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Acrylic
02-07-2005, 03:33 PM
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/02/07/news_6118072.html

The processor that will be the heart of the PS3 was unveiled!

JOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND RAPTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

RoxStar
02-07-2005, 03:37 PM
Whoa..... thats fast.

BongoBob
02-07-2005, 03:42 PM
Gaddamn 0.0

Me can't wait :D

jebbers
02-07-2005, 03:55 PM
*agrees with Dave and Bongo*


hot dang....its so beautiful

shukrallah
02-07-2005, 03:55 PM
Man.. thats awesome, smaller than your eye! I wonder how hot that bad boy gets.

IG-64
02-07-2005, 04:10 PM
.... My computer runs at 2.81 GHz...

And that runs at 4...

That's insane.

TiE23
02-07-2005, 04:11 PM
Now we have an idea on how much a PS3 will cost.
$500?

TiE

RoxStar
02-07-2005, 04:24 PM
*looks back to the days of 2000*

originally posted by some Sony fanboy

600 mhz, OMG this thing is gonna cost a fourtunorzzz!!!11!1!!1

It'll be 300 or else no one will buy it.

El Sitherino
02-07-2005, 04:25 PM
Yeah, sounds about right. @ $500.

edlib
02-07-2005, 04:28 PM
It could cost more... it will be a HD-DVD player (/ recorder?) as well, and most likely an internet appliance.

If Sony is smart (and I have no reason to believe they aren't) they will set this thing up to replace half a dozen different components in your living-room entertainment center... and perhaps even your PC...

Boba Rhett
02-07-2005, 04:32 PM
Looks great although it sounds like it may prove extremely difficult to develop things on.

TiE23
02-07-2005, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by edlib
It could cost more... it will be a HD-DVD player (/ recorder?) as well, and most likely an internet appliance.

If Sony is smart (and I have no reason to believe they aren't) they will set this thing up to replace half a dozen different components in your living-room entertainment center... and perhaps even your PC...
My receiver, VCR, DVD player, and 5 disc CD Player will be replaced?
Nah....

TiE

Anthony
02-07-2005, 04:42 PM
**** the PS3 I want a FREAKING PC with one of these things in it damnit.

IG-64
02-07-2005, 04:43 PM
Someone should make a av of the chip with the title of "synergistic processing units"

It wouldn't fit thought, but it would be cool. X)

Originally posted by Anthony
**** the PS3 I want a FREAKING PC with one of these things in it damnit.

Temper temper.

Read it again, they said they're developing computers with it for graphics stuff. Not like you would need that powerfull computer for the petty things you do.

:xp:

edlib
02-07-2005, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by TiE 23
My receiver, VCR, DVD player, and 5 disc CD Player will be replaced?
Nah....

TiE
DVD player... yes. That's a given. Sony has already announced support of Blu-Ray HD-DVD on this player.

Also, with a big enough hard drive and HD-DVD/RW recording and a built in HD cable tuner it could also kill TIVO and your VCR (except for playing back old tapes.)

It will almost certainly read, rip, and store CDs and MP3s as well as DVD-A... just hook it up to your surround receiver and get rid of a CD changer.

Now add a network port (also a given,) some kind of simple OS, a wireless mouse/ keyboard combo and you are surfing the net on your high-def TV.

Originally posted by Anthony
**** the PS3 I want a FREAKING PC with one of these things in it damnit.
It will happen... and it WILL be a Mac. Mark my words.

El Sitherino
02-07-2005, 05:00 PM
Now I'm tempted to get a PS3 just in hopes for the PS2linux team to make PS3linux. Oh gawd that'll be sweet.

TiE23
02-07-2005, 05:19 PM
Cassis: $40
Cell Prossessors: $200
HD DVD: $180
Controller: $30
MoBo: $100
80gb HD: $80
Networking Conponets: $30
"Videocard" $200

New game: $60

:¬:

TiE

Boba Rhett
02-07-2005, 05:21 PM
They'll do everything they have to do to keep it down in price and get it into households. Even if it means losing money on the console itself.

edlib
02-07-2005, 05:26 PM
That's the way it has been on every game console ever released.

