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SirPantsAlot
02-06-2005, 08:24 AM
Aren't they all supposed to be clones of boba fett? I can understand that they'd have different characters, but different voices?

El Sitherino
02-06-2005, 08:31 AM
They're clones of Jango Fett.

Voice is not a genetic thing, but more of a geographical thing. Best explanation I can pull out of my ass would be that they were grown in different kind of enviorments, causing different pitches in their voices. Where as I suppose the normal clones all grew up in a Jango Fett kinda enviroment, so they sound like him. Kind of like how people will get an accent depending on where they are, who they're around.

ZBomber
02-06-2005, 09:15 AM
Well, they wanted to add a little charecter to the clones, I'd imagine.

But for a techincal reason, like Sithy said, they probably just grew up in different areas, so they have different dialects.

Joetheeskimo
02-06-2005, 10:06 AM
No, I don't think so, ET. In a quote from Hard Contact (the book tie-in to RC), Jango tells his commando trainers that they will have everything they want except for freedom. They are kept on Kamino, and their families beleive them dead. The only times the clones are away from Kamino are during mission,s and I don't think they remain long enough to develop accents.

So, yes, PantsAlot, you're right. But as Zbomb said, the game wouldn't be much fun if the cloens didn't have personality, which is what their voice gives them. I myself have grown to develop "friendships" with my squad mates in the demo based on their personality :D

ZBomber
02-06-2005, 10:22 AM
Well, they are all on Kamino, but maybe they have different training sections, where the instructors have accents?

I dunno, maybe there is no "techincal reason". :)

El Sitherino
02-06-2005, 10:24 AM
Originally posted by joetheeskimo5
No, I don't think so, ET. In a quote from Hard Contact (the book tie-in to RC), Jango tells his commando trainers that they will have everything they want except for freedom. They are kept on Kamino, and their families beleive them dead. The only times the clones are away from Kamino are during mission,s and I don't think they remain long enough to develop accents. Just because they're kept on Kamino doesn't mean they don't have them in different enviroments. An enviroment is just the surroundings that create your habitat. They could have particular clones that are created for certain jobs kept in different style enviroments within the lab.

eastcoast2895
02-06-2005, 02:43 PM
i think a way we could use the book for an explanation on different voices is that the squad is made up of commandos who lost their squadmates, like in the book, and each commando had a different teacher which caused the different accents.
after playing jedi academy were no matter the specie chosen the same voice was used, the different voices don't bother me that much even if there is no explanation.

Ch1cago88
02-06-2005, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by SirPantsAlot
Aren't they all supposed to be clones of boba fett? I can understand that they'd have different characters, but different voices?

I think no one really cares.

Boba Rhett
02-06-2005, 07:01 PM
Maybe some of them have just been kicked in the testicles one too many times.

coupes.
02-06-2005, 07:10 PM
I think it's standard Republic procedure.

Kurgan
02-07-2005, 01:22 AM
Originally posted by SirPantsAlot
Aren't they all supposed to be clones of boba fett? I can understand that they'd have different characters, but different voices?

Out of Universe:

1) Apparently when Lucas made ANH he hadn't planned to make the Stormtroopers clones. Apparently this idea didn't come out until the 80's but it was forgotten until AOTC. Hence the Stormies have different heights and voices in the classic trilogy. And despite his having the technology back then (and now) to "fix" it, he hasn't. Even on the new DVD's this is so. And just so you know, in the EU (created prior to AOTC's revelation in 2002), the Stormtroopers were not shown to be or thought of as being clones. A few short years after ROTJ, the Rebels were "shocked" to see Thrawn's army using clones, which was regarded as "lost" and "banned" tech, "left over from the clone wars."

During the Battle of Endor even, Stormtroopers were unmasked, and apparently they weren't shocked then by what they saw. Also in the EU there's characters who were "former Stormtroopers," etc and they aren't recognized as being clones. So retcons have been created, but I'm not sure exactly what they are. I am guessing they went with the "multiple clone templates other than Jango" explanation. Other explanations are that they started conscripting/taking enlisted guys after awhile, and either stopped using clones, changed cloning techniques (to explain the different techniques and time for growth in the EU vs. AOTC) and/or got different groups to clone batches for them.

2) In the game, it's easier to tell who's talking if they have different voices.

3) The developers wanted to differentiate the characters more to make them more interesting (the same way the four identical Turtles in TMNT are given all kinds of subtle differences to make them stand out from each other, or why they make Ken and Ryu different in the Street Fighter games).

In Universe:

1) Bunch of (BS) about how they are "experimental" clones who have different personalities and such, so this further differentiates them.

2) Accents aren't genetic, but culturally conditioned. Jango Fett had the accent, but his "son" didn't. Jango died when Boba was very young.

