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kookaburra
11-28-2004, 03:51 AM
I found some very interesting info. Apparently they reviewed KOTOR 2 before it's release. (Some of you probably already know about KOTOR 2 being reviewed, but this was very interesting info- I had to post it!)

UP DATED!!! NOVEMBER 30th 2004
Also I have posted some links (see below) so you can have a look at some magazine scans of the UK Xbox magazine- feel free to take a look!



WARNING! this is a major spoiler! So you have been warned!





Reviews (All scores are out of 10.0)

KOTOR II :The Sith Lords = 9.3 (Original scored 9.5)

"Incredible. It takes all the good from KOTOR, places it in a far more oppressive place then throws you in to deal with it" Game of the Month

"...but it's the story thats the clincher. It doesn't have the spectacle or rip-roaring adventure of KOTOR, but what it lacks in dazzling planets and invention is more then compensated by the UNDENIABLY superior story"

For a sequel to such a classic title, it was almost expected for it to 'do' an Empire Strikes Back. Well it not so much 'does' an Empire Strikes Back, as 'outdoes' it.

If you want dark side fury and hopelessness for all that is good in the Galaxy, KOTOR II's got it in spades"

"For the first few hours of play (four or five without sub-quests, touching doublefigures with) there is nothing to do but run. The hunt is on and you'll find yourself making desperate, frantic dashes across many worlds to escape the Siths clutches."

"You will be worn, beaten and humiliated by the time the pursuit eases a little. You'll resent the game for making you suffer hours of relentless, seemingly hopeless fleeing, but trust us you'll appreciate it

Obsideons decision to make you defenseless for so long was a risk, but the moment you cobble together your first makeshift 'sabre it's like rediscovering what made KOTOR so great in the first place. And from then on in, you're armed almost well enough to start investigationg this most devious and delicious of stories. "I am your father" doesn't even come close"

First bounty hunter you meet who wants to give you to the Sith is.....A WOOKIE. Wookies can be so bad this time around

And apparantly the Twist in KOTOR is nothing compared to the ones in TSL

The Party

"Each has an agenda and seems to be helping you because it suits them, not because they are particularly beheld to you. This causes friction within the group, which, naturally you're left to resolve.

The implementation of potentially volitile 'side taking' within the party is just the first of many new interwoven elements of KOTOR II"

"Depending on how long you listen to someone, or how often you heed their advice, their opinion of you will rise or fall, as will their force alignment.

Others in your party who disagree with your actions (light or dark) will then cease to offer help, so there is potential for your team, the people you'll rely on to save your life, to implode from within"

"....but as Kreiam the Obi-Wan of the peice points out, simply doing the right thing is no longer adequate. Through the new force bond you can see, via Kreia's telepathy the consequences of your actions.

You may give a begger credits, but then to witness him murdered for them, makes you question and second guess everything you're asked to do"


"There are a few sub missions in KOTOR II that require you to take control of other characters. One of these is a dark side C-3P0 who pursuades his dark side companion (a dark side R2, naturally) to go on a killing spree"

"With the entire crew of the Ebon Hawk apparantly dead, it comes as a bit of a surprise when you open the cargo hold to discover the fizzing AK-47 droid from the first game. The psychotic droid seems to have been irreparibly damaged following the mysterious disappearance fo the crew

With newer HK-50 and HK-51 droids being used to hunt you by the Sith, HK-47 might hold a few clues as to why the original crew are missing. If you want to repair him this becomes one of KOTOR II'S ongoing mini-games. Every planet you visit has a part that will mend him. The question is though, will you want to hear what he has to say?"

"As the mystery of KOTOR II slowly unravels, so does the galaxy. Eventually the free roaming planet hoppin gof KOTOR comes back into play, but don;t think for one minute we're going to tell you why. Suffice to say, it's something far graver then peicing together parts of a star map"

done

enjoy




Source
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=2000100&topic=17761819


UP DATED NOVEMBER 30th 2004!!!!


WARNING!!! THIS IS A MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR Spoiler so Please Look At Your Own Risk!


