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RpTheHotrod
02-16-2005, 11:32 AM
As everyone knows, they encourage admin abuse, exploits, decreases saber skills, increases spam, destroyed any skill in map navigation, encourages laming, etc...


I found out why Slider implements this.


I was talking to someone (a girl) that talks to Slider. She said she "made" him add another feature.

Pretty much...Slider is taking what a girl says and throws it into his mod.


Talking further to this girl....she admitted that she doesn't even duel. She has no clue what a butterfly or even what sweep is. She says all she does is do full force duels (meaning spamming grip/kick the whole time).


Well...there we go. Now we know why it's all horrible. Slider listens to the suggestions by people just because they are girls...even though they have no experience in actual JKA gameplay and have no idea how to work game balance.


I have the convo saved if you want it.


She claims the features are "cool and fun". She thinks pull/kick spamming people and laming them is "fun". She also thinks the stuff like /amkiss is "soooo coool"


This was my response



RpTheHotrod says:
yes, it's all "fun".....always is. Go to counterstrike and use a wall hack
RpTheHotrod says:
it's fun
RpTheHotrod says:
takes ALL skill out
RpTheHotrod says:
but sure is as hell fun!
RpTheHotrod says:
taking the easy route is always more fun
RpTheHotrod says:
having a command to slay everyone in the entire server would be fun
RpTheHotrod says:
fun isnt always best
Clueless Girl: thats the funniest thing i ever heard
Clueless Girl: GAMES WERE MADE TO HAVE FUN
Clueless Girl: FUN is the reason why people play a game
RpTheHotrod says:
yes but you must balance it
RpTheHotrod says:
otherwise you have abuse
RpTheHotrod says:
rules are there for a reason
Clueless Girl: ye and i balance it just fine ty
RpTheHotrod says:
slider took out all the rules set by the developers themselves and said, "lets all have an orgy fun h4x0r party!" Now you see admins teleporrting all over the place, abusing their powers
RpTheHotrod says:
peopel grappling hook all over the place
RpTheHotrod says:
people jetpacking all over the place
RpTheHotrod says:
you actually time something perfectly with a NORMAL kick (not the jk2 spam kick)
RpTheHotrod says:
what happens
RpTheHotrod says:
are you rewarded with a kill
RpTheHotrod says:
no
RpTheHotrod says:
they just grapple away to safety
RpTheHotrod says:
there is NO counter to grapple
RpTheHotrod says:
seeing it's instant
RpTheHotrod says:
you cant cut the grapple
RpTheHotrod says:
slider gives everyone "get out of jail free" cards. Lamers are rampant
RpTheHotrod says:
anytime yo utry to kill them
RpTheHotrod says:
they grapple across the map


Here's the best quote:

Clueless Girl: i dont like duels i prefer force fights


and she's "suggesting" features to slider and slider accepts them and implements them...

TK-8252
02-16-2005, 11:59 AM
Lemme guess... the feature "she" wanted was that dreadful amkiss right?

RpTheHotrod
02-16-2005, 12:52 PM
Yes

Nokill
02-16-2005, 01:04 PM
ill yust say this anyone that talks to slider and gives him GOOD! adice will probally get something added

*i helped a litle whit the weathere stuf some time ago*

maby you can come whit some idears to go agains admin abuse and all

and yes i know ho that girl whas becouse there are only 2 famous girls doing jka and only one not dueling that many ;)

acdcfanbill
02-16-2005, 07:13 PM
of course they love force fights, with 0 regen no one ever dies, of course, they disable all the darkside powers, so that makes it even more 'balanced'

Amidala from Chop Shop
02-16-2005, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by Amidala
...Third, I have nothing personal against slider. My only problem is with his mod and how it enables and encourages behavior that drives players away from this game that we all love (if we didn't love it we wouldn't be arguing like this).

And, as far as I can tell, he is not a bad or evil person, and he is probably actually a pretty nice person in real life. I think he has been very restrained with me despite the merciless scorn I have heaped upon his mod, so I thank him for that.

Actually, I think part of the problem with JA+ is that slider is too nice a guy. He doesn't like to say NO when people suggest really dumb features. He is too eager to please some of the worst segments of this community, and that is his downfall. You see, if your children only want to eat candy and ice cream for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, you, as a responsible adult, have to realize it's not in your children's best interests to grant their wishes and feed them nothing but candy and ice cream until they are obese and all of their teeth rot and fall out. You have to say NO. Even if slider is saying NO to 90% of the stupidest suggestions for features for JA+, 10% are still being added.


http://www.pcgamemods.com/forum/topicdisplay.php?t=95971&page=5

Kurgan
02-17-2005, 06:05 AM
Interesting.

Of course this blows the theory that he just listens to girls!

razorace
02-17-2005, 07:10 AM
Clarification. Slider did the code work for the majority of the stuff in the trailer as far as I know. Granted, there is OJP material that you can see in there but most of the stuff is Slider's. I'm actually impressed with what he's come up with from what I've seen in the trailer.

The only issue I have is that Slider hasn't submitted any of this interesting stuff to OJP after using OJP material. It's not a huge deal, but I'd still like to see Slider contribute something.

- Razor Ace

RpTheHotrod
02-17-2005, 08:53 AM
Originally posted by Nokill
ill yust say this anyone that talks to slider and gives him GOOD! adice will probally get something added

*i helped a litle whit the weathere stuf some time ago*

maby you can come whit some idears to go agains admin abuse and all

and yes i know ho that girl whas becouse there are only 2 famous girls doing jka and only one not dueling that many ;)

I have given him several good suggestions ( and every single reply after my suggestion was all thumbs up ). Slider responded saying that his mod is fine already and perfectly balanced.

So no...if you got a good idea to suggest, it's doubtful it'll be implemented. It has to be "fun and unbalancing" to have consideration to be implemented.

Slider isn't really a bad guy, it's just that he has no common sense or experience in balancing gameplay. He adds "features" that are "fun" while ignoring the consequences of implementing them.


I'll repost what someone once posted


The core of the problem is this....every other FPS ever made on the Quake engine had a responsible mod making community, and a competitive minded player community. The modding community made mods to improve the competitive aspect of the game, which is what the players were looking for. This was not so in JK series. Modders like Slider (huge delerious newbies when it comes to the game) are quite clueless about the game from a competitive standpoint and were totally irresponsible in what content they added to their mod. They were totally unconcerned with the competitive aspect of the game, and instead catered to their own RPG desires. Their mods truly did ruin the gameplay of JKA on any competitive level whatsoever. Their mods are centered towards dumbing the game down for newbies, and giving bitter kiddie admins tools to take out their e-rage on superior players.