So Lucas had no reason to change Boba Fett's voice in ESB, because there's no reason he'd suddenly have Jango's accent. You could of course make up some story like he was so obsessed with taking on his late father's legacy that he practiced with tapes of his dad's voice to the point where he could imitate it exactly and did so for the rest of his adult life.

El Sitherino
02-07-2005, 06:26 AM
Or in the end we could all just say "who cares, it's star wars"

Rogue Nine
02-07-2005, 06:31 AM
:wstupid:

ZBomber
02-07-2005, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
Or in the end we could all just say "who cares, it's star wars"

Sithy with the save. :)

TK-8252
02-07-2005, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by Kurgan
During the Battle of Endor even, Stormtroopers were unmasked, and apparently they weren't shocked then by what they saw.

We saw unmasked Stormtroopers at the very beginning and all throughout ANH. The black-uniformed officers with insignia are Stormtrooper Officers in non-combat dress.

ZBomber
02-07-2005, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by TK-8252
We saw unmasked Stormtroopers at the very beginning and all throughout ANH. The black-uniformed officers with insignia are Stormtrooper Officers in non-combat dress.

I thought officers were a step higher than the footmen Stormtroopers?

lukeiamyourdad
02-07-2005, 01:37 PM
They are. It means that in combat they wear a standard uniform.

Look in RotJ when the Scout Trooper "captures" Leia. His squadmate refers to him as an officer or someone of higher rank. He could be a Scout Trooper officer.

Also, a lot of Navy troopers, officers and pilots don't wear a mask and they are obviously not clones.

Kurgan
02-07-2005, 09:50 PM
Originally posted by ZBomber
I thought officers were a step higher than the footmen Stormtroopers?


Here and I thought that the Officer corps were seperate from the Stormtroopers. Ie: we have a seperate group commanding the Troopers in armor.

But you're saying that, canonically, those are what Stormtroopers look like outside the armor?

Ha! Then explain that one Lucas... none of those guys look alike, or bear any resemblance to Temura Morrison.
; )


Or is this some Pre-AOTC EU thing? Because in the EU it was also said that the Imperial Red Guards were "taken from the Stormtrooper ranks" (contradicted by AOTC, since we see the Red Guards in Palpy's office, BEFORE the Clones are brought from Kamino, in full view of the Jedi and everyone).

Incidentally, the Officers might still be clones, we just have no way of proving that, unless we run into the twin of some officer... but by that logic anyone in the Star Wars movies could be a clone, so it gets us nowhere fast.

It's true in the movies we sometimes see Stormtroopers commanded by non-armored "officers" other times we see them commanded by other Stormtroopers.

And we also see the so-called "Naval Troopers" with their funky black helmets (similar to the Rebel commando helmets, only black) and black uniforms.

We could say, sure, you have a squad of clones in their usual armor, and then a non-clone officer puts on some armor and joins them on a mission. Okay.

But then they had a ranking system with the Clone Troopers in AOTC as well. And the only non-trooper armor types we saw commanding them were Jedi Knights.

Then again, in the animated Clone Wars series (C-Level canon, we'll have to see if ROTS contradicts this in any way) we have Jedi donning the armor as well, while going with the squad on a mission...


But I hesitate to call a non-clone who dons the armor for a special occasion (rather than wearing it all the time like the clones) a "Stormtrooper."

PS: Are the "TIE Pilots" supposed to be Stormtroopers? In AOTC they had special "clone pilots".... Or are they just guys wearing space suites for using a fighter?

swphreak
02-08-2005, 05:58 AM
Um... pilots are pilots... trained at the Naval Academy... Han Solo anyone? :D

As for the stormtroopers being clones... I'm sure by ANH, the clones would be getting pretty old due to growth acceleration. also, where is Kamino in the OT? Did it get destroyed in between?

As for Royal Guardsmen, perhaps they were specially trained on Yinchorr? And once they started getting stormtroopers, take the best ones and train them.

It's people that think too much and focus on contradictions and "abc-canon" crap that ruin it for themselves and others instead of just freaking enjoying the damn stories.

El Sitherino
02-08-2005, 06:38 AM
Indeed, enough of the over-analyzing.

It's Star Wars, it's a space fantasy, none of that thinking such is to be done while viewing. :p

Revan Solo
02-08-2005, 06:40 AM
George Lucas allowed the guys from Lucasarts to add nicknames and feelings to the clones.

adillon
02-08-2005, 10:06 AM
i don't know if this adds or detracts from the conversation, but upon reading each squad member's description on the official site, there are some interesting details ...

DELTA THREE-EIGHT
Despite being trained by Walon Vau, Three-Eight somehow inherited Jango's strong Concord Dawn accent and speech patterns.

