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Boba Rhett
11-02-2004, 11:15 PM
If you were or still are a homeschooler, say so here. It seems like there's a pretty high number of us around these parts. I was homeschooled 9th-12th myself.




Aaaaaaaaaaannnd go.

DarthBuzzard
11-02-2004, 11:19 PM
Father was, 9th to 12th due to school being to easy...I was homeschooled at the end of 2nd grade since I was very sick, and I hated it. Public schools > private education.

Redwing
11-02-2004, 11:22 PM
XD. You noticed?

Homeschooled 2nd-half 8th, 9th. (No first grade, I was precocious.) Went to high school, repeated 9th to be with kids my age. (Not a problem having skipped first grade.) High school 9th-12th. 2nd year college now.

Note: Past the very first grades (can't remember exactly, maybe 4th-5th?) I taught myself using ordered cirriculum. My dad was a fairly messed up person, quite unintelligent and my mom worked. Another reason I repeated 9th was that my dad wouldn't give me enough time to do any schoolwork that year, was doing super-complex-OCD-ritual-enhanced-chores full time.

High school made me 'stupider', but it gave me my friends, who are the greatest people ever. :)

Boba Rhett
11-02-2004, 11:28 PM
Well I don't know where you went to school but mine was just terrible. :( It was a sports school. We were all sharing thirty year old text books while the school built a new gym and bought equipment for our football team.

Even really early on. I was forced to try and learn to write right handed in my first year there despite my protest that I was a lefty. Not until 8 months in when my teacher brought my terrible writing up to my parents did she finally realise I wasn't just dumb. She totally screwed me up for life and it doesn't feel natural to write with either of my hands to this day. You should see my handwriting, it looks like I stroke out anytime I touch a pencil. :(

And we didn't even really have an English class ever either! :o

Astrotoy7
11-02-2004, 11:30 PM
Originally posted by Redwing
....High school made me 'stupider', but it gave me my friends, who are the greatest people ever. :)

therein lies the dilemma.... Its the social interaction part that homeschooled kids miss out on that terrifies me..... plus, last but not least.... THE LADIEZ !!! what is high school without the perv and sleaze at the hotties in your year, followed by the kick in the nuts when you try get fresh :D

*ah, memories*

mtfbwya

DarthBuzzard
11-02-2004, 11:32 PM
Originally posted by Boba Rhett

And we didn't even really have an English class ever either! :o

j00 N3ver H4d 4N 3N9Li5H CL@s5? pFFT, Wh@+ @ No08 !

My current school is almost the exact opposite; it threw so much into education that my school can no longer support the football team (which I play on...:( ) and may close down Orchestra (which I play in), band, and our basketball program. Still, we are getting a serious education here...which explains why im up at 1:30 doing homework right now...

Elijah
11-02-2004, 11:34 PM
Homeschooled, ALL my life, NEVER a day in a public school. And No, I didnt miss anything of importance, my socail life is thriving, and I never regret a moment of it.

Redwing
11-02-2004, 11:44 PM
Originally posted by ZDawg
Homeschooled, ALL my life, NEVER a day in a public school. And No, I didnt miss anything of importance, my socail life is thriving, and I never regret a moment of it.

It's good that you don't regret it, but it seems to me that you really have no idea whether or not you missed anything of importance. ;)

Originally posted by Boba Rhett
Well I don't know where you went to school but mine was just terrible. :( It was a sports school. We were all sharing thirty year old text books while the school built a new gym and bought equipment for our football team.

Even really early on. I was forced to try and learn to write right handed in my first year there despite my protest that I was a lefty. Not until 8 months in when my teacher brought my terrible writing up to my parents did she finally realise I wasn't just dumb. She totally screwed me up for life and it doesn't feel natural to write with either of my hands to this day. You should see my handwriting, it looks like I stroke out anytime I touch a pencil. :(

And we didn't even really have an English class ever either! :o

:x Holy crap.

I really, really hate sports schools. ><

DarthBuzzard
11-02-2004, 11:46 PM
Originally posted by ZDawg
Homeschooled, ALL my life, NEVER a day in a public school. And No, I didnt miss anything of importance, my socail life is thriving, and I never regret a moment of it.

How would you know if you never missed anything if you weren't there to know what you are missing...:eek:

:EDIT: that's two times in two minutes that RedWing's stole my thunder...:mad:

Darth Rythe
11-03-2004, 12:50 AM
No, I waz ejumecated at a weel skoole.

At leest I-v got sum gramu, scru spellin,

jon_hill987
11-03-2004, 02:03 AM
Originally posted by Boba Rhett
It was a sports school. We were all sharing thirty year old text books while the school built a new gym and bought equipment for our football team.

I hate schools that specalise in a subject, in yr7 (dunno how that works with the american grade system but I was 11 at the begining of the year I think) I went to a language college, I had to learn french, japanise and english (of course) but I can't do languages. I moved house at the ende of the year so I coudn't stay at the same school, what a pitty .

IG-64
11-03-2004, 02:20 AM
Originally posted by ZDawg
Homeschooled, ALL my life, NEVER a day in a public school. And No, I didnt miss anything of importance, my socail life is thriving, and I never regret a moment of it.