Hello People

I have a extra extra surprise for you all I have magazine scans from the UK xbox magazine you all can have a look at...to view the magazine scans here:


http://img124.exs.cx/img124/883/OXM6.png

and here

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=692

and here

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=693

and here

http://img132.exs.cx/img132/849/OXM22png.png

and here


NOTE: for theses links (BELOW) you might have to search for Star Wars KOTOR 2

http://www.imagelink.org/showimg.php?file=/lukas//20458.jpg&dl=kotor4.jpg

and here

http://www.imagelink.org/index.php?imageid=20445

and here

http://www.imagelink.org/index.php?imageid=20446


This link WILL make your find of the Star Wars Kotor 2 TSL pictures much quicker!

just click this link here:

http://www.imagelink.org/listings.php?search=Star+Wars+Kotor&catid=0&pagenumber=1

Ragnos
11-28-2004, 05:51 AM
Oh god i need this game!

Never noticed this smiley before :rolleyes:
:elephant:

Damn i cant wait for it to come :D Oh well i got Football Manager 2005 to keep me occupied until feb.

starmark2k
11-28-2004, 09:21 AM
why, why do i have to wait 3 months... i want to cry:(

beel2112
11-28-2004, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by starmark2k
why, why do i have to wait 3 months... i want to cry:(

No kidding. What's even worse (in a way) is that I do have an X-box, but I don't want to pay for the game twice because I must have it for the PC modding. I think it'd be easier if I simply couldn't play it, rather than knowing I could but am forcing myself to wait. I'm not expecting any sympathy, mind you. ;)

Hopefully my X-mas gifts of Halo 2, Half Life 2, and Pirates! (I still remember the original pirates! :D) will keep me occupied until Feb. '05. Of course, X-mas is still a (maddening) month away... :(

boinga1
11-28-2004, 02:52 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGG GGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

CURSE YOU, BILL GATES, FOR CREATING THE X-BOX! CURSE YOU, LUCASARTS, FOR MAKING KOTOR ON THE BOX FIRST! CURSE YOU, OBSIDIAN, FOR BEING UNABLE TO SPEED UP THE PC RELEASE! CURSE YOU ALSO, OBSIDIAN, FOR MAKING THE GAME SO DESIREABLE AND APPEALING! CURSES, CURSES, CURSES!AAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! !!!!!!!!!!




Holy crap!

jeez! Think of those people who are still using 800x600 res - this post was going waaaaaay out of the frame!

Cthik Xegony
11-28-2004, 04:13 PM
*Homer-esqe drool*

It's never felt so good to be an Xbox owner...

:D

GodVegeta1982
11-28-2004, 07:08 PM
LoL, 1 more week, just 1 more!

I cant wait, but atleast I dont have to wait til Feb. lol, but o well, guess Halo 2 and Ghost Recon 2 will hold me over til then, plus I can always get some serious sleep in cause god only know i'll need it when this game comes out next week!

RedHawke
11-28-2004, 07:18 PM
Since it's a new day and an appropriate reponse to the topic;

*Curses the XBox!* :fist:

Disclaimer: This in no way refers to XBox players... just the accursed little console by MS!

:D

Darth333
11-28-2004, 07:31 PM
Looks great! Can't wait!

* Darth333 verifies her xbox and seeing it remains unaffected by various curses, chants and other incantations, gets everything ready for next week* :D

FiEND_138
11-28-2004, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by boinga1
CURSE YOU, BILL GATES, FOR CREATING THE X-BOX! CURSE YOU, LUCASARTS, FOR MAKING KOTOR ON THE BOX FIRST! CURSE YOU, OBSIDIAN, FOR BEING UNABLE TO SPEED UP THE PC RELEASE! CURSE YOU ALSO, OBSIDIAN, FOR MAKING THE GAME SO DESIREABLE AND APPEALING! CURSES, CURSES, CURSES!
Yeah, that said everything I wanted to say myself....

:fist: XBox

starmark2k
11-29-2004, 12:18 AM
Originally posted by FiEND_138
Yeah, that said everything I wanted to say myself....

:fist: XBox

Agreed

GodVegeta1982
11-29-2004, 07:48 AM
Dont blame the XBOX, blame the PC for not getting it fast enough!

Cthik Xegony
11-29-2004, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by starmark2k
Agreed

I think im going to log on the seventh, post a giant post on how great it is..just to make you suffer!!!

oh yeah, that'll earn me some major dark side points..

starmark2k
11-29-2004, 12:01 PM
Originally posted by Cthik Xegony
I think im going to log on the seventh, post a giant post on how great it is..just to make you suffer!!!

oh yeah, that'll earn me some major dark side points..

You are evil, truely you are the dark lord of the sith.

All x-box consoles lead you down the dark path!

90SK
11-29-2004, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by GodVegeta1982
Dont blame the XBOX, blame the PC for not getting it fast enough!