DELTA FOUR-OH
Four-Oh was a favorite of the borderline sociopathic Vau - as they shared a common obssession with tech and tactics.

DELTA OH-SEVEN
Other members of the squad suspect that someone spiked his cloning vat.

DELTA SIX-TWO
'Scorch' earned his nickname after an ordnance accident that left him and Sergeant Walon Vau without eyebrows for a short time.

so, it seems that this walon vau fella plays a significant role in the training of the RCs, and it seems he does not have the same voice/accent as jango. can we assume vau is also a clone?

i doubt the cloning process is a one-and-done thing. i'd be willing to bet they 'special order' what each batch will be used for, and can tweak various aspects to allow the clones to excel in their predetermined jobs. it does take away somewhat from the 'canon' of the movies where each clone does sound similar, but how else could we easily determine who's who? it's a game afterall, it doesn't bother me THAT much.

Drax Kreiger
02-08-2005, 10:21 AM
Ill try to keep this from gettng religious or anything, but dont forget, just because they are "clones" doesnt mean that they have the same personality. With cloning, its more like a genetic blueprint. I think its kinda like having a twin; they may look the same, but yall can have different personalities. Its like what they said in the Designer's notes: Theres a factor of the Human gene called "Factor H" that makes humans different from one another. Almost like a "soul". Again, my apologies to anyone offened by this.

Alegis
02-08-2005, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by joetheeskimo5
They are kept on Kamino, and their families beleive them dead. The only times the clones are away from Kamino are during mission,s and I don't think they remain long enough to develop accents
What do you mean, "their families believe them dead". They're clones right? Unless Lama Su & co run an adoption center...

swphreak
02-08-2005, 02:20 PM
The Commandos' trainers were the ones that never left Kamino. Clone troopers are all over the galaxy ;)

Doomie
02-09-2005, 08:16 AM
Y'know, i remember reading somewhere that the kaminoans didn't like the regular clone troopers for some reason that I forgot, and proceeded to create the Clone Commandos. They were created a bit different from the other clones. Clearly different enough to allow them to develop their own personalities. Maybe that caused the different voices too.

(About Boss, it's pretty clear that somehow the voice got cloned with him too. But we've also got stuff like 'genetic memory', so meh.)

where is Kamino in the OT? Did it get destroyed in between?


I think it only became less interesting.

Though the Emperor could use it to double his army in no time.

And then it'd be the rebels main target.

Damn, what DID happen to Kamino?

El Sitherino
02-09-2005, 08:29 AM
Kamino is of no use by the time the OT comes around. The emperor is in power, and he was doing damn good of staying in power. (Until Luke showed up)

swphreak
02-09-2005, 08:35 AM
Originally posted by Doomie
Y'know, i remember reading somewhere that the kaminoans didn't like the regular clone troopers for some reason that I forgot, and proceeded to create the Clone Commandos.

Yet in the movie, Lama Su kept going on about how magnificent they were...

The Commandos were made for special missions. Same with the ARC trooper.

Commandos are a bit less of a drone like the meatbag troopers, but still have high loyalty and obeying orders without question. In other words, they think more. ARCs are almost identical Jangos... just loyal to the Republic <.<

Redtech
02-09-2005, 09:16 AM
Doesn't it say in the developer notes that the problem with ARCs is that they are LITERALLY Jango clones. I mean, they may be loyal, but you try telling them to go on a suicide mission! (Prepare to loose a few fingers).

Commandos are a compromise, not brain-dead, but fairly controllable.

With clone troopers being pretty much fleshy droids in comparison.

Kurgan
02-09-2005, 03:28 PM
Originally posted by StarWarsPhreak
Um... pilots are pilots... trained at the Naval Academy... Han Solo anyone? :D

As for the stormtroopers being clones... I'm sure by ANH, the clones would be getting pretty old due to growth acceleration. also, where is Kamino in the OT? Did it get destroyed in between?

As for Royal Guardsmen, perhaps they were specially trained on Yinchorr? And once they started getting stormtroopers, take the best ones and train them.

It's people that think too much and focus on contradictions and "abc-canon" crap that ruin it for themselves and others instead of just freaking enjoying the damn stories.

There's people who get paid handsomely to worry about that stuff. Unfortunately I'm not one of 'em! ; )

lukeiamyourdad
02-09-2005, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by StarWarsPhreak
Yet in the movie, Lama Su kept going on about how magnificent they were...


He's a good salesman.

MaximumMayhem
02-11-2005, 10:43 PM
Its a clever move by LA to use different personalities to keep gameplay and interaction fresh with your fellow Deltas, and from what I have gathered, an explanation is feasible.