:wstupid: exactly.

BawBag™
11-03-2004, 03:48 AM
ZDawg
my socail life is thriving

Originally posted by IG-64
:wstupid: exactly.

I thought you said you only had friends on the net? :dozey:

Aaaaaanyway................. :D

IG-64
11-03-2004, 03:50 AM
Originally posted by BawBag™
I thought you said you only had friends on the net? :dozey:

Aaaaaanyway................. :D


I have a friend >.> <.<


Ok, ok, my social life isn't exactly "thriving" :xp:

GothiX
11-03-2004, 04:11 AM
Originally posted by ZDawg
Homeschooled, ALL my life, NEVER a day in a public school. And No, I didnt miss anything of importance, my socail life is thriving, and I never regret a moment of it.

That explains your title. If you barely ever get in touch with believes different from yours, you won't get any perspective (other than your own brainwashed one) on matters either.

Sam Fisher
11-03-2004, 04:46 AM
Hear hear!

Yes, I have been homeschooled all my life, and so has all my other brothers and sisters for the past 20 years.

We just go to college, mum does everything else.

ET Warrior
11-03-2004, 05:13 AM
I'm a staunch advocate of not public schooling kids. I have met FAR too many homeschooled kids who have NO idea how to properly interact with kids their own age. Occasionally you'll find a homeschooled kid who has learned social skills through other outlets, but in my experience the majority of kids who are homeschooled have their ability to interact socially completely screwed over for life.

And I think public school made me smart enough, I made it into engineering school :dozey:

toms
11-03-2004, 05:25 AM
whoa... america is such a weird place... :eek:

The thing about home schooling is, that you are only going to be exposed to the viewpoints that your parents believe in. (unless they are very open minded parents).

School might be a sucky experience in many ways, but it does expose you to all different types of viewpoints, people, races, beliefs and so on.

I'm not saying that everyone who is home scooled will get that, but i just keep remembering some sucky tv series i watched ages ago about american nazis... with all the kids being taught at home about how to hate other races, and how everything was the fault of the jews and so on... now those kids will probably not be exposed to any alternate views and those views will stay with them for the rest of their lives (and be taught to their kids in turn).

In smaller ways the same thing will happen in any home schooling environment, tho hopefully the internet will go some way to allowing kids to be exposed to a wide range of views, whatever their parents to prevent..

Rogue15
11-03-2004, 05:36 AM
I've experienced all 3. first i went public school k-mid second grade...then private school half of 2-6th grade.....i remember my first year of that christian school......the ****ing teacher wouldn't leave me alone....i must've been in the principal's office like 4 times that year. >=( all was not bad in that school though, i had some friends. then i moved to florida and was homeschooled 7-12. that wasn't too bad, except i had like absolutely no way of making any friends...after homeschool and i get my ged we finally move to PA....i still have no "real" friends to this day. life sucks. :cool:

ckcsaber
11-03-2004, 05:37 AM
Even if you are the closest of pals with someone, how can you judge a person and decipher their "social skills". Shut it and worry about yourself. If I was home-schooled all my life I DEFINITLY would not someone saying "Oh poor _____. He was home schooled and will never really be able to interact like a good normal person."

Originally posted by Gothix
That explains your title. If you barely ever get in touch with believes different from yours, you won't get any perspective (other than your own brainwashed one) on matters either.

Home schooling explains the title "Jesus Christ Hard Core"? Alriiiiiiighty then. So, if a person is home schooled, that means they don't get in touch with society? They live in the confines of their house their entire youth? Stop assuming. Really. It makes you look like a complete ass, especially when you are "blaming" someone’s personal faith on his lack of a public education.

GothiX
11-03-2004, 05:47 AM
When you're young, school and homework WILL take up most of your time. And at young age, kids are easily manipulatable, which then affects how they grow up. If soimeone is homeschooled in a Christian way, there's a 90% chane he'll and up as a Christian, and quite a blind one as well. Being with lot of people does give you more perspective on religion, wether you like it or not, and it makes you more open-minded about it as well.

LukeKatarn
11-03-2004, 05:48 AM
I have been homeschooling all my life... of course I'm only in 6th grade... Anyway I have quite good social skills and I don't just talk to people on the internet. I have friends, and I don't hate anyone for waht they look like, it is who they are. :xd: EWWWWWWWW! I SOUND LIKE A GIRL! :xd: BLECH!:jab1 :swear: :edeaths: :lechuck: There, gross smileys. AM I a boy again now?:D

ckcsaber
11-03-2004, 05:54 AM
If soimeone is homeschooled in a Christian way, there's a 90% chane he'll and up as a Christian, and quite a blind one as well.

I find that hard to believe. Show me those statistics you spout so freely.

Being with lot of people does give you more perspective on religion, wether you like it or not, and it makes you more open-minded about it as well.

I agree.

Now tell me how are you able to judge whether or not a person "has been with a lot of people", especially considering the fact that this is an internet forum and I highly doubt you know the ins and outs of ZDawg's life.

GothiX
11-03-2004, 05:58 AM
Those statistics were taken froma psychology book I borrowed from the library, brought it bakc a week or two ago.