Console systems always lose money. They make it back selling games and licenses to make games.

They'll throw everything at this one in order to kill Microsoft and the XBOX, and to dominate the home-entertainment consumer-electronics market even more them they already do.

Sony is also one of the few compnies behind Blu-Ray HD-DVD... wich means that all the movies released on HD-DVD by Sony Studios will most likely ONLY be in that format. If the PS3 is the cheapest (or only) player that will playback that format they will have a lock there as well.

Sony got stung with BETAMAX... they're gonna fight hard to see that doesn't ever happen again.

shukrallah
02-07-2005, 05:33 PM
$60 for a game? Yeah right...

It seems that Sony is the only company brave enough to come out and say "hey, this is what we got..." while Xbox and Nintendo are keeping mostly everything a secret.


I don't see the point of having a DVD player in my console when I already have a DVD player. Its not like it improves the quality or anything like that.

I wonder how much this cell processor will be worth on a PC.

This whole thing takes me back a few years, to when I read something about a nanobyte on these forums. Someone said something about a hardrive that was made with 1 nanobyte (1000 GBs) and that its super small in physical size. Thats simular to this.

Boba Rhett
02-07-2005, 05:34 PM
You don't think game prices will be going up?

edlib
02-07-2005, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by lukeskywalker1
I don't see the point of having a DVD player in my console when I already have a DVD player. Its not like it improves the quality or anything like that.

Originally posted at: http://www.dvd-recordable.org (http://www.dvd-recordable.org/Article1533-mode=thread-order0-threshold0.phtml)
Subsequent to its announcement in Tokyo about a month ago, Sony Computer Entertainment today issued a press release confirming its commitment to use the Blu-ray Disc ROM format as the primary storage medium for its next game console.

The Blu-ray discs used in the next-generation PlayStation will reportedly be dual-layer, single-sided versions with a storage capacity of 54 gigabytes, compared to the 4.7 gigabytes available to most PlayStation 2 games stored on single-layer DVD-ROMs. Single-layer BD-ROM discs will hold 30 gigabytes.

54 gig games!!!!!

Not to mention movies in super-high def (almost twice the current resolution is possible) with uncompressed, high-bitrate multi-channel sound...

There WILL be a noticable difference in the quality all around.

lukeiamyourdad
02-07-2005, 05:53 PM
Bah I give it a year, a year and a half. Then they'll come up with a faster processor for PC and we'll be back at laughing at the little consoles' performances.

TiE23
02-07-2005, 06:01 PM
Originally posted by lukeskywalker1
....to when I read something about a nanobyte on these forums. Someone said something about a hardrive that was made with 1 nanobyte (1000 GBs) and that its super small in physical size. Thats simular to this.

You mean a terabyte right?

TiE

El Sitherino
02-07-2005, 06:05 PM
Yeah, he does.

TiE23
02-07-2005, 06:08 PM
I would love to get the PS3, if I had a spare $600. :-\

TiE

Boba Rhett
02-07-2005, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by Boba Rhett
They'll do everything they have to do to keep it down in price and get it into households. Even if it means losing money on the console itself.

I really doubt they'll let it get that high.

jokemaster
02-07-2005, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by lukeskywalker1


It seems that Sony is the only company brave enough to come out and say "hey, this is what we got..." while Xbox and Nintendo are keeping mostly everything a secret.


Yeah but both of the things that they've announced (Blu-ray DVD, Cell processor) are involved in other enterprises. The cell processor is being developed also in the PC business, and I think they announced the Blu-ray DVD part because it's probably the biggest company that's behind it and they want to announce their support, so they strap it onto their game console. Meanwhile, the XBOX 2/xenon/XBOX NEXT/whatever and the Revolution have no components that have been announced to be used in other industries as well. Not yet anyway.

