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Kurgan
08-28-2004, 06:43 PM
te27ch, and others:

Reminds me of the stupid rules at my sister's high school.

One teacher "confiscated" her cell phone for 3 days (it was on the weekend) because it rang during class (she forgot to turn off the ringer). Supposedly the rule also included if somebody heard the ring in the hall or even coming from your locker (they could open the locker and confiscate the phone).

Talk about stupid, is the phone the school's property? No. Who paid for the phone and the service? Her parents, that's who! Mom & Dad didn't want to make a stink about it so I let it go, but talk about dumb.

High Schools also get their newspapers censored ("prior restraint") and they can search your lockers anytime for any reason. These are all legal precedents.

Another rule they had was about underage drinking/drug use. Obviously you weren't allowed to do that stuff on school grounds or at school functions, fine, sounds reasonable for underage kids. The people who could smoke (18 years old) would be driving out of the parking lot with a cig in their mouth, but nobody put a stop to that.

But if the administration found out you were at a "party" (totally off school grounds, not school activity) where drugs and/or alcohol were being used, regardless of if you yourself were doing any, YOU could also be punished. Guilt by association! That's totally stupid. So the moral of the story is, don't go to parties, just in case somebody there MIGHT be doing something that the school disapproves of. Does that mean if my parents have a party and my dad has a beer that I get in trouble if anybody finds out? Sheesh.

Yeah, as far as freedom is concerned, HS sucks, it's like being in another country almost...

*The Time Traveler looks at his watch, well, my work here is done friends, see you tomorrow with your statements that I responded to. Until then folks!

Zips away in his time machine*

SkinWalker
08-28-2004, 11:15 PM
The exercise of such rights, however, must be conducted in a manner that does not disrupt the educational process. [...] The use of profanity or obscene language in school, upon school grounds, on school buses, or during activites sponsored by the school shall not be tolerated.

I live in a city where we all se habla Espanol. I think it would be clear to all that it was a violation of school rules as you posted above. "Use of profanity" can inlcude printed profanity.

I have a low tolerance for obsence or insulting T-shirts and bumperstickers that refer to people as "dumbass" or say "call 1800-eat-sh**" and stuff like that. Perhaps its because I have a small child now... maybe I'm just too old for that crap...

Anyway, your friend's civil liberties are intact... Freedom of speech doesn't include being free to insult, even though the point of the T-shirt was to be funny. But the Spanish word "pendjo" is quite offensive, more so than "dumbass," so it carries a slightly different meaning when using it as a direct insult.

Acrylic
08-29-2004, 08:11 AM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
It was the bush shirt that says "not MY president." with a picture of Bush next to it. They told me I was not allowed to wear a shirt like that and if I was to wear it again I'd be suspended again.

Datheus, noone cares about a stoner like me's rights.

No. Of course they do. This is why society is crumbling like this. All the conservative radical principals get all pissed when people wear stuff like that. Its horrible. Thing is, its not profane, doesn't have swearing, nothing.

It shows your beliwfs, and if I'm not mistaken, it's alright to show your beliefs in school.

SeleneRayne
08-29-2004, 05:53 PM
My old school sucks balls due to there dress code.

You were not allowed to wear concert t-shirts, why i have no ****ing clue, but it's bull****. My friend got sent home for wearing a KoRn t-shirt. How stupid. And it had nothing offensive on it, it just said KoRn spelled out in bones.

My other friend got sent home for wearing a Godsmack t-shirt, and they gave him the option to change shirts, or go home. He chose to go home. CLEVER BOY.

And you couldn't wear colored shoelaces, SHOELACES!!!
I had red ones in my sophmore year, that came with my shoes. I was told to take them out and not wear them. I wasn't about to buy shoelaces that I didn't need bacause my school is retarted, funny thing was my mom felt the same way.

te27ch
08-29-2004, 06:18 PM
Hi folks.

My story starts with my friend, I'll call him D. He's frickin awesome l33t, originally from Mexico, and can speak spanish very well. Occasionaly, he goes back to Mexico, maybe for a month in the summer, and even returns with gifts for people.

He bought himself a T-shirt there, too.
Here is D's english translation of the original spanish T-shirt:

FRONT: In case of fire, read back.
BACK: I said in case of fire, dumbass.

That's it.

On the first day of school, he wore that shirt. No one really noticed, if they did, they didn't care. Well, one spanish teacher did, though. He/She contacted the office, and D received a small note telling him to come down to the office, about his shirt. I know, because I was in the same class with him when he received it.

After about 20 minutes, he returned with a different shirt on. D explained that he was told to change it, and that he couldnt go home to change because his parents were gone. Luckily, he had a spare shirt in his PE locker.

This above violation neither he nor I protest. The school rules say you can't have a shirt with swearing on it, and that is that.

Here is the problem:

That night, there was a football game. As with most small towns, a football game is an important event, with a good percentage of the population attending. I was playing in the band, and I was really not sure if D was going to come or not.

At half-time, I went and milled about with my friends. I was shocked when I could see D, wearing his imfamous T-shirt, apparently arguing with a non-uniformed police officer, who actually was the same resource officer at our school that might've ordered him to change shirts.

Here is the only bits that I could get from the argument:

Cop: Something something something.
D: OH yeah? Do you see me leaving? I think I'm leaving! What do you think you see?
Cop: Yeah
D: Alright, fine! I'm leaving! *turns and leaves*

That just set me off. Not enough to talk with the police officer, of course. Later, I went with my friends to talk with some of the more "open-minded" teachers at our school, who were at the game. They remarked about how repressive society was getting, etc.

Now, I want to fight for D. Not so he can wear the shirt at school, but MOST CERTAINLY so he can wear it at a football game.
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Here are supporting facts:

D paid to get in, $3 I think, and if not, that was covered by the activity fee, which he also paid for.

Here are some relevant bits from our Student Handbooks:

FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION - Students are protected in the exercise of their First Amendment Rights at AFHS. The exercise of such rights, however, must be conducted in a manner that does not disrupt the educational process. American Falls High School will not tolerate any remarks, graffiti, clothing, or action that degrades any nationality or culture.

This only talks about the school itself, not the football field, which is a mile away, nor ANY school-sponsored activites. Just the school. Personally, I think the only "culture" his shirt would offend are dumbasses, or pendejos or whatever.

