of the first Predator and Alien & Aliens, and a semi-fan of the rest of the movies.


This movie makes Alien Resurrection look good people. The actual fight sequences between the 2 "uber monsters" were too few and short, and the movie was just corny. I mean, I'm a fan of "it's so bad it's good" movies. This isn't good in any way. You won't laugh at the stupidity of it. You'll just have a look of disgust on your face.


The "plot" of this movie, if that’s what you want to call it, is beyond me. Basically, there's a pyramid in Antarctica and the Aliens meet up with the Predators, while the human's are stuck in the middle for no apparent reason. So ensues a "not-so-gore-fest", thanks to it's PG-13 rating. All in all, the ending is an insult to all previous films in the series. Nevermind. The whole film is an insult.

If you are a real fan of the series watch it at your won risk, but I warned you!

If you aren't a fan, and just want to watch a crazy bloody gore-fest where the characters spurt out blood and cheesy obscenities (they don't even curse), DON'T SEE THIS FILM.

RpTheHotrod
08-17-2004, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by ckcsaber


The "plot" of this movie, if that’s what you want to call it, is beyond me. Basically, there's a pyramid in Antarctica and the Aliens meet up with the Predators, while the human's are stuck in the middle for no apparent reason. So ensues a "not-so-gore-fest", thanks to it's PG-13 rating. All in all, the ending is an insult to all previous films in the series. Nevermind. The whole film is an insult.

Actually...the humans are there for a reason. No humans = no hosts for face huggers = no prey to hunt. The humans were drawn there by the energy source.

ckcsaber
08-17-2004, 01:16 PM
Originally posted by RpTheHotrod
Actually...the humans are there for a reason. No humans = no hosts for face huggers = no prey to hunt. The humans were drawn there by the energy source.

So the humans are thrown in just so they can feed the aliens! Brilliant! This adds to the plot quite a bit!



Oh yeah. Regarding the face huggers. I believe it's supposed to take them a couple of days for them to grow inside the human. In this movie, it took a couple of hours. I mean, is Anderson trying to destroy the series?

RpTheHotrod
08-17-2004, 02:23 PM
Yeah, I noticed that.

jokemaster
08-17-2004, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by ckcsaber
So the humans are thrown in just so they can feed the aliens! Brilliant! This adds to the plot quite a bit!



Oh yeah. Regarding the face huggers. I believe it's supposed to take them a couple of days for them to grow inside the human. In this movie, it took a couple of hours. I mean, is Anderson trying to destroy the series?
Didn't it take just a few hours in the original Alien as well? Oh, no, forgot, the face hugger was on for about a day, THEN a few hours until the chesburster.

acdcfanbill
08-18-2004, 02:21 PM
that movie was horrible. the action was ok, not up to pred or alien movies. the story charcters were aweful, i really hate you paul ws anderson, you killed resident evil and now AvP.

KBell
08-18-2004, 02:49 PM
Rotten Tomatoes gave it a 13%


Yep, I'm definetly skipping this one.

RpTheHotrod
08-18-2004, 03:54 PM
I'm giving it an 8 cuz it IS worth a watch, just not good enough to hold an aliens/predator title.

Watch these two clips


http://66.90.82.178/~blade/bradpittpred.wmv
http://66.90.82.178/~blade/badboypred.wmv

KBell
08-18-2004, 04:10 PM
I prefer my movies to have some type of story I can cling to........this doesn't have one worth seeing for me.

Zappa_0
08-18-2004, 09:32 PM
You havent even seen it yet KBell. All the media is doing is overkilling it, thats there plan. So go watch it and you decide.

KBell
08-18-2004, 10:00 PM
My brother went to see it.

And seeing as we're twins and like the same exact things, I'm going to skip this movie.

jokemaster
08-18-2004, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by KBell
My brother went to see it.

And seeing as we're twins and like the same exact things, I'm going to skip this movie.
Twins?.......Or CLONES!

I swear I saw a JBell or an LBell here somewehre.

KBell
08-18-2004, 11:53 PM
haha, no you didn't.

He wouldn't be caught dead posting here :p

CapNColostomy
08-19-2004, 12:58 AM
Originally posted by KBell
My brother went to see it.

And seeing as we're twins and like the same exact things, I'm going to skip this movie.

Originally posted by jokemaster
Twins?.......Or CLONES!

I swear I saw a JBell or an LBell here somewehre.


Originally posted by KBell
haha, no you didn't.

He wouldn't be caught dead posting here :p

Anybody but me catch that and laugh? Probably not...

ET Warrior
08-19-2004, 01:02 AM
I noticed that he said his twin likes the exact same things as him and yet apparently does not like posting on star wars forums...

If you were talking about something else...then no....I didn't catch it :)

CapNColostomy
08-19-2004, 01:10 AM
Originally posted by ET Warrior
I noticed that he said his twin likes the exact same things as him and yet apparently does not like posting on star wars forums...

If you were talking about something else...then no....I didn't catch it :)

We have a WINNAH!!!