And I never claimed to know the ins and outs of ZDawg's life, I merely stated that at this age, schol takes up more than half of ones time. I'd be surprised to find this any different for ZDawg.

ckcsaber
11-03-2004, 06:04 AM
Originally posted by GothiX
And I never claimed to know the ins and outs of ZDawg's life, I merely stated that at this age, schol takes up more than half of ones time. I'd be surprised to find this any different for ZDawg.

*cough*

Originally posted by GothiX
That explains your title. If you barely ever get in touch with believes different from yours, you won't get any perspective (other than your own brainwashed one) on matters either.


Anyways, the point I'm trying to make is that home schooling's results are each unique and should be viewed individually.

LukeKatarn
11-03-2004, 06:08 AM
They should. I am homeschooler, and you don't see me going around hateing jews and blacks and stuff. I'm friends with a jew!

GothiX
11-03-2004, 06:16 AM
ckcsaber, I didn't mean it as if I knew his life exactly, never said to do so either. I *do* tend to view people individually, I hate to be simply cathegorised myself as well. It's just my perception, that ZDawg nevr has seriously been in toch with people with views contrasting to his.

And LukeKatarn; go you. That's ONE other religion, based on a lot of principals that are the same as protestant christianity.

Sam Fisher
11-03-2004, 06:30 AM
I really don't get it.

How come so many people think homeschooled kids are shut ins and cannot interact with other human beings?

LukeKatarn
11-03-2004, 06:49 AM
We are very well educated. Just look at my sister. 14 years old, and a SENIOR IN HIGH SCHOOL! That's where homeschooling got her because she would never be allowed sto skip grades or do two of em in the same year in public schools.

GothiX
11-03-2004, 06:52 AM
I skipped a grade in public school, so yeah, you're wrong.

Sam Fisher; it's due to the fact that a lot of home-schooled kids actually are. There's more to the world than just people visiting the Swamp, you know.

Sam Fisher
11-03-2004, 06:57 AM
But its election time, so I have to be on a lot right now ;)

And yes, I have a social life besides the internet.

You know, a job.

Mex
11-03-2004, 07:01 AM
Originally posted by LukeKatarn
I have been homeschooling all my life... of course I'm only in 6th grade... Anyway I have quite good social skills and I don't just talk to people on the internet. I have friends, and I don't hate anyone for waht they look like, it is who they are. :xd: EWWWWWWWW! I SOUND LIKE A GIRL! :xd: BLECH!:jab1 :swear: :edeaths: :lechuck: There, gross smileys. AM I a boy again now?:D

How old are you? 5? 6? :indif: I can't work out these wierd American grades. :xp:

I think homeschooling is tard to be honest, what fun is learning if you can't talk to your friends at all.

ckcsaber
11-03-2004, 07:06 AM
Originally posted by GothiX
Sam Fisher; it's due to the fact that a lot of home-schooled kids actually are. There's more to the world than just people visiting the Swamp, you know.

Stop acting like you know people. Seriously.

There is more to the world than visiting an internet forum, obviously. There is also more to the world than attending a public school. There are many different ways and places youth can interact with others.

I was home schooled for about 1 semester due to a situation within my family. Obviously I do not have the "experience" of a full time "home schooler", but I have an idea of what it's like.

GothiX
11-03-2004, 07:08 AM
What I meant was that the home-schooled people on the Swamp are not the only homeschooled people in this world. The ones I encountered on here are, by far, more social than the ones I know in real life.

LukeKatarn
11-03-2004, 07:08 AM
Originally posted by Pal™
How old are you? 5? 6? :indif: I can't work out these wierd American grades. :xp:

I think homeschooling is tard to be honest, what fun is learning if you can't talk to your friends at all. I'm 11, and school isn't about friends it's about learning. If you go to school just to get friends, they why do you go to school? School is for learning, and I have friends I just don't meet them at school. I do meet them in real life though.

Elijah
11-03-2004, 08:11 AM
In Reply to GothiX's Assumptions, which are FAR from correct, I have worked for a construction company since I was a young kid, and met everyone from the lunatic millionairs to the humble single mother. On a second note, I have travled the world several times, with the very IDEA to meet new people and talk about what they believe. I have a better Idea of how the world runs, and how other people think, than a majority of the Americans who sit around, and like you stated, get your info from a library book. I've been everywere from the Deep Jungles of South America, to the few tribes left in Australia, and down to South Africa.

Like LukeKatarn said, school isnt life, and life goes beyond school. A Room with 30+ people of the exact same age, is a false evironment, were ealse in life will you find that same setting? certainly not the work place.

Vagabond
11-03-2004, 08:35 AM
Originally posted by ZDawg
...I have a better Idea of how the world runs, and how other people think, than a majority of the Americans who sit around, and like you stated, get your info from a library book...

...Like LukeKatarn said, school isnt life, and life goes beyond school. A Room with 30+ people of the exact same age, is a false evironment, were ealse in life will you find that same setting? certainly not the work place... No doubt you gained valuable insight from your real-world experiences. But one of the first rules of ignorance is not knowing what you don't know. To assume that you automatically know more than every single American (not sure why Americans were singled out) who has not traveled to the same places that you have, is a very arrogant and inflammatory statement, illustrating that perhaps you are not so wise as you believe yourself to be.