As far as i've learned, Jango Fett's instructor's weren't clones of him, but allies that were handchosen by the Prime Clone himself to train the armies.

As far as differentiating between Advanced Recon Commandos and Clone Commandos, ARCs are identical Jango Fett templates in that they havent been tampered with at all (with perhaps the only exception being the growth acceleration - or maybe not.. as ill point out later), and were each trained by Fett himself. Much like Fett, they are incredible at their art, but also share the same independance as the being they are based off and hence proved incredibly difficult for the Republic to control. This resulted in the small quantity of ARC Troopers being placed back into stasis and only released when absolutely necessary (ref. The Defence of Kamino).

This took the genetics officers of Kamino back to square one, and hence they began to develop a new tactic which involved 'raising' a squad of four individuals to work in sync as a unit, much like the aiwha (flying beasts you see burst out of the seascapes of Kamino) do when they hunt.

So looking at the get-go, Clone Commandos are segregated from other Troopers and are only trained together as a squad from their very beginnings, and hence are open to develop their own personalities; as, for example, siblings do. I expect Fett himself had little to do with their training, hence accents developed by Commandos would differ to a degree. Keep in mind that Fett's Concord Dawn accent could have been shared by some of his trainers, which would explain Delta Three Eight.

As far as the connection between Stormtroopers and Clone Troopers goes, im sure most of the Clones would have died out through combat or accelerated aging by the time of the OT. Then seeing as the Empire had total control, it would recruit from the masses much the same as police forces or military do these days, to boost the efficiency of its forces with more free thinking individuals. I see the use of the Clones by Palpatine as a quick rise to power and then nothing more. Wiping out his Seperatist opposition using his planted Sith agents, combined with using his Sith leaders to use the Seperatists to thin the Jedi simultaneously was a genius plan. Ive gotta give him that much..

There is a Dark Horse comic that portrays Luke Skywalker and a Clone Trooper on the cover. It seems that he seeks out the assistance of the CT to aid him in a mission. Could this be a surviving ARC Trooper? It would make sense, seeing as these pure replicas of Jango were fully independant and self sufficient.

Very interesting indeed!

As for Jango keeping his father's accent, he was already around 12 when Mace took down Jango on Geonosis and I suspect, since then; has lived alone, thus the accent stayed with him.

Kurgan
02-12-2005, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by MaximumMayhem
As far as differentiating between Advanced Recon Commandos and Clone Commandos, ARCs are identical Jango Fett templates in that they havent been tampered with at all (with perhaps the only exception being the growth acceleration - or maybe not.. as ill point out later)

If they didn't have growth acceleration, they'd all be little 10 year old kids like Boba (who wasn't growth accelerated), so that doesn't work. Remember, according to Lucas only 2-3 years pass between Episode II and III, and since the "Clone Wars" series which introduces the ARC troopers takes place in that short period, they simply have to be growth accelerated to be ready in time!

If they are independant, fine, but of course that means they may have rebelled against their being treated as slaves & cannon fodder, unless Jango was able to pay them or convince them to be loyal to him somehow.

If you got this info from the EU novels fine, but I'm just saying. ; )


This took the genetics officers of Kamino back to square one, and hence they began to develop a new tactic which involved 'raising' a squad of four individuals to work in sync as a unit, much like the aiwha (flying beasts you see burst out of the seascapes of Kamino) do when they hunt.

That doesn't solve the independance problem, and they still have to be growth accelerated. Just saying...


As far as the connection between Stormtroopers and Clone Troopers goes, im sure most of the Clones would have died out through combat or accelerated aging by the time of the OT. Then seeing as the Empire had total control, it would recruit from the masses much the same as police forces or military do these days, to boost the efficiency of its forces with more free thinking individuals.

This really has yet to be explained in G-level canon. It's possible we'll learn of this in the Episode III G-level materials (novel, DVD), but if not there's some possible retcons handy:

1) The Empire switched to numerous clone "templates" and these included going to the highest bidder kind of thing, like rich officer families contributing their "templates."

2) The Empire hired on lots of different planets besides Kamino, with different templates to use in their clone stocks.

3) After the Clone Wars, they started getting conscripts/recruites and brainwashing them, which was cheaper than using clones. And the clones were eventually phased out, or relegated to a small percentage of the Stormtrooper population.

4) After the Clone Wars, they switched to a new faster (but more dangerous) technique involving the Spaarti Cylinders and all that hokum from the Thrawn novels in the EU.

Lucas just threw it all into chaos with his announcement that the Jango Clones became the Stormtroopers.


I see the use of the Clones by Palpatine as a quick rise to power and then nothing more. Wiping out his Seperatist opposition using his planted Sith agents, combined with using his Sith leaders to use the Seperatists to thin the Jedi simultaneously was a genius plan. Ive gotta give him that much..