Treacherous Mercenary
02-07-2005, 07:08 PM
Originally posted by TiE 23
I would love to get the PS3, if I had a spare $600. :-\

But that's just the PS3... Just think of the prices on the other consoles too.. :o

Tyrion
02-07-2005, 07:54 PM
You know, from what it looks like the Cell processor itself isn't all too sweet, considering it's just massively multicored(9 processors total).

But still, if Sony makes this the ultimate multimedia appliance, I will be happy. Truth be told, I'm getting tired of the intricacies in Windows...

Mex
02-07-2005, 09:56 PM
Remember what they said about the PS2 processor? They said it was going to have that "emotion" stuff where it thought of different ways to the enemy to go and stuff and that it was going to be very powerful. Infact it was a 300Mhz prosessor, which sucked.

This cell prosessor is just going to flop, going to end up being around 1.6 ghz or something.

lassev
02-08-2005, 01:08 AM
Licensing technology from Rambus doesn't sound cheap. I think that alone could raise the price of a unit a little. Unless Rambus has changed its tactics after what happened with Intel.

edlib
02-08-2005, 03:36 AM
Rambus is just lucky to still be alive at this point,.. I can't imagine that thier licensing fees are what they once were.
This is coming from someone running 512 RDRAM who bought it when things were at a premium. :mad:

I still think that Sony is going to position itself to try and take a bite out of Windows Media Center PCs as well as the XBOX with the new Playstation. Games are going to be touted as only one thing that this unit does. "Convergence" is the current industry buzzword, and I think a lot of hardware being designed at the moment will reflect that.

A $600 price-tag doesn't seem so high when compared to a Media-Center PC... especially if the PS3 can do 80- or 90% of what a Media Center PC can.

$600 will probably become the new price-point for such units, and people will gladly pay it when they see the capabilities of the new hardware.

Personally, I think even Apple is setting themselves up to get into the Media-Center business with the Mini-Macs, too. All they have to set up is an on demand downloadable movie store like iTunes, say: iMovie, and hook up a $600 Mini-Mac to any HD-TV with a DVI in.

I really think that will be the trend over the next couple of years, and Sony is going to try to be on the forefront of it.

Samuel Dravis
02-08-2005, 04:43 AM
Some hardware info (http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/cell-1.ars) on the Cell, for you ubergeeks who dare to click. :D

El Sitherino
02-08-2005, 06:20 AM
I do see the mac mini making way for mac to get into these media center slots.

Loved that link Sam. :)

shukrallah
02-08-2005, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by Boba Rhett
You don't think game prices will be going up?


Yeah, but rhett, games for the PS1 and N64 were $50... the new ones were anyways. Why up them now? I guess its a possibility with HL being $54.99.


You mean a terabyte right?


Oh yeah.. well nano is up there in size too, I think.

ZBomber
02-08-2005, 01:09 PM
Isn't nano one of the smallest sizes? As in, nanochip = extremely small.

And, it looks great, but I won't get it. :)

Acrylic
02-08-2005, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by edlib
Rambus is just lucky to still be alive at this point,.. I can't imagine that thier licensing fees are what they once were.
This is coming from someone running 512 RDRAM who bought it when things were at a premium. :mad:


OMG!
So did me and my dad!

We bought a brand new Gateway, back when 3.0 Ghz was tops, with 512 RDRAM. It's good RAM and all, but it's soooo expensive!

TiE23
02-08-2005, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by edlib
A $600 price-tag doesn't seem so high when compared to a Media-Center PC... especially if the PS3 can do 80- or 90% of what a Media Center PC can.

Besides be a computer?
:D

TiE

El Sitherino
02-08-2005, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by TiE 23
Besides be a computer?
:D

TiE A PS3(and all consoles) is a computer, not a personal computer, but a computer none the less.

ET Warrior
02-08-2005, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
A PS3(and all consoles) is a computer, not a personal computer, but a computer none the less.

Sith for the win.

El Sitherino
02-08-2005, 02:59 PM
Do I win the internets?

Acrylic
02-08-2005, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
Do I win the internets?