With regard to the education of children, my wife has a degree in education, and actually taught elementary school for several years, before moving on to a more appreciative career. My point is that children do learn better when they are able to learn from and socialize with children of their own age.

Equating children of the same age to working with people in the workplace of the same age is nonsensical, as that's not the purpose of that setting. Young children’s' minds develop at a very similar pace, hence it makes sense from a logistical and developmental point of view, to educate children of the same developmental level at the same time.

Presuming that you are not an educator, I choose to believe the judgment of my wife, based on her university education and her experience actually educating children, over your time on the construction site and in the jungle.

toms
11-03-2004, 08:42 AM
Originally posted by LukeKatarn
They should. I am homeschooler, and you don't see me going around hateing jews and blacks and stuff. I'm friends with a jew!

not at all. But (assuming your parents have any beliefs) your parents will naturally have emphasised the things that they believe in, and de-emphasised (or ignored) the things that they don't. They are only human after all. Teachers do the same of course, but are more limited in how much they can do it, and there are many more of them to even out the effect.

I'm not saying they are, but your parents could be teaching you ANY LOAD OF RUBBISH, how would you know? They are your main source of info. They could have taught you that the world was flat and on the back of elephants... how would you know any different if they are pretty much your main source of information?

The fact you have been taught that black people are black because of some weird "mark of cain" thing is a little worrying though... ;-)

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I'd say that 75% of school is about learning to socialise, make friends, make enemies, meeting wide ranges of people, etc... 25% might be about education.
Not that you can't do all of those while homeschooled, but it has got to be harder.

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Frankly, I'm amazed at the number of home schooled people on here. I have NEVER met a single person in real life who was homeschooled. Never even heard mention of one (except on the tv).

Rogue15
11-03-2004, 09:01 AM
there are things like group homeschooling...mothers bring their kids to this place like once a month for a meeting, and it's an opportunity to make friends....heh my mom brought me there and everybody there was like 5 years younger than me. i was pissed and never went again, except for the end of the year stanford tests that determined if I passed or failed that grade...

I didn't get taught by my parents however. I used this curriculum that was made for computer. It did all the work for my mom pretty much. XD my grades were mostly above average on the tests.

The worse thing about it from my experience, was there were not as many opportunities to make friends.

Redwing
11-03-2004, 10:24 AM
Originally posted by Sam Fisher
I really don't get it.

How come so many people think homeschooled kids are shut ins and cannot interact with other human beings?

Not quite. The fact is, many of them do not (rather than cannot) interact with other human beings, except for the few their parents approve of. Not necessarily a wide selection, depending on the parents.

I interacted with almost no one, except for brief encounters during say, Sunday school, and I know it's the same for a great many other homeschooled children (my mother was involved in that community).

Although, the fact is there are a million variations of home schooling, since it's obviously not standardized like public school. Not every homeschooler is a shut-in...just most.

And yes, if you're only exposed to one viewpoint through your entire life - that of your parents - you are a shut-in. ;)

We are very well educated. Just look at my sister. 14 years old, and a SENIOR IN HIGH SCHOOL! That's where homeschooling got her because she would never be allowed sto skip grades or do two of em in the same year in public schools.

Yup. Although I only 'officially' skipped one grade, at about 6th grade I tested at maximum state grade reading level, 10th grade math level. On the other hand I never had the chance to develop any social skills.

ET Warrior
11-03-2004, 10:38 AM
We are very well educated. Just look at my sister. 14 years old, and a SENIOR IN HIGH SCHOOL! That's where homeschooling got her because she would never be allowed sto skip grades or do two of em in the same year in public schools.

Aside from the fact that public schools can and will skip kids ahead grades if their intellect allows it, I am a firm advocate against skipping multiple grades.

There's a kid who was in my calc 3 class and is now in my physics class. I think he's 13 years old now. Woo hoo, he's smart. You know what else? I cannot STAND him. He is quite possibly one of the most annoying people I've ever met, because he doesn't know how to interact with the people he's around. He is a 13 year old surrounded by 20 year olds, he has NO real interactions with other students during class.

I think it's sad.

TiE23
11-03-2004, 03:01 PM
Yar, 6th, 7th, and 8th grade, im now in 9th grade. :p

TiE

Spider AL
11-03-2004, 03:13 PM
Not every homeschooler is a shut-in...just most.Do the statistics support you in this claim, Redwing, or are you just projecting your own experience onto your world-view? I'm not dissing you, I'm genuinely curious as regards this subject. From what I've been told, homeschooling when done correctly is a fundamentally superior method of education.

Yup. Although I only 'officially' skipped one grade, at about 6th grade I tested at maximum state grade reading level, 10th grade math level. On the other hand I never had the chance to develop any social skills.You do realise that there are plenty of kids IN SCHOOL who have absolutely feeble social skills, don't you? They're ostracised, they form cliques of nerds, they become bitter and twisted... they try to set fire to their schools, you name it.

Once again it appears to me as if the quality of homeschooling would depend entirely on the school, ie: The home in question.

KBell
11-03-2004, 03:16 PM
All the homeschooled kids I know are shut-ins. And in my mind, that's considered most.