Getting a big army in secret quickly with clones makes a lot of sense. The question is, does he continue making clones up to the time of Episode IV? Hence the need for some explanation there, because if nothing else changed, there's no way Kamino could provide that many soldiers, and the batches they had ready would be too old by that time.

There is a Dark Horse comic that portrays Luke Skywalker and a Clone Trooper on the cover. It seems that he seeks out the assistance of the CT to aid him in a mission. Could this be a surviving ARC Trooper? It would make sense, seeing as these pure replicas of Jango were fully independant and self sufficient.

Very interesting indeed!

Maybe, but that's assuming the growth acceleration isn't on this dude. Let's say he was "born" during time the Army was created, that would mean he'd be in his late 20's, early 30's by the time of the OT (like Boba), and assuming this is EU, add onto that whatever number of years it's supposed to be. If he DOES have growth acceleration, then double whatever his age is.

As for Jango keeping his father's accent, he was already around 12 when Mace took down Jango on Geonosis and I suspect, since then; has lived alone, thus the accent stayed with him.

So how did Boba pick up the accent in the first place? He didn't have it as a child when his dad died. Fast Forward 30 years and suddenly he's got an identical "Concord Dawn" accent as his father (via Lucas's revised 2004 OT).

El Sitherino
02-12-2005, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by Kurgan
So how did Boba pick up the accent in the first place? He didn't have it as a child when his dad died. Fast Forward 30 years and suddenly he's got an identical "Concord Dawn" accent as his father (via Lucas's revised 2004 OT). You expect too much of a child actor. What they needed was someone that'd look like how Jango would have likely looked as a child. There's only so much you can teach a kid. And you can't digitally give a kid an accent.

Kurgan
02-12-2005, 12:35 PM
All Lucas had to do was find a kid who COULD speak that accent, and dub over the Boba actor's lines.

He's done that sort of thing before (he redubbed all of Beru's lines in ANH, and David Prowse's for Darth Vader, plus he had to do Threepio's because of the noisey suit, Darth Maul's lines in TPM, etc). Sure, as the actor I'd be pissed, but oh well.

Things were fine until Lucas decided to dub over adult Boba's lines in ESB...

El Sitherino
02-12-2005, 01:05 PM
He could've but he didn't need to.

Plus there are lots of kids that over time develop their accent. We could assume Boba is one of these kids. He developes the accent later on. *shrugs*

It's Star Wars, people need to stop being so picky about trivial things.

Shok_Tinoktin
02-12-2005, 07:18 PM
Maybe Boba spent enough time on Concord Dawn between AOTC and ESB to develope an accent.

Kurgan
02-13-2005, 01:40 PM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
He could've but he didn't need to.

Plus there are lots of kids that over time develop their accent. We could assume Boba is one of these kids. He developes the accent later on. *shrugs*

It's Star Wars, people need to stop being so picky about trivial things.

Well, like I said, it's George's fault. He was really the "picky" one, who had to change his movie, throwing the "logic" of it into confusion on points like this. ; )

One out of universe theory could point to Lucas making a blunder in AOTC, then wishing to cover it, by changing ESB instead (a movie he didn't originally direct, but has control over), or thinking his audience too stupid to recognize that Boba and Jango are clones of one another and make the connection between trilogies (despite having the same ship, armor, weapons, job, etc).

I don't see how the fans are to blame for noticing!

Yeah, obviously he somehow picked up the accent, in-universe, it's just left as a mystery for now.

ZBomber
02-13-2005, 02:24 PM
Maybe the accent was there, but we couldn't hear it since his voice hadn't changed? Or maybe he studied his father through videos, and developed the accent. Who knows...

lukeiamyourdad
02-13-2005, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by ZBomber
Or maybe he studied his father through videos, and developed the accent.

That's kind of creepy...

ZBomber
02-13-2005, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad
That's kind of creepy...

What isn't creepy about Boba Fett? :)

Kurgan
02-13-2005, 03:50 PM
That seems to me to be a more reasonable theory, if we accept the 2004 Editions as superceding all other editions of the movies (which seems to be what Lucas wants), that Boba was so obsessed with living up to his father's legacy that he imitated him down to the accent. He could have spent a lot of time with journals, videos, tapes, etc. of his dad's voice.

That scene in AOTC where he lifts his father's helmet to his head could then take on an even deeper meaning. It's like he's trying to channel Jango's soul or something.

swphreak
02-13-2005, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by Kurgan
If they are independant, fine, but of course that means they may have rebelled against their being treated as slaves & cannon fodder, unless Jango was able to pay them or convince them to be loyal to him somehow.

