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Crazy_dog no.3
09-01-2004, 10:51 AM
Russian school held up by terrorists (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3618606.stm)

Terrorist fvcks.

Well, hopefully the government will not use poison gas as previosly.

Doomie
09-01-2004, 10:56 AM
ugh, when will humanity learn? I think i'm starting to understand Kain's point of view...

TiE23
09-01-2004, 10:58 AM
meh, *******s

TiE

Jed
09-01-2004, 01:44 PM
The hell?

A school? Holding children hostage with submachine guns and bombs?

Those slimebags. Hope they all get shot in the head.

There's ways to get your point across, but involving children crosses the line.

El Sitherino
09-01-2004, 01:58 PM
this is just wrong. :disaprove

Anthony
09-01-2004, 02:09 PM
I just saw this on BBC, ****ing hell....

Curt-Man
09-01-2004, 04:11 PM
seems like everyone is an *******, but meh whatever, but don't usually mass hostage takings invlove all ages, the terrorist don't know whos going to be there.

jebbers
09-01-2004, 04:54 PM
the whole world is going to hell...because of all the skool shootings/bomb threats and bombs/hostages i really am afraid to go to skool cuz there is this kid that everyone picks on and one day hes going to snap and it wont be pretty....

Tyrion
09-01-2004, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by jebbers
the whole world is going to hell...because of all the skool shootings/bomb threats and bombs/hostages i really am afraid to go to skool cuz there is this kid that everyone picks on and one day hes going to snap and it wont be pretty....

I have the same sentiments towards one kid in my school, however I've treated him better than most(which isn't saying alot...) so I don't have that much to worry about...

Onto the scumbags, this makes me feel like humans know no bounds when it comes to forcing others to bow down to thier commands.

Sigh...

ET Warrior
09-01-2004, 09:22 PM
Originally posted by Curt-Man
the terrorist don't know whos going to be there.

Typically when holding a school hostage, you will be holding primarily CHILDREN hostage....as children are usually the ones attending schools.


This sucks :(

Kain
09-01-2004, 10:42 PM
Originally posted by Doomgiver
ugh, when will humanity learn? I think i'm starting to understand Kain's point of view...

SEE!! SEE!! I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO UNDERSTANDS ANYMORE!! HAHAHA!! YOU ALL THOUGHT I WAS MAD!!! AHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

...but yea, that sucks for those kids and what have yous...

Tyrion
09-01-2004, 10:44 PM
Originally posted by Kain
SEE!! SEE!! I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO UNDERSTANDS ANYMORE!! HAHAHA!! YOU ALL THOUGHT I WAS MAD!!! AHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

...but yea, that sucks for those kids and what have yous...

I can feel the love Kain, I can feel your pain for those poor kids...:rolleyes:


:p

Sabretooth
09-02-2004, 01:54 AM
I'm with Kain!


Yeah, and that does ****ing suck.

toms
09-02-2004, 04:28 AM
frankly, both sides in this conflict are about as bad as each other. I don't really have much sympathy for either at this point (although obviously sympathy for the innocent kids who have ended up involved.)

I guess after the russians killed all those hostages in the theatre it the chechens (assuming it is them) had to try and find some hostages the russians wouldn't be willing to gas. sigh.

Unfortunately this looks like a conflict that is going to run and run (northern ireland style) as both sides are being completely irrational and despicable in their actions, and each incident only drives each side to a more hardline position.

Crazy_dog no.3
09-02-2004, 08:38 AM
Originally posted by toms
frankly, both sides in this conflict are about as bad as each other. I don't really have much sympathy for either at this point (although obviously sympathy for the innocent kids who have ended up involved.)

I guess after the russians killed all those hostages in the theatre it the chechens (assuming it is them) had to try and find some hostages the russians wouldn't be willing to gas. sigh.

Unfortunately this looks like a conflict that is going to run and run (northern ireland style) as both sides are being completely irrational and despicable in their actions, and each incident only drives each side to a more hardline position.

True, true (though I'm Russian myself, but I have to admit that we're not so clean).

SeleneRayne
09-03-2004, 04:43 PM
I saw this on the news earlier. This is horrible, the images of those poor, innocent, children being carried out of the school that was in flames. They showed a heart-wrentching picture of a body of a little girl being carried out on a stretcher. :( ****ing bastards...

