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Mike Windu
11-20-2004, 08:38 AM
So... who saw the huge fight at the end of the Pistons/Pacers game?

And where can I get some vids :D


Discuss away :p

--ZeeMan--
11-20-2004, 08:55 AM
read about it last nite too...quite shocking!

and i want videos too ^_^ (i will pay for them too....with rhett's firstborn)

KBell
11-20-2004, 09:05 AM
Just flip on Sportscenter. They're showing it constantly now.


Most disgraceful event in the entire history of the NBA. Shame on you Detroit.

--ZeeMan--
11-20-2004, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by KBell
Just flip on Sportscenter. They're showing it constantly now.


Most disgraceful event in the entire history of the NBA. Shame on you Detroit.

some of us don't have cable :p

Mike Windu
11-20-2004, 10:15 AM
Just saw it.

Holy ****. That was one of the craziest fights I've ever seen.



I loved it when they got a breakdown of the fight when Jermaine O Neal bionic punches the fans that attack Artest.

Ben Wallace...:rolleyes: was a simple foul...




Dirty fans... I really felt sorry for the innocent fans, but those that threw cups and chairs and popcorn... shameful. :disaprove

:fist:

Troopr-Undr-Fir
11-20-2004, 10:33 AM
I was watching the game when it happend...


All I can say is that people sometimes just can't hold their emotions in while playing a sport that you have to give your all.


Though, that still isn't an excuse :rolleyes:

Mex
11-20-2004, 10:44 AM
http://media.holla-front.com/nbafight.wmv

Never fear, a link is here!

--ZeeMan--
11-20-2004, 10:57 AM
Originally posted by Pal™
http://media.holla-front.com/nbafight.wmv

Never fear, a link is here!

my hero thanx!

KBell
11-20-2004, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by Troopr-Undr-Fir
I was watching the game when it happend...


All I can say is that people sometimes just can't hold their emotions in while playing a sport that you have to give your all.


Though, that still isn't an excuse :rolleyes:


Whoa whoa here, the fans were definetly NOT playing basketball at the time.

Sure, NBA players should never cross the barrier of the sidelines and go after a fan, but a player can only take so much, especially when the game is 40 seconds from ending, and you get a hard cup of freeze water in your face.

The fans are 90% percent to blame here, as there were actual people on the court going after the Pacers players themselves. The other 10 % of the blame goes to the Pistons players for making the situation even worse.

And yet, all four players from the Pacers team get suspended. Disgraceful indeed, and David Stern should be ashamed of his organization for how they dealed with this.

Mike Windu
11-20-2004, 03:05 PM
Bah, that video does not do the fight justice.

ESPN had panoramic views, zooms on the individual fights... Jermaine O Neal sucker punching the hell out of a fan...

:eek:

MennoniteHobbit
11-20-2004, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by KBell
Everything KBell said...

Three players from the pacers (Ron Artest, Jermaine O'Neal and someone else) and one from the Pistons actually. I also personally think that only 1 or 2 of the NBA players should be suspended for a game or two, and they should fine and even ban those Pistons fans from going to games for a while.

Well even with the Pistons player(s) causing it (surprisingly Ben Wallace shoving Artest didn't make Artest too mad from the videos, though the things coming up after that made him very angry) about at laest 1% of the blame should be put on the Pacers players too.

Bah, that video does not do the fight justice.

Oh you saw Jermaine O'Neal punching that fan, but did you see the fan throwing water at Artest, someone else threw a chair, and another fan hit Artest too?

Ben Wallace... was a simple foul...

Ben Wallace shoving Artest sure started it, but Artest, O'Neal and the other person whose name I can't remember were involved not because of Wallace but because of what happened.

KBell
11-20-2004, 07:31 PM
Originally posted by MennoniteHobbit
Ben Wallace shoving Artest sure started it, but Artest, O'Neal and the other person whose name I can't remember were involved not because of Wallace but because of what happened.

The other person is Stephon Jackson.

While the fans escalated the situation, Ben Wallace causing a flagrant foul with only 40 seconds left and down by 22 points hardly warrants any foul at all.

MennoniteHobbit
11-20-2004, 07:44 PM
It all started when Detroit's Ben Wallace went in for a layup and was fouled hard by Artest from behind. After being fouled, Wallace wheeled around and pushed Artest in the face. The benches emptied and punches were thrown

from http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=241119008

So yep, it was in fact a simple foul that Artest fouled Wallace. tsk tsk Ben.

Anyways, did they count the game as Pacers win, or did they not count it at all because they stopped it with 45 secs left?