ET Warrior
11-03-2004, 03:17 PM
The only facts I can give are the facts I have experienced. In my experience with homeschooled kids they are VERY ackward and VERY socially inept. Even the "nerdy" kids in high school who don't really fit in are still more adept at interacting with other kids than the majority of homeschooled kids I know.

Again, this is just my personal experience.

Lady Jedi
11-03-2004, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by Sam Fisher
Hear hear!

Yes, I have been homeschooled all my life, and so has all my other brothers and sisters for the past 20 years.

We just go to college, mum does everything else.

:wstupid:

And you guys can't say that all homeschoolers have no social life. It really depends on the way the homeschooling is done that decides that. And just like we homeschooled kids "don't know what we're missing' (:rolleyes: ) you non-homeschooled kids "don't know what you're missing" either. Ya see? It can go both ways. :D

Note: I am not trying to offend anyone. :)

ET Warrior
11-03-2004, 03:20 PM
I suppose it depends on if you had successful social skills and a decent school to attend on whether or not you'd prefer homeschooling.

I can't think of any reason why you would choose to be schooled in a secluded environment away from peers of your own age and interests through what can be the best carefree friend filled years of your life.


Seems like you miss out on a LOT, and don't really get that much back in return.

legameboy
11-03-2004, 03:25 PM
I've just been home schooled a little bit. I went to pre-school, then I was home schooled for kindergarden, first grade, and second grade in Mexico. After being home schooled in Mexico, I came back to the States. Unfortunately, the school I went to held me back to second grade. I went through second and third grade, then moved back down to Mexico and went to a private school there (your typical public school in Mexico is horrid) for fourth, fifth, and sixth (for one semester) grade. After that I moved to Denver, Colorado, and went to a public school where they advanced me to seventh grade for that second semester. I went through seventh and eighth grade there at that school, then moved here to Missouri, where I am now the thirteen year old freshman at Harrisonville High School. Soon to come, you will see me in Minnesota as a freshman (second semester). I just love moving, don't you. :p

Joe©
11-03-2004, 04:03 PM
Originally posted by ET Warrior
The only facts I can give are the facts I have experienced. In my experience with homeschooled kids they are VERY ackward and VERY socially inept. Even the "nerdy" kids in high school who don't really fit in are still more adept at interacting with other kids than the majority of homeschooled kids I know.

Again, this is just my personal experience.

what do you mean by "inept"? does that mean that they are awkward in the sight of public schoolers? I know I feel a little out of place with any one who goes to public school, just because we aren't "cool" to they're standerds, and they met a few wacko shut ins. we are not all like that. I am a home schooler all of my life and I do socialize, I work with public schoolers on a regular basis and don't feel I would do good in that type of school situation, I am not above the grade level like some HS, my parents do not tell me what to think, I find the facts myself. and I see other people my age all the time.

Samuel Dravis
11-03-2004, 08:53 PM
Originally posted by ET Warrior
I suppose it depends on if you had successful social skills and a decent school to attend on whether or not you'd prefer homeschooling.

I can't think of any reason why you would choose to be schooled in a secluded environment away from peers of your own age and interests through what can be the best carefree friend filled years of your life.


Seems like you miss out on a LOT, and don't really get that much back in return. I do love the hours, though. Yay for me! 4 hours or less on school a day, and the rest are up to me! Leaves quite a lot of time for socializing, eh? I don't have the problems you described...must be a statistical fluke or something. >: D

Redwing
11-03-2004, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by Spider AL
Do the statistics support you in this claim, Redwing, or are you just projecting your own experience onto your world-view? I'm not dissing you, I'm genuinely curious as regards this subject. From what I've been told, homeschooling when done correctly is a fundamentally superior method of education.

I don't know the statistics, but I'm not judging from my own experience; I'm judging from the fact that most parents who homeschool do it to protect their children from the outside world; i.e. viewpoints opposing their own.

Although, perhaps you're right; the above does not necessarily hold true for all kids who fall under the banner of homeschooling. Just the ones I have known of, which considering their numbers I have always assumed formed a majority. Yet if that is so, it puts most homeschooled kids here in the minority, because you're on the Internet, being exposed to alternate points of view all over the place. :)

(And, I agree that homeschooling when done correctly is a fundamentally superior method of education. However, knowledge isn't necessarily everything.)


You do realise that there are plenty of kids IN SCHOOL who have absolutely feeble social skills, don't you? They're ostracised, they form cliques of nerds, they become bitter and twisted... they try to set fire to their schools, you name it.

Once again it appears to me as if the quality of homeschooling would depend entirely on the school, ie: The home in question.

Yes, certainly. I didn't say that my experienced matched everyone's. I had NO chance to develop social skills; it is more common, to my observation, that homeschooled children have some opportunities to do so, since their parents are involved in communities themselves.

Note these nasty school kids you mentioned do have 'social skills', they are just very bad. Never said there wasn't a dark side of the coin. ;)

IG-64
11-03-2004, 10:47 PM
I'll just input that my mom is a very good teacher, and both my parents are very open-minded, and i'm content with my 1 friend, and his bro, and all the fun stuff we've done together. And all the great online friends I have, which is no diffrent IMHO, since I never do physical activities anyways. Me, my bro, my friend, and his bro, we all usually just sit down and talk or play video games, or work on the computer anyways.