Jed
09-03-2004, 04:59 PM
More than 200 dead after situation ends. (http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/09/03/russia.school/index.html)

:(

Sam Fisher
09-03-2004, 05:31 PM
That just... pisses me off.

Really bad.

BongoBob
09-03-2004, 09:07 PM
I hope they tortured those bastards before they killed them. I would have. I would like to shot them in there arms, legs, and then pour salt in the wounds. then shoot them in the testicles. Many times. Or step on them and crush them slowly. Then let them bleed out.

If anyone ever ****s with my children, they're gonna get gutted :mad:

ZBomber
09-03-2004, 09:19 PM
Wow, I was thinking there were only a FEW terroists, seems there were about 30 or so. :(

El Sitherino
09-03-2004, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by BongoBob
I hope they tortured those bastards before they killed them. I would have. I would like to shot them in there arms, legs, and then pour salt in the wounds. then shoot them in the testicles. Many times. Or step on them and crush them slowly. Then let them bleed out.

If anyone ever ****s with my children, they're gonna get gutted :mad: and this would only bring more hatred and death, where would it end?

KBell
09-03-2004, 09:58 PM
The Russian police were never very good at handling hostage situations. Their tactic involved shoot first, ask questions later.

Kain
09-03-2004, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by BongoBob
I hope they tortured those bastards before they killed them. I would have. I would like to shot them in there arms, legs, and then pour salt in the wounds. then shoot them in the testicles. Many times. Or step on them and crush them slowly. Then let them bleed out.

If anyone ever ****s with my children, they're gonna get gutted :mad:

You and me both, brotha! Great minds think alike.

@Sith: I'll tell you where the violence ends: When THEY'RE all dead.

El Sitherino
09-03-2004, 10:15 PM
meh. Killing is pointless, it's not much of a punishment. Personally I'd just cut off parts and such. Make them spend the rest of their life regretting they messed with anyone I care about. Killing is an overrated method of revenge. Making someone suffer as you have (or even more so) is a much more exact method of revenge. :) that said. Somewhere it has to stop, be it as Kain said, "when they're all dead" or when someone just says "f**k it, I've had enough of this death."

BongoBob
09-03-2004, 11:00 PM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
Somewhere it has to stop, be it as Kain said, "when they're all dead" or when someone just says "f**k it, I've had enough of this death."

Guess which one I see it as.

I don't see how an imperfect race can do something like the second one as a whole. It's just gonna continue, and all we can do is try to stop it, but it never will.

Just my two cents. And I normally wouldn't kill anyone, but mess with children, and I want to kill your ass.

Enough, don't want a flame war. R.I.P. to any of the children that died, and my condolences to the families.

IG-64
09-03-2004, 11:12 PM
Children, enjoying the best times in their lives in innocence and happyness. Then their lives are ended by some ignorant jackasses...




R.I.P. Children.

SeleneRayne
09-04-2004, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by BongoBob


If anyone ever ****s with my children, they're gonna get gutted :mad:


Ohhhhhhhhhh, the wraith of God would NOT compare to what I'd do to them if they harmed my children.

Breton
09-04-2004, 09:44 AM
Bleh. Thousands upon thousands of children die every day in the third world because of reasons easily prevented - and I don't see anyone crying over them.

But I guess it's just another tragic example of the fact that, the more common a problem is, the more it is accepted as a part of the world. In other words, the larger the problem is, the less priority it has.

Originally posted by BongoBob
I hope they tortured those bastards before they killed them. I would have. I would like to shot them in there arms, legs, and then pour salt in the wounds. then shoot them in the testicles. Many times. Or step on them and crush them slowly. Then let them bleed out.

Please explain to me how that makes you better than the terrorists in the first place. And please don't come with the "they did it first!", because that does not matter.

Crazy_dog no.3
09-04-2004, 11:07 AM
Apparetly the government is covering stuff up and not letting any journalists go near the hospital(s) which contain the victims.

IG-64
09-04-2004, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by Breton
Bleh. Thousands upon thousands of children die every day in the third world because of reasons easily prevented - and I don't see anyone crying over them.

But I guess it's just another tragic example of the fact that, the more common a problem is, the more it is accepted as a part of the world. In other words, the larger the problem is, the less priority it has.



Please explain to me how that makes you better than the terrorists in the first place. And please don't come with the "they did it first!", because that does not matter.