The mods made by Slider stand as the worst things ever to happen to this series from a competitive standpoint. They are complete clueless newbies. If you play on one of their mods, know that you are playing a mod made by someone without even the slightest understanding of game balance. If you are simply looking for a mod that will add JK2 style flip kicking without altering the core balance of the game, and still retaining all of the complex competitive aspects, get Xmod. Here are a few alterations to the basejka game which show the extreme newbishness of the creators of these mods:

1) 0 force regen. This is standard with their mod. The legit competitive setting determined by raven is and always has been (even in jk2) 200. By setting it to 0, it allows extreme spamming, and makes lightsiders all but invincable (on 0 regen you can heal 100 points every 5 seconds...LOL..newbies). Also, it removes all percision from the game. On legit settings every last move you make has to count. If you foul up a pull kick and miss, you will pay for it by losing precious force. In 0 you can just spam over and over and you never get penalized for sqrewing up a move since you can do it again over and over and know you will get your force back basically instantly. Retarded. A skilled player such as myself is basically invincable with lightside on 0 regen.

2) Absorb + Protect at the same time (WTF LOL). When I first saw this I was laughing my ****ing ass off. As if their mod didn't already unbalance everything enough in favor of lightsiders, now they make this stock. For you newbies out there, in the base game you cannot absorb and protect at the same time (for damn good reasons). Thanks, newbie modders. This just goes to show how clueless these modders are.

3) Grapplehooks and Jetpacks. Rubbish. The JKA maps are so great. They have so many little tricks and movement tactics. These maps were never meant to be played with these cheats, and these cheats make them extremely retarded. Raven intended players to have to master skills like wall climbing and strafe jumping. They intended players to actually have to learn to navigate maps the legit way. By adding these cheats not only do you make everyone invincable in an FFA, but you totally ruin map navigation. Idiots.


There are tons of other ridiculous tweaks these newbs made to the out of the box game. Including tweaks to sabers and blocking. I don't really feel like getting into it, as I feel my above points clearly showed what morons these guys are.

Despite the insults, it's all true.

People like slider act before thinking...and someone like that...especially adding things just because "omg omg it's a girl!", is definetly NOT someone you want on a development team of any sort.

zag
02-17-2005, 08:56 AM
i agree with razorace, the stuffslider has coded in shown in the trail is impressive, but i find it insulting that he hasnt submitted this stuff to OJP razorace should go kick some ass:)

Nokill
02-17-2005, 09:03 AM
well im trying to let him make a special version of ja+ that will leave almost evrything normal exept the duel start health and more duels at the same time and the plugin stuf ;)

and don't forget most of the servers make the dmg configs themselfs and slider his dmg stuf is not all that difrent from base jka
*it has been tested*

only the headshots and stuf is pretty iritating and you do his a lot faster in some conditions

ill keep you peeps posted

RpTheHotrod
02-17-2005, 09:03 AM
Originally posted by Amidala from Chop Shop
http://www.pcgamemods.com/forum/topicdisplay.php?t=95971&page=5

and what really ticks me off is how Slider shrugs it off and blames it on the community.

He sets the crappy settings ON by default. He says if the admins wanted it off, they could turn it off.

Fact

Admins don't know HOW most of the time and....

Fact

even if they did, they are too lazy to change the server settings.



If slider wants to play it smart, he should make all the bs stuff off by default (ie grapple hook, flipkick, 0 force regen, jetpack, etc...) and let the admins turn them on if they really wanted it on.

and nokill, what I'd like to see is the COMBAT SYSTEM of BladeMod (that's the BWN server mod) for FFA....with perhaps maybe some admin abilities like JA+....but NONE....of JA+s "gameplay" features.

razorace
02-17-2005, 09:47 AM
I thought BladeMod was just a modification of the .sab files. There's no new COMBAT SYSTEM, right?

Anyway, I understand why Slider turns features on by default. People aren't very good about reading manuals so they normally won't see your cool/new features unless they are on by default.

RpTheHotrod
02-17-2005, 10:24 AM
Then he freely has them enabled, claiming it's other people's fault for having it enabled. Fact is...most don't know how to turn it off. His "side" is flawed.

He puts the most unbalancing and skill ruining things into the jka community them blames others for using it.

razorace
02-17-2005, 10:30 AM
Right, well, if there's balancing issues, that's a design problem, not just something wrong with having it defualt on.

Slider744
02-17-2005, 02:29 PM
let me say you would be impressed how people are tuning all the mods JA+ options like they want.....

i even often see server that only enable 20% of the ja+ cool new things.....
they twick everything in the server.Cfg



that is why i made the trailer....
and this is quite interesting the number of emails i received asking me how to enable some attacks i coded in the 1.3 version of the mod when it is now 2.3......
so most people even don't know things that are default on but the main admin remove them and nobody knows them

For your girl thing, let me explain to your matchist behaviour that the amkiss is made mainly for movies and funny rpg lovers.....

NOw let me say that i will not read all your comments analisis taking all my world and quoting all my single word to show i am wrong.....


you will also take i am sure plenty of comments in other forums, spamming this topics until making it unreadable

go ON
this is what you best do

TK-8252
02-17-2005, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by Slider744
i am wrong.....

By god, he finally admits it.


For the simple people: this was intended to be facetious.

Slider744
02-17-2005, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by TK-8252
i know i am an idiot

TK-8252
02-17-2005, 02:57 PM
Well if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black. :p

BTW, you actually said "i am wrong" in your post. kthxbai ;)

FallenAngel
02-17-2005, 03:28 PM
It never ceases to amaze me that the best coder in JKA history has terrible grammar and spelling. Even worse is that the said best coder has made terrible mods that have completely killed a game and made it all "warm and cuddly," for lack of a better term. The mod is completely biased in favor of the "honorable leet bow players who know their skill," and completely against the people who cut the crap and play the game.

My main question is pretty simple. Why? Why do you continue to do this, slider? Have you not seen how bad the servers are? I've been banned from some obscene number of JKA servers for "being teh unhonorablez lamzor" and whatnot, and not to my suprise is that almost all of these were equipped with JA+.

I've been banned from servers just for winning, but I've also been teleported around and into death zones just for beating a clan leader. Whoops, I didn't bow. To the abyss with me! There was a reason that Ravensoft took out certain features, and yet here you are crusading to put them back in. I personally enjoy grip kicking, but it gets a bit tedious trying to kill someone who can just grapple to safety, and who can just hit the emote button to avoid dying.

