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PR-0927
09-05-2004, 10:46 AM
Well, my dad and I were finally looking or a good computer online day before yesterday (I went to Niagra Falls yesterday...). He wanted a Server computer, but then he realized that video cards, sound cards, and Windows XP isn't supported on them. So, we looked, and nothing was good, until we went to www.ibuypower.com. That website had one of those, "build your computer" things, it rocked. We ended up with a computer with 80 GB hard drive, AMD 64 Processor, the ATI Radeon X800 (not PCI Express, this was the second most expensive graphics card, number one was the Saphire ATI Radeon X800, around $500, more than the one we chose), and other cool stuff. What do you think? Good computer? And, is the website good? It only came out to be around $1,500-$1,700.

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Sam Fisher
09-05-2004, 10:50 AM
Well, you did happen to get A VERY KICKASS GAMING COMPUTER!

I wish I could upgrade.

But first I'm gonna wait until the price for the X800 goes down, which it will in a month because Nvidia will come out with a new card.

Mex
09-05-2004, 11:06 AM
Go to a computer fair and buy all that stuff instead. That is VERY over priced.

jebbers
09-05-2004, 12:29 PM
there are computer fairs at the Hamburg Fair grounds sometimes....assuming you live close(cuz you went to Niagara Falls where i live) me and my bro go to them to upgrade my bulit comp...but i havent been to one cuz i havent been on my comp much lately...but thats a over priced....

El Sitherino
09-05-2004, 12:52 PM
ditch the 80 gig and get a 120. :p

I have to agree with the overpriced people.

PR-0927
09-05-2004, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by Sam Fisher
Well, you did happen to get A VERY KICKASS GAMING COMPUTER!

I wish I could upgrade.

But first I'm gonna wait until the price for the X800 goes down, which it will in a month because Nvidia will come out with a new card.

Yeah!!


Well, about overpriced...who cares...I mean, my dad said, "the price isn't that bad."

Heh, I hope I get this!! It'll be roxxors!! I could play Halo for PC, and play Star Wars: Battlefront with awesome graphics.

Jebbers, dude, look at my location...Ohio...we just went on a trip...five hours there and five hours back...

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--ZeeMan--
09-05-2004, 01:45 PM
spiffy! :thumbsup:

Anthony
09-05-2004, 02:15 PM
Awesome! If you're like me though, and have more thasn 13 games installed, your My documents folder is 8 GB, and such, get another 80

jebbers
09-05-2004, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by Majin Revan
Jebbers, dude, look at my location...Ohio...we just went on a trip...five hours there and five hours back...


i see said the blind man to the deaf guy....i didnt look there first....did you enjoy your time in Niagara Falls? i know i loathe it here.............

ZBomber
09-05-2004, 05:30 PM
Niagra Falls scares me. :p

Yes, get a bigger harddrive. I've already used over 120GB on my 200 GB hardrive.

Anthony
09-05-2004, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by ZBomber
I've already used over 120GB on my 200 GB hardrive.

Holy friggin hell thats more than me.

ZBomber
09-05-2004, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by Anthony
Holy friggin hell thats more than me.

Aye, I have a lot of stuff on my computer... >_>

RoxStar
09-05-2004, 07:19 PM
I just got your computer online for $1200

;)

Kain
09-05-2004, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by ZBomber
I've already used over 120GB on my 200 GB hardrive.

You GB whore...what could you POSSIBLY spend that much memory on?

ZBomber
09-05-2004, 07:38 PM
Dunno. Both my C and E drives have about 65 GB each. :p

El Sitherino
09-05-2004, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by Kain
You GB whore...what could you POSSIBLY spend that much memory on? *coughs* "special" videos ;)


:D @ Zed.

seriously though, get a bigger HD.

BongoBob
09-05-2004, 08:23 PM
Sounds good to me :thumbsup:

But get a parts list from that site and look for the pieces by themselves at www.pricegrabber.com. I can almost garuntee that you'll find it cheaper.

:)

Sam Fisher
09-05-2004, 08:24 PM
www.pricewatch.com is also a very good place to find cheaper parts :p

KBell
09-05-2004, 08:48 PM
www.newegg.com

Darth Groovy
09-05-2004, 09:25 PM
Ok, I have a question. My computer is over two years old now, and starting to show signs of age.

I would like to get a computer that really excells in the game department, and not get ripped off.

Now let's say I buy all the pieces and somehow manage to put it together? How much am I looking to spend?

Also, don't want a new monitor, I love the one I already got.

NOW how much am I looking to spend for the complete package?

(I want to play games like Doom 3 and stuff)

ZBomber
09-05-2004, 09:29 PM
I got a nice gaming system. Only thing that could be better is that video card. (ATI 9600 Pro).

I spent about 950. Go to computer convention things, you get awesome prices there Groovy. :)

I'll try to get you my specs tommarow if you want.

Tyrion
09-05-2004, 09:30 PM
Originally posted by Darth Groovy
Ok, I have a question. My computer is over two years old now, and starting to show signs of age.