Oh, because we just love to hear about how humanity is ignorant and mislead and that you have the answer to all world problems.


:dozey:






Aka STFU.

Samuel Dravis
09-04-2004, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by IG-64
Aka STFU. What would you do about it? Just choose to ignore reality in favor of whatever you would like to be real?

And, like Breton said, blind retribution is not a good answer to violence. Yes, let the terrorists rot in jail cells for the rest of their lives. Deprive them of their ability to be martyrs, so that more lives will be saved in the future. Merely getting angry now, and not caring about what will happen is shortsighted and, frankly, foolish.

IMO, terrorists have no justification for killing anyone, children or not. They are simply murderers, and should be dealt with according to the law, not given some special political prize by the media for their actions.

IG-64
09-04-2004, 12:16 PM
As much as I hate to say it, I admit as a human being that I will ignore the fact that the world is imperfect and go on with my life. I do feel very sad for the children in the third world countries dying but I don't let it disrupt my life because I dont have to.


And the reason I told Breton to shut the freak up is because he over-examines human concious and acts like he knows how to fix all faults in the world, which is not reality.

And besides, no one wants to hear about how were all ignorant and lazy and mislead, weather or not we are. I mean if anyone does raise your hand.

Samuel Dravis
09-04-2004, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by IG-64
As much as I hate to say it, I admit as a human being that I will ignore the fact that the world is imperfect and go on with my life. I do feel very sad for the children in the third world countries dying but I don't let it disrupt my life because I dont have to. Just so you don't accept it as good or 'normal', and try to do something about it if you can. Honest answer.

Originally posted by IG-64
And the reason I told Breton to shut the freak up is because he over-examines human concious and acts like he knows how to fix all faults in the world, which is not reality. Actually, you could fix all the faults in the world. It's called 'extinction of the human race' or some such. Needless to say, I'm not so hot for that to happen. ;)
Originally posted by IG-64

And besides, no one wants to hear about how were all ignorant and lazy and mislead, weather or not we are. I mean if anyone does raise your hand. Perhaps not, but it is good to hear it on occasion. If we are ignorant of a problem, how can a solution be found?

Heh, sorry if I'm being annoying. I've been reading the NationStates forums for a few weeks... :rolleyes:

Breton
09-04-2004, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by IG-64
Oh, because we just love to hear about how humanity is ignorant and mislead and that you have the answer to all world problems.


I'm not trying to be a besserwisser here, just want to point out the obvious double set of morals when it comes to how the media (and thus the people) priorities relatively small problems.

But back on topic, as this is actually a thread about the happenings in Russia. It's very easy for us to sit here and talk about how evil these terrorists are. But seriously, none of us knows anything of why they would do such an "evil" act. I seriously doubt they enjoy taking little children hostage, but I'd imagine it's (for them) a necissary mean to accomplish their goal of an independent Chechnya.

It's important to try to see such "dreadful" happenings from different points of view. Distancing yourself from it will only lead to conflict where there should be peace.

IG-64
09-04-2004, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by Breton
But back on topic, as this is actually a thread about the happenings in Russia. It's very easy for us to sit here and talk about how evil these terrorists are. But seriously, none of us knows anything of why they would do such an "evil" act. I seriously doubt they enjoy taking little children hostage, but I'd imagine it's (for them) a necissary mean to accomplish their goal of an independent Chechnya.

It's important to try to see such "dreadful" happenings from different points of view. Distancing yourself from it will only lead to conflict where there should be peace.


... They're called "terrorists" :indif:

KBell
09-04-2004, 01:17 PM
IG, you missed the point.Not all terrorists enjoy what they do.

But they still don't deserve any pity whatsoever. (The terrorists I mean)

Kain
09-04-2004, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by IG-64
... They're called "terrorists" :indif:

And do you honostly think they sit around saying 'So, today, as TERRORISTS, we're gonna blah blah blah'? I'm sure they think of themselves as liberators...

...sounds familiar...*Geedubya*

Samuel Dravis
09-04-2004, 02:44 PM
Originally posted by Breton
It's important to try to see such "dreadful" happenings from different points of view. Distancing yourself from it will only lead to conflict where there should be peace. The ends does not justify the means, ever. Especially when the means is murdering innnocents that almost certaintly did not have anything to do with Chechnya at all. The terrorists then take them for use in their political games. I fail to see how they get any point across besides that they are willing to decline into barbarism. The only thing I see from their actions is apparent fact that they are incapable of forming a peaceful resistance - which I might add, has successful precedence. India, anyone?