DRESS CODE GUIDELINES: ...Clothing or jewelry displaying words or pictures that represent alcohol, tobacco, drugs, gangs, weapons, vulgarity or a topic that would be inflammatory or offensive is not permitted.

Once again, this says nothing about school-sponsored activites at all, It doesn't even specify anything as to what locations this "dress code" is applicable to.

PROFANE LANGUAGE: The use of profanity or obscene language in school, upon school grounds, on school buses, or during activites sponsored by the school shall not be tolerated. Students who abuse this regulation will be disciplined by the administration.

Ahh! Finally! Something about activities! Too bad though, Big Brother, because this is profane LANGUAGE. D was not cussing his head off. Not one bit. Also, note the bit about the "administration". The student handbook says this:

RESOURCES Mr. F___ H____......Resource Officer

NOWHERE in our handbooks does it even LIST the "administration". If ANYONE were to punish him, that person would be on the non-existant "ADMINISTRATION" list, not the pitiful "RESOURCES" list.

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That's all I have for now, but I really want to fight for his rights. I would like any help, support, or ANYTHING that would help.

IG-64
08-29-2004, 06:40 PM
Sure it sucks but why doesn't he just wear diffrent shirt around school? I don't see what the big deal is about just changing shirts over arguing for amendment rights and all that crap.

ZBomber
08-29-2004, 06:45 PM
Was this football game a school event? If it was public, I guess it would be fine, but if it was your school, and the teachers told him not to wear it, he was pushing his luck.

Breton
08-29-2004, 06:55 PM
So there are actually rules against what you are allowed to wear? Land of the free, indeed. :rolleyes:

Police state!

But I guess most "civilized" countries have such oppressive rules that no one notices.

El Sitherino
08-29-2004, 06:59 PM
that's nothing. I wore an anti-bush shirt, I was suspended for 3 days, and was escorted out of school by 3 police officers.

*dittos breton's post*

IG-64
08-29-2004, 07:22 PM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
that's nothing. I wore an anti-bush shirt, I was suspended for 3 days, and was escorted out of school by 3 police officers.

*dittos breton's post*

Thats dumb, even tho i'm pro-Bush, thats still dumb.


Well, it depends on what was on the shirt but I doubt it had anything too offensive on it.


InsaneSith's post was brought to you by the letter 3.

RpTheHotrod
08-29-2004, 07:24 PM
You gotta remember though....land of the free...yes, but it isn't 100% free :p


Try walking around your highschools with a pro-nazi shirt on and see how long you survive.

Darth Groovy
08-29-2004, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
that's nothing. I wore an anti-bush shirt, I was suspended for 3 days, and was escorted out of school by 3 police officers.

*dittos breton's post*

Now see, that THERE is total bull****. It is things like these that make me mighty glad I am not in HS anymore. I suppose if I wrote a paper on why I think GW is the worst president our country ever had, I would get the same treatment?! :rolleyes:

I can't tell you how BAD I wanted to where my Jane's Addiction "Ritual De Lo Habitual" T-shirt, with the original album cover painting, in all of it's uncensored glory... to HS my last day.

Fear of not graduating was the thing that prevented me from doing what I did. I DID however where a pair of my favorite black canvas converse Chuck Taylor sneakers on my last day. A mild protest....but a protest all the same.


te27ch, tell your buddy to take it with a grain of salt and forget about it. The one relief that can keep you going, is knowing that HS is not forever. ;)

Datheus
08-29-2004, 07:57 PM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
that's nothing. I wore an anti-bush shirt, I was suspended for 3 days, and was escorted out of school by 3 police officers.

*dittos breton's post*

Why didn't you call the press? The ACLU? There have been court cases over this EXACT thing. You could have totally trashed them. They have no right to do that. Not to mention, these things don't go on your record as "3 day suspension for anti-Bush shirt", they go on your record as "3 day suspension for insubordination"..

Kain
08-29-2004, 08:03 PM
I got in trouble for wearing an Invader Zim shirt that said 'Prepare your bladder for imminent release!'. That was some bull****. I actually got suspended for wearing it again. Then I wore it again and the school dropped it.

Pie™
08-29-2004, 08:21 PM
*image yoinked*

I'm getting this shirt :D

Neverhoodian
08-29-2004, 08:22 PM
PROFANE LANGUAGE: The use of profanity or obscene language in school, upon school grounds, on school buses, or during activites sponsored by the school shall not be tolerated. Students who abuse this regulation will be disciplined by the administration.

Now I'm not an expert at interpreting guidelines and the lot, but I think the school can reasonably argue their reasoning. The wording of this clause is so broad that it can easily be applied to this situation.

Most schools consider the word "dumbass" as profanity. The word "use" could be viewed in a broader term than just saying the word (such as wearing shirts that display the word). Your friend was wearing the shirt at school; consequently, the school could say that he was "using" (a.k.a. "wearing") profanity "upon school grounds."

So technically, the school does have the authority to do that "from a certain point of view."

That's not saying that the school is in the right, of course. I think they really need to get their priorities straight. Heck, I heard far worse language every single day at my high school. The school should really go for bigger fish, like students who deal drugs or smuggle alcohol.

El Sitherino
08-29-2004, 08:25 PM
It was the bush shirt that says "not MY president." with a picture of Bush next to it. They told me I was not allowed to wear a shirt like that and if I was to wear it again I'd be suspended again.

Datheus, noone cares about a stoner like me's rights.

Darth Groovy
08-29-2004, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by SeleneRayne
My old school sucks balls due to there dress code.

You were not allowed to wear concert t-shirts, why i have no ****ing clue, but it's bull****. My friend got sent home for wearing a KoRn t-shirt. How stupid. And it had nothing offensive on it, it just said KoRn spelled out in bones.

My other friend got sent home for wearing a Godsmack t-shirt, and they gave him the option to change shirts, or go home. He chose to go home. CLEVER BOY.

And you couldn't wear colored shoelaces, SHOELACES!!!
I had red ones in my sophmore year, that came with my shoes. I was told to take them out and not wear them. I wasn't about to buy shoelaces that I didn't need bacause my school is retarted, funny thing was my mom felt the same way.

Jeezum Crow! :eek:

You sure this is not a reform school?

:eek:

Kain
08-30-2004, 01:47 AM
Originally posted by Darth Groovy
Jeezum Crow! :eek:

You sure this is not a reform school?