Yes. 2 internets. No more, no less.

IG-64
02-08-2005, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
Do I win the internets?

I dunno if that was a typo or you were making fun of Bush.

El Sitherino
02-08-2005, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by IG-64
I dunno if that was a typo or you were making fun of Bush. Or perhaps neither?

IG-64
02-08-2005, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
Or perhaps neither?

Oh, so you were just being weird? Ok.

Just wondering. :p

ET Warrior
02-08-2005, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by IG-64
I dunno if that was a typo or you were making fun of Bush.

And it's IG-64 for the lose!

shukrallah
02-08-2005, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by ZBomber
Isn't nano one of the smallest sizes? As in, nanochip = extremely small.

And, it looks great, but I won't get it. :)



When I said size, I meant in capacity. Like gigabytes.... but yeah, its supposed to be really small (physically).

edlib
02-08-2005, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
A PS3(and all consoles) is a computer, not a personal computer, but a computer none the less.
True, that.

Plus: How many under $600 Media-Center PCs are there? And how many of those are there that can play the entire Playstation catalog?

El Sitherino
02-08-2005, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by lukeskywalker1
When I said size, I meant in capacity. Like gigabytes.... but yeah, its supposed to be really small (physically). You mean a nanochip? There are no nanobytes.

shukrallah
02-08-2005, 05:39 PM
I swear somewhere I heard about a nanobyte.

Well, I just did a quick search, and I think your right, nothing of importance came up.

Sith for the win... again. :p

Astrotoy7
02-08-2005, 11:50 PM
sony seems to be defintely going for teh jugular in terms of evolving the PS from a mere gaming console to a multifunction unit..... and yes, as mentioned by many posters above, the key factorz arent roXXorz speeds and geekdroolworthy specs, but COST. If its too pricey, mum n dad wont get a ps3 for their kiddies for X-mas, etc.... which you have to admit is a *huge* chunk of the sales pie. If it just relied on us gamin mad fools to throw our hard earned $$$ at it, sony wouldnt be making the crazy profits it does on gaming/consoles...

I also agree with edlib, in an adrenaline rush of one-upmanship, the Mac will probably reach the 4ghz finish line first... its value to the 'average gamer' = zero :p

mtfbwya

Lynk Former
02-09-2005, 01:34 AM
It's funny how people rave on about "Sony's" new processor when all three console companies are looking to IBM and the same kind of technology to put into their systems.

RebelScum!
02-09-2005, 04:38 AM
Originally posted by TiE 23
I would love to get the PS3, if I had a spare $600. :-\

TiE

:xp: a point is made.

El Sitherino
02-09-2005, 06:51 AM
Originally posted by Lynk Former
It's funny how people rave on about "Sony's" new processor when all three console companies are looking to IBM and the same kind of technology to put into their systems. Agreed, it is funny.

Revan Solo
02-09-2005, 09:40 AM
128 Bit to 4 GHz??? What is going on there?:D

I get the feeling that you can't stop the PS 3!:eek:

Revan Solo
02-09-2005, 09:41 AM
Originally posted by RebelScum!
:xp: a point is made. 600 $????????????????????????????????????? Really?:(

ET Warrior
02-09-2005, 09:59 AM
Come on Revan, you know better than to double post. Especially when both posts are as short as yours.

BongoBob
02-09-2005, 12:53 PM
To be a bit more specific on Siths post, all the GC and PS2 need are the HDs. Tehn, all three would have all the needs of a basic PC :)

El Sitherino
02-09-2005, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by BongoBob
To be a bit more specific on Siths post, all the GC and PS2 need are the HDs. Tehn, all three would have all the needs of a basic PC :) They already have memory systems, what they lack is a versatile OS.


Get PS2 linux on your ps2, boom you have a PC.

Troopr-Undr-Fir
02-09-2005, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
They already have memory systems, what they lack is a versatile OS.


Get PS2 linux on your ps2, boom you have a PC.

No thanks... I'd actually like to play the games :lol:

They haven't even stuck with a design for their console yet, so how the **** are we supposed to know that they won't change the processing power?