Tell me this, Slider. Why do you make these features that you know will be abused? If the admin wanted them off, he would turn them off. Unfortunately, thanks to you, no administrator would EVER disable their trusty /amslap or /amthrowplayerintosomestupidplacebecauseicouldn'tki llhim.
Sure, it's their house and their rules, but that doesn't justify what YOU have done. You have given them nukes, taught them how they work, suggested that they use the weapons to their fullest, and yet you expect them to just "turn it off?"

The players are the ones getting screwed out of the game. I haven't played anywhere but ChopShop for the past half of a year, and that's because I've been banned from servers armed with your crap. If I haven't been banned, it will be because I haven't gone there. I'm convinced that Amidala is the only person who has half of a brain left in this world.

Another thing you failed to note is that often times, turning off your damages doesn't do jack squat. By this, I mean that even when your multiplayer saber damages and crappy moves are disabled, the damages are still different from the default ones. While you think that the MP damages are "better," you have to keep in mind that such a thought is YOUR opinion, and not that of the entire rest of the community. Your added moves and added commands have been put there because YOU don't know how a game was meant to be played, and so you are going to turn off the instant kill of a misplaced butterfly, and YOU are going to make it so you can take a squat instead of getting killed. Such at gripthrowing? No problem! Just teleport them into a hole. Suck at defending from a gripthrow? No worries, we'll just grappple and jetpack to safety. Hell, you can even set a single command to do most of these if you have half of a brain with the console.

Slider, the reason your mod isn't good by ANY standards is because you listen TOO much from the community. Most of the people who you are going to talk to have become pissed off because someone hit them while they were drinking a cup of tea. Most of the people who play the game like a normal person don't bother to talk to you, and for good reason. The game WAS just fine. It isn't anymore, and I guaruntee you a handful of us have you to thank.

And so I will. Thanks, Slider! You've wrecked what was once a fairly solid game, and you've made it a pain in the ass for the rest of us who just want to go in and kill, and ignore the new concept of a 3D Chatroom with pretty graphics. You're the best!

razorace
02-17-2005, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by TK-8252
Well if that isn't...pot. :p

TK-8252
02-17-2005, 03:34 PM
Pot or not, whatever Slider's smoking give some here! :D

FallenAngel
02-17-2005, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by FallenAngel
RORLFORLFLAWLER

El Sitherino
02-17-2005, 05:02 PM
I have to agree with the big post FallenAngel made.

Admin mods have really ruined the community.

Darth Kaan
02-17-2005, 07:11 PM
This is totally off subject, but I just want to thank Razorace for all his hard work on OJP and anyone else envolved with it. Hands down, it's the most productive mod in the history of JA.

razorace
02-17-2005, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by Darth Kaan
This is totally off subject, but I just want to thank Razorace for all his hard work on OJP and anyone else envolved with it. Hands down, it's the most productive mod in the history of JA.

Thanks Kaan.

*sound of the thread derailing*

Nokill
02-18-2005, 01:01 AM
im in a litle nagosiation whit slider on a JA- mod ;)
wjit all options off only the duel stuf set right and normal base stuf in it *no special moves*

an yes the admins make it crappy :mad:
even i can have a nice time in a ja+ server as long there are no admins slapping evryone for nothing

Kurgan
02-18-2005, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by FallenAngel
The players are the ones getting screwed out of the game. I haven't played anywhere but ChopShop for the past half of a year, and that's because I've been banned from servers armed with your crap. If I haven't been banned, it will be because I haven't gone there. I'm convinced that Amidala is the only person who has half of a brain left in this world.


While I agree with much of the sentiment you expressed, and I love Amidala as much as the next person (not in a romantic way mind you, no restraining orders required), I don't think you give us enough credit. There are those of us who DO feel that the "honorz/RPG" faction is completely clueless and mods like sliders are the downfall of the community. My servers have always been of the purist variety, and there is a purist community that exists. Our numbers may even be growing (judging by the amount of people bashing slider/JA+ I've seen lately), who knows?

Don't give up hope. Well, if you do, don't blame everyone for it.

Darth Kaan
02-19-2005, 03:10 AM
This is exactly why the truly avid players remaining, play only on their favorite servers or stick to baseja servers.

Amidala from Chop Shop
02-19-2005, 07:40 AM
slider is considering removing TWO commands (ampunish and amslay) from the next version of JA+ mod.

I think it is very important that everyone reading this goes to slider's forum immediately, registers, and votes on whether TWO of the abusive commands should be removed http://japlus.fragism.com/gl-bin/forum/

I am not telling anyone how they should vote. If you think those commands (ampunish and amslay) should stay in, then vote your opinion

Also, I don't think it is a good idea to go there and argue or criticize JA+. You will just get your posts deleted and yourself banned. Let your vote, whatever it is, do your talking for you.

TK-8252
02-19-2005, 07:47 AM
He's decided that slap and slay will be removed (even though the poll is in favor of keeping them, go figure).

Good decision, Slider. :thumbsup:

shukrallah
02-19-2005, 05:45 PM
It doesn't matter if slider removes the commands. Common sence people, even if slider removes ALL the abusive commands, and all the unbalancing game commands, people will only use the older versions that give them what they want. Why upgrade if they can't slap people, or be superadmin? They won't. They will just stick to the same next abusive version and continue what they were doing.

Amidala from Chop Shop
02-19-2005, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by TK-8252
He's decided that slap and slay will be removed (even though the poll is in favor of keeping them, go figure).

Good decision, Slider. :thumbsup:

Amslap, amslay, and ampunish will be removed. Also, admins won't be able to amtele players to kill zones like lava.

And, the tide has turned. There are now more votes to remove the commands than keep them.

Originally posted by lukeskywalker1
It doesn't matter if slider removes the commands. Common sence people, even if slider removes ALL the abusive commands, and all the unbalancing game commands, people will only use the older versions that give them what they want. Why upgrade if they can't slap people, or be superadmin? They won't. They will just stick to the same next abusive version and continue what they were doing.

Yes, the abusive admins who are addicted to those commands will resist upgrading, but, as I posted on my own forum

You gotta start somewhere. If he takes out those commands I will praise the next version as the best version of JA+ ever, and it will be true.

Yes our work is far from over, but this is definitely a huge gain. Now instead of telling currently JA+ users to switch to a different mod or basejka, we can tell them that they should definitely use the latest version. We can also point out the only reason that someone wouldn't upgrade is because they are an abusive admin, there really isn't any other reason.

We can also tell the community to avoid servers with earlier (2.2 and older) versions because that = abusive server. That will put more pressure on people to upgrade.

Don't underestimate this. The battle goes on but this is a major turningpoint.

Even some of the JA+ using admins on slider's forum are agreeing that those commands are "over the top" as one of them said.