Around 800-1000 dollars, I forgot the exact parts(was trying to do this for my cousin 3 weeks ago), but go to newegg.com and just look around.

You'd want a Athlon 64 w/ motherboard, 512-1024 megs of ram, an x800 or 6800 Gt video card, a sound card of your choosing, things like that.

BongoBob
09-05-2004, 09:33 PM
EDIT: um, for a good solid one, around 800 to 1000 dollars. That's how much the one I want to build is.

ZBomber
09-05-2004, 09:35 PM
Radeon 9600 Pro is good enough to run Doom, and it's like 200 dollars. i'd go for that, unless you got extra money to spare.

Kain
09-05-2004, 09:40 PM
BAH!! Upgrading is for impatient people:D

BongoBob
09-05-2004, 09:42 PM
Originally posted by ZBomber
Radeon 9600 Pro is good enough to run Doom, and it's like 200 dollars. i'd go for that, unless you got extra money to spare.

Yeah, but that video card doesn't kick ass much ass as the X-800 :¬:

:D I never said he needed it, I just said what I thought was cool.

ZBomber
09-05-2004, 09:44 PM
Of course not, but it gets the job done. :D

ATI cards have problems with KOTOR though :-\

Darth Groovy
09-05-2004, 09:52 PM
Originally posted by BongoBob
I'm guessing around 1300-2000 dollars.

Well, lets see...Radeon X800 is 500 alone, AMD Athlon 64FX is about 200+, so that should help out a bit.

WAAAAAAAAY too much there.

I'm with Tyrion for around $800.

I bought my pc last year, I spent $800, but after all the upgrades, I wound up dumping about another $200 into it anyways.

I'd rather spend $800 and get a really spiffy system this time.

I am pretty sure I can salvage alot off of my current PC.

I just installed a new fan this year, i'm keeping it.

BongoBob
09-05-2004, 09:56 PM
Ahhh, goin for the cheap but works well work, instead of the expensive but works well route :p

I should edit that. If I had that much money for the video card I would'nt have aol.

Darth Groovy
09-05-2004, 10:14 PM
Well I know more about the internal side of pcs than I did about 2 years ago.

I just figured I was getting a great deal for an AMD processor, 512 of ram, and a 80GB hard drive.

Turned out my graphics card was an abomination of Biblical proportions, and my sound card was virtually non existant.

You live, and you learn...

Astrotoy7
09-06-2004, 02:51 AM
I'd love to be able to put PCs together for upgrading, but dont have to bother, seeing I have a business lease on my compy, so get an upgraded one each year :D

mtfwbya

ZBomber
09-06-2004, 07:20 AM
Grooves, can you list what you currently have? :) That would help, because then you can only upgrade the things that really need to be. ;)

Darth Groovy
09-06-2004, 10:06 AM
Originally posted by ZBomber
Grooves, can you list what you currently have? :) That would help, because then you can only upgrade the things that really need to be. ;)

Hewlett Packard Pavillion 523 N

AMD Athlon XP 2200+

1.8 GHz

512 of RAM

80 GB Hard Drive

CD/CDR Drive: Mitsumi CR - 48XCTE
DVD Drive: Pioneer DVD 117

Graphics Card: ATI Radeon 9200 Pro

Sound card: (?)

Plan on keeping my monitor and printer, they are still fairly new, and in excellent shape. Also installed a high powered fan recently, keeping that also.

What I want new:

The fastest Athlon processor, a new motherboard

The best graphics card money can buy

The best sound card money can buy.

A much larger hard drive

Probably a new motherboard.

And I want to dump everything into this case:

http://www.frozencpu.com/cgi-bin/frozencpu/cas-239.html

ZBomber
09-06-2004, 10:12 AM
Hmmmm..... Upgrade your video card to a 9600 or a 9800. That should be anywhere between 100-200 dollars. :)

512 Ram, upgrade to a gig to be safe. ;)

1.8 GHz and AMD Athlon XP 2200+, not sure about. I have 2.6 GHz, and I don't know what my motherboard is. :p

But, definetly upgrade your video card to a 9600/9800 and 1 GB of ram. ;)

Mike Windu
09-06-2004, 10:38 AM
My lord...

You rich people and your fancy computers...:D

I spend 1200 on a compaq back in 1999 and look where that got me :D

Mex
09-06-2004, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by ZBomber
Hmmmm..... Upgrade your video card to a 9600 or a 9800. That should be anywhere between 100-200 dollars.

Who would upgrade to those two when you can get a Geforce 6800 GT 256mb card for £220-260! Thats what I'm getting.

ZBomber
09-06-2004, 11:36 AM
Originally posted by Pal™
Who would upgrade to those two when you can get a Geforce 6800 GT 256mb card for £220-260! Thats what I'm getting.

Because thats over 300 dollars in American money.

Mex
09-06-2004, 11:42 AM
Ah well. It's much better. The x800 is very good aswell.

PR-0927
09-06-2004, 12:08 PM
Plus, the ATI Radeon X800 is better, or at least, next generation.

As for the space...I currently have 4.00 GB left on my computer, and I'm not using it. The other hard drive has 3.00 GB. The larger hard drive has 20 GB total, and the smaller one has 9.00 GB total. I don't use much space.

Oh, and also, this computer that we made at www.ibuypower.com, it had 512 MB of RAM as well.

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PR-0927
09-07-2004, 01:47 PM
Well, I need help!! My Dad was asking the difference of the video cards, and why the X800 was better. He also wants to know the significance of all of the numbers on the video cards, like, 6800, 5500, X800. I told him it was the model name, but he doesn't think so.

I hope you guys know the full and total answer to these two questions. You guys are all awesome!!

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Tyrion
09-07-2004, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by Majin Revan
Well, I need help!! My Dad was asking the difference of the video cards, and why the X800 was better. He also wants to know the significance of all of the numbers on the video cards, like, 6800, 5500, X800. I told him it was the model name, but he doesn't think so.

I hope you guys know the full and total answer to these two questions. You guys are all awesome!!

:fett:

X800XTPE- Supreme Publa of Ati Video cards
X800 Pro- The Lieutenant Publa of Ati Video Cards.
X600- Mainstream Ati Video Card
9800- Previous Supreme Publa, but is now retired.

6800 Ultra- Supreme Publa of Nvdia video cards
6800 GT- Lieutenant Publa of Nvidia Video Cards
6800- Mainstream Nvidia Card
5500- Previous Nvidia generation peasant, it's worthy of execution via firing squad.

How's that?

PR-0927
09-07-2004, 02:00 PM
Well, I already knew that... :rolleyes:

What I need is the meaning of all the weird numbers and the statistics of why one card is better than another...

Nice try though...

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Tyrion
09-07-2004, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by Majin Revan
Well, I already knew that... :rolleyes:

What I need is the meaning of all the weird numbers and the statistics of why one card is better than another...

Nice try though...

:fett:

...

That's what I just gave you, silly. :p The heirarchy of the cards of this and last generation.

If you want to actually read up on benchmarks between the cards, I'd suggest you look at Firing Squad (http://www.firingsquad.com/) and Elite Bastards (http://www.elitebastards.com/).

PR-0927
09-10-2004, 01:11 PM
Heh, well, my dad proved me wrong about the ATI Radeon X800 being the best card on the market. He found a research test for the best display quality...and it was the nVidia GeForce 6800!! It was the highest for Doom 3, currently the game with the most advanced graphics, under ultra high, high, and medium.

So, we searched more...and we found a sweet computer thing, I hope he will order it soon!!


These are some notable (spelling?) features:


nVidia GeForce 6800 GT 256 MB
AMD 64 Processor (3200)
160 GB Hard Drive
1024 MB of RAM (1.024 GB of RAM)
56x CD-ROM Drive
16x DVD-RW/CD-RW Drive
Asus Motherboard (Something like that.)
More power...thing.
Two fans.
Pre-formatted Hard Drives, no OS, we have a Windows XP Professional CD from KSU for $5!!


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PR-0927
09-10-2004, 04:21 PM
Well, I guess he already ordered it last night, but without the extra power, a cheaper motherboard, a better CD-RW/DVD-RW burner, and temperature cooling displays, etc.

And, it is silver!!


Here is what it looks like:

http://www.ibuypower.com/ibp/Images/Case/Big/268Silver_2.jpg


It'll be arriving on September 21st, and my Dad'll keep it in his lab, as he has to install Windows XP Professional, Linux, and all of the drivers for the hardware stuff!! Then, it comes home...and the gaming begins!!

Oh, and I have a question. I bought Halo for PC, and it didn't work, as my graphics card is bad. I took it to some of my friend's houses, and the CD was damaged, the game didn't install as it should have. I know it is legal to have a copy of a game if you had the original. I'm gonna download the copy, but, will it still work online?

Thanx!!

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Tyrion
09-10-2004, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by Majin Revan Heh, well, my dad proved me wrong about the ATI Radeon X800 being the best card on the market. He found a research test for the best display quality...and it was the nVidia GeForce 6800!! It was the highest for Doom 3, currently the game with the most advanced graphics, under ultra high, high, and medium.

So, we searched more...and we found a sweet computer thing, I hope he will order it soon!!

The 6800 is better in OpenGl than Ati, thus it's better in Doom 3. But according to some recent benchmarks, the X800 is better in Half-life2(DirectX9)...but both cards are good, and I'm even thinking about the 6800 Gt.

nVidia GeForce 6800 GT 256 MB
AMD 64 Processor (3200)
160 GB Hard Drive
1024 MB of RAM (1.024 GB of RAM)
56x CD-ROM Drive
16x DVD-RW/CD-RW Drive
Asus Motherboard (Something like that.)
More power...thing.
Two fans.
Pre-formatted Hard Drives, no OS, we have a Windows XP Professional CD from KSU for $5!!


:fett:

Looks good.

Anthony
09-10-2004, 07:06 PM
Ppfft... I'm an ATI fan.


*gets shot by angry Nvidia fans*

PR-0927
09-11-2004, 02:15 PM
So, anyone know anything about the Halo for PC question I had?

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