:eek:

It was a public school. They eventually got rid of that particular rule...after about 600 petitions and a few hundred suspensions for repeated dress code violations (myself included). KoRn rocks!

LightNinja
08-30-2004, 08:27 AM
Originally posted by SkinWalker
[/size]I live in a city where we all se habla Espanol
But the Spanish word "pendjo" is quite offensive, more so than "dumbass," so it carries a slightly different meaning when using it as a direct insult.
hablamos Español :p, and pendejo is not a spanish word, is a mexican word , but well, im America you learn to talk mexican not spanish :p.
Also i had a damn uniform all my life since last year, and it sucked really much :(

Alegis
08-30-2004, 08:36 AM
They got stupid rules here as well, but compared to you guys i guess it's ok and i shouldn't complain :p Never heard of a uniform school here in Belgium

Hiroki
08-30-2004, 08:52 AM
Oh no!! John Titors predictions are coming true! Hide your little ones! Nuclear fallout is upon us!!

Seriously...why on earth would he continue to wear that shirt to school? Must you wear a shirt with some sort of 'statement'? I wear shirts to be comfortable, not to make a point. Let your mouth do the talking. ;)

Darth Groovy
08-30-2004, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by Kain
It was a public school. They eventually got rid of that particular rule...after about 600 petitions and a few hundred suspensions for repeated dress code violations (myself included). KoRn rocks!

Seriously thought, I would have been totally screwed. At that point in my life, about 75% of my wardrobe was comprised of concert t-shirts. Jeez.

Kain
08-30-2004, 11:47 AM
OMFG, that reminds me. We had to take some stupid tests my sophomore year that 1: We weren't allowd to see our OWN scores and 2: They didn't give any credit academically. We were just the cities guinee pigs. Well, me and my friend got done early, but instead of talking and being disruptive, we decided to pass a piece of paper between us, IN THE OPEN, to show we weren't making any secret plans. Well, the assistant warden, I mean pricipal, of who-gives-a-****(we have like 20 of em) decides to stick her old ass bitchy nose in our business and take our ****ing talking paper. I immediatly get my 'WTF are you doing?' face on and proceed to make a scene. They sent me back to class. Well, about 30 minutes later, I get called down to Mr. I'm-A-Fatass Dean, who's eating an entire pizza to himself, 3 slices at a time, to talk about some of the things in this note. Apparently, they thought I was going to do something BAD at the up and coming District Meeting of Dip****s to Discuss the Retarted Dress Code, because it was apparently implied in the note. I quote for you now, exerpts from that note: (we'll call my friend A)


Kain: These tests are so retarted.
A: Yea they are. Are you going to that meeting later tonight?
Kain: I should go. That ****in ******* Spitulski(thats our Principal) is the biggest facist since Hitler.
A: He even looks like Hitler:D
Kain: I gave him a Zeig Heil earlier. He didn't look impressed.
A: Oh my god Kain, you're gonna get in so much trouble:p
Kain: Darn. Did you see me and ****(I'm not using real names) Gush Stepping past him earlier?
A: Haha! Thats messed up.
Kain: Yea, I like stirring up trouble and ****.

:dozey: Look at all them conspiracies...

Breton
08-30-2004, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by SkinWalker
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I have a low tolerance for obsence or insulting T-shirts and bumperstickers that refer to people as "dumbass" or say "call 1800-eat-sh**" and stuff like that. Perhaps its because I have a small child now... maybe I'm just too old for that crap...


Thing is, what you find funny and what you find silly shouldn't matter on what people should be allowed to wear. One can't have a society where people ban everything they don't like. Such as, I don't like goth style, but I wouldn't dream of wanting to ban it. The freedom of wearing whatever you want should belong to any civilized society.

Anyway, your friend's civil liberties are intact... Freedom of speech doesn't include being free to insult,

Disagreed. The freedom of speech is the freedom to say whatever you like. It shouldn't matter if someone feels it's insulting.

And besides, there is no actual border between opinion/comment and insult. I am certain someone would be insulted when I say "I dislike republican politics", but I don't see how that should limit my right to say it. What's insulting and what's not depends solely on the reciever.

manoman81
08-30-2004, 02:07 PM
I'm not sure if someone posted this but I need to say this. Yes, it is true, there are dress codes in every school district. They are there for a reason. Actually 2 reasons. One was already stated that clothing cannot have profanity anywhere on the article. Though I think the "In case of fire shirt" is funny, the word "dumbass" is considered profain and offensive. Sorry, have to change the shirt.

As for the band shirts, I don't understand that either. I have no answers for that one.

The Bush shirt needed to be changed. Sorry, but I know the reason as to why. We are looking at a big split in our country that, as far as I know, we have not seen in a long time. I'm only 23 and I've never known the country to be so against itself it's scary. (The older people here might know of a worse time.) That shirt could have started a fight at your school.

Don't believe me? OK, let put it this way: Let's say that I start a thread titled either "Bush is a lying mother freaker and should die" or "Kerry is a pansy man that couldn't do this country any good if he tried". Now, let me ask you how fast the mods would be all over me, I would be banned, and my thread closed? Well, why would the thread be closed if that is only my opinion? Because of the flamewar that would ensue. The same would happen at your school (that is if your school is/was really huge into politics and being PC like mine was)
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Has your first ammendment right been violated? No. Your schools have the dress code in print, usually in a student handbook. Therefore, rules have been set forward and you should know about them. The school admins do have the right and ability to send you home to change or suspend you. Do these rules suck? Yeah, I agree with you all there. But, all I can really say is deal with it.

yaebginn
08-30-2004, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by InsaneSith

noone cares about a stoner like me's rights.

geez. You already are breaking the law by smoking weed, now ur complaing about rights? Trying being a lawful citizen and see how far you go then. The truth is, there's alwats going to be smeone in your way about freedom. It all depends on what your direct authority deems appropriate. You cant threaten the president. Even though there's free speech. You can call him a chimp, or whatever, though. You just gotta learn that life isnt exactly fair, and you cant whine and complain about every little time you didnt get to be a smart mouth.