El Sitherino
02-19-2005, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by Kurgan
Our numbers may even be growing (judging by the amount of people bashing slider/JA+ I've seen lately) I doubt it, I think it's just we're very vocal about our dislike of the admin mods.

Anyway, good on ya Slider. My only problem is those abuse commands, but I still prefer old school adminning. Everything you need to get the job done is in the game. I don't mind those extras like /amkiss and such. If people wanna kiss in a game, I don't mind. They just shouldn't whine when I jam a saber in them. ;)

Nokill
02-20-2005, 03:12 AM
its yust like a gun its not the creator of the gun its not the gun but its the finger pulling the trigger ho kills someone ;)

Slider744
02-20-2005, 04:32 AM
Originally posted by Nokill
its yust like a gun its not the creator of the gun its not the gun but its the finger pulling the trigger ho kills someone ;)

i agree, but as some people exploit my mod in a way i don't want, i am obliged to control the use of those admin cmd in the real sense i always wanted...

==> Some of the admin cmds are only rpg cmds to enforce rpg hounour code...
this iis not a way of dominate or easilty kill players...
the next version of JA+ will full protecte lamers (player sleeped or ghosted...etc...)....
the admins will be able to protect their server rules with a good effienccy without having the possibility of abuse players...

PS: even if this act goes in the direction you wanted, i have to disagree with most of Amidala and kurgan speaches....
YOu always lies on a lot of things about me....often implying i have not talent, i stole a lot things...etc....
All the things you say are often totally wrong....and you say those things most of time only to try to decrease JA+ popularity or to make hidden advertize of your chop chop server....

Amidala you are a fanactic man...
you wil have to learn that your point of view is not universal...
You are not enough open minded according to me and this is not a prooff of intelligence.....
Only silly people never change their minds and i will always keep convince of that ^^ (just a joke)....

your ethernal rage against rpg players is totally silly....
THere are players who like to play with rpg honour rules and other with real gamer rules...and also some who like both (in particular me)
the JK series will always be apart in the gaming experience...
this is a fatality because it is coming from the movie (sith vs jedi, the good vs evil, ...etc.....)

this said, i never wanted my mod be used to abuse people....
that is why i decided all those changes

here is is an extract from the readme of the mod i am doing




Admin Abuse control improved : I was working on gameplay addition and i let the admin system like it was.
But i can't continue like that.
A minority of players is using the mod JA+ in a bad way in order to terorize players and abuse them.
I therefore decided to remake the whole admin system in order to force admins to use the JA+ tools better.
the goal is to make the admin cmds beeing able to enforce your server rules witout letting
to the admins the possibility of abusing and terorizing players. Each server owner has the right to set the rules he wants on its own server. This is a right.
But an admin mUSt not abuse and scare players when they don't follow the admin rules. Admins often forget that players have also rights :
the right to be respected as well as the server rules.
I therefore was obliged because of those bad admins to make the server scanning for bad behaviour and block those bad admin behaviour.
Remember that the JA+ mod is able to autoBan an admin when he uses too many admin cmds on players in a determined period (look at jp_antiAdmAbuseTimer ).
this is usefull for a server owner who is afraid of the admin's behaviour when he is not in the server.
Of course if he is afraid of some immature admins, he should't give them admin powers.
Rememver that each time an admin abuses on the server, the players will tend to go on another server and never come back on this server.
SO admins, if you want to play alone, this is your choice but it will not be funny for you.
SO now don't expect the JA+ to be exploitable to give admins a terozing domination on players. JA+ is not made for that....Some of the admin cmd are only rpg cmds
to reinforce academy clan rules and master/padawans learning system....etc...IF player are not respecting your server rules, JA+ will let you warn them and explain them your rules without
attacking them while they are sleeped or whatever other cmds.
- Honour admin cmd only usable in FFA : FFA is the only gametype that could be compliant with honour code...
Others gametype are competitive gametype. DOn't forget to use the vstr.cfg file in order to switch from a gametype to another in competitive way
(it will for exemple auto disable the grapple hook in ctf and more.... look in this file to learn how to use it)
- Protection of players to prevent admin abuse : sleeped, ghosted, mindtricked...etc.. players will be GOD and other players will not be able to use force on them.
SO they are not killable and are full protected.
- Admin Flood protect : admin can't use an admin cmd on a player more than 1 per minute. SO admin will not be able to flood a admin cmd on a player.
- amtele abuse protection : you will not be able to use forces on a teleported player during a short time in order to prevent bad behaviour like teleporting + push to send player in lava.
you now can't teleport a player if there is lava or trigger_hurt under the teleport destination.
Teleport is not made to abuse player and kill them so now, players can refuse to be teleported by admins with the /refuseTele cmd.
- amempower will now only give you all forces without prevent people from using them on you. Ideal to teach your padawan how to use force.
- amslay removed and replaced by amShowMotd : yes i saw some admins warning people by slaying them!!!!!!!!
now if you want to warn, just use /say or /tell or /amShowMotd to show the rules to the player.
- amslap removed for the same reason.
- ampunish removed for the same reason : use sleep or ghost or mindtrick instead =>
it will let you explain your rules to the player without make him become frustrated and without beeing able to abuse on him.(I didn't code JA+ to abuse)


PS 2 : PLease STOP QUOTING EVERY SINGLE WORD OR SINGLE SENTENCE in all your forums outside ot the context....

it tend to increase the size of your topic by 2 and eveyr body stop reading almost if this is flaming post.....

but as i said , this is what you best do
(at least what i saw you best do, don't you kurgan and amidala?)

RpTheHotrod
02-20-2005, 06:58 AM
This is #include.

Despite how much Slider has ruined JKA, I'll say these things.

First...yes...don't quote out of context. That's just plain immature :p

Second... I don't knock down the coding "skill" of Slider. He has skill coding, that's for sure, but he lacks the common sense to balance gameplay with that coding.


Slider...for crying out loud, if you are going to add a massively unbalancing thing like grappling hook, add a fricken counter to it. Don't say that pushing it is the counter. It's almost instant, and they can cancel their grapple within a split second and do another. Make it not instant (like it is now almost), and make it "destroyable"...ie cutting it with a saber throw. If it's cut, they can't use it again for another 5-10 seconds. I'm sick of your mod allowing lamers to run rampant with pull/kick and anytime someone attacks them back, they vanish in a blink of an eye with grapple. If it's truly a travel hack, well, it'll still work just fine, seeing they arn't being attacked when spawned far away. I'm also sick of people doing a move and then grappling to you from across the room.

Many of your "features" are very exploitable. Grapple...people use it to lame people, or do specials then use it to instantly warp across anywhere and instantly killing a person. Flipkick...people pull/kick or grip/kick like there's no tomorrow...and they arn't even penalized for messing it up with force regen being 0.