HE SHOOTS HE SCORES!!!!


:indif:

El Sitherino
02-09-2005, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by Troopr-Undr-Fir
No thanks... I'd actually like to play the games :lol:

you can still play games, just not while you have the linux running.

the linux installs on the HD, power up using the linux for ps2 disc and you boot into linux.

shukrallah
02-09-2005, 01:43 PM
Guys, its not written in stone.. or anywhere for that matter that the console will be $600. How much was the PS2... $400? GCN was like $250 or something.

Samuel Dravis
02-09-2005, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
you can still play games, just not while you have the linux running. They could pull a M$ and disable online play for modified boxes...which is what I think he meant.

El Sitherino
02-09-2005, 01:55 PM
Except that Sony encourages PS2 linux.

MTV2
02-09-2005, 02:00 PM
now that we've seen the processor, how about the console?hm?

Troopr-Undr-Fir
02-09-2005, 02:06 PM
Originally posted by Samuel Dravis
They could pull a M$ and disable online play for modified boxes...which is what I think he meant.

No I meant that if I even had the desire to buy the HD for my PS2, I wouldn't suffer a fatal system crash, just to put linux on it.

The HD seems like a waste of money anyway, since I have things that do what it would be able to do, 10 times over...

Besides, I don't think it to be necessary to mod any game console, unless it betters the gaming experience :rolleyes:

El Sitherino
02-09-2005, 02:26 PM
Inexpesnive servers.

Acrylic
02-09-2005, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by MTV2
now that we've seen the processor, how about the console?hm?

http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=144020

TiE23
02-09-2005, 03:18 PM
Sith, shut yo mouf before I have to explain the System+Games=Profit to you. :p
And what proof do you have that Sony wants people to make their PS3 into a Linux?

TiE

ZBomber
02-09-2005, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by lukeskywalker1

Sith for the win... again. :p

ZBomber with the assist? Maybe? :(

I wonder if Playstation will stick with the name PS3. After awhile, it might become like those damned "Now #" CD's! :eek:

Acrylic
02-09-2005, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by ZBomber
ZBomber with the assist? Maybe? :(

I wonder if Playstation will stick with the name PS3. After awhile, it might become like those damned "Now #" CD's! :eek:

They better stay with the numbers, at least for the PS3, then after that, it might be smart to change it, but stay with PS3 for now.

ET Warrior
02-09-2005, 03:49 PM
Originally posted by Acrylic
They better stay with the numbers, at least for the PS3, then after that, it might be smart to change it, but stay with PS3 for now.

Yeah...because unoriginality is awesome!


Come on, call it the Sony Dominatrix or something...I want newdammit!


I hope Microsoft doesn't call it the Xbox 2. That is weak sauce.

Acrylic
02-09-2005, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by ET Warrior
Yeah...because unoriginality is awesome!

Damn Straight.

Plus, I can't think of anything good taht would fit.

Playstation cubed?

Playstation tres/drei/some other language

I DONT KNOW!!! BAH.

lukeiamyourdad
02-09-2005, 04:37 PM
I think it's already called Playstation tres in spanish speaking countries and Playstation drei in Germany >_>

I dunno what kind of name they could have. Maybe the PSMC, PlayStation Multimedia Center. That's a bit long and doesn't have any umph though...oh what do I care, call Sony's marketing department!

Boba Rhett
02-09-2005, 04:42 PM
The Locus. :cool:

edlib
02-09-2005, 04:59 PM
The Sony "Buy This Game System Or We'll Shoot This Dog."
http://www.wentworth-ltd.org/shootdog.jpg

shukrallah
02-09-2005, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by ZBomber
ZBomber with the assist? Maybe? :(

I wonder if Playstation will stick with the name PS3. After awhile, it might become like those damned "Now #" CD's! :eek:


Remember the PS2 commercial? It had some dude with a tiny console in the palm of his hand, and it was called PS9. At the end they said something like "But for now you'll have to settle with the PS2."

lukeiamyourdad
02-09-2005, 05:06 PM
Yeah but it was just a commercial you know.