SeleneRayne
08-30-2004, 03:15 PM
Seriously, whenever we'd seen the principal, we'd do the Hitler Salute and say, "Sieg Hail." He never knew what the **** it ment. It was hilarious. :D

ET Warrior
08-30-2004, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by yaebginn
You cant threaten the President.
Saying that he isn't your president is hardly THREATENING him, now is it :dozey:


geez. You already are breaking the law by smoking weed,

Oh NOES! Teh law has been brokezored :eek:

KBell
08-30-2004, 04:28 PM
I have songs on my computer from CDs I don't own.

COME GET ME COPPERS!!!!!!!!

:rolleyes:

El Sitherino
08-30-2004, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by yaebginn
You cant threaten the president. Even though there's free speech. You can call him a chimp, or whatever, though. You just gotta learn that life isnt exactly fair, and you cant whine and complain about every little time you didnt get to be a smart mouth. :dozey: thanks for the lecture mister I carry a 15 inch hunting knife everywhere I go.

For the record, I wasn't complaining. I know life isn't fair. I wasn't threatening the president. And also, can you for once try to not be a prick?

KBell
08-30-2004, 04:33 PM
And if you're not careful, the Grammar Police can nab you.............

swphreak
08-30-2004, 05:08 PM
Hmmm...

In my school's student handbook, which we were supposed to "read" and sign a contract saying we "read" it, it is against the rules to have a cell phone on school grounds unless it is in your locker or car. Also included is the "no profane shirts, ect."

I don't feel sorry for any idiot that had a cellphone and got it taken away in my classes. It's not a right to have one, it's a privilege. Here's a story from my 4th period english class:
A student's cell phone went off during class. The teacher wanted the cell phone, but the student denied it was his or that he even had one. The teacher called security (about 15 minutes wasted by now), security comes up and searches him, and for the heck of it, they search the rest of the class (half the people got their cells taken). They didn't find it in his stuff (they can't like... touch him since that's illegal), but they called in one of the police officers to do a full body search (about 50 minutes wasted by now). The cop finds it and he gets written up and loses his cell phone til his parents pick it up. By the time this crap is done with, the class is basically over.

See? There's a reason for these rules. They're not created because The Man is against you or someone hates your guts. Cell Phones are disruptive, and there is potential security risked involved with student possession of them.

If people would just leave their cells in their cars or lockers, this wouldn't be a big issue. So basically, whoever started this thread is bitching about rules and the loss of their cell phone.

yaebginn
08-30-2004, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by ET Warrior
Saying that he isn't your president is hardly THREATENING him, now is it



I didnt say he did, I used threatening the president as an example, I never said, or implied that InsaneSith threatened Bush. For starters, its not a 15 inch hunting knife. Its a 8 inch hunting knife, relatively small for a hunting knife. (not the blade only, the whole knife is only 8 inches) I'm getting the 15 inch one in a week or so. And I dont/wont carry it everywhere. It's not allowed in public places (wal mart, mall, etc) only on regular walks. :p and how exactly am I being a prick? for telling you that life isnt fair and that you cant complain about not getting enough rights, when you are breaking the law? cry me a river. :rolleyes: stop whining, junkie, everything will be all better when Kerry gets elected, dont worry little buddy.

El Sitherino
08-30-2004, 06:06 PM
you're being a prick because you're coming in here spouting crap. I'm not complaining, I was just telling this te27ch guy that what happend to his friend was nothing, and stated what happend to me. Also, It doesn't matter if I smoke pot, I'm still inclined to the same rights as everyone. I'm tired of your assualtive posts, if you can't be a polite, contributing forum member, I suggest you leave.

yaebginn
08-30-2004, 06:13 PM
for starters, you have the same rights, but if you are breaking the governments law, the government that grants you those rights, then stop complaing about how a pot smoker is so discriminsted against and cant get a break and no one loves me :( and I belive you are the one who started name calling.



And also, can you for once try to not be a prick?


you're being a prick because you're coming in here spouting crap

and these are your exact words about your rights.




It was the bush shirt that says "not MY president." with a picture of Bush next to it. They told me I was not allowed to wear a shirt like that and if I was to wear it again I'd be suspended again.

the cops probably escorted you out, (your first post in this thread) for pot, not for some t shirt.

Now I'm leaving this thread. I stated my point, and now ya'll can get back on topic. catch me on AIM if you have anything else to say, lets not clutter this thread anymore. my aim name is yaebginn

El Sitherino
08-30-2004, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by yaebginn


the cops probably escorted you out, (your first post in this thread) for pot, not for some t shirt.
no, it was because of my shirt. I don't take pot to school, I'm not stupid. :dozey: and I never said you called me names. You came in here to start crap, thus you are a prick.

Mike Windu
08-30-2004, 06:31 PM
We couldn't use colored hair gel.

We couldn't wear different colored shoelaces.

Shirts tucked in.

No long necklaces.

;_;


I feel for your friend, but it's not that big a deal. Football was school sponsored(more than likely) so, they could force him out.

School still blows :)

RoxStar
08-30-2004, 06:40 PM
Shirts tucked in? What if it was a small shirt?

Mike Windu
08-30-2004, 07:42 PM
Well, nobody wore short shirts at that middle school.

I come from ze South :)

ZBomber
08-30-2004, 07:46 PM
yae = I wonder reccomend staying out of the Swamp, since you always seem to start a debate about God knows what.

legameboy
08-30-2004, 08:00 PM
Bah. Rules are rules, they'll always be there. I've grown to comply with them and I've been to such strict schools that I just don't even care anymore. Just about every rule has a good purpose in mind, but sadly, they also crack down on the people who are innocent and didn't spark the new rule in the first place. Damn all the immature people today. It's a sad thing called "one person suffers, everyone suffers." Think of the jacked up car insurance for teenagers because dumbasses just thought they could go ninety on small, narrow, residential street.

Oh, and Insane Sith, ET, and yaebginn, no offense, but please, please stop arguing and bitching at each other, it's really getting annoying. Yaebginn may get on your last nerve, IS and ET, but you all are probobly tugging his to, so let's just kiss and make up and keep it shut up and private. ;)

Darth Groovy
08-30-2004, 09:20 PM
One more argument, flame, snap.....whatever, and this thread is history. I will NOT pay anyone the compliment of dumping this in Skinwalker's lap in the Senate this time.

News flash....not every thread has to become a debate, and all I see going on here is bickering. It ends now.

SkinWalker
08-30-2004, 11:54 PM
Originally posted by Breton
Disagreed. The freedom of speech is the freedom to say whatever you like. It shouldn't matter if someone feels it's insulting.