What are "force fights" ALWAYS? Grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/drain/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/draingrip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/drain. That's IT. They might throw in a few saber throw/pulls...but generally that's it. If they are light side, it's pull kick/ pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/heal/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/heal.

How on earth is this a duel? Duels have become a joke.

And also....sweep....why is this a 1 hit kill move almost everytime, and easily spammable. That's all you see people do. Staff and duals are a huge joke. It's all "sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep"

What happened to the duels and skill in this game?

That right there is the reason I made this site:
http://www.jaguarfx.net/hotrod/jka/index.htm

Teaches people to use skill without sweep, spam, or BF spam despite the perversion of "skill" you see in ja+

Why does red...designed to have the lowest defense...suddenly an invulnerability shield if you walk around? It now has the highest defense and highest attack? Blue had little offense because it was supposed to be a defensive stance. Red had little defense because it was an offensive stance. Why was red given ultimate "power"?

If you want some real saber combat balance...go to a BWN server (blademod) and duel there.


If you want to truly balance something without modifying your "precious" high dmg, make it impossible for someone to swing left/right more than 1 left and 1 right. That's just realistic. Take a sword in real life, and then start swinging it wild left/right over and over. You'll feel like a retard. It DOESN'T HAPPEN in sword fights. If you don't have the ability to do so...then reduce the damage of left/right spam to encourage people finding A N O T H E R way to actually attack their opponent.

And if you want to challenge my skill with my saber, feel free to look me up sometime. My ingame name is #include. I've gone 379/7 in BWN servers....that's tournament style...not some gay ja+ 1 hit kill sweep whore server. Sweepers are a waste of my time in ja+, and I will just BF spam them everytime they try to do it.

As for adminslap... if you remove it, what will admins to do warn? Kick? I advise leaving slap in...but have a cooldown effect of using again for 15 seconds.



Also, what is the #1 thing that kills me?

You're stupid "allownewdfa". Someone comes at me, what is something I do? I run at them, jumping over their head while attacking with the base of my saber. However, randomly, you're stupid "saber twirl" happens. I am STUCK for 3 seconds...UNABLE TO MOVE OR DEFEND MYSELF. Always kills me. Why do you FORCE my guy to randomly (and I say randomly because it just "happens". Yes I know what causes it...but do you know how often you will be jumping and attacking at same time while going a direction? I'd rather it do a random BF than a random move that gets you stuck INSIDE THE GROUND and UNABLE TO MOVE or DEFEND YOURSELF) do a move? Tell me...in a fight....would you...ever...do a move you didnt want to do? NO! When you are playing vs someone, does your guy just say HEY! I wanna do a kata! and does a kata? No. Now...me...personally, in this game...I DO NOT WANT to EVER do that gay twirl move...so WHY DOES MY GUY DO IT? Fricken disable it. It's useless half the time. You just get stuck.

In this game, you should NEVER do a special you don't intend on doing. It's simple. You're "guy" would never just randomly do a special move he wouldn't want to do (roleplaying-wise, if you will). Yet, that fricken thing always go off, all the time.


My suggestion: If you want to keep the move in...then have an option somewhere under profile to DISABLE THE ABILITY to do the move FOR YOURSELF.

I should NOT be doing a move I don't want to do. I don't see how it's fair that you can force people to do moves ingame. They paid for the game, it's their player, and you are controlling their character with this random (and poor) attack.

Ever notice when people die from it, it's always, "wtf, didnt mean to do that." and they get angry? It's rediculous. You can have a lot of skill, and STILL die to a newbie all because your allownewdfa move goes off.

If you're not going to remove the SP moves...then please...allow a way to disable DOING the move via client side for that player. It's wrong to dictate and force things on others just because you run an adminmod.

LightNinja
02-20-2005, 07:49 AM
Hotrod is right, but as always slider wont do nothing, well slider, you have great coding skills and all but thanks for ****ing up JA and dont go to jk2 if possible :rolleyes:, also i hope OJP makes more popular than that **** of mod

Amidala from Chop Shop
02-20-2005, 07:55 AM
Originally posted by Slider744
Amidala you are a fanactic man...
you wil have to learn that your point of view is not universal...
You are not enough open minded according to me and this is not a prooff of intelligence.....
Only silly people never change their minds and i will always keep convince of that ^^ (just a joke)....

your ethernal rage against rpg players is totally silly....
THere are players who like to play with rpg honour rules and other with real gamer rules...and also some who like both (in particular me)
the JK series will always be apart in the gaming experience...
this is a fatality because it is coming from the movie (sith vs jedi, the good vs evil, ...etc.....)

As I have said many times before, I really wouldn't care what people did on their own servers IF THEY WOULD PUT A PASSWORD ON THE SERVER SO UNSUSPECTING PLAYERS LOOKING FOR A REAL FFA WEREN'T MISLED INTO BARGING INTO THEIR TEA PARTIES!

g_password is the most useful under-used feature out there. If clans are having a meeting or practice session or play-acting session or whatever, and they don't want "lamers" to bother them, then put a password on the server during that time. They can always take it off later. Problem solved with no misunderstandings and no abuse.

The CTF pickup game (pug) servers all use passwords, but all of the servers use the same password and everyone in the community knows the password: "ctfpug". They do that because pug servers are designed to have balanced 4 v 4 teams with everyone else spectating until they get picked for a team. They don't want people who don't know this to join the server, start playing and unbalance the teams. It's a system that works very well, with no need for abusive commands (most serious CTF players hate all mods, even those specifically designed for CTF and coded by members of the CTF community. They are purists and consider only the base game to be pure).

In an ideal world, if some servers are going to misuse and pervert the Free For All (FFA) deathmatch gametype for chatting, RPGing, amkissing, and dueling, then all of those servers would all use the same password and everyone would know the password, just like the CTF pug servers. Use "nolaming" or something like that. That way all the players who liked to spend\waste their time doing that could do that without being bothered by "lamers", and new players wouldn't unknowingly go to those servers looking for a normal game and get abused. Everyone who liked that kind of thing could get into any server using that password without worrying about being bothered. If some misguided idiot used the password to intentionally go there and bother people, then kick and range ban. Not everyone has a dynamic IP, and a temporary range ban pretty much keeps them out. Problem solved with no misunderstandings and no abuse.

The problem is that "no laming" server operators aren't aware of or don't know how to use the password feature, and many of them secretly enjoy having "lamers" come to their servers so they can use their God-like admin powers and feel important by "teaching lamers a lesson". Putting a password on the server would prevent that and take away most of their "fun", and most of the reason for their being there. After all, if there is no "laming" then you don't really need "admins". That thought terrifies them.