:eyeraise: No. :p

Super find kookaburra! This game is seriously going to be one of the greats of all time. :D

Godzilla Master
11-29-2004, 01:14 PM
Stop being such babies. So Xbox gets it first and you hate it. Act like Your age not your shoe size.

GodVegeta1982
11-29-2004, 01:34 PM
what would happen if your age is your shoe size? huh? be lost for words then huh?

FiEND_138
11-29-2004, 01:50 PM
^^
:lol:

Again, resists the flame bait to the never ending port war.

:roleyess:

Godzilla Master
11-29-2004, 01:52 PM
I was just trying to point out that 2/3 of the threads here have Xbox bashing things in them by PC fanboys. Why can't you guys keep those comments to yourself?

Darth333
11-29-2004, 03:07 PM
@ Godzilla Master: Next time, contact a moderator when you have a problem with a thread or a post. We will deal with the situation accordingly. You can use either the PM system or the Report post button. Please do not transform every thread in a PC-xbox war.

kookaburra gave us an interesting review and now this thread has gone waaay off-topic. In fact there is no more topic...:rolleyes: It is annoying for a thread author to see his/her thread going off-topic. I'll leave it open and hope it will get back on topic. If I see one more of those xbox-pc comments, the thread will be locked...

FiEND_138
11-29-2004, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by Godzilla Master
Why can't you guys keep those comments to yourself?
The same thing could easily apply to you as well. You see people posting things you don't like, it's very simple to add someone to you're ignore list.

"...but it's the story thats the clincher. It doesn't have the spectacle or rip-roaring adventure of KOTOR, but what it lacks in dazzling planets and invention is more then compensated by the UNDENIABLY superior story"
Best part of the review, if I say so myself.

Now if they'd only mention something about the musical side of things. ;)

*EDIT* Sorry D333, you must have posted while I was typing.

90SK
11-29-2004, 03:21 PM
The mention to the story is very catching. Do you think the reviewers take plesure in tempting us with these tidbits?:D

Also, the fact that the DS is fully in power is very intruiging. Its going to be very interesting playing (or trying to play) LS.

Cthik Xegony
11-29-2004, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by CaptainSkye

Also, the fact that the DS is fully in power is very intruiging. Its going to be very interesting playing (or trying to play) LS. [/B]

At the LS ending of the game, it really is hard to imagine the galaxy deteriorating so quickly into chaos,

the Jedi and the republic won a major victory, the star forge and the bulk of the Sith fleet was destroyed, most of the powerful dark jedi were slain trying to defend malak, I just cant imagine how the republic lost all that ground in just 5 years

it will definately be interesting to see how they pull that off.

but perhaps this story was if Revan was darkside?

kookaburra
11-29-2004, 04:29 PM
Please keep this thread peaceful...please no xbox vs Pc thread....I have a gift of some magazine scans for you all!

see above for all the links to them

but please once again keep it peaceful!

FiEND_138
11-29-2004, 05:58 PM
^^
Neat!!!

Thanx for the pics.

mxsuprastang
11-30-2004, 02:44 AM
Sorry if someone has already said something about it, but I noticed this while drooling over the screens

possible spoiler screenshot (http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=693)

Is that Bastila in the lower right of the screen? Or just a good duplicate?:confused:


Edited by Darth333: Use spoiler tags when posting potential spoilers. This may just be speculation but this screenshot is "disturbing";) ...in case of doubt...

Devilsfanatic
11-30-2004, 05:40 AM
Originally posted by mxsuprastang
Sorry if someone has already said something about it, but I noticed this while drooling over the screens

possible spoiler (http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=693)

Is that Bastila in the lower right of the screen? Or just a good duplicate?:confused:

Yeah, that's a screeny I noticed from the magazine scan posted above, but the part where Bastila is there is cut out, but the other guy is definitely the old Lord Malak.....look at him, he's got the racing stipes on his head! Also, Bastila has a double edged yellow lightsabre.....boy am I intrigued!!!! WOW!!! :eek:

Spoiler tags added by d333

Darth333
11-30-2004, 06:01 AM
BTW, added some spoiler tags...if this is true then it is a major spoiler but it could also be an early development screenshot where they used "old stuff" from the first game...the robes are the same as in KotOR 1...edit: also, the Malak model is the "young" Malak from the Dantoine cutscene and not the jawless Malak

Devilsfanatic
11-30-2004, 06:06 AM
Originally posted by Darth333
BTW, added some spoiler tags...if this is true then it is a major spoiler but it could also be an early development screenshot where they used "old stuff" from the first game...the robes are the same as in KotOR 1.
Sorry Darth

*snickers*

Hannibal
11-30-2004, 08:37 AM
Originally posted by Darth333
* Darth333 verifies her xbox and seeing it remains unaffected by various curses, chants and other incantations, gets everything ready for next week* :D

Unable to recognize disc. :eek:

GodVegeta1982
11-30-2004, 08:44 AM
Man, I never really looked at that screen b4, your right, good find!

starmark2k
11-30-2004, 09:08 AM
I think those screens are just early tests so they used early models but i could be wrong.

FiEND_138
11-30-2004, 09:28 AM
^^
Agreed.

Especially with the already said model; jedi Malak

Cthik Xegony
11-30-2004, 09:48 AM
perhaps the screenshot is a..
flashback?

If your character was involved with Revan during the war, perhaps he knew them before Revan and Malak went into Mandalorian space?

if so, this could be a flashback of his adventures with them during the war, or possibly right before?

Darth333
11-30-2004, 09:52 AM
Originally posted by Cthik Xegony
perhaps the screenshot is a..
flashback?...

err...then what of Bastila?

PoM
11-30-2004, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by GodVegeta1982
what would happen if your age is your shoe size? huh? be lost for words then huh?

And what would happen if your shoe size is more than your age? We don't really want to know. * (http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=1704549#post1704549)

[i]* added by d333[i]


umm...Yeah, right... but why didn't it say it was edited by you?

Cthik Xegony
11-30-2004, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by Darth333
err...then what of Bastila?

well,

that does make my scenario much more unlikely, but we really have no idea how old bastila is, or generally how long it takes for a padawan to make jedi knight, but in my opinion Bastila is what, 25 in KOTOR?

so I say it's theoretically possible that before the war (about five years before KOTOR 1, which makes Bastila about 20, more than old enough to be out on her own a bit) perhaps Malak came to the place Bastila was training with her master, and assisted him before he fell to the darkside?

starmark2k
11-30-2004, 10:15 AM
^^
It is possible and...

We don't know who bastillias master was so for all we know it could have been revan or malak. anyway i'm quite sure that revan and malak did not know of the enclave on dantooine because of what saul said to you in the brig so i don't think it is a flash back and it is just a test.

GodVegeta1982
11-30-2004, 10:18 AM
Good point.

p.s. How do you do that spoiler thing?

FiEND_138
11-30-2004, 10:24 AM
^^
http://www.lucasforums.com/announcement.php?s=&forumid=575

Hannibal
11-30-2004, 10:31 AM
I don't know if you guys remember before KOTOR came out that they tested the game combat by using different characters. Non-jedi with lightsabers, etc. They mentioned it on the Bioware forums when someone got excited over seeing one of the NPCs (can't remember which) with a lightsaber.

Darth333 pointed out that the robes are from the original KOTOR so this could be an early testing and they chose young Malak and Bastila as characters to test things.

starmark2k
11-30-2004, 10:37 AM
^^
My point exactly. the fact both characters are wearing their default clothing rather than robes or armour make me feel its just a test even more.

GodVegeta1982
11-30-2004, 11:00 AM
o well, still cool to see either way!

Devilsfanatic
11-30-2004, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by Darth333
err...then what of Bastila?

Umm..........she was there too, you just don't know it.

You know, Im thinking about it, and the Malak seems to be the person they're fighting against and as the enemy it says Gariaga Sin. If Twi'leks, and Rodians can look alike, why can't humans have twins? If you ask me, that's a relative of Malak and he's the enemy.

GodVegeta1982
11-30-2004, 12:57 PM
true...

And maybe they find bastila on a planet being attack and she helps out?

Rat Boy
11-30-2004, 02:11 PM
I highly doubt OXM would drop that big of a spoiler in their screenshots, or that LEC and Obsidian would let them do it.

GodVegeta1982
11-30-2004, 05:26 PM
yeah, but you never know, maybe they thought no1 would notice, or maybe even by mistake it was put in?

Devilsfanatic
11-30-2004, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by Rat Boy
I highly doubt OXM would drop that big of a spoiler in their screenshots, or that LEC and Obsidian would let them do it.

Stop ruining our fun, or I'll be forced to use the force which I do not actually possess

kookaburra
12-02-2004, 02:42 AM
isnt the scans cool?:)