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AIVAS
10-15-2004, 11:37 PM
I've played through every aspect of single player now, and I don't like the multiplayer, so mods are my only option. Could someone make a mod that simply makes jedi a selectable class for all factions, on all maps? I'd really like to see this done for fun in SP, i don't care about the purists, so flaming will get you nowhere. I just want this mod for fun, not to try to delude myself into thinking that I'm in a galaxy far, far away.

EDIT: since it's my request, I might as well say that if you cannot ADD a new class as playable to the selectrion screen, that you must replace one, I'd like snipers to be replaced, as they have about the same kill ratio. ;)

Doc Valentine
10-15-2004, 11:57 PM
Well i know it is possible, Kingguru did it on his hoth mod, made darth vader playable, i made an attempt at making luke available all it did was crash. If anyone can do it, he can.

AIVAS
10-15-2004, 11:58 PM
Yes, now I just need to decide what class I want replaced. I think snipers, with a playable jedi you shoul;d be able to get *ALMOST* as many kills as you do with a sniper, so that sounds right.

Visceral
10-16-2004, 12:05 AM
Well, the thing about Jedi in this game is that they're basically invincible. Ever tried to kill a Jedi NPC before? You basically have two options: If you're on a map like Bespin Platforms, use explosives to send them flying over the edge so they fall to their death, if not, crush them/run them over with a vehicle. So playing as a Jedi is like playing in God Mode in a FPS - it's only fun for about 10 seconds and then the thrill goes away because the game is really pointless when you can't be killed.

AIVAS
10-16-2004, 12:21 AM
Originally posted by AIVAS
Yes, now I just need to decide what class I want replaced. I think snipers, with a playable jedi you shoul;d be able to get *ALMOST* as many kills as you do with a sniper, so that sounds right.
Maybe for some people, but if I get bored with the game, what's wrong with just screwing around with it for fun? it's just a request for a mod, those who want it can download it if some kind soul makes it, and those who don't, won't. Simple as that.

Doc Valentine
10-16-2004, 12:22 AM
Originally posted by Visceral
Well, the thing about Jedi in this game is that they're basically invincible. Ever tried to kill a Jedi NPC before? You basically have two options: If you're on a map like Bespin Platforms, use explosives to send them flying over the edge so they fall to their death, if not, crush them/run them over with a vehicle. So playing as a Jedi is like playing in God Mode in a FPS - it's only fun for about 10 seconds and then the thrill goes away because the game is really pointless when you can't be killed.
True, but to those who like to cheat and that kind of stuff, or for just a while want to be the cool guy, it will satisfy. I could make an attempt at it. I think.

sb_gat
10-16-2004, 12:31 AM
There already is a mod that makes jedi selectable on their respective maps (Luke-Vader and Dooku-Windu) from a German SWBF modder Grandmaster.
You can look it up here:
http://swbf.4players.de:1049/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=12

AIVAS
10-16-2004, 12:35 AM
Originally posted by sb_gat
There already is a mod that makes jedi selectable on their respective maps (Luke-Vader and Dooku-Windu) from a German SWBF modder Grandmaster.
You can look it up here:
http://swbf.4players.de:1049/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=12
Wow, is this on all leels? Do you know what classes it replaces?

sb_gat
10-16-2004, 12:44 AM
It replaces the pilot for the clones and the droideka for the droids, I think. I did not play Empire vs. Rebels yet, so I don't know how Luke and Vader replace the classes.

TK-8252
10-16-2004, 10:25 AM
The Jedi class is not fun at all, trust me.

- You cannot capture Command Posts. This means the bots have to do all the work, and you know the player has to do a lot of capturing when playing with bots.
- You move about as slow as the Heavy Weapons class.
- When your team gets down to a certain mark on the Reinforcement Meter, Jedi die repeatedly as they spawn, rapidly reducing your reinforcements.
- You have to chase an enemy for a long time to get them in lightsaber range.
- Come on, you are almost invincible (with the exception of being run over by vehicles and falling into death pits). What fun is that?