A lot of these teens want the "prestige" of being an "admin". slider, you know this from the number who are always asking you to be an admin on your servers. No "laming" going on means no need for "admins". That's why so many like these rules, it justifies existence of the "admin", which so many of them want so desperately to be.

slider, if you really wanted to be clever, you could make your mod have a feature where only people who are dueling have lightsabers that can do damage. If you aren't actively dueling, then your lightsaber does no damage. If a new person who isn't aware of what is going on joins the server and starts hacking away, nothing happens (most of those servers have no scary guns or frightning Force powers, so those aren't an issue). Same thing with someone trying to "lame" people intentionally, their slashing away does nothing.

Before the patch came out and while the master list was bugged and my servers often were empty, I ran one of them as a melee-only "fight club" where people used only punches, kicks, and melee kata moves. I disabled guns and Force powers, but I wasn't able to completely disable the lightsaber. So I just set g_saberdamagescale "0" and anyone who tried to use a lightsaber found that it didn't do anything.

slider, games have rules (the ones that came in the manual). The official rule for Free For All is "Defeat your opponents to score points". This is how the official Jedi Academy manual describes the Free For All gametype:


Page 36 of the official Jedi Academy manual:
FREE FOR ALL
Best summed up as every person for him or herself, players score points by eliminating other players, and no one can be considered an ally. Weapons and equipment are acquired in the field, unless specified on the server. Some options include whether to allow Force powers or not and the maximum Force level available.

If some servers want to misuse and pervert the Free For All gametype for chatting, "RPGing", amkissing, and dueling, FINE, GO AHEAD, but at that point they should admit that THEY are the ones breaking the official rules, THEY are the ones running their servers differently from normal, THEY are the ones who are behaving abnormally, not the so-called "lamers". THEY are the ones who should have to accommodate the normal players, not the other way around. It is just plain IMMORAL for the people behaving abnormally (by chatting, RPGing, and dueling in the FFA gametype) to punish the people who are playing the normal way.

I see so often people saying "I have the RIGHT to have 'no laming' and other rules on my server", as if their "rights" are absolute (no limits as to what rules they can have).

All rights have limits. You can have the right to free speech, but you can't yell "FIRE!" in a crowded movie theatre. You can have the right to freedom of the press, but you can't publish child pornography. The rights of server operators are not unlimited. They do not have the right to abuse, humiliate, and terrorize players who are playing the game the normal way, driving them out of the game and destroying the community in the process.

With rights come responsibilities, including the responsibility to not destroy the community for all of us while enforcing their rules.


Originally posted by Slider744
PS 2 : PLease STOP QUOTING EVERY SINGLE WORD OR SINGLE SENTENCE in all your forums outside ot the context....

it tend to increase the size of your topic by 2 and eveyr body stop reading almost if this is flaming post.....



;) Slider, you are confusing me with Vicodin and Chris J., they are are the ones that quote sentence-by-sentence. And I have suggested to them that it isn't the most effective way to communicate. And I almost always provide the whole paragraph so the quote is in context.

But anyway slider, thank you for promising to do what you are planning to do. I really admire your actions, and I will be happy to endorse the 2.3 version of JA+ mod as the best one yet and the only version that people using your mod should use.

TK-8252
02-20-2005, 08:14 AM
Originally posted by Amidala from Chop Shop
The problem is that "no laming" server operators aren't aware of or don't know how to use the password feature, and many of them secretly enjoy having "lamers" come to their servers so they can use their God-like admin powers and feel important by "teaching lamers a lesson". Putting a password on the server would prevent that and take away most of their "fun", and most of the reason for their being there. After all, if their is no "laming" then you don't really need "admins". That thought terrifies them.

A lot of these teens want the "prestige" of being an "admin". slider, you know this from the number who are always asking you to be an admin on your servers. No "laming" going on means no need for "admins". That's why so many like these rules, it justifies existence of the "admin", which so many of them want so desperately to be.

slider, if you really wanted to be clever, you could make your mod have a feature where only people who are dueling have lightsabers that can do damage. If you aren't actively dueling, then your lightsaber does no damage. If a new person who isn't aware of what is going on joins the server and starts hacking away, nothing happens (most of those servers have no scary guns or frightning Force powers, so those aren't an issue). Same thing with someone trying to "lame" people intentionally, their slashing away does nothing.

You hit the nail on the head. I remember I tried to get my old clan to use xMod for its convenient auto-admin and anti-laming features, but alas, they refused it because there was no reason to be an admin anymore, and went back to JA+. That's just sad. It's like without a reason to have admin powers, they might as well not even have a server.

El Sitherino
02-20-2005, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by Nokill
its yust like a gun its not the creator of the gun its not the gun but its the finger pulling the trigger ho kills someone ;) And like gun makers, mod makers should be responsible in their craft. They shouldn't give way to let abuse happen.

TK-8252
02-20-2005, 10:21 AM
Oh please, that gun analogy is totally and completely irrelivant. To have a gun you have to have the licenses, training, and you're held responsible for your actions. Not to mention you have to pay for it. There is absolutely nothing like this for admin mods. What happens if you abuse admin powers? You don't get fined, go to jail, or get executed. Maybe if the server is respectable eventually you'll get fired, but most servers encourage abuse from what I've seen.

RpTheHotrod
02-21-2005, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by RpTheHotrod
This is #include.

Despite how much Slider has ruined JKA, I'll say these things.

First...yes...don't quote out of context. That's just plain immature :p

Second... I don't knock down the coding "skill" of Slider. He has skill coding, that's for sure, but he lacks the common sense to balance gameplay with that coding.


Slider...for crying out loud, if you are going to add a massively unbalancing thing like grappling hook, add a fricken counter to it. Don't say that pushing it is the counter. It's almost instant, and they can cancel their grapple within a split second and do another. Make it not instant (like it is now almost), and make it "destroyable"...ie cutting it with a saber throw. If it's cut, they can't use it again for another 5-10 seconds. I'm sick of your mod allowing lamers to run rampant with pull/kick and anytime someone attacks them back, they vanish in a blink of an eye with grapple. If it's truly a travel hack, well, it'll still work just fine, seeing they arn't being attacked when spawned far away. I'm also sick of people doing a move and then grappling to you from across the room.

Many of your "features" are very exploitable. Grapple...people use it to lame people, or do specials then use it to instantly warp across anywhere and instantly killing a person. Flipkick...people pull/kick or grip/kick like there's no tomorrow...and they arn't even penalized for messing it up with force regen being 0.