One more thing: I don't feel like i've been educationally deprived in any way, in fact, my sister, who was homeschooled all her life is now going to community college, and has gotten high grades, and multiple comments about how our mom did a very good job teaching her. And she is now also working as a Japanese Tutor at the college, and has many new friends from her college and the jobs shes worked at.

So, I guess I just fall under the category one of the "lucky homeschoolers"

I'd also like to note (modesty aside :p ), that I am a very nice person in the real world. It's just that, once I tried to be nice online, I realised if I did so, then i'd get run over.


*leaves, content*

Chewbacco
11-04-2004, 07:02 AM
Was in 7th and 8th grade in home school, now I am in 10th grade.

Spider AL
11-04-2004, 08:02 AM
I don't know the statistics, but I'm not judging from my own experience; I'm judging from the fact that most parents who homeschool do it to protect their children from the outside world; i.e. viewpoints opposing their own.Hmm, I think you may be referring to religious people here, in which case it would be a predominantly American phenomenon, as opposed to English. I, being from the UK, have a different perspective on the merits of the schooling system, as we don't get quite as many creationists over here. ;)

(And, I agree that homeschooling when done correctly is a fundamentally superior method of education. However, knowledge isn't necessarily everything.)Social skills are also learned behaviours, and therefore qualify as knowledge. Knowledge IS everything, pretty much.

Yet if that is so, it puts most homeschooled kids here in the minority, because you're on the Internet, being exposed to alternate points of view all over the place. Yes, I should imagine the Internet would be fabulous for those American homeschooled kids that are allowed to access it.

Elijah
11-04-2004, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by Vagabond
No doubt you gained valuable insight from your real-world experiences. But one of the first rules of ignorance is not knowing what you don't know. To assume that you automatically know more than every single American (not sure why Americans were singled out) who has not traveled to the same places that you have, is a very arrogant and inflammatory statement, illustrating that perhaps you are not so wise as you believe yourself to be. Ignorant is taking what I said completely out of context. I singled out Americans, because out of all of the types of people I have met, in every different country, I find that the most arrogant and stuck group of people are the Americans. I simply stated that I knew more of the real world than the "average American" and I stand by those words,


With regard to the education of children, my wife has a degree in education, and actually taught elementary school for several years, before moving on to a more appreciative career. My point is that children do learn better when they are able to learn from and socialize with children of their own age. Learn better what? What is it they learn better? A kid in public school only learns better around children his age, because he is brainwashed into believe it is the ONLY was he can learn


Equating children of the same age to working with people in the workplace of the same age is nonsensical, as that's not the purpose of that setting. Young children’s' minds develop at a very similar pace, hence it makes sense from a logistical and developmental point of view, to educate children of the same developmental level at the same time.Equating Children with People is not nonsense in any way, “preparing your kids for life” is not putting them in a box every day for 6 hours with 30 kids their exact same age..
The biggest question I run into with people about me being home schooled is "well what about your social life?" my question is "What about it?" the people that ask me this, never take the time to take into account that I can obviously socialize with them enough to discuss my education history. The point about socialization is completely mute, utter nonsense and is completely annoying. I have met, and know more Public schooled kids, with less "street smarts" or "people skills" than any homeschoolers I know.

Quit the Stereo types, these assumptions that we are all locked up social rejects is utterly ridiculous. I apologize if I sound harsh about this, but seriously “you don’t know what your missing” goes two ways.

MennoniteHobbit
11-04-2004, 05:22 PM
I go to a public school but I have not, and do not, had public school as my main source of knowledge. Even with public school my mom taught me things many grades ahead while I taught myself other things like computers, some physics, etc.

Homeschooling has its benefits as does public schooling. Personally I prefer public schooling due to the social activity... and people of both genders you meet....

My point is that children do learn better when they are able to learn from and socialize with children of their own age.

That could be due to actual motivation because there's someone to socialize with in the class so it isn't always so gloomy and boring, which in turn makes learning unwanted in a way.

The Saxman
11-05-2004, 06:59 PM
Hi,

I have heard some REALLY weird idea's from both sides in this thread.

Don't base an opinion on one or two grades, of either public school, or homeschool. You will almost ALWAYS not like it, because it's different than what you're used to.

I graduated from homeschool last spring, having had my whole education at home. I scored post-high-school/college-level on my CAT tests since 8th grade (except for spelling :p). My IQ test said I was a 146 (100 being average). And, school lasted about 3 hours a day for me.

A few questions: Why do some people in this thread think its WRONG for parents to teach their kids what they believe? ONE point of view has to be right. Is a teacher's point of view more healthy than a parents? Its not possible to teach something completely VOID of religion. If you don't teach one, you'll be teaching another. Evolution fits the definition of a religion, because science cannot PROVE that something has happend, it can only make observations on repeatable experiments. Thus, you must BELIEVE that evolution happend, if you are convinced that the evidence supports it. This makes Evolution a perfectly valid belief, NOT perfectly valid "science". (I'm STRESSING THIS POINT. Its up to you if YOU believe Evolution. Don't call me stupid for NOT believing it)

Yes, I AM a Christian (biblical literalist), Creationist (young earth), and a Republican.