All Clones are loyal to the Republic. The ARC trooopers and Commandos just have some independence to solve problems. Unlike regular clones who obey oders without question and just charge into battle. ARCs and Commandos think before charging into battle and solve problems.

ABC-Canon crap sucks.

Kurgan
02-14-2005, 08:29 AM
Well now that's the thing. They just say the clones have "reduced independance." What does that mean exactly? How much? The officers have to have some command ability. Are they just more suggestable by Jedi?

And are they more loyal than say, brainwashed recruites?

Seems like kind of an open question...


Jango's loyalty was bought with money and a "son." Of course, he fought for the Seperatists, ironically.

swphreak
02-14-2005, 09:08 PM
Of course he did, jango worked for the highest bidder. Clones do not. They are bred for the Republic.

El Sitherino
02-14-2005, 09:19 PM
Originally posted by StarWarsPhreak
All Clones are loyal to the Republic. The ARC trooopers and Commandos just have some independence to solve problems. Unlike regular clones who obey oders without question and just charge into battle. ARCs and Commandos think before charging into battle and solve problems.
Phreak sums up the clones perfectly.

*quoted for emphasis*

MaximumMayhem
02-15-2005, 05:56 AM
You have some very valid points there Kurgan. Ofcourse the ARCs would had to have been growth accelerated, seeing as they would only be Boba's age at the time of their required use. I cant believe my mind skipped something so obvious.

Regarding the personality of the ARC Troopers: I believe that seeing as they ARCs themselves were brought up on nothing but military training (especially from Jango himself), they would be well conformed to fight for this army, seeing as they know of nothing better. It could be considered a form of brainwashing. The only difference is that having Fett's personality and personal training made them simply harder to reign in. Thanks to Jango, they; like him, were too good at their job, and I suppose they are a little too independant for the Republic to control them adequately which could have jeopardised the lives of others on missions. I personally dont think their immediate loyalty to the Republic would be an issue - but then again, it's difficult to asses as we've never had any hard evidence of our actions ourselves. All we know of the ARCs is EU which, while enticing; I dont like to refer to at all. (While I have the chance, I would LOVE to see an ARC in action in Episode III - or beyond.. just gimme film footage! *wink*)

As for the Clone Commandos and their independance, im certain that the cloners would have reduced it down a few notches after the ARC fiasco, and to counter this step back in fighting potential; came up with the Squad system to balance it back out.

One of the designers of the game is quoted as saying something along the lines of "to get the job done you either send in a lone ARC Trooper, a Squad of Clone Commandos, or a group of 100 Clone Troopers" - very well said. Quite a practical numerical analysis of performance ratios.

I agree in hope that Lucas has clarified the Clone situation in Episode III. My theory is that, no matter how utterly corrupt the Empire is; people will always be willing to sign up and serve because its a legitamite force - its just how that force is used that gives it an ugly face or not. Similar to military these days. One sees tons of headlines that outline atrocities and war crimes caused by army factions.

The Imperial forces are painted as evil, but if you think hard enough, its difficult to place them all in the same basket. Rubio's Troops doesnt quite cross the path of showing the Imps in a positive (or even neutral) light. I think this kind of portrayal will be utilised in Episode III, as I dont assume the Emperor to simply broadcast a codeword to suddenly transform the clones into heartless monsters. Id like to hope there is more to it than all minions of the Emperor becoming evil. Time will tell though :)

As for young Boba's accent, I suppose Concord Dawn is just the Star Wars term for New Zealand, as its the Kiwi accent both father and son share. Im sure as Boba matures, and his voice takes on a more mature tone, it will sound just like dads, seeing as their voice boxes are identical and thus would produce almost; if not identical sound.

This is all very exciting! Id like to thank Temuera Morrison for lending his vocal talents to 038. I love the Clone Wars and im a stickler for quality. I appreciate his efforts to make RC all the more authentic.

(I was similarly relieved to hear that Kiwi.. ahh.. Concord Dawn accents were included in Battlefront).

Here's to an exciting new year for film and SW gaming!

lukeiamyourdad
02-15-2005, 07:02 AM
In the Tie Fighter game, you took on the role of an Imperial Pilot Grunt and it gave you great insight into the Imperial Army's world.
They never, ever seemed evil, more just guys that do their job.

lonepadawan
02-18-2005, 07:16 AM
FC gave a pretty nice view of the Imperials also.. they made the destruction of the Death Star seem like a great disaster etc..

Also, the actor who plays Scorch and Carth was in that too... so he's had a good experience of 3 era's of SW and 3 totally different characters :D

Doomie
02-18-2005, 12:26 PM
Yeah, a lot of stormtroopers were probably drafted from conquered planets. Maybe they'd get shot, or choked if they didn't do their job. That also explains why stormtroopers shoot so bad. They don't want to fight, they just have to.