I have never understood why they think that terrorism will get them anything - as far as I can see, all it does is solidify opposition against them (except for radicals like themselves). If they did not use terror or violent acts to 'further' their cause, I have no doubt they would be much farther along the way to independence then they are now.

obi
09-04-2004, 02:50 PM
The Bible says "Inasmuch as ye have done unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done unto me. (Matthew)"

These criminals hurt children, and that really doesn't flow right with God. These crooks will have much to answer for, it is only a matter of time.

God, bless the families of the departed, Amen.

ET Warrior
09-04-2004, 11:28 PM
Originally posted by Breton
But seriously, none of us knows anything of why they would do such an "evil" act. I seriously doubt they enjoy taking little children hostage, but I'd imagine it's (for them) a necissary mean to accomplish their goal of an independent Chechnya.

I agree that it's important to look at the background of the situation, and try to understand WHY they do it. But that does not and cannot justify their actions. Even if the Russian government had raped and murdered their entire families they were not justified in taking hostage and killing innocent civilians who had nothing to do with the Russian government.

I am always shocked at mans capacity for immhumanity towards his fellow man.

ZBomber
09-05-2004, 05:07 AM
Exactly. If the government did something to their family, you would take it up with THEM, not a school full of innocent children.

IG-64
09-05-2004, 10:05 AM
I think that terrorists dont like killing children thing is crap, they're still evil and selfish people.

Would you kill 200+ kids? Or decline the job? Basically saying 200+ kids or yourself. Its very selfish and evil, even if they dont like killing ppl they should still be punished.

Mike Windu
09-05-2004, 10:33 AM
Indeed.

I would hate to be put in a situation where it was either my life or the lives of 200 other people.

The stupid thing is, the terrorists died anyway...

KBell
09-05-2004, 02:10 PM
Some did manage to escape dressed as civillians.

Sam Fisher
09-05-2004, 02:12 PM
That's cheating...

ZBomber
09-05-2004, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by Sam Fisher
That's cheating...



...lol. Do you think they care? They'll do anything to save themselves.

Hiroki
09-05-2004, 04:08 PM
Geez, I wish Bush would get his ass out of Iraq, and get back to hunting down the REAL Terrorists, just in case he loses, and Kerry starts kissing all of there asses...

El Sitherino
09-05-2004, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by Sam Fisher
That's cheating... not cheating. it's reality.


Kerry kissing who's asses?

BongoBob
09-05-2004, 08:37 PM
Originally posted by Breton
Please explain to me how that makes you better than the terrorists in the first place. And please don't come with the "they did it first!", because that does not matter.

Did I ever say it made me any better? No. I said what I thought was right. I said what I thought would bring justice. And most importantly, I don't give a rats ass if you agree with my oppinion or not. It's MY friggin oppinion. You agree or you don't. That's what makes this world unique. It can also make it a hell-hole. It's just the way things are.

Kain
09-05-2004, 09:56 PM
Its good to hold humanity in contempt...

...makes things like this a bit easier to accept:¬:

Now if you'll excuse me, I just drank 4 pops in less than an hour, and my stomach hurts...

...that ****in guy who created caffine...I'LL KILL HIM!!

obi
09-06-2004, 03:06 AM
Originally posted by InsaneSith



Kerry kissing who's asses?


I would also like to know.

IG-64
09-06-2004, 03:39 AM
How come ppl always defend Kerry but i'm automatically the biggest idiot for defending Bush?

I mean, they're both respectable politicians, correct? >_>

Samuel Dravis
09-06-2004, 09:07 AM
"Respectable" is a relative word when used in the same sentance as "politician". :D :D

El Sitherino
09-06-2004, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by IG-64
I mean, they're both respectable politicians, correct? >_> Kerry, yes. Bush, hell no.

Tyrion
09-06-2004, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
Kerry, yes. Bush, hell no.

Actually, it's more along the lines of Kerry, no. Bush, hell no.

:o

El Sitherino
09-06-2004, 08:38 PM
Originally posted by Tyrion
Actually, it's more along the lines of Kerry, no. Bush, hell no.

:o true, true. But I thought we were going comparatively, my bad.