Kurgan
10-16-2004, 01:20 PM
Well, this isn't a discussion about how to balance Jedi is it?

The thread poster made it abundantly clear he just wants new stuff for the game. Fun or not, it's something different. (Not trying to start another debate and I realize your strong feelings on the 'jedi' subject)


I agree that the Jedi shouldn't be invincible (killing bots unopposed gets old after awhile) if you control them (or even if you don't), but so far nobody has figured a way to change that yet. But you can give lightsabers to other classes, so there's probably a solution out there, that's all I'll say.

AIVAS
10-16-2004, 02:21 PM
I think I'll make a thread requesting a balanced jedi class later on, but want to give the modding community more time to get expirience with editing files. Now though, I just want to play around with jedi, having a portion of both teams enemy units unkillable killing mahcines makes for a game that's actually close. on any AI setting.

TK-8252
10-16-2004, 02:54 PM
The Jedi are by no means "killing machines." You'll be suprised at how difficult it is to catch up with an enemy to slice them.

subs0nic
10-16-2004, 03:11 PM
How's this for balanced jedi? Can't be hit by any weapons, including rockets, but moves very slow so can't get away from grenades, and dies very easily from explosions:

Mind your knees... (http://img97.exs.cx/img97/2223/JediJawa1.jpg)

Jedi skillz (http://img46.exs.cx/img46/9065/JawaJedi2.jpg)

AIVAS
10-16-2004, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by subs0nic
How's this for balanced jedi? Can't be hit by any weapons, including rockets, but moves very slow so can't get away from grenades, and dies very easily from explosions:

Mind your knees... (http://img97.exs.cx/img97/2223/JediJawa1.jpg)

Jedi skillz (http://img46.exs.cx/img46/9065/JawaJedi2.jpg)
In response to TK, you'd be suprised how many people just run towards you or stand still, trying to shoot you in SP.

Subsonic, what I was thinking was make them immune to blaster fire, but any vehicle weapon or explosives can damage them. As is, with just a lightsaber, that's actually fairly balanced. As for the speed, I don't think speed should be lowered, as they're not carrying anything but a lightsaber anyway. rockets, tanks, mines, or a well timed grenade can be more than neccisary. If that's stiill too powerful, then you can make them unnable to block several blaster shots at once. More than one, but not blocking everything a group of soldiers fires at them. posibly regeneration similar to galactic conquest too.

That's why i wanted to give the modding community more time to mess around with files, and work on finding balance before I asked for a truey balanced mod. For now i just want to have fun.

subs0nic
10-16-2004, 03:31 PM
Fun? The Jawa-Jedi is definitely fun. :D

thejeditraitor
10-16-2004, 08:48 PM
for those who have played as jedi...
don't they only have like 2 moves?

TK-8252
10-16-2004, 08:49 PM
Originally posted by thejeditraitor
for those who have played as jedi...
don't they only have like 2 moves?

One.

AIVAS
10-16-2004, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by TK-8252
One.

that's right. a single slash move. ^-^

Kurgan
10-17-2004, 09:43 PM
Actually if you could just take away the infinite health of the Jedi, that would be okay.

They get "knocked down" from ship level weaponry, explosions (including grenades or rockets at the feet), and they die instantly from being "crushed" by vehicles.

If they simple took damage (or died) from an explosion, they'd be more like normal guys, who were just immune to normal blasters or rockets that hit them (except splash damage, which knocks them down).

The "force heal" is just an animation and should be taken out (I suggested making it a "power" you could use that drains a "mana" bar). But first things first... taking away the Jedi's immortality... taking them down is a trick, but once you know how it would be easy. But at least if they have finite health the regular trooper could do it, rather than as it is where only certain vehicles can kill them.

Btw... MUST PLAY JAWA JEDI! (download link?)

thejeditraitor
10-18-2004, 05:59 PM
someone needs to animate new moves ha ha!

lord_xander
10-18-2004, 07:04 PM
i loved that pic of the jawa, its so funny and true, mind ur knees LOL and yes release the jawa mod, please lol