Hmmm. I see your point. I've always said that, "there are those for whom it is one's duty to offend."

So are their limits to what is acceptable insults? Would it be acceptable for instance to have an explicit written description of a sexual act on a t-shirt? I think the majority of the populace would think not, so that creates the question, "where is the line drawn between a mild but acceptable profane insult and a hardcore and explicit one?"

I don't know the answer to that one... but I'm sure that schools could best dictate the standards for the students if parents were more involved and more integrated within the school process. The schools I visit through my job have limited visitor parking, so the message is clear the first time you visit your child's school: you're in the way, so make your visit brief."

Kain
08-31-2004, 12:20 AM
I feel freedom of speech is just that: Freedom. I don't find what anybody says offensive, degrading, or durogatory. They are, after all, just words. I agree there should be limits (ie: no FIRE in theaters, no 'I wanna kill the prez' ect), but if someone's shirt said 'Democratic supporters are all petty ball lickers who think its cool to bash others', I'd get a chuckle. Of course, I'd come back wearing the shirt that said 'Republicans are morally bankrupt money harboring butthole surfers who get their jollies on bombing countries on fake intellegence, both on paper and in their leader's minds'.

Thats my 2 cents anyways. Feel free to pick them apart as you see fit: I'd be hypocritical if I said otherwise:)

Oh yea, I just remembered: I don't think its fair that some people can get away with saying things that others cannot (ie: African Americans can say 'nigga' when they talk about their 'homies', but if a white guy says it, he gets shot. Or how teachers in school can cuss until the chickens come home to roast, but if a student mutters damn, even saying it as dam, they get suspended). If we're really to have 'Freedom of Speech', it can't be 'Freedom of Speech - but only if you're an adult and if you're not around reverese-racist zealots and only if its politically correct(you MUST support the President[or applicable leader] or you're WRONG) and as long as it doesn't offend anybody'.

Darth Groovy
08-31-2004, 12:53 AM
Originally posted by Kain
I feel freedom of speech is just that: Freedom. I don't find what anybody says offensive, degrading, or durogatory. They are, after all, just words. I agree there should be limits (ie: no FIRE in theaters, no 'I wanna kill the prez' ect), but if someone's shirt said 'Democratic supporters are all petty ball lickers who think its cool to bash others', I'd get a chuckle. Of course, I'd come back wearing the shirt that said 'Republicans are morally bankrupt money harboring butthole surfers who get their jollies on bombing countries on fake intellegence, both on paper and in their leader's minds'.

Thats my 2 cents anyways. Feel free to pick them apart as you see fit: I'd be hypocritical if I said otherwise:)

Oh yea, I just remembered: I don't think its fair that some people can get away with saying things that others cannot (ie: African Americans can say 'nigga' when they talk about their 'homies', but if a white guy says it, he gets shot. Or how teachers in school can cuss until the chickens come home to roast, but if a student mutters damn, even saying it as dam, they get suspended). If we're really to have 'Freedom of Speech', it can't be 'Freedom of Speech - but only if you're an adult and if you're not around reverese-racist zealots and only if its politically correct(you MUST support the President[or applicable leader] or you're WRONG) and as long as it doesn't offend anybody'.

This is not uncommon. It is nice to know that since I graduated in 1992, that not much has changed. High School's like to put a limit on your rights, and they KNOW that your rights as a citizen of whatever country you live in, is subject to a limitation based on your age, therefore they enforce it relentlessly.

The thing you have to remember, and I cannot STRESS this enough, is that High School is only one small episode in your expanded life. Once you graduate, and enter the real world, the **** that bothered you so much in High School, becomes that which it is...pure ****. Eventually you can look back at High School and laugh, because the **** that High School preps you to beleive that is so damn important, becomes pure nonsense. Knowing what I know now, I would not have taken High School quite so seriously.

Seriously though, long before the Columbine incident, I had very vivid dreams of killing my classmates and teachers with a Vicker's Machine gun in vivid detail, but that was Junior High. I did not act on it, and since Junior High was so terrible for me, High School became a breeze.

The problem that parents and socialites never see, is that even the teachers who are exposed to clicks and popularity phases surrounding the High School, become as big a part of all of it, as the students themselves.

What SHOULD keep you going Kain, is "what will happen AFTER High School. This is where you really reap the benefits. You watch "Jocks" become trash collectors, you watch "snotty girls" become "single mothers" and you see how the real world makes High School look like the mound of pure **** that it really is.

Trust me on this one, I graduated in '92, and saw first hand what became of all my classmates. Once you graduate, the clicks are gone....meaningless, and real life sets in. I saw the Prom Queen who went to Anapolis (High Profile Naval Academy) and wash out, only to wind up working at Champ's Sporting Goods at the local Mall. :p

My only advice to all those in this thread that are still in High School, is to join in some clubs that interest you, and make the most of it, because eventually, you will miss the "simplicity" of life in High School! This is once chance you have at life to make freinds that you will have forever! The more friends and support you have, the better off you are!

Summary: it's all a big joke, laugh it all off in private, play the game, and you will be FINE! ;)

Icemaniax
08-31-2004, 03:04 AM
Originally posted by SeleneRayne

And you couldn't wear colored shoelaces, SHOELACES!!!
I had red ones in my sophmore year, that came with my shoes. I was told to take them out and not wear them. I wasn't about to buy shoelaces that I didn't need bacause my school is retarted, funny thing was my mom felt the same way.

lol I had the same rule at my last HS. but, me being a smart A** went and bought some neon green laces ( yuck, but my goal was to piss them off) I also got black laces & white laces. walking down the hall, one of the teachers stops me. Says to go to the principles office. So I did, when I got there he said to remove the laces and hand them to him. So I did. he then asked if i had spare laces. which I replied, yes I do, in my backpack.

So I got out the black ones and started to lace them, he told me to stop, and took them from me as well. Black laces are not allowed. (wtf?!) I just looked at him, and said ok, I have some white ones too, but since WHITE IS A COLOR, am I not allowed to use them either? he laughed. so, I bent down to lace them, and look under his desk. and GUESS who has Black shoelaces?
So being my stupid self. I stood up and with a very serious look and tone said, "I'm sorry sir, but I am going to have to ask you to remove your shoelaces, as they are black in color, which is against school rules."