What are "force fights" ALWAYS? Grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/drain/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/draingrip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/grip kick/drain. That's IT. They might throw in a few saber throw/pulls...but generally that's it. If they are light side, it's pull kick/ pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/heal/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/pull kick/heal.

How on earth is this a duel? Duels have become a joke.

And also....sweep....why is this a 1 hit kill move almost everytime, and easily spammable. That's all you see people do. Staff and duals are a huge joke. It's all "sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep"

What happened to the duels and skill in this game?

That right there is the reason I made this site:
http://www.jaguarfx.net/hotrod/jka/index.htm

Teaches people to use skill without sweep, spam, or BF spam despite the perversion of "skill" you see in ja+

Why does red...designed to have the lowest defense...suddenly an invulnerability shield if you walk around? It now has the highest defense and highest attack? Blue had little offense because it was supposed to be a defensive stance. Red had little defense because it was an offensive stance. Why was red given ultimate "power"?

If you want some real saber combat balance...go to a BWN server (blademod) and duel there.


If you want to truly balance something without modifying your "precious" high dmg, make it impossible for someone to swing left/right more than 1 left and 1 right. That's just realistic. Take a sword in real life, and then start swinging it wild left/right over and over. You'll feel like a retard. It DOESN'T HAPPEN in sword fights. If you don't have the ability to do so...then reduce the damage of left/right spam to encourage people finding A N O T H E R way to actually attack their opponent.

And if you want to challenge my skill with my saber, feel free to look me up sometime. My ingame name is #include. I've gone 379/7 in BWN servers....that's tournament style...not some gay ja+ 1 hit kill sweep whore server. Sweepers are a waste of my time in ja+, and I will just BF spam them everytime they try to do it.

As for adminslap... if you remove it, what will admins to do warn? Kick? I advise leaving slap in...but have a cooldown effect of using again for 15 seconds.



Also, what is the #1 thing that kills me?

You're stupid "allownewdfa". Someone comes at me, what is something I do? I run at them, jumping over their head while attacking with the base of my saber. However, randomly, you're stupid "saber twirl" happens. I am STUCK for 3 seconds...UNABLE TO MOVE OR DEFEND MYSELF. Always kills me. Why do you FORCE my guy to randomly (and I say randomly because it just "happens". Yes I know what causes it...but do you know how often you will be jumping and attacking at same time while going a direction? I'd rather it do a random BF than a random move that gets you stuck INSIDE THE GROUND and UNABLE TO MOVE or DEFEND YOURSELF) do a move? Tell me...in a fight....would you...ever...do a move you didnt want to do? NO! When you are playing vs someone, does your guy just say HEY! I wanna do a kata! and does a kata? No. Now...me...personally, in this game...I DO NOT WANT to EVER do that gay twirl move...so WHY DOES MY GUY DO IT? Fricken disable it. It's useless half the time. You just get stuck.

In this game, you should NEVER do a special you don't intend on doing. It's simple. You're "guy" would never just randomly do a special move he wouldn't want to do (roleplaying-wise, if you will). Yet, that fricken thing always go off, all the time.


My suggestion: If you want to keep the move in...then have an option somewhere under profile to DISABLE THE ABILITY to do the move FOR YOURSELF.

I should NOT be doing a move I don't want to do. I don't see how it's fair that you can force people to do moves ingame. They paid for the game, it's their player, and you are controlling their character with this random (and poor) attack.

Ever notice when people die from it, it's always, "wtf, didnt mean to do that." and they get angry? It's rediculous. You can have a lot of skill, and STILL die to a newbie all because your allownewdfa move goes off.

If you're not going to remove the SP moves...then please...allow a way to disable DOING the move via client side for that player. It's wrong to dictate and force things on others just because you run an adminmod.

I'd like to see slider's response to this.

Darth Kaan
02-22-2005, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by RpTheHotrod
I'd like to see slider's response to this.

I'll second that thought.

Nalukai
02-22-2005, 08:35 PM
well the fact of the matter is everytime you search for a ffa game now 80-90 percent of them are plagued with this horrendous mod... and once you do enter 90 percent of the noobs there are all darkside grip flip users... they run around gripping n kicking u in chat with their saber off then u hit them back you get called LAMER OMFG!!!!111111 and get a kick/ban... i didnt mind it once it came out because push and absorb took care of it... now there is some bs in there to where u can get locked into it and just sit there and die... wow they are so elite... FFA is exactly what it means FREE FOR ALL... and even tho slider had the upmost intentions to make the game better... he inevitably gave the noobs something to ruin it with.. You want to fight with skill go to the Bladeworks network for duels.... we dont have that crap there... and yes u are correct ChopShop /blisterhouse are the only rooms ill even go into again because you stand a 95 percent chance of kickage/bannage from the other idiots for playing ffa the way its sposed to be played... if its and RPG server or a FFA[duelonly] server POST IT

Every Veteran of the game since it came out i have ever talked to cannot stand JA+ its only the nubs that never had a clue that abuse it . It needs to change in a DRASTIC matter to keep ffa from becoming extinct.

btw hotrod ill take the pepsi challenge any day on that duel... :D u can find me on BWN as Shinobi... look me up as well as anyone else that wants to test their skills :)

Nokill
02-23-2005, 09:55 AM
the groops of good skilled ppl are schrinking it seems yes :(
i din't have a lot of paddy's coming to me asking for training in a long time thay all yust well do mean things and swear at you

nah jk2 is better for the time being
good old times are gone :(

Prime
02-23-2005, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by Nokill
good old times are gone :( Which is really unfortunate...

RpTheHotrod
02-23-2005, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by RpTheHotrod
I'd like to see slider's response to this.


Telling ya, I want slider to response. Someone that knows him send him a msg to check my reply.

shukrallah
02-23-2005, 02:43 PM
and even tho slider had the upmost intentions to make the game better... he inevitably gave the noobs something to ruin it with..


Bullcrap.
Thats probably the biggest lie in this thread. Slider had NO intentions at ALL to improve this game. JK2 stated the fact that if you release something like that, the community gets screwed. Slider knew it. He also knew Chosen One was reguarded as one of the best modders in the JK2 community after releasing the dreaded Jedi Academy mod. He knew if he released it he would gain instant fame. The fact that Chosen removed those commands only helped to boost slider's rise to fame.

Even you, the people who's JKA gaming experience has been forever ruined sit here and reguarde him as the best coder in the JKA Community/History.

Bullcrap. He has done nothing no one else hasn't done before. You know it, I know it, he knows it.

Slap, Sleep, Ban, Kick, grapple, jetpack... etc have ALL been done before. Those people figured it out, and so did he. Some people have done these things better than he has.