I forgot what i was gonna say about the clones, this'll have to do :/

Micahc
03-09-2005, 11:20 PM
Ok; since they're discribed as "perfect" genetic creations that means that they can pretty much do anything they want during the creation period, and since there are four commando's you really need to be able to tell them apart. Yes they may have the pretty colored armor but say if your in the middle of a fire fight and one of your teammates tells you to cover his back; theres gonna be a problem because they all have the same voice! so once you find out who it is he could be dead. So give em different voices to tell em apart! And about the Jango Fett voice they could have just let him have it. An why let something so small bug you? If they sounded the same people would be angry because you couldn't tell them apart!

FreePizza
03-10-2005, 02:23 PM
I would assume the accents would come from the people they were trained under.

For instance, say Aussie's were the best explosives experts, then clones that were designated to be explosives experts would be trained by Aussies and probably have their accent. Or Texans were the best snpers, then clones would be trained by a group of Texans and have that accent...or Brooklyn, etc. :P

Kurgan
03-10-2005, 02:36 PM
That makes sense. Rather than assuming that Jango Fett (great as he might be as a 'Bounty Hunter') personally trained all 1.2 million clones himself, and he was an expert in all those areas.

MaximumMayhem
03-11-2005, 10:15 AM
The Clone Wars interest me a great deal, and thus id love to find out more about the training process. The limited introductory sequences in RC had me drooling for more. It would be great to get some hard info on Jango's trusted lieutenants who were tasked with training handpicked clones. Im sure one of his allies hailed from Concord Dawn (seeing as it's a planet, there would be many more humans with that accent, much the same as there are New Zealanders IRL), so it doesnt seem like a bizarre coincidence there.

So far im up to the Assault Ship and am enjoying this game immensely!

IAMKINGCLONE
03-12-2005, 08:19 AM
On the Republic Commando website it says that the Commandos assilimated the characteristics of their training sergeants, including accents while others (like 38) kept Jango's. If you notice, Scorch, Sev & Fixer have similar accents, Presumably from their sergeant, Walon Vau.

Kurgan
03-15-2005, 01:47 PM
I assume not all of the characteristics. Or we'd have a crazy trainer and a joker trainer. ; )

Jatari Bazrak
03-16-2005, 03:18 PM
No not all the charectaristics came from the trainer Walon Vau. Jango Fett and Walon Vau encouraged the commandos to take on personallities to differentiate themselfs and become more like brothers. You can find all this stuff on the official site...They found personalities in some clones and called it the "H factor".

The Spartan
03-17-2005, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
Just because they're kept on Kamino doesn't mean they don't have them in different enviroments. An enviroment is just the surroundings that create your habitat. They could have particular clones that are created for certain jobs kept in different style enviroments within the lab.

ACTUALLY, they would remain in the same environment. They are pod brothers of a commando unit. They would be in CONSTANT contact with one another except when they were in training and something like 3/100 are defective so The would have the same accents, same voice, same face. The only person that they might develope an accent after is their trainer, IE: Kal Siratta. They SHOULD have made all the voices Jango types but had the actor give different gravities, personalities, and inflexions to each........But oh well.......Carth Onasi seems to make a fine RC-62......

The Spartan
03-17-2005, 08:01 PM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
Phreak sums up the clones perfectly.

*quoted for emphasis*

Nope. Not perfectly. The normal clones are least independant. The Commandos more so and the ARCs have NO tapering with docility. But not all clones are loyal. So many out of every batch 3.5/100 clones are in some way defective according to the Star Wars Insider, Issue 80). Alpha 02, AKA Spar, led Mandalorian Super Commandos in the name of Sidious after he went "defective.":fett:

MaximumMayhem
03-18-2005, 05:34 AM
Mandalorian Super Commandos? I find this incredibly interesting! Could this 'defect' simply be a sense of rationality and a realisation by Alpha 02 that he was initially fighting for a decadent governing body?

I wonder how this defection would have affected Battle Droid reasoning.. differentiating between friend and foe; seeing as the Seperatist clones would be seen as the enemy with or without armour.. ?

I mean, Dooku's preachings were so widely accepted because he was telling the truth. The Republic was infact corrupted. The Seperatist systems were in actuality, trying to fight back against a degenerating system they broke away from. These groups were the true threat to Sidious' totalitarian regime as he already controlled this failing Republic and it was only the rogue systems that would oppose his total rule of the galaxy. Ive gotta hand it to Palpy.. his plan was perfect.

LukeKatarn
03-18-2005, 10:44 AM
All the commandos were trained by the same guy, but they don't develop the same accent. They might have either got a mix of Jango's and the sergants. 38 "Boss" might not have developed an accent at all from the sergent. Sev was probabley' as presumed by other commandos, spiked. Fixer sounds more like Jango, but not completely. And Scorch, is probably the most like Walon Vau.