Guess who got detention. well, it wasn't him.

yah school sucks, glad I graduated.

Doomie
08-31-2004, 03:31 AM
:eek: Are a lot of schools that way in the US? glad i live over here...

Alegis
08-31-2004, 03:59 AM
Originally posted by SeleneRayne
Seriously, whenever we'd seen the principal, we'd do the Hitler Salute and say, "Sieg Hail." He never knew what the **** it ment. It was hilarious. :D
first time i hear of someone who doesn't know that...it's sieg heil btw "sieg as in siegfried und roy, and heil as in 'hi-l" [/spelling nazi]

toms
08-31-2004, 06:19 AM
In most countries schoolkids have to wear uniforms... :D

Of course, when i was at school i thought this was horribly unfair, but now that i see how schools in the US work i've started to think that uniforms aren't such a bad idea. Not only do they save you lots of arguements, they also help to reduce the cliqueiness of schools (i'm amazed by how cliquy US schools are, i thought it was just a joke for films like the breakfast club), stops you having to have the coolest, most expensive clothes and basically puts everyone on an even footing.

Of course, everyone tries to be as individual as they can within the rules they are given... (wearing ties very short or long, thin or fat, etc...) but at least you have everyone starting out on a on even footing.

Our headmaster banned us from wearing Doc Martins (even got in the national papers because of it, which you could tell he was really chuffed with)... so we all coloured in the yellow stitching with black markers and then they couldn't tell that they were DMs at all. :D

Of course, if they are going to not have uniforms, then they should allow kids the same rights as anyone else under whatever dress code they have and wearing band or political t-shirts that aren't rude should be allowed.

Did you hear about that boy who's school was sponsored by Coca-cola? On the school photo day he wore a pepsi shirt and got suspended. :eek:

If you read the start of Stupid White Men, Michael Moore describes how he was fed up of stupid censorship in his school looked up the rules on local school disctrict official elections, found out that about 5 people bothered voting.. so he stood himself, got his mates to vote and then WON and sacked his principle.... so, if you feel really stronglt i suggest a trip to the library and a lesson that youth isn't always apathetic... :D

Samuel Dravis
08-31-2004, 06:23 AM
Originally posted by Darth Groovy

The thing you have to remember, and I cannot STRESS this enough, is that High School is only one small episode in your expanded life. Once you graduate, and enter the real world, the **** that bothered you so much in High School, becomes that which it is...pure ****. Eventually you can look back at High School and laugh, because the **** that High School preps you to beleive that is so damn important, becomes pure nonsense. Knowing what I know now, I would not have taken High School quite so seriously.

Seriously though, long before the Columbine incident, I had very vivid dreams of killing my classmates and teachers with a Vicker's Machine gun in vivid detail, but that was Junior High. I did not act on it, and since Junior High was so terrible for me, High School became a breeze.

The problem that parents and socialites never see, is that even the teachers who are exposed to clicks and popularity phases surrounding the High School, become as big a part of all of it, as the students themselves.

What SHOULD keep you going Kain, is "what will happen AFTER High School. This is where you really reap the benefits. You watch "Jocks" become trash collectors, you watch "snotty girls" become "single mothers" and you see how the real world makes High School look like the mound of pure **** that it really is.

Trust me on this one, I graduated in '92, and saw first hand what became of all my classmates. Once you graduate, the clicks are gone....meaningless, and real life sets in. I saw the Prom Queen who went to Anapolis (High Profile Naval Academy) and wash out, only to wind up working at Champ's Sporting Goods at the local Mall. :p

My only advice to all those in this thread that are still in High School, is to join in some clubs that interest you, and make the most of it, because eventually, you will miss the "simplicity" of life in High School! This is once chance you have at life to make freinds that you will have forever! The more friends and support you have, the better off you are!

Summary: it's all a big joke, laugh it all off in private, play the game, and you will be FINE! ;) Whatever Groovy! My school pretty much lets me do whatever I want within reason if I finish my school for the day. Since I can do that in >3 hours, it's very nice indeed... :cool:

CapNColostomy
08-31-2004, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by Darth Groovy
What SHOULD keep you going Kain, is "what will happen AFTER High School. This is where you really reap the benefits. You watch "Jocks" become trash collectors, you watch "snotty girls" become "single mothers" and you see how the real world makes High School look like the mound of pure **** that it really is.

HAHA! Yeah what he said. I can't think of very many things I find funnier than checking the DOC website or local gossip rag (newspaper) and seeing that one of the spoiled, football/rasslin'-all star *******s, who drove his brand new car/truck to school, got all the "hot chicks", and generally thought he was King **** 10-15 years ago, has gotten himself landed in the pokey for 10-15 years from now for running a meth lab or some other crap. I bet Bubba on D-Block is really impressed with the letterman jacket, and all the signatures in your yearbook, asshat.

ckcsaber
08-31-2004, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by CapNColostomy
HAHA! Yeah what he said. I can't think of very many things I find funnier than checking the DOC website or local gossip rag (newspaper) and seeing that one of the spoiled, football/rasslin'-all star *******s, who drove his brand new car/truck to school, got all the "hot chicks", and generally thought he was King **** 10-15 years ago, has gotten himself landed in the pokey for 10-15 years from now for running a meth lab or some other crap. I bet Bubba on D-Block is really impressed with the letterman jacket, and all the signatures in your yearbook, asshat.

XD

Holy **** that's funny. Your title suits you well Cap'.

Kain
08-31-2004, 06:07 PM
@Grooves and Capn:
My thing isn't so much that I held high school in contempt, I just didn't like it how instead of treating us as STUDENTS, they treated us like INMATES.

I already laughed at the popular people: I knew way before they'll ever know that they're going to be the ones most likely to be found face down in a ditch, and I also know that the WORST students where going to be found face down and a ditch, so I gots me a chuckle any time I seen some guy with all the ladies. I couldn't help but think 'Man, he's gonna be dead in 20 years from STD's'. The jocks: 'Man, when they find out that college ain't no joke, steroids are gonna be there, and so is a 6'3" box of oak'. The gangstas: 'Shootout gone bad, 1 cop injured, all criminals apprehended or killed'.

They may be popular when they can impress or intimidate peers, but when reality hits they're the first to fall.

Its awesome to have wisdom...more importantly its awesome to have common sense; something lacking in most of the youth of America to day.