Perhaps after the next playstation, they do a drastic change. They could keep it as the PS trilogy or something like that.

TiE23
02-09-2005, 06:41 PM
Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad
I think it's already called Playstation tres in spanish speaking countries and Playstation drei in Germany >_>
Thats because they read PS3. They say "3" in their language.

And LoL at edlib

TiE

Boba Rhett
02-09-2005, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by TiE 23
Thats because they read PS3. They say "3" in their language.

Way to notice things Captain Noticey McNoticeson of the Notice Brigade. :xp:

Acrylic
02-09-2005, 08:01 PM
Originally posted by Boba Rhett
Way to notice things Captain Noticey McNoticeson of the Notice Brigade. :xp:

Pwnt! :xp:

TiE23
02-09-2005, 08:03 PM
Originally posted by Boba Rhett
Way to notice things Captain Noticey McNoticeson of the Notice Brigade. :xp: Gee, thanks for noticing you.... you..... BUTTHEAD!

*runs away!* :animelol:

TiE

Astrotoy7
02-09-2005, 11:13 PM
Originally posted by Boba Rhett
Way to notice things Captain Noticey McNoticeson of the Notice Brigade. :xp:

You are not permitted to use Blackadder jokes here !!

*BAAAA* :p

mtfbwya

RpTheHotrod
02-09-2005, 11:21 PM
Acrylic is creaming his pants, :p



Dang, things just keep getting faster and faster.

TiE23
02-10-2005, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by RpTheHotrod
Acrylic is creaming his pants, :p



Dang, things just keep getting faster and faster.
Just wait, when It finally comes out, its going to have a 1.8ghz CPU at most.
Hell the Specs (http://gear.ign.com/articles/306/306618p1.html) of the Xbox is a lot worse than the cheapest Dells, yet it runs 10X better.

TiE

El Sitherino
02-10-2005, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by TiE 23
Sith, shut yo mouf before I have to explain the System+Games=Profit to you. :p
And what proof do you have that Sony wants people to make their PS3 into a Linux?

TiE The hell are you talking about? I said sony encourages people making their PS2's into linux machines. I didn't say they WANT people to, but that they encourage it.

What are you talking about system+game=profit? I never said anything against any of what you said.

TiE23
02-10-2005, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
What are you talking about system+game=profit? I never said anything against any of what you said. Im not saying anything bad to you :p

Im just saying it would be stupid to support PS2s being turned into Linux computers. Because if people don't buy games for the console, the console maker losses money.

PS2 lost money on the DVD out of the box feature cause people would just buy it to play DVDs.
Thats why Xbox makes you buy the remote to play movies, and why they don't want people to turn them into Linuxs.

MS finally turned a profit on the 'box cause of Halo 2.
Those consoles are worth a lot more than $150 :rolleyes:

TiE

El Sitherino
02-10-2005, 02:43 PM
Originally posted by TiE 23
Im not saying anything bad to you :p

Im just saying it would be stupid to support PS2s being turned into Linux computers. Because if people don't buy games for the console, the console maker losses money.
I already said, you can play games with the Linux installed. They don't lose money, they gain money.

Originally posted by TiE 23
Thats why Xbox makes you buy the remote to play movies, and why they don't want people to turn them into Linuxs.
Xbox is a micrsoft product, they aren't going to allow linux to be installed on a microsoft product, but people still do it, it's just not officialy allowed.

I suggest you stop posting until you know what you're talking about.

Samuel Dravis
02-10-2005, 06:04 PM
The followup article (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050210-4604.html) on the Cell just for you, IS. :D

kipperthefrog
02-10-2005, 06:33 PM
HI.

I never bought the ps2 or xbox. I thought the PC would do. I bought me a new PC and it costed arounf $500 and my games still didn't run as smooth as a ps2 would have. later my motherboard fried and I had to pay $200 (same price as a game console) for a new mother board plus video card upgrades. I should have got a game console.