SirPantsAlot
03-18-2005, 11:05 AM
OH MY THREAD WHAT HAPPENED TO IT!?! :eek: :p

swphreak
03-18-2005, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by The Spartan
But not all clones are loyal. So many out of every batch 3.5/100 clones are in some way defective according to the Star Wars Insider, Issue 80). Alpha 02, AKA Spar, led Mandalorian Super Commandos in the name of Sidious after he went "defective.":fett:

Yes, and they correct them very quickly. Alpha 02 is the only clone I know of that abandoned the Republic, and like Sith said, it was merely for storyline.

Luke: There are more than 4 commandos in the galaxy. Different batches of commandos had different trainers. So no, not all commandos are trained by the same person.

LukeKatarn
03-18-2005, 09:06 PM
WHoops. I didn't mean ALL commadnos. I meant the commadnos in Delta Squad. I knew tehre were more, I just wasn't thinking.

The Spartan
03-19-2005, 12:56 AM
By the way, the new issue of the insider (80) is where I learned of Alpha 02, so all you Mandalorian freaks like me out there, there is a wonderfully done article on the galaxy's finest warrior. I recommend this issue for all our Fett and Ordo fans out there!

Vitani
03-19-2005, 01:23 PM
think of the clones as a couple million "twins"
they may all be the "same", but i think even in the star wars univierse, no two beings can be EXACTLY the same, cause cloning only copies the genes, not the actual person themselves
twins in real life may have the same looks or interests, but there may be smaller, not really noticable differences, such as a difference in voice pitch or a slight difference in eye color, so really, all the clones prolly have some sort of difference in things such as voice and stuff i would assume

Oidar
03-19-2005, 02:07 PM
ok, were talking clones. Exact genetic duplicates. Everything would be the exact same EXCEPT for voice, and thought process.

Lets look at it this way. If someone was to clone hitler (remember this is just an example) The clone would not turn out the same as the original. The clone would have to go through everything the original did along with making the exact same decisions the original did.

Look at it like this

Original
|
Decision 1------Decision 2----- Decision 1
| ----------------------------------|
| ------------------------------Decision 2 ------ Clone
Decision 1----Decision 2
|
Original

During life the original was faced with 2 major decisions to make, life altering type things. Based off his two decisions he ended up the way he was.

An exact genetic clone of the original is made it makes the opposite decisions the original does as such its only a clone of the original in looks.
Voice is sort of the same way. I know a few sets of twins when we were kids they all sounded the same but as they grew their voices did not stay the same they changed to set the two apart.

Its possible to make the asumption that the clones don't sound alike due to how their vocal chords developed. If they hear something, an accent or a saying that is uncommon to them they may adopt it to set themselves apart(prime example of only being a genetic clone and not an exact dupilicate of the original)
Most of it would be subliminal and the decisions to pickup on a slight accent or phrase would be done without the clone even realizing they had done it.

If two clones in the same group that underwent the same training came out different in personalities how would you explain that? their clones right, their suppose to be the same.... but say one was disiplined for doing something wrong or improperly. That clone could develope resent and harbour agressive thoughts thus altering his personality. An exact duplicate of the original but only in looks.


This is a huge freakin arugment and could go on forever so I'll just stop here.

TK-8252
03-19-2005, 02:18 PM
Remember the clones' personalty was altered too, making them less independant and more docile.

Kurgan
03-19-2005, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by Vitani
think of the clones as a couple million "twins"
they may all be the "same", but i think even in the star wars univierse, no two beings can be EXACTLY the same, cause cloning only copies the genes, not the actual person themselves
twins in real life may have the same looks or interests, but there may be smaller, not really noticable differences, such as a difference in voice pitch or a slight difference in eye color, so really, all the clones prolly have some sort of difference in things such as voice and stuff i would assume

That's true. Even identical twins are not "The same Person" even though this is commonly forgotten in sci fi.

Even conjoined ("siamese") twins are not the same person, even if they share use of a certain body part or body parts.

A clone is no more "you" than a twin IS his or her twin.

Of course Luke and Leia are fraternal twins (not identical).

Accents aren't genetic, as we can all agree, so it must be intentional on the part of the clone (practice) or due to environment.

MaximumMayhem
03-20-2005, 06:08 AM
Well done Oidar and Vitani. You've captured it perfectly!

Its just a little sad that Lucas didnt show how Kamino's little military infrastructure worked in more detail through any kinds of medium. With the Clone Wars drawing to a close (i love the fact how it's all 'occuring' in real time relevant between Episodes II and III!), we may never know the full details....