ET Warrior
08-19-2004, 01:21 AM
Originally posted by CapNColostomy
We have a WINNAH!!!

Wooohooooo!

What do I win? Or is this one of those, 'you should feel proud of your brilliance' victories?

:D

CapNColostomy
08-19-2004, 01:23 AM
hmmm...Since I don't actually have anything of tangible value to offer, let's just call you brilliant or whatever and be done with it. :D

KBell
08-19-2004, 03:30 AM
We may like the same things, but we don't like the same people.

CapNColostomy
08-19-2004, 03:38 AM
Originally posted by KBell
We may like the same things, but we don't like the same people. People ARE things, sucka.

Darth Groovy
08-19-2004, 04:29 AM
Heard it sucks. Big surprise.

-Zack-
08-19-2004, 06:09 AM
It doesn't really have much to do with the earlier movies, but then again, they mentioned that it would be a standalone movie that has it's foundation from the old movies.

I've seen only trailers, but they had Bishop in the movie... I dunno if he has the same name, but that actor was a cyborg in Aliens 2 and 3.

Zappa_0
08-19-2004, 08:51 AM
ET your still a winner to me man.....NOT!

Back to the Twin/Clone theory.....

What if KBell doesnt really have a twin or clone, but he has mulitple personalities!!!:eek: :eek: Could KBell be the Gollum of the Swamp? One personality likes Star Wars and the other one hates it and wants dead. Ah I am making no sense:( Ah I kinda have more to say, but I will stop it there. And just kidding around with you KBell.


AVP ROCKED!!!!!!!:D

jokemaster
08-19-2004, 12:47 PM
Originally posted by Zappa_0
ET your still a winner to me man.....NOT!

Back to the Twin/Clone theory.....

What if KBell doesnt really have a twin or clone, but he has mulitple personalities!!!:eek: :eek: Could KBell be the Gollum of the Swamp? One personality likes Star Wars and the other one hates it and wants dead. Ah I am making no sense:( Ah I kinda have more to say, but I will stop it there. And just kidding around with you KBell.


AVP ROCKED!!!!!!!:D
Hmmm, I like the clone theory a little more, since the two users were on at the same time!

KBell
08-19-2004, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by CapNColostomy
People ARE things, sucka.

Those are called prostitutes.

jokemaster
08-19-2004, 01:37 PM
Originally posted by KBell
Those are called prostitutes. I thought they were called women......
*runs*


J/K


jokemaster industries not responsible for any groups insulted in the above post.....please don't sue us

RpTheHotrod
08-20-2004, 05:35 PM
Here is my FINAL say




It would be a good stand alone movie...but...it totally contradicts the storyline of the Alien and Predator series.

Two biggest examples are...

1. Facehugger to Chestburster took awhile in the series. In fact, originally, the guy from the corporation who was trying to get Ripley and Newt in Aliens pregged by the facehuggers...well...he was going to be found (and it WAS filmed) all cacooned up near the alien queen's chambers, asking Ripley for help. It was thrown out because not enough time passed for him to be awake and begging for help with the chestburster inside. In AvP, it goes from facehugger to chestbursting within 5 minutes.

2. In alien, no one at all knew about the aliens...period. Remember, AvP happens AFTER Predator 2 and BEFORE Alien (1). The first alien discovery was in Alien at a derelict ship on another planet. Also, there were only small predator hunting parties that hunted HUMANS before the AvP timeline. The predators switched from hunting aliens to hunting humans because they were more "worthy" of being prey. In AvP, it's the opposite. There's suddenly a HUGE HUGE ship, with probably HUNDREDS or THOUSANDS of predators, that shoots a HUGE beam of light that no one picks up or detects, that go hunt aliens instead of humans...like they previously did. Also...out of all the mystery of aliens, the whole time there's an alien queen on earth?

AvP alone is fine.....but it's not worthy of being part of the series...at all.



Is the film worth watching? I'll give it an 8
Is the film worthy of being part of the series? I'll give it a 2

acdcfanbill
08-20-2004, 07:54 PM
i disagree, its not worth an 8 standalone, maybe a 5, maybe. its so full of holes, its re-gosh-darn-diculous.

RpTheHotrod
08-20-2004, 09:08 PM
I'm talking about watching a movie. It IS interesting....like as if you've never even heard about aliens or predators...it's a movie worth watchin'

Zappa_0
08-20-2004, 10:21 PM
Well the whole time thing is pretty good. There is no real time set. Its just telling a story and they had to keep the story moving. You wouldnt like it to set and watch a person with a facehugger on his face laying down for 45 mins.

jokemaster
08-20-2004, 10:24 PM
Originally posted by Zappa_0
Well the whole time thing is pretty good. There is no real time set. Its just telling a story and they had to keep the story moving. You wouldnt like it to set and watch a person with a facehugger on his face laying down for 45 mins.
No, there's time jumps because of that. I mean there's movies where there's 24 years between scenes, but that doesn't mean that the movie's 24 years and 2 hours long.