Troopr-Undr-Fir
11-20-2004, 07:48 PM
Originally posted by KBell
Whoa whoa here, the fans were definetly NOT playing basketball at the time.

Sure, NBA players should never cross the barrier of the sidelines and go after a fan, but a player can only take so much, especially when the game is 40 seconds from ending, and you get a hard cup of freeze water in your face.

The fans are 90% percent to blame here, as there were actual people on the court going after the Pacers players themselves. The other 10 % of the blame goes to the Pistons players for making the situation even worse.

And yet, all four players from the Pacers team get suspended. Disgraceful indeed, and David Stern should be ashamed of his organization for how they dealed with this.

I know this, but players should be above that kind of behavior...

Fans don't have any common sense not to do anything, so it's players who have to be the bigger people.

KBell
11-20-2004, 07:48 PM
it was counted as a Pacers win.

stingerhs
11-20-2004, 08:55 PM
^^^^
ever heard of soccer riots??? i can understand why its a new thing here, but everyone in europe is probably sayin "bah, that was nothing."

ET Warrior
11-20-2004, 11:08 PM
Originally posted by MennoniteHobbit
Oh you saw Jermaine O'Neal punching that fan, but did you see the fan throwing water at Artest, someone else threw a chair, and another fan hit Artest too?

But Artest turned around after that and started throwing punches at a fan who DIDN'T do aNYTHING to him. He may have been heckling him, but heckling is something you have to deal with in sports. For him to just turn around and start swinging is absolutely unacceptable.

Mike Windu
11-21-2004, 04:38 AM
That was unnecessary, but funny.


And yes Mobbit, ESPN did show Artest getting hit with the cup of water, the chair being thrown, and a zoom and yellow circle drawn around each fan that hit Artest, Jackson, O'Neal... etc.



I'm going back to ESPN, maybe I can record it :D

Astrotoy7
11-21-2004, 05:27 AM
OK, riddle me this Batman, and imagine you all live in world where the US isnt the only country.... I caught a very scant glimpse of this incident on the news. It was no big deal as here in Oz its par for the course to brawl up in sports, fans included :p

can someone explain
1. who was involved
2. who started it
3. what happenned
4. who broke it up
5. what is the aftermath

mtfbwya

Mike Windu
11-21-2004, 05:58 AM
1) Ben Wallace from Detroit Pistons
Ron Artest from Indiana Pacers
Jermaine O Neal from Indiana Pacers
something Jackson from Indiana Pacers

2) Wallace, though it wasn't meant to blow up this big.

3) Wallace goes up for layup and is fouled by Artest. Wallace shoves him in the neck. Both teams rush to them. Artest doesn't do anything but sit down on a table and relax. Everything seems to settle down until a fan hits Artest with a plastic cup full of water and ice. Artest jumps into the stands and proceeds to beat the **** out of a fan while other fans try to beat him up. A fan in a white cap and blue shirt is seen punching Artest. Jackson hits the fan. He's hit. Other Pacers players join in and take down people who hit their teammates. They get Artest down and 2 fans are hassling him. He hits them and is taken down. O Neal rushes down Boromir style and sucker punches the fan. Shazam.


4) Coaches and security drag players into locker room. On the way, more fights break out cause the fans keep throwing water and popcorn and other **** onto the players.
Chairs are thrown etc.

5) All 4 mentioned are suspended indefinitely pending conclusion of NBA official investigation.

KBell
11-21-2004, 05:58 AM
Originally posted by Astrotoy7

can someone explain
1. who was involved
2. who started it
3. what happenned
4. who broke it up
5. what is the aftermath

mtfbwya

1. So far, the only ones punished for it were Ben Wallace of the Detroit Pistons, and Ron Artest, Stephon Jackson, and Jermain O'Neal of the Indiana Pacers

2. Depends. Ben Wallace could be to blame. With 40 seconds left on the clock and the game clearly out of reach, Ben pushed Ron Artest in the back with some force. A Flagrant foul was called, and Artest just walked to the scoreres table and layed down. That was when a fan threw an Ice cup at Artest and hit him in the head. Artest jumped from his seat, and attacked the fan.

3. Fights broke out around the court. Fans were running on the court, and getting pummled by O'Neal and Artest.

4. No one really broke it up. The players were lead into their locker rooms, and the Detroit Pistons coach even trued to calm the crowd by getting on the loud speaker, which didn't work.

5. The aftermath was that the game was called with 40 seconds left. No one is really certain what the long term effects of this will be, maybe guard rails will be put up, maybe front row seats might be stripped away. But the short term effects are simple. Jermain O'Neal, Ben Wallace, Ron Artest, and Stephon Jackson are all suspended from the NBA indefinetly. For how long, I don't know.