I am not a Creationist because my parents "indoctrinated" me. Either the universe was created by something (or someone) apart from itself, or it created itself. I believe (based on several years of study in the subject) that the evidence does not support the latter idea. Thus I believe that a divine being created the universe.

As to why I'm a Christian, I have also studied several "holy" scriptures, and as to date there is NO evidence that anything in the Bible is false. That is, any evidence we have so far, has validated what the Bible says. Many other "holy" scriptures, are NOT validated by the evidence we have, and many contradict themselves. (The Bible does not contradict itself in the original languages, which I have read. Some of the modern english translations do, but is because of how weird english is!). I do not believe that this is the place to disscuss why I'm a protestant Christian, and not a Judiast. That belongs in a different forum.

As to why I am a Republican, that has to do with my studies of how economics work, and how I've seen Republican ideas applied. (NO political flame, PLEASE!!)

I have more friends than I can count (yes, REAL LIFE friends, and not all of them believe like I do). And they are of ALL ages. My youngest friend is 8, and my oldest friend is 27. (That's MALE AND FEMALE). A good number of my friends ARE the same age as me (Nathan, James, Emily, Charlie, Robert, Cathrine, Gabe, Lexi, Jeff, Bethany......). I've met them through church, work, concerts, parties and dozens of other places. We participate in almost every activity you can name. That's non harmful, No: smoking, drinking, sex, drugs, ect...

I do not have many ("many" not "any") public school friends, because most that I have met don't want to talk to me, and have said as much. Several people in this thread have said that when they talk to homeschoolers, that they have no social skills. As of today I have yet to see ONE public schooler make an EFFORT to talk to homeschoolers. Every one that I have met ignores us till WE try to talk to them OR they clam up when they find out that we're homschooled; that includes my cousins (who are all public schooled). You might think we're "weird", and have no social skills simply because you're not trying to be social yourself (that is the case where I am, I hope its not so everywhere).

All of this to say:

Most of us have a fantastic education experience
We CAN AND DO think for ourselves
AND WE ARE NOT social hermits......

Yes, I'm basing this on my experience. However I know approximately 300 homeschoolers, so I believe that I have a broader scope than many are privilaged with (no, I'm not saying that I'm smarter than anyone else).

Sorry for the long post, I hope I don't get in trouble with the moderators.....
The Saxman

DONT FLAME, that gets you nowhere.

Spider AL
11-05-2004, 07:42 PM
Its not possible to teach something completely VOID of religion. If you don't teach one, you'll be teaching another. Evolution fits the definition of a religion, because science cannot PROVE that something has happend, it can only make observations on repeatable experiments. Thus, you must BELIEVE that evolution happend, if you are convinced that the evidence supports it. This makes Evolution a perfectly valid belief, NOT perfectly valid "science". (I'm STRESSING THIS POINT. Its up to you if YOU believe Evolution. Don't call me stupid for NOT believing it)
Science as a community has many dogmatic aspects, and one can equate it in that respect to religion. But one cannot define science or scientific theories literally as religion.

Religion is defined by the belief in the supernatural. Something OUTSIDE nature. Outside the physical universe, and independent of its laws.

There is nothing supernatural in science, merely a slew of unknowns.

Science observed properly contains no totally proven theories. Nothing is ever "truth". In religion there is always "truth".

Evolution is still a theory. In fact, it's slowly being replaced with modified theories that better explain the evidence. Theories are merely logical explanations that fit known facts, they do not rely on faith or anything close to religious belief. Since the concept of evolution was theoretical in nature and appeared to fit the available facts, it was therefore valid science.

Your points have now been logically disproven. By definition, you were incorrect. There is no argument, nor any loophole.

You may now either prove yourself to be open minded enough to accept this... by accepting it, or prove yourself to be a religious fundamentalist by stubbornly denying it.

Your answer and its tone will tell me to what degree you can think for yourself.

--

It is apparent to me now that in America, many children are homeschooled for vastly different reasons than in the UK where I live. In the UK, the majority of homeschooled children are educated at home because their parents fear for their development in our notoriously inadequate state school system. It seems to me now that in the US a huge number of homeschoolers are brought home so that they cannot be exposed to anything in the curriculum that contradicts the teachings of the bible.

This is a terrible, terrible thing. Reason is all that separates us from the beasts of the field, from rampant savagery. The fact that so many in both the US and Islamic countries are letting the thinking portion of their brain atrophy because of the incessant bead-rattling of religion is more than worrying, it's frightening. Frightening that not enough people have advanced nor evolved ;) enough to escape the ever-present yoke of the ignorant: Dogma.

I simply stated that I knew more of the real world than the "average American" and I stand by those words,I also stand by his words. ;) Sadly, NEARLY every American I've ever met, though they've been friendly enough and articulate enough... has always had a limited idea about life outside the US. e.g: I know more about life in... Oh, South Africa, a place I've never visited, than the average American knows about life in the UK. Even though they're for example... tourists here for some time before I meet them.

They have also had a fairly arrogant idea that the US is the greatest country in the world, and that everyone should emulate it in all respects. No doubt many of you believe the same thing, after all it's been drummed into you since you were small. The statistics do not back you up, however.