KBell
08-31-2004, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by Kain
@Grooves and Capn:
I already laughed at the popular people: I knew way before they'll ever know that they're going to be the ones most likely to be found face down in a ditch, and I also know that the WORST students where going to be found face down and a ditch, so I gots me a chuckle any time I seen some guy with all the ladies. I couldn't help but think 'Man, he's gonna be dead in 20 years from STD's'. The jocks: 'Man, when they find out that college ain't no joke, steroids are gonna be there, and so is a 6'3" box of oak'. The gangstas: 'Shootout gone bad, 1 cop injured, all criminals apprehended or killed'.


I often find myself laughing at the goths because I know they're going to commit suicide by the age of 30 :o {End sarcasm}

Tyrion
08-31-2004, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by KBell
I often find myself laughing at the goths because I know they're going to commit suicide by the age of 30 :o {End sarcasm}

Kbell, that time we pissed off Kain was alright, but this time you've gone too far. You're really going to have your head kicked in.

Seriously, he'll find where you live and kick your head in.:p

Kain
08-31-2004, 09:33 PM
Originally posted by KBell
I often find myself laughing at the goths because I know they're going to commit suicide by the age of 30 :o {End sarcasm}

Really KBell? You think I'm going to commit suicide by 30? Well you know what I THINK?! I think your an over-assuming ******* who speaks from his ass because he has his head so far up his ass all he knows are stereotypes and what the media tells him. So basically: YOU ARE IGNORANT.

I feel the need to make you less ignorant now, so pay attention and read this word for word.

Gothic, as a lifestyle, is not the hating of life and feeling sorry for yourself because the world around is all the same: anyone who does that is nothing but a posuier who needs to get some common sense beaten into their thick skulls. The gothic style takes the things that seem miserable and depressing and finds a sense of beauty in them. In the gothic sense, the night isn't something to fear. Instead, the night casts a seductive spell on those willing to wander and explore. The morbid and the tragic can seem romantic, even sensual, for those brave enough to look into the eyes of the things they fear most. It embraces the decadence of the modern world and cherishes the strength it takes to do so. Squalid surrounds can drive the weaker man insane, but the crumbling ruins of a once-thriving town are somehow comforting in the gothic aesthetic. To look into the eyes of destitute is almost blissful because there is strength there, strength that the ordinary person doesn't have. The gothic ideal finds a fascination with the macabre and has an affinity for all things dark. Darkness means more than a simple lack of sunlight. It is the overriding attitude, especially in the gothic sense. Unlike the rest of society, those embracing the gothic style do not fear the dark side nor do they pretend that it doesn't exist, and they sure as hell don't hide from it. The gothic attitude is an acknowledgement and an acceptance of the darkness. It does not mean acting upon the urges that the dark side of human nature sometimes brings, but it does mean seeking out a better understanding of why the urges are there in the first place.
What may seem like a preoccupation with death is actually a celebration of life. It isn't about suicide or murder, but it is a realization that an appreciation of death gives an appreciation of life. Comfort is found in the icons or images of death. Graveyards and crosses provide a dark ambience to what could otherwise be a boring backdrop.

ZBomber
08-31-2004, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by Kain
Really KBell? You think I'm going to commit suicide by 30? Well you know what I THINK?! I think your an over-assuming ******* who speaks from his ass because he has his head so far up his ass all he knows are stereotypes and what the media tells him. So basically: YOU ARE IGNORANT.

I feel the need to make you less ignorant now, so pay attention and read this word for word.

Gothic, as a lifestyle, is not the hating of life and feeling sorry for yourself because the world around is all the same: anyone who does that is nothing but a posuier who needs to get some common sense beaten into their thick skulls. The gothic style takes the things that seem miserable and depressing and finds a sense of beauty in them. In the gothic sense, the night isn't something to fear. Instead, the night casts a seductive spell on those willing to wander and explore. The morbid and the tragic can seem romantic, even sensual, for those brave enough to look into the eyes of the things they fear most. It embraces the decadence of the modern world and cherishes the strength it takes to do so. Squalid surrounds can drive the weaker man insane, but the crumbling ruins of a once-thriving town are somehow comforting in the gothic aesthetic. To look into the eyes of destitute is almost blissful because there is strength there, strength that the ordinary person doesn't have. The gothic ideal finds a fascination with the macabre and has an affinity for all things dark. Darkness means more than a simple lack of sunlight. It is the overriding attitude, especially in the gothic sense. Unlike the rest of society, those embracing the gothic style do not fear the dark side nor do they pretend that it doesn't exist, and they sure as hell don't hide from it. The gothic attitude is an acknowledgement and an acceptance of the darkness. It does not mean acting upon the urges that the dark side of human nature sometimes brings, but it does mean seeking out a better understanding of why the urges are there in the first place.
What may seem like a preoccupation with death is actually a celebration of life. It isn't about suicide or murder, but it is a realization that an appreciation of death gives an appreciation of life. Comfort is found in the icons or images of death. Graveyards and crosses provide a dark ambience to what could otherwise be a boring backdrop.

*claps*

I agree, KBell, you're allowed to have your own views, but stop being a stereotypic *******. I know you made itclear you were bein sarcastic, but that doesn't make it any better or take away the cruelness of it.

Tyrion
08-31-2004, 09:41 PM
Originally posted by Kain
Really KBell? You think I'm going to commit suicide by 30? Well you know what I THINK?! I think your an over-assuming ******* who speaks from his ass because he has his head so far up his ass all he knows are stereotypes and what the media tells him. So basically: YOU ARE IGNORANT.

I feel the need to make you less ignorant now, so pay attention and read this word for word.

I already laughed at the popular people: I knew way before they'll ever know that they're going to be the ones most likely to be found face down in a ditch, and I also know that the WORST students where going to be found face down and a ditch, so I gots me a chuckle any time I seen some guy with all the ladies. I couldn't help but think 'Man, he's gonna be dead in 20 years from STD's'. The jocks: 'Man, when they find out that college ain't no joke, steroids are gonna be there, and so is a 6'3" box of oak'. The gangstas: 'Shootout gone bad, 1 cop injured, all criminals apprehended or killed'.


Kain, I agree with you in the Goth part, but you do seem a tad bit hypocritical in regards to this. You're calling Kbell ignorant and over-assuming, while you're doing the same to jocks and popular people. Tell me what's different between the two cases.