Astrotoy7
11-21-2004, 06:09 AM
Thanks Mike and Kbell :D

he he he. sounds a riot.... reminds me of the Eric Cantona(Manchester United Player) incident from the 90s......... apparently some crowd member said something about his mum(??) so he leaped into the crowd and kicked him silly :p

mtfbwya

MennoniteHobbit
11-21-2004, 07:16 AM
For him to just turn around and start swinging is absolutely unacceptable.

Well we don't for a fact exactly what each and every fan that got hit said to incite Artest. And besides, it is absolutely unacceptable for a fan to be on the floor in the first place.

And yes Mobbit, ESPN did show Artest getting hit with the cup of water, the chair being thrown, and a zoom and yellow circle drawn around each fan that hit Artest, Jackson, O'Neal... etc.

No, I know ESPN showed it, I was wondering if you saw it or not.

he he he. sounds a riot.... reminds me of the Eric Cantona(Manchester United Player) incident from the 90s......... apparently some crowd member said something about his mum(??) so he leaped into the crowd and kicked him silly

Interesting...

ever heard of soccer riots??? i can understand why its a new thing here, but everyone in europe is probably sayin "bah, that was nothing."

Interesting too...

KBell
11-21-2004, 02:42 PM
Stern really laid down the law today.

Ron Artest is now suspended for the entire season

Stephon Jackson is gone for 30 games

Jermain O'Neal for 25 games

Ben Wallace 5 games


The Pacers were obviously the ones screwed over by the NBA on this one, as the players suspended were all averaging double figures.

For shame Mr. Stern, for shame

MennoniteHobbit
11-21-2004, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by KBell
Stern really laid down the law today.

Ron Artest is now suspended for the entire season

Stephon Jackson is gone for 30 games

Jermain O'Neal for 25 games

Ben Wallace 5 games


The Pacers were obviously the ones screwed over by the NBA on this one, as the players suspended were all averaging double figures.

For shame Mr. Stern, for shame

I second that.

Reggie Miller was suspended for 1 game??? What the heck? What did he do? I only saw him escorting Artest or someone else into the locker rooms. And anyways he was injured, so... yeah...

wassup
11-21-2004, 04:47 PM
I can sympathize with the punishment for Artest and Jackson, for they crossed the "holy barrier" and into the stands, but from the footage that I have seen O'Neal remained on the court and seemed to be only defending himself from fan(s).

Either way you slice it, thought, the Pacers have been seriously damaged by this event. If this teaches us anything, it's that even the smallest incident can have major consequences.

Mike Windu
11-21-2004, 05:13 PM
Pacers have been ****ed over badly.

Wonder how the rest of their season goes...:rolleyes:

ckcsaber
11-22-2004, 09:35 AM
Originally posted by KBell
For shame Mr. Stern, for shame

Stern had to send a message of zero tolerance to avoid the NBA garnering a reputation like boxing has. With the black eyes basketball has endured recently, there really was no room to play around and risk becoming known to a lot of casual fans as a league of violent degenerates that the league can't control. That's not what the NBA is at all; and Stern made sure their reputation stayed somewhat in tact.

He made the right call.

Kain
11-22-2004, 11:06 AM
I wanna see a pro wrestler get pissed off at a real fan and beat them senseless. I'd laugh my ass off.

Mike Windu
11-23-2004, 02:10 AM
I remember once when wrestling interested me, there was a wrestler who hit a fan because he ran into the ring and interfered or something.



:D

Leper Messiah
11-23-2004, 02:35 AM
Originally posted by Astrotoy7
Thanks Mike and Kbell :D

he he he. sounds a riot.... reminds me of the Eric Cantona(Manchester United Player) incident from the 90s......... apparently some crowd member said something about his mum(??) so he leaped into the crowd and kicked him silly :p


hahahahahahaha that was great, he got an eight month suspension for it, but it was great :D as he said after his retirement "I've got many fond memories from football, my favorites when I kicked the hooligan"

by stingerhs
ever heard of soccer riots??? i can understand why its a new thing here, but everyone in europe is probably sayin "bah, that was nothing."

actually the cantona incident aside i cant recall a major confrontation between players and fans in recent times. the odd fan runs onto the pitch on rare occaisons, and we havnt had abig riot in a while now. americans seem to think for some reason that most if not all soccer games cause a riot, despite the fact that the world cup was held in the USA without any crowd trouble at all. riots are farely rare in football unless you happen to be in Turkey. oh and if a team called Millwall comes to play near you, stay away :D