Now I want to buy a next gext generation game console instead of a new PC. cheaper and will run smoother. I wonder witch one I'll buy.

I don't want to support bill gates into taking over the game console world as he did with the pc world. however the new elderscrolls game will be on xbox 2 along with a few other games ill want to play. maybie it will be on PS3 as well.

What do you think?

lukeiamyourdad
02-10-2005, 07:08 PM
Yes...everything is supposed to be smooth with a 500$ PC:rolleyes:

TiE23
02-10-2005, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by kipperthefrog

...I don't want to support bill gates into taking over the game console world as he did with the pc world...
What other choice do you have?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v123/Tie23/macs.jpg
:xp:

TiE

lukeiamyourdad
02-11-2005, 10:57 AM
Uh...Linux?

El Sitherino
02-11-2005, 12:20 PM
Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad
Uh...Linux?
^

TiE do us a favour and think before you post. Remember that rule "Don't be stupid"? kthx.

kipperthefrog
02-11-2005, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad
Yes...everything is supposed to be smooth with a 500$ PC:rolleyes:

It was a barebone system. the fact is that it costed more than a game console. my point is made.

What other choice do you have?
PS2 or Nintindo Game Cube.

I was talking about the fact that he is trying to ta over the GAME CONSOLE world . He already took over the PC world.

lukeiamyourdad
02-11-2005, 02:22 PM
No Gates hasn't. Not every little program or hardware element is made by Microsoft.
So no, he hasn't "taken over the PC world".
Linux and Macs still exist.


There are games that lag on consoles. It isn't always smooth and it has lower res. and lower quality textures.
We'll see what happens with the next gen consoles.

kipperthefrog
02-11-2005, 02:42 PM
He has. A vast majority of pcs has windows. The software deveopers tend to invest it to windows becuase it has a bigger audeince.

mac and linux is still there becuase he uses them to justify not breacking his huge company.

last i heard. Gates now owns part of mac too.

lukeiamyourdad
02-11-2005, 02:46 PM
I know the vast majority uses windows but it still doesn't mean everyone uses it.

Mac and Linux still exist because they do some things better then Windows can.

As a matter of fact, there are plenty of FREE softwares for Linux out there that survive on donations and funding from certain independant companies. He cannot crush Linux that easily. So no, he doesn't "leave" it there.

I've heard Gates owning part of Apple but as far as I know, it isn't enough to have any power over anything.

El Sitherino
02-11-2005, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by kipperthefrog
Gates now owns part of mac too. He's had stock in them for a long while now. Nothing new.


No amount of money in the world will crush linux, it's here to stay, and it will continue to grow. Want to know why? People love free stuff. And many love giving free stuff.

Also, gates isn't some corporate fiend out to control everything, he just wants his life to be easier, like all of us. Infact he actually has little say in what all goes on.

kipperthefrog
02-11-2005, 03:02 PM
money buys power. money gets crooken judges to rule in your favor so they can get money. I say He has plenty of say so in anything he wants. It is hard to argue with the richest man in America.

El Sitherino
02-11-2005, 03:23 PM
Richest man in the world.

He has little say in microsoft itself, all he is now is a figure head. He has little say in production or anything of the kind. All he does is manage financial business for the company, that's about it.

lukeiamyourdad
02-11-2005, 03:32 PM
Actually, though being the richest man in the world, he has little power compared to the Walton.

kipperthefrog
02-11-2005, 03:42 PM
all rich people have power. They can pay off people.

El Sitherino
02-11-2005, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by kipperthefrog
all rich people have power. They can pay off people. That's a bit hash. Not all rich people are corrupt, just like not all poor people are corrupt. Not everyone has a price. And considering Bills spending habbits, I wouldn't really expect him to pay many people off.

Revan Solo
02-12-2005, 12:05 AM
What means 128 Bits in the PS 2? Is that the processor? Or is it DDR RAM?
And if it is DDR RAM, how many GHz has got the PS 2?