Kain
08-31-2004, 09:52 PM
Originally posted by Tyrion
Kain, I agree with you in the Goth part, but you do seem a tad bit hypocritical in regards to this. You're calling Kbell ignorant and over-assuming, while you're doing the same to jocks and popular people. Tell me what's different between the two cases.

I actually thought about that after I posted it, but I didn't bother editing to make myself seem less hypocritical, and heres why:

In my town, you know who's bound for what. Its that easy. They do **** thats going to catch up to em some day, no matter who mommy and daddy are. Whore's ran rampant through through my school, while condoms did not, nor did the pill: pregnant bellies as far as the eye can see. Even the rich kids are doing more drugs than I have the patience to list and every party I've heard of that **** happening has been busted up by the police, yet they continued. Rich kids also having ****-fests every weekend and STD's running rampant(think I'm lying? Ask Selene). Our jocks(most of which were also 'gangstas) have been shot for doing petty things like talking crap to the wrong person, and those who haven't are already in the gutter or they married their sweetheart and are now miserable. But never, ever ever ever EVER once have I heard of any 'goth kid' commiting suicide, as the stereotype would dictate. The only 'pity goth kid'(y'know, the stereotypical ones) I've ever seen have been the ones that would be sad, depressed, and suicidal one day and happy-go-****ing-lucky the next.

So I'm not stereotyping and being hypocritical: I'm speaking from life-experience.

Tyrion
08-31-2004, 09:55 PM
Originally posted by Kain

So I'm not stereotyping and being hypocritical: I'm speaking from life-experience.

And so, who says that Kbell isn't speaking from life-experience about Goths?

and STD's running rampant(think I'm lying? Ask Selene)

Wait...why would Selene know? :naughty:

Kain
08-31-2004, 09:58 PM
Originally posted by Tyrion
And so, who says that Kbell isn't speaking from life-experience about Goths?


Good call, he just may be. Of course nobody called him out on it...


Wait...why would Selene know? :naughty:


We know one of the disease bags...

Darth Groovy
08-31-2004, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by CapNColostomy
HAHA! Yeah what he said. I can't think of very many things I find funnier than checking the DOC website or local gossip rag (newspaper) and seeing that one of the spoiled, football/rasslin'-all star *******s, who drove his brand new car/truck to school, got all the "hot chicks", and generally thought he was King **** 10-15 years ago, has gotten himself landed in the pokey for 10-15 years from now for running a meth lab or some other crap. I bet Bubba on D-Block is really impressed with the letterman jacket, and all the signatures in your yearbook, asshat.

ROFLMFAO!!!!

:rofl:

:worship:

Mike Windu
09-01-2004, 06:19 PM
I dunno, my high school seems to be different than everyone else's.

If you're popular, you're also smart. If you do sports, you're smart.

You're basically smart at my school.

I love my school. Only thing I hate about it is it's a bit clicky, and blacks don't hang out with whites much.

<--- the asian guy that's cool with everyone.

I know, I'm stereotypical too. @_@

ET Warrior
09-01-2004, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by Mike Windu
You're basically smart at my school.

Either that or you're just so dumb everyone seems smart compared to you :indif:


I am KEEEEEDING, only keeeding

Mike Windu
09-01-2004, 07:49 PM
Last time I checked, I was 47th in my class, out of 700 something.

Art screwed me over :¬:

Geometry too...

But I'll be lower this year cause I'm acing all my classes... sort of.

Damn anal english teacher :indif:

Lil Killa
09-01-2004, 07:58 PM
Originally posted by Mike Windu
Well, nobody wore short shirts at that middle school.

I come from ze South :)


What middle school was this? We didn't have to have our shirts tucked in at SMS.....




Dress code at my new school sucks... We can't wear shorts! That's about it though... :P


(Mike - Huston Sucks :P)


(J/K)

Anthony
09-01-2004, 08:01 PM
In my cousins school, if you don't tuck your shirt in twice, you get suspended

Andy867
09-03-2004, 10:33 PM
Well, at your cousin's school, I would be more out of class than in class because my shirts are rarely tucked in unless I am at a formal event in which case I will tuck it in until which time it becomes untucked naturally.

Mex
09-04-2004, 01:30 AM
Originally posted by Kain
We know one of the disease bags...

Personally?

*runs*

El Sitherino
09-04-2004, 01:32 AM
ALERT STATUS GREEN! I repeat we have an alert status green. An outbreak has occured, release the quarantine dome!

BongoBob
09-04-2004, 01:55 AM
My moms prom queen was workin the srteet corner if you know what I mean :D

Karmas a bitch :)

ZBomber
09-04-2004, 08:04 AM
Haha. PWNED! The girls in my school hace to have their skirt go to their knees, and they have to have the waistband showing with their shirt tucked in. They look so stupid. :D

Mike Windu
09-04-2004, 09:02 AM
Originally posted by Lil Killa
What middle school was this? We didn't have to have our shirts tucked in at SMS.....




Dress code at my new school sucks... We can't wear shorts! That's about it though... :P


(Mike - Huston Sucks :P)


(J/K)

The shirt tucked in rule didn't happen till AFTER we graduated :)

BTW: Germantown sucks, it's spelled Houston, and your new school sucks :xp:

Lil Killa
09-04-2004, 10:51 AM
Originally posted by Mike Windu
The shirt tucked in rule didn't happen till AFTER we graduated :)

BTW: Germantown sucks, it's spelled Houston, and your new school sucks :xp:



I don't care about G-Town anymore :P, Houston, Huston.... who cares :), WTF! :swear:

SeleneRayne
09-06-2004, 02:45 PM
Seriously, me and Kain's school was the worst school you could attend. Yes disease spread like wildfire, Tyrion :D We'd have so many speakers coming in preaching to us how safe sex is very important, and abstinence is the best way to go. They'd hand out condoms personnaly to everyone.

I've never been happier to leave that horrid place. Like Kain said, they treated us as of animals in a zoo, inmates in a prison. We had no freedom, no rights, nothing. Just stupid rules that make no sense to establish (Iceman, that was awesome what you did! lol )

Alegis, thanx for the true spelling. I don't know German, I wanted to take it but school gave me Spanish with an evil teacher, my friends said German t'was fun and easy.

****ing school. :mad: