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El Sitherino
11-28-2004, 10:12 PM
http://www.news-miner.com/Stories/0,1413,113~7244~2553247,00.html

I dunno... girls got issues. Check out her live journal too. Some people are trying to say her disorders might have caused this, but I have some of the same disorders this little harlot supposedly has, and I have yet to get a single ill thought about my mother or father.

I personally hope she stays in jail for life and rots. The mom looked so kind :x

Seph
11-29-2004, 12:53 AM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
http://www.news-miner.com/Stories/0,1413,113~7244~2553247,00.html

I dunno... girls got issues. Check out her live journal too. Some people are trying to say her disorders might have caused this, but I have some of the same disorders this little harlot supposedly has, and I have yet to get a single ill thought about my mother or father.

I personally hope she stays in jail for life and rots. The mom looked so kind :x how could someone do that?! to their own mother!!

Boba Rhett
11-29-2004, 12:58 AM
Is this the girl who posted that she killed her mom on livejournal and did it with the help of some LJ buds?



"I told you I was hardcore." :indif:

Seph
11-29-2004, 01:02 AM
where's her live journal?

Leper Messiah
11-29-2004, 01:05 AM
thats awful :(

i feel really sorry for her dad

Boba Rhett
11-29-2004, 01:06 AM
Here (http://www.livejournal.com/users/smchyrocky/38606.html?thread=73934#t73934). Not much left of it and the comment area got hit by the Goonsquad from SA.

I'm fairly sure this is her from an LJ post.
http://img9.exs.cx/img9/3650/rachellewaterman.jpg

Seph
11-29-2004, 01:12 AM
she certainly seemed calm about her mom being murdered

Boba Rhett
11-29-2004, 01:15 AM
Twenty bucks says she's,

Current mood: Guilty of murder

Leper Messiah
11-29-2004, 01:15 AM
morbidly interesting to read back in that journal, heres a quote i found written some months back from the last entry


well I'm grounded, last ngiht my mom went psycho bitch on me and cast me out. So I went to crash at someone's house then she freaked uot, wanted me home incase I told someone. Wee for loving parental units

I even got to fly...down the stairs....

very strange girl, theres a couple of references to wicca in it as well and she frequently begins entrys with "well just to let you know im still alive" or sentances of that construction. im sure its all very interesting to psychologists

By Rhett
Current mood: Guilty of murder

indeed. she didnt have a current mood on that last etry did she, ah well thanks for filling in the blank

Leper Messiah
11-29-2004, 01:19 AM
hmmmm read down from the last entry the comments are a bit unfortunate to say the least about from one pretty smart guy who said
Suggestion: Monitor Zhane's journal closely from this point forward...Not that I anticpate anything...I'm just sayin'.

edit: finished reading the comments Jesus W Christ, thats what happens when you let internet people loose on a real issue

wait a minute...

El Sitherino
11-29-2004, 01:31 AM
Originally posted by Boba Rhett
I'm fairly sure this is her from an LJ post.
http://img9.exs.cx/img9/3650/rachellewaterman.jpg http://www.boomspeed.com/insanesith/omg_killit.jpg

.... yeah that's her. You see her boyfriends? one of em looks like milton from office space with down syndrome.

Seph
11-29-2004, 01:34 AM
*shudders* god now i gotta see

Darth Groovy
11-29-2004, 01:35 AM
I hate livejournal. :mad:

Leper Messiah
11-29-2004, 01:37 AM
Originally posted by Darth Groovy
I hate livejournal. :mad:

not really livejounals fault now is it?

but yes i hate it too

Astrotoy7
11-29-2004, 01:39 AM
bah ! kids suck...thats exactly why Im not havin em :p

*puts balls into glass cabinet*

mtfbwya

Leper Messiah
11-29-2004, 01:41 AM
Originally posted by Astrotoy7
bah ! kids suck...thats exactly why Im not havin em :p

*puts balls into glass cabinet*

mtfbwya

thats why? i always thought it was the contract you had with defence departments around the world (j/k)

continuing to read the journal, there are a few signs but you probably wouldnt guess what was gonna happen from it

Astrotoy7
11-29-2004, 01:53 AM
Originally posted by Leper Messiah
...continuing to read the journal, there are a few signs but you probably wouldnt guess what was gonna happen from it

I had a squiz at that.....I like reading the abusive replies that have been posted at her, silly bitch...

sheet, Im sure we've all been pissed at our parents. I used to get angry at my parents, I *still am* angry at my parents to this day(which is why I moved out of home 4 years ago), but I would never even contemplate something so ridiculous... and Lordy knows what she "payed" those blokes to do the deed :p

hope she gets the broomstick enema from the most butch faghag on her cell block ....

mtfbwya

Boba Rhett
11-29-2004, 01:56 AM
Do EMO kids have any idea as to how much entertainment they bestow upon the rest of the internet (http://www.reichnation.com/uploads/lj.gif)? :confused:

Darth Groovy
11-29-2004, 01:57 AM
Originally posted by Astrotoy7
bah ! kids suck...thats exactly why Im not havin em :p

*puts balls into glass cabinet*

mtfbwya

Best news you have told us all year!!!

http://www.themanipulation.com/thnx4theinfo.gif

JK BTW! :D

Sabretooth
11-29-2004, 02:18 AM
Samara Morgan...

*shivers*

Astrotoy7
11-29-2004, 02:25 AM
Originally posted by Darth Groovy
Best news you have told us all year!!!

http://www.themanipulation.com/thnx4theinfo.gif

JK BTW! :D

seriously, having lived through my stepkids, I have realised that I have the right combination of rage and lack of patience to make a terrible father. I am indeed doing the world a service in this repsect :p On the upside though, when all my friends are trying to stay sane day by day with their teen progeny, I will be in a hammock on hawaii... :D

mtfbwya

Evil Dark Jedi
11-29-2004, 12:49 PM
Who could do that? And to their own mother.

Mike Windu
11-29-2004, 01:40 PM
Who knew livejournal harbored killers!

O_o

*hides in his LJ corner*

>_>

<_<

not all LJ is drama. I use it to pester my friends who actually have one, and to record my successes :xp:

Acrylic
11-29-2004, 01:47 PM
Wow.

Just...wow.

That is horrible.

Dumb girl too, posting it on her LJ. If anyone had a chance to see what her entry said, post it on here...

kipperthefrog
11-29-2004, 02:30 PM
:confused: a girl slew her mother and posted a confesion on Live Jounal that she did it?

When you kill someone, you conceal it and lie about it to the grave, and hope the athorities beleive you!

No wonder she got cuaght.

BTW, gasoline is very dangerous, you should never leave YOUR van out where the body is, and do not take a chance starting forest fires.

her mother must have done somthing awful to deserve this too.

Mike Windu
11-29-2004, 02:33 PM
Oh yeah... being motherly... asking your kid to set the dinner table... keeping them in school...

I'm sure that's AWFUL.




kids these days..

Leper Messiah
11-29-2004, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by kipperthefrog
:confused: a girl slew her mother and posted a confesion on Live Jounal that she did it?

When you kill someone, you conceal it and lie about it to the grave, and hope the athorities beleive you!

No wonder she got cuaght.

BTW, gasoline is very dangerous, you should never leave YOUR van out where the body is, and do not take a chance starting forest fires.

her mother must have done somthing awful to deserve this too.

well i dunno, the girl seems to suggest a bit further back in the journal that her mother threw her down some stairs.

she didnt exactly admit doin it in the journal

edit: i should make clear i have NO sympathy for this idiot

Mike Windu
11-29-2004, 02:46 PM
I don't think domestic violence justifies murder.

Shoulda got help.

:dozey:

Elijah
11-29-2004, 06:15 PM
Im so tired of Kids who complain constantly because their parents dont want them to make mistakes...

"YEA, MY MOMS SUCH A BITCH! SHE WONT LET ME SLEEP OVER AT MY BOYFRIENDS HOUSE!"

"YOU MY MOM IS SO DUMB! SHE FOUND OUT I WAS SNEAKING OUT OF THE HOUSE TO GO SMOKE WEED AND SHE GROUNDED ME AND TOOK AWAY MY SPIKE COLLARS"

I grew up in a home were my father did not want me to make ANY of the mistakes he did, which ment I couldnt have a Girl friend, I could hardly EVERY stay the night at friends, I couldnt hang out with people he didnt know, I could drive with people under wht ever age, and so on. And you know what? my dad did the right thing, sure it pissed me off, but Im a PEREFECTLY sane person and I am a VERY stable person, Im often the ones to tell my friends to get a grip and realize life goes on.

This girl is a idiot. Rhett, I know Emo, kids, she isnt Emo, shes an IDIOTIC girl who thinks wearing some spikes and shopping at hot topic makes her "hardcore"

And if her mom did push her down the stairs, she was a good sized girl, she could have fought back if it was that bad, but murder was NOT justified for her punkass additude.

Mike Windu
11-29-2004, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by Elijah
Im so tired of Kids who complain constantly because their parents dont want them to make mistakes...

"YEA, MY MOMS SUCH A BITCH! SHE WONT LET ME SLEEP OVER AT MY BOYFRIENDS HOUSE!"

"YOU MY MOM IS SO DUMB! SHE FOUND OUT I WAS SNEAKING OUT OF THE HOUSE TO GO SMOKE WEED AND SHE GROUNDED ME AND TOOK AWAY MY SPIKE COLLARS"

I grew up in a home were my father did not want me to make ANY of the mistakes he did, which ment I couldnt have a Girl friend, I could hardly EVERY stay the night at friends, I couldnt hang out with people he didnt know, I could drive with people under wht ever age, and so on. And you know what? my dad did the right thing, sure it pissed me off, but Im a PEREFECTLY sane person and I am a VERY stable person, Im often the ones to tell my friends to get a grip and realize life goes on.

This girl is a idiot. Rhett, I know Emo, kids, she isnt Emo, shes an IDIOTIC girl who thinks wearing some spikes and shopping at hot topic makes her "hardcore"

And if her mom did push her down the stairs, she was a good sized girl, she could have fought back if it was that bad, but murder was NOT justified for her punkass additude.

Lovely more elaborate form of what I said :p

It's stupid how kids these days are all pissy because their parents are trying to be good parents and keep them out of trouble. I mean I was mad at my parents, but not for the logical things they kept me away from, drugs, girls(yes astro), etc. The only stupid thing I think they've tried to do to protect me is keep me away from gun games. @.@

I once asked my father why I could play Shadows of the empire but not Goldeneye. He told me that it was lasers, not real bullets.

I couldn't even play frickin Army Men games... 8|

/random

Anyway: lesson to all the angst ridden kids out there: your parents aren't trying to keep you down cause they can, it's cause they love you, idiot.

Moral 2: Domestic violence in NO way, condones murder.

Moral 3: Don't post about killing your mother on LJ for all your little internet pals to think you're hardcore.

I think that covers it :p

ET Warrior
11-29-2004, 07:10 PM
Yeah.......that girl is ridiculous.

I personally don't think murder is ever justifiable, and killing your own mother is damn cold.


But for everyone talking about how extremely strict parents are a good thing.....yeah.

I agree, they have the best intent for it, but oftentimes being way too strict is a VERY bad thing. I know many a friend whose parents were super strict about things, and once they got to college / out of the house they just went NUTS.

Example. A girl I know who wasn't even allowed to date when she was a senior in high school. She could sort of, but she wasn't allowed to spend time with a guy more than once a week.

Got to college and turned into a total sex fiend. Sleeps with anyone and everyone.

So in the end, parents exercising control over children is a good thing. But being ridiculous about it is not a good thing.

/rant.

El Sitherino
11-29-2004, 07:16 PM
the thing is the mom was no different than the average mother. You can tell this girl exaggerated a lot of what her mother "did". Point is, the girl knew what she did was wrong and she had no reason to kill her mom.

Murder is never justified because it's killing in cold blood for no purpose other than to destroy.

I have to agree with ZDawg on this. I hope the little harlot rots in jail.

Mike Windu
11-29-2004, 07:46 PM
Is she old enough for jail?

I can't get to her livejournal to read all that crap. >.<

Sam Fisher
12-01-2004, 07:02 PM
The things idiots do these days... :(

Guardian Omega
12-01-2004, 07:30 PM
Whoa, that's ****ed up.........

STTCT
12-01-2004, 07:51 PM
Sounds like she had some real problems, it's a shame that she couldn't just run-away instead of killing her own mother. Sad world we live in :(

Leper Messiah
12-02-2004, 02:37 AM
Originally posted by STTCT
Sounds like she had some real problems, it's a shame that she couldn't just run-away instead of killing her own mother. Sad world we live in :(

well, i dont think her problems were that big to be honest, what i read of hr journal was full of stuff that sounded very unlikely

kipperthefrog
12-02-2004, 05:11 AM
To tell you the truth, if her mother threw her down thestairs and would't let her spend the night at a boyfriend's house and ave a social life and stuff,

...mabie her mother deserved it.

Sam Fisher
12-02-2004, 06:47 AM
Al least she could have called some protective services if he mom was that bad.

Leper Messiah
12-02-2004, 07:04 AM
Originally posted by kipperthefrog
To tell you the truth, if her mother threw her down thestairs and would't let her spend the night at a boyfriend's house and ave a social life and stuff,

...mabie her mother deserved it.

i think murder because she wasnt allowed to stay over at her boyfriends is a tad severe. She evidently had a social lie of some sort so that doesnt stand up as a reason, her social life might have been bad but thats down to her. and as for the claim about being thrown down the stairs, show me the actual evidence

kipperthefrog
12-02-2004, 08:04 AM
Originally posted by Leper Messiah
i think murder because she wasnt allowed to stay over at her boyfriends is a tad severe. She evidently had a social lie of some sort so that doesnt stand up as a reason, her social life might have been bad but thats down to her. and as for the claim about being thrown down the stairs, show me the actual evidence

She wasn't allowed to stay at her boyfriend's house or have much of a social life. Too much control. The girl's spiritual, emotional needs were not being met. you got to allow some freedom.

one guy posted a story about some girl were not allowed to date boys in high school made it to colledge (and out of the house) turned into a sex feind. slept with everyone and everything.They get the freedom they never had and they go nuts.

how will kids learn to grow if we don't let them out? If we don't trust our childeren how will they grow to be trustworthy? the mom was wrong to control her kids like that.

El Sitherino
12-02-2004, 09:30 AM
Originally posted by kipperthefrog
the mom was wrong to control her kids like that. incase you couldn't tell, that girl was grossly exaggerating the situation. So she didn't get to stay over at her 24 year old boyfriends house. No parent in their right mind would allow that. I've had situations like that, but I now see my parents were right in not letting me go, a lot of people were arrested that night for all kinds of crap. The stuff that girl wrote was your typical teenage angst filled over-dramatic exaggeration. It's typical for a teen to exaggerate like that though because it helps them justify their "rebellion". She was a classic case of an overdramatic, overangsted, hormonal ball of rage teen.

She was just too stupid to see the big picture, llike many teens she only saw the here and the now.

kipperthefrog
12-02-2004, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
incase you couldn't tell, that girl was grossly exaggerating the situation. So she didn't get to stay over at her 24 year old boyfriends house. No parent in their right mind would allow that.

How old was she? 17? 24-17=7 year age difference. by the time the girl is 70 he will be 77, not that big age difference. Just becuase she is below the "oficial" 18 year old mark doesn't mean she isn't capable of sound judgement. if she were allowed more freedom, she might have made the right choices. but seeing her freinds out having fun and believing she should too must have drove her mad.

I admit, killing her was a bit extreme, but you have to admit that the "mommy" rules were too airtight to breathe. Maybie the mother didn't handle it right. I would understand if the 24 year old guy were a creepy goth punk.

Originally posted by InsaneSith
I've had situations like that, but I now see my parents were right in not letting me go, a lot of people were arrested that night for all kinds of crap.


What kind of party were you going to? If you had gone, you could have left if you saw them doing something illeagal.

Originally posted by InsaneSith The stuff that girl wrote was your typical teenage angst filled over-dramatic exaggeration. It's typical for a teen to exaggerate like that though because it helps them justify their "rebellion". She was a classic case of an overdramatic, overangsted, hormonal ball of rage teen.

She was just too stupid to see the big picture, llike many teens she only saw the here and the now.

I was never like that when I was a teen. Not all teens are stupid. when I was a teen I studies and planned for the future.

EDIT: All i'm saying is the mom could have contributed to this too. there are drunk child abusers. for all we know she was one of them.

El Sitherino
12-02-2004, 02:03 PM
I said typical teen.

she is 16.

I highly doubt she had such overbearing restrictive parents that wouldn't let her do anything. Infact after a so cited argument the girl talked about how her mother tried to apologize but she wouldn't accept her mothers apology.

I never said anything that said you were stupid. I said typical teens, as in most, but not all.

Shok_Tinoktin
12-02-2004, 02:26 PM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
So she didn't get to stay over at her 24 year old boyfriends house. No parent in their right mind would allow that.

Quoted for emphasis.

Unless the girl was in immediate danger, there is no case for "the mother had it coming". The only thing that I've seen that may have been wrong on the part of the mother, was pushing the girl down the stairs. If it happened. Just because the girl said it happened, doesnt mean it did. Regardless, there are a lot better ways to deal with that.

El Sitherino
12-02-2004, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by Shok_Tinoktin
Quoted for emphasis.

Unless the girl was in immediate danger, there is no case for "the mother had it coming". The only thing that I've seen that may have been wrong on the part of the mother, was pushing the girl down the stairs. If it happened. Just because the girl said it happened, doesnt mean it did. Regardless, there are a lot better ways to deal with that. that's what I was saying. :)

kipperthefrog
12-03-2004, 12:36 AM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
I said typical teen.

she is 16.

I highly doubt she had such overbearing restrictive parents that wouldn't let her do anything. Infact after a so cited argument the girl talked about how her mother tried to apologize but she wouldn't accept her mothers apology.


I didn't get to read the LJ post. could you post some things she said? Thanks.

Leper Messiah
12-03-2004, 03:39 AM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
So she didn't get to stay over at her 24 year old boyfriends house. No parent in their right mind would allow that.

too bloody right i would never allow a 16 year old daughter to do that.

By kipperthefrog
She wasn't allowed to stay at her boyfriend's house or have much of a social life. Too much control. The girl's spiritual, emotional needs were not being met.


so therefore the mother dies??!! im sorry but theres something deeply wrong with this girl, theres no way what she did was rational or acceptable. Make her ride the lightning.




I dont really think they should execute her (they can't anyway can they?) but a nice long bit of porridge should be given to her.

Astrotoy7
12-03-2004, 04:17 AM
she was 16. If she couldnt stand living at home, she couldve gotten her fat ass a job, and moved out of home......

mtfbwya

El Sitherino
12-03-2004, 05:14 AM
Originally posted by Astrotoy7
she was 16. If she couldnt stand living at home, she couldve gotten her fat ass a job, and moved out of home......

mtfbwya ex-****ing-actly!

I hope the harlot rots in jail.

Elijah
12-03-2004, 05:54 AM
Originally posted by kipperthefrog
How old was she? 17? 24-17=7 year age difference. by the time the girl is 70 he will be 77, not that big age difference. Just becuase she is below the "oficial" 18 year old mark doesn't mean she isn't capable of sound judgement. if she were allowed more freedom, she might have made the right choices. but seeing her freinds out having fun and believing she should too must have drove her mad. Are you blind? Look around you, the highest pregnancy rate, is teens, the highest STD rate is teens, the Highest drug use, and abuse, is teens, nearly every substance that can be abused, is abused by teens, and you some how think that her mother should have trusted her, even with the attitude she had? And out of love for her daughter, and not wanting her to become part of those statistics, she was a bad mother?


I admit, killing her was a bit extreme, but you have to admit that the "mommy" rules were too airtight to breathe. Maybie the mother didn't handle it right. I would understand if the 24 year old guy were a creepy goth punk.The POINT of my other post was NO, they were NOT to airtight, they were not that unreasonable, MANY parents don’t want their daughters sleeping with their boyfriends, that is in NO WAY a strange thing to ask of your kids. The girl has her own rebellious problems and proved it by killing her mother, if she was the trust worth child you speak of, needless as to what her parents did, she would have respected them. My parents were strict, stricter than this girls mother, and I give EVERY bit of respect to them, because I AM who I AM because of it, and I thank them for that.


What kind of party were you going to? If you had gone, you could have left if you saw them doing something illeagal.Do you know how many teens I know will the balls to do that? When all their friends are doing something, and they just leave? yea about 2, besides myself, and I know a lot of people.

I was never like that when I was a teen. Not all teens are stupid. when I was a teen I studies and planned for the future.Some how I believe your not telling the truth, because your obvious blindness for this generation is apparent.


EDIT: All i'm saying is the mom could have contributed to this too. there are drunk child abusers. for all we know she was one of them. and for all we know, she was an amazing woman who had her life stolen by an ungrateful little punk ass girl.

SeleneRayne
12-03-2004, 08:08 AM
This is just horrible. Her mother...her own mother. :(

My mother didn't let me stay with Kain until I was of age and I had some type of protection. Only because she LOVES and wants nothing harmful to happen to me. That was obviously what the mother was trying to do for her child. She cared for her and for what, to die by her own hand. Truly a sad thing to happen. :(

Leper Messiah
12-03-2004, 08:45 AM
Originally posted by SeleneRayne
This is just horrible. Her mother...her own mother. :(

My mother didn't let me stay with Kain until I was of age and I had some type of protection. Only because she LOVES and wants nothing harmful to happen to me. That was obviously what the mother was trying to do for her child. She cared for her and for what, to die by her own hand. Truly a sad thing to happen. :(

Well, you are of course correct

there are circumstances however when going up against your parents is justified, maybe even up to the level of murder but i personally cant imagine the circumstances myself. but this most certainly was not such a case

El Sitherino
12-03-2004, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by Leper Messiah
Well, you are of course correct

there are circumstances however when going up against your parents is justified, maybe even up to the level of murder but i personally cant imagine the circumstances myself. but this most certainly was not such a case murder isn't justifiable. Because murder is killing for the sheer joy of killing. Killing via self-defense is fine though. Sorry, just had to correct your words.


Precisely at ZDawg and his talk of she was a good mother that had her life taken by an ingrateful little child/prick.

kipperthefrog
12-04-2004, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by Elijah
Are you blind? Look around you, the highest pregnancy rate, is teens, the highest STD rate is teens, the Highest drug use, and abuse, is teens, nearly every substance that can be abused, is abused by teens, and you some how think that her mother should have trusted her, even with the attitude she had? And out of love for her daughter, and not wanting her to become part of those statistics, she was a bad mother?


The POINT of my other post was NO, they were NOT to airtight, they were not that unreasonable, MANY parents don’t want their daughters sleeping with their boyfriends, that is in NO WAY a strange thing to ask of your kids. The girl has her own rebellious problems and proved it by killing her mother, if she was the trust worth child you speak of, needless as to what her parents did, she would have respected them. My parents were strict, stricter than this girls mother, and I give EVERY bit of respect to them, because I AM who I AM because of it, and I thank them for that.


Just becuase she went to a party with a boy don't mean she will SLEEP with him.

Originally posted by Elijah

Some how I believe your not telling the truth, because your obvious blindness for this generation is apparent.

since i can't prove it though the forums, you have to take my word for it. (I didn't even get a girl, I din't even get a single freak'n DATE! girls din't like me.That is probably why I din't even come close to sleeping with anybody.) My high school had thousands of teens and I only saw ONE who got pregnant. some high pregnancy.

Originally posted by Elijah
and for all we know, she was an amazing woman who had her life stolen by an ungrateful little punk ass girl.

That is just an assumption. Never assume.

"ASSUME" makes an "ASS" out of "U" and "ME".
(my favorite quote from Spider Al)

Mike Windu
12-04-2004, 05:21 PM
"ASSUME" makes an "ASS" out of "U" and "ME".
(my favorite quote from Spider Al)

Just becuase she went to a party with a boy don't mean she will SLEEP with him.

:dozey:

Parent's don't know that their kid will or will not sleep with another person. Best they can do is restrict it.

You say you only saw one who got pregnant. Does that make it any better for parents to know that their daughters are whoring themselves out, but only one unlucky kid just happened to get pregnant.

8|

Leper Messiah
12-04-2004, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
murder isn't justifiable. Because murder is killing for the sheer joy of killing. Killing via self-defense is fine though. Sorry, just had to correct your words.


murder is for the sheer joy of killing? only in your opinion, there can be good reasons for murder. My ex girlfriend for instance has a damn good reason to kill her mother, and if she ever did so i'd see nothing wrong with it (annoyingly since i cant go into the reasons, that example isnt as strong as id like it to be)

Mike Windu
12-04-2004, 05:39 PM
Through that "good reason" (which I find unlikely, I might add) you become happy that you killed someone. This euphoria hides the truth from your eyes. You don't really realize the circumstances of your decision till after it sinks in that you have taken another's life.

Leper Messiah
12-04-2004, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by Mike Windu
Through that "good reason" (which I find unlikely, I might add) you become happy that you killed someone. This euphoria hides the truth from your eyes. You don't really realize the circumstances of your decision till after it sinks in that you have taken another's life.

She wouldnt be happy if she did it, it would make her feel worse. but, in comparison to what has happened to her, no death that she could inflict on her mother would come close to the pain that her mother inflicted on her, she would never be happy if she did it, and i can only fathom that to be the only reason she has not only not done it, but attempted no harm on her mother in any way

kipperthefrog
12-04-2004, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by Mike Windu
:dozey:

Parent's don't know that their kid will or will not sleep with another person. Best they can do is restrict it.

You say you only saw one who got pregnant. Does that make it any better for parents to know that their daughters are whoring themselves out, but only one unlucky kid just happened to get pregnant.

8|
So you just keep kids locked up in their rooms in fear of premature intercourse?

Leper Messiah
12-04-2004, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by kipperthefrog
So you just keep kids locked up in their rooms in fear of premature intercourse?

she wasnt that extreme - for one thing the very fact the girl had a boyfriend at all shows her mother allowed her a social life. no i just think the mother showed due care and attention to her child and got killed for it. very tragic in my view.

kipperthefrog
12-04-2004, 06:31 PM
Originally posted by Leper Messiah
she wasnt that extreme - for one thing the very fact the girl had a boyfriend at all shows her mother allowed her a social life.

She still could have had a boyfriend in school when she is not at home where her mother can't keep them away. although being 24 and still in school, you'd have to have been get held back an awful lot.

Leper Messiah
12-04-2004, 06:34 PM
Originally posted by kipperthefrog
She still could have had a boyfriend in school when she is not at home where her mother can't keep them away. although being 24 and still in school, you'd have to have been get held back an awful lot.

as far as im aware, her mother didnt allow her to sleep over at his house, and if i were a parent id make exactly the same choice as well. But nowhere did i find anything that said she was forbidden to have this boyfriend at all but even if she was its not unreasonable for a parent to be concerned about a relationship between their 16 year old daughter and a 24 year old man

Shok_Tinoktin
12-04-2004, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by Leper Messiah
murder is for the sheer joy of killing?

I think you miss IS's point (correct me if I missed the point). I think he means that murder is by definition not justifiable. Killing is not synonymous with murder. If I'm not mistaken, murder is defined only by the legal definition of what it means to committ a murder. Killing in self-defense for example, is not a murder.

El Sitherino
12-04-2004, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by Shok_Tinoktin
I think you miss IS's point (correct me if I missed the point). I think he means that murder is by definition not justifiable. Killing is not synonymous with murder. If I'm not mistaken, murder is defined only by the legal definition of what it means to committ a murder. Killing in self-defense for example, is not a murder. precisely.

and no, all the mother did was forbid the little slut from staying the night at her boyfriends house. The girl herself emphasized that point in her livejournal.

Leper Messiah
12-05-2004, 02:44 AM
Originally posted by Shok_Tinoktin
I think you miss IS's point (correct me if I missed the point). I think he means that murder is by definition not justifiable. Killing is not synonymous with murder. If I'm not mistaken, murder is defined only by the legal definition of what it means to committ a murder. Killing in self-defense for example, is not a murder.

well i maintain there are circumstances in my view where murder could be understood at the very least.

kipperthefrog
12-05-2004, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by Leper Messiah
as far as im aware, her mother didnt allow her to sleep over at his house, and if i were a parent id make exactly the same choice as well. But nowhere did i find anything that said she was forbidden to have this boyfriend at all but even if she was its not unreasonable for a parent to be concerned about a relationship between their 16 year old daughter and a 24 year old man

maybie the mother didn't know she HAD that boyfriend.

Leper Messiah
12-05-2004, 11:09 AM
Originally posted by kipperthefrog
maybie the mother didn't know she HAD that boyfriend.

she did, thats why she wouldnt let her stay over at his house. I read quite a way back in the journal before it was taken down, and it gave no suggestion she was concealing her relationship. There was just no justification in this case for murder, none at all. The girl deserves to be properly punished for the crime she committed, there are no mitigating circumstances here

kipperthefrog
12-05-2004, 12:21 PM
since you know more about this than I do, I suppose you have the better viewpoint. those are good points you made. thanks.

Leper Messiah
12-05-2004, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by kipperthefrog
since you know more about this than I do, I suppose you have the better viewpoint. those are good points you made. thanks.

well i dont claim to know everything about the girl, i just had the benefit of reading some of the journal. Oftentimes she seemed very aware she was writing for an audience so anything she says can be taken with a pinch of salt. you may be right after all - its not inconcievable that the mother did abuse her in some way, but based on the little i have seen i deem it unlikely and the crime was unwarrented.

Elijah
12-05-2004, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by kipperthefrog
Just becuase she went to a party with a boy don't mean she will SLEEP with him. A party is the best enviroment for peer pressure to work at its greatest. Do not be so blind.

since i can't prove it though the forums, you have to take my word for it. (I didn't even get a girl, I din't even get a single freak'n DATE! girls din't like me.That is probably why I din't even come close to sleeping with anybody.) My high school had thousands of teens and I only saw ONE who got pregnant. some high pregnancy. You do realize that 90% of all girls who become pregnant while still in school are either asked to leave school or are taken out by parents? Never assume, it makes an ass out of both of us.


That is just an assumption. Never assume.

"ASSUME" makes an "ASS" out of "U" and "ME".
(my favorite quote from Spider Al) *cough hyporcite cough*
Good job assuming her mother was such a bad person who deserved to be murdered.