The Seeker
11-05-2004, 09:59 PM
Okay, I feel like about now is the time to put in my two cents.

Neither aspect of education can be tallied into a steriotypical category, because every single person will react differently to what and how they're taught.

I have been homeschooled my entire life, and feel that I am better for it. I have had very few home schooled friends, but never suffered for a lack of friends from public schools. In fact everyone who I consider a friend either is or was public schooled.

It's true that every home schooler I have met is very intelligent about their schooling. I haven't met any shut ins, but I know that they exist. I agree that home schooling for the sole purpose of brainwashing your children of independent thought is wrong in the worst way.

I find that with public schoolers, there are so many uneducated ineloquent, morons out there, that I can't help but feel pity. When I meet someone who can't form a single sentence without saying "like" twenty times or taking an "um" break between words, or hates reading "because it's stupid", I just can't help but shake my head in wonder. I know that not all public schoolers aren't like that, but just as with the few shut ins and outcast of home schools, the morons can cast a pretty bad shadow over public schools

My Mom home schooled me because she knew that she could give better than what was being taught in public schools. Which, I believe she was right. While I was in school, I always scored a grade or two ahead of where I was at the time. My social skills are just fine, and my entire family gets nothing but compliments on our behaviour and social skills. And this from people we just met.

Anyways, I know that public schools are easier to make friends in, but because I have no trouble around people in my own life, I can't see that I missed anything good.

I mean, the way I see it is I got a great education, have great friends, and a wonderful and open relationship with my Mom. I suppose that because I was taught in home, (and not influenced by peers) not to engage in pre-marital sex, drinking, smoking, and drugs, that you could call me brainwashed. Call it what you want, but I am 20 years old, and still have yet to get near flushing my life down the crapper.

Sorry for the long post, but this place started to sound like a political debate with the "I'm right!" "No, I"m Right!" conversations, and I needed to shake it up a bit with "Nobody's right, yet you both are" *Narrows eyes conspiratorily* Yeeeeahhhh, think about it.

The Saxman
11-05-2004, 10:18 PM
Sigh....this debate is exactly why I was hesitant to post at all.......

I did not want the focus of my post to be creation vs. evolution.

I was merely stating my beliefs and how I arrived at them. I was not attacking evolution. However you have given no empirical evidence to support the "theory" of evolution, so you have NOT given a "logical" refutation of my statements.

This is how science works: Facts and phenomenon are observed in the universe. A group of related facts are compiled, and a Hypothisis is formed to try to explain the existance of them. If evidence is found to support this Hypothisis, it becomes a theory. As a general rule, scientists who believe in evolution take the oposite aproach. A group of individuals created an idea of how they BELIEVED the universe came to be, how they BELIEVED life formed, and are NOW searching for "facts" to back this IDEA up (missing links).

A man I admire for both his sense of humor, and depth of research in to this topic is Dr. Kent Hovind: www.drdino.com

Quote from myself: "Its up to you if YOU believe Evolution. Don't call me stupid for NOT believing it" End quote.

By your reply you have just implied that I am closeminded if I don't agree with you. There is nothing stubborn to hold to a belief that has evidence to back it up, none to refute it, and is at least marginally within the bounds of common sense.

Never once did I say that my parents taught me to think this way, never once did I say that my parents were Christians....Why are you assuming this? Do you believe that no "non-indoctrinated" person would ever become a Christian?

"Religious Fundamentalist" in its true sense is a title I wear proudly. I hold the fundamental beliefs of my religion as VERY valuable. And as much as you can see MY belief system through what I type, and how it affects my thoughts; I can see the same in your's. Example: "Reason is all that separates us from the beasts of the field, from rampant savagery."

I don't think (and it was never my intention) that I will "convert" anyone to my way of thinking by posting here. I was merely stating my beliefs. Don't suppose that you can convert me either. It is unreasonable of us BOTH to make demands of accepting what the other says in what short snippets this space allows. I have large amounts of evidence to suport my belief and have studied on BOTH sides of this subject. I'm sure you are thinking the same thing about your experiences.

What I consider to be an ultimate measure of open-mindedness, is whether a person can LISTEN to (not agree with, just listen to) another person's beliefs, without feeling the need to confront them or convince them, before they even KNOW them.

This topic doesn't belong in this thread, it belongs in a debate hall. I don't want the moderators to lock this thread down, so I won't reply to any further discusion of it here. If some one wants to start a thread somewhere where debating is allowed I'll join there.

The Saxman

Spider AL
11-05-2004, 10:24 PM
Anyways, I know that public schools are easier to make friends in, but because I have no trouble around people in my own life, I can't see that I missed anything good.A good point, and I think it prudent to add that it's the parents' responsibility to make sure their child has access to a social-life during homeschooling. This is why religiously-based homeschooling is a bad idea, hooooh yeah.

you have NOT given a "logical" refutation of my statements.I have the answer I sought. Most saddening.

Evil Dark Jedi
11-06-2004, 01:47 AM
Never been home-schooled. Ever. Though I do go to a school I am a person who lives on the internet. So I am home-schooled in a different way if you catch my drift..