RpTheHotrod
08-20-2004, 11:18 PM
Yes but this story obviously has it happen within 5 minutes. They did not stay in the same room standing in the same area for over a day.

ET Warrior
08-21-2004, 12:08 AM
Originally posted by RpTheHotrod
I'm talking about watching a movie. It IS interesting....like as if you've never even heard about aliens or predators...it's a movie worth watchin'

I dont know about that....I think it would be worse if you didn't know anything about aliens or predators...because then you'd just be like....this sucks...I'm leaving...

But that's just me.

RpTheHotrod
08-21-2004, 02:36 AM
Aight. You go enjoy "Pretty In Pink" Then :p I'll stick with AvP

ET Warrior
08-21-2004, 02:46 AM
Hey now :p No need to get all feisty, I'll go watch Collateral :xp:

Zappa_0
08-21-2004, 07:02 AM
LOL

toms
08-21-2004, 12:55 PM
Lets see.... *thinks of childhood memories*

Star wars : ruined by crummy prequels.
Robocop : Ruined by dumbed down sequels
Aliens: Ruined Ruined by dumbed down sequels
Predator: Ruined by dumbed down sequels
Die Hard: Ruined by dumbed down sequels (vengance)
Starship troopers : crummy sequal no-one saw
Matrix: Ruined by crummy down sequels (ok, not a kid, but whatever..)
Terminator : still alive, but only just

Thank god they never got their hands on the a-team.... (oh wait, is there a movie coming up? :eek: )

jokemaster
08-21-2004, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by toms
Lets see.... *thinks of childhood memories*

Star wars : ruined by crummy prequels.
Robocop : Ruined by dumbed down sequels
Aliens: Ruined Ruined by dumbed down sequels
Predator: Ruined by dumbed down sequels
Die Hard: Ruined by dumbed down sequels (vengance)
Starship troopers : crummy sequal no-one saw
Matrix: Ruined by crummy down sequels (ok, not a kid, but whatever..)
Terminator : still alive, but only just

Thank god they never got their hands on the a-team.... (oh wait, is there a movie coming up? :eek: ) Yeah, but MR. T will be played by the cabbie from Collateral.


Anyway, there could've been a logical explenation, they could've searched, don't find them, go back up, talk, actually expand the plot, then go back down again the next day....

Zappa_0
08-21-2004, 02:55 PM
Complain, complain, complain!! Get over it ppl, its not gonna change nothing! The movies made and done. We might get a special DVD with added features. But stop all your complaining!

Troopr-Undr-Fir
08-22-2004, 03:42 PM
I liked it. Too short for what they were trying to accomplish, but it was a joy to whatch.

Liked the AVP action.

Specially the end queen sequence, when the predator does some acrobatics :D, awsome.

Story had me intrested.

Liked how it had something to do with human civilization

And also how at the end The predator and Lex team up... gave me goose bumps some what.

And I was also waiting for that last bit at the end to happen... Mmmmmm Praetorian

I thought it was worth a whatch... But should have been longer.

RpTheHotrod
08-22-2004, 09:30 PM
actually it was a Predalien

Zappa_0
08-23-2004, 12:29 AM
Yea RP is right. Just a quick question what exactly is a Praetorian from AVP2, how did it evolve. Its probally says how but I probally missed it somehow.

Hiroki
08-23-2004, 02:03 AM
A Praetorian is a juvenile queen. Simple as that. That is why they are so rare.

Zappa_0
08-23-2004, 07:52 AM
Ah thats what I thought, but wasnt for sure though, thanks!

acdcfanbill
08-23-2004, 11:50 PM
Praetorian
A royal guard to the queen. Praetorians are larger than standard adults, but still only about 1/2 the size of the queen herself. Praetorians are not in the alien movies and many fans do not consider them canon

Troopr-Undr-Fir
08-24-2004, 12:04 AM
Originally posted by RpTheHotrod
actually it was a Predalien


Hmmm, always thought it was praetorian...

Oh well, still cool.

Hiroki
08-25-2004, 11:03 PM
Well, it depends on which canon you mean. Movie canon and Comic canon are almost separate. The AvP comics are just now starting to make movies of there own. ;) And the several hour gestation for the chest burster was Comic Canon accurate, so the movie did nothing wrong.

Hiroki
08-27-2004, 12:55 AM
I just went to see that movie, and I loved it. I don't see why you guys disliked it so much. The fights in it where awesome, and that is what really counts. I believe you went into that theater hoping for a deep plot, when you really should have went in for a slug fest.

The violence was fine, I didn't go there to see hummies get cut up, I went to see the Yautja and Xeno's cut each other up. And I got plenty of that. The end fight was amazingly grand. That was one fricken huge queen...

It must have been twice the size of the one in aliens at LEAST.

A good mentality for first time viewers of AvP to go in with, is to think of this movie as Predator 3, with aliens, rather then alien 5, with predators. If you know what I mean. ;)