Nokill
02-23-2005, 08:46 PM
he also got a great deal of ppl tro jedimoves and adverticement
but i have to hand it he dos have the most commands in his mod

keshire
02-23-2005, 10:08 PM
he dos have the most commands in his mod

QUALITY

NOT

QUANTITY

Nokill
02-23-2005, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by keshire
QUALITY

NOT

QUANTITY

you can set the commands off if you don't like

shukrallah
02-24-2005, 12:18 PM
NoKill, by your logic I suggest we just delete the mod. He does have a lot of stuff, but its all low quality. Your post implys that we turn that stuff off, and so we might as well not use the mod.

You missed the point entirley. His mod Sucks. Plain and simple. This isn't a flame, its a fact.

RpTheHotrod
02-24-2005, 06:39 PM
Problem:

Yes, admins can turn it off...but guess what...


When you give someone the option of easy and hard, 95% of people will take easy.

That is why most servers are infested with the ja+ mod...it's "easy mode". High damage, spamalicious sweeps, easy get away with grapple, easy lames, easy spam fights with grip/kick, etc...

El Sitherino
02-25-2005, 01:07 AM
Originally posted by Nokill
you can set the commands off if you don't like Ignoring a problem isn't a wise thing. :p

Rad Blackrose
02-26-2005, 06:10 AM
So when do I get to post, "I told you so?"

RpTheHotrod
02-26-2005, 10:55 AM
Because then we can't play 90% of JKA. Most servers use it because it makes it easy for anyone to kill anyone. They are given a choice between easy and hard...and naturally, most take easy.

Mex
02-27-2005, 04:53 AM
Originally posted by Nokill
well if evryone starts going to baseja servers and not to ja+ anymore then it will go away in time
and more servers will use standart ja

I'm not trying to insult you or anything, but is there a specific reason you have around +2 spelling mistakes and no grammar in your posts? Its just kind of boggling..

On topic : Yeah, JA+ sucks.

LightNinja
02-27-2005, 06:07 AM
Originally posted by Nokill
good old times are gone
Not for me, affortunately i still play with all my friends in jk2, but i'd like to have the same fun that i had at jk2 with JA but i guess that won't ever happen

El Sitherino
02-27-2005, 07:45 AM
Originally posted by Nokill
well if evryone starts going to baseja servers and not to ja+ anymore then it will go away in time
and more servers will use standart ja Except we started with regular, standard JA. Then these crappy admin mods came out for JA and people were like "yes, finally I can abuse people again!"

RpTheHotrod
02-27-2005, 10:58 AM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
Except we started with regular, standard JA. Then these crappy admin mods came out for JA and people were like "yes, finally I can abuse people again!"


Exactly...and on top of that, ja+ makes it easy to win fights and easy to win....so why WOULDNT 95% of the jka community use it?

If you give 2 options...most will naturally take the easiest.

Kurgan
02-27-2005, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by LightNinja
Not for me, affortunately i still play with all my friends in jk2, but i'd like to have the same fun that i had at jk2 with JA but i guess that won't ever happen

I don't see the big difference here. JK2 is also ruled by abusive admin mods and honorz dueling. In fact, moreso than JA (if ASE stats are any indication)!

But I guess if you don't have friends who play JA (the right way, ie: non-honorz/abuse) then I can see why you will stay there. ; p


Slap is an utterly abusive and useless "feature." Since you insist that the admin needs a way to "Get somebody's attention" without kicking them, I can think of a few simple options:

Warn (have big text appear in the center of their screen with the warning).

Freeze (this is abusable, so make it so that while frozen they can't hurt anyone and nobody can hurt them, they take zero damage).

However Freeze is probably a bad idea, because you could do it in mid air to make a person fall to their death. Also he could freeze somebody, set a bunch of mines under them, and then unfreeze so they die.

The fact is, any "powers" like this that affect players, an admin or subadmin can bind to keys and use them to screw with people and get easy kills. It's stupid.

To avoid abuse, Sleep, Slap, Slay, Freeze, Empower, etc. should NOT BE INCLUDED, period. If you put them in a mod, people will use (read: abuse) them.

Remove those commands from JA+ and you're left with a very unbalanced, n00b friendly dueling mod. But hey, it would be a good start...

Darth Smaug
02-28-2005, 06:04 AM
How come the sabers won't work in multiplayer??? when i use a saber of JA+ it's just a ordanary saber.......???

Nokill
02-28-2005, 06:49 AM
becouse you need the plugin for the mod and you have to be on a server that runs the latest version of the mod ;)

Darth Smaug
02-28-2005, 06:54 AM
I have the plugin but do i need to install it???

TK-8252
02-28-2005, 08:26 AM
Originally posted by Darth Smaug
I have the plugin but do i need to install it???

No. You need to install OJP mod.

Darth Smaug
02-28-2005, 08:52 AM
Originally posted by TK-8252
No. You need to install OJP mod.

What is OJP??

TK-8252
02-28-2005, 09:15 AM
A server mod that adds great new features and fixes, and IS NOT abusive and unbalancing (screwing with gameplay) like JA+.

http://ojp.jediknight.net

If you just want the core basejka gameplay with various fixes and some admin features, OJP is your best bet.

Darth Smaug
02-28-2005, 10:05 AM
thanks, but it look just like JA+...

TK-8252
02-28-2005, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by Darth Smaug
thanks, but it look just like JA+...

Then you must be blind.

El Sitherino
02-28-2005, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by Darth Smaug
thanks, but it look just like JA+... o_O... Whatever psychedelic drugs you're on, I want them.

Prime
02-28-2005, 11:16 AM
OJP would definitely be a superior choice, Smaug...

El Sitherino
02-28-2005, 11:21 AM
Three cheers for attachable sabers, RGB blades, and no useless commands in sight!
\o/

Darth Smaug
02-28-2005, 11:23 AM
Then i'll go for OJP :D Psssssssssssssst ..........i can get you the drugs...:D

Amidala from Chop Shop
02-28-2005, 11:53 AM
Darth Smaug, you don't have to limit yourself to only one mod. You can install as many as you want and use all of them, just not all at the same time. You can go to a JA+ server, then a Movie Battles II server, then a ForceMod III server, then a basejka server, all in the same hour.

Many servers use JA+ mod. You don't need to download or install anything to play on them, but there's no reason not to install the JA+ client of you are going to go to JA+ servers.

Many people really like Movie Battles II http://www.moviebattles.com and ForceMod III http://www.pcgamemods.com/6404
http://www.pcgamemods.com/9136
and don't play anything else.

All of them are free, it only costs you the time to download. Download and install all of them and try out all of them.

Darth Smaug
03-02-2005, 02:14 AM
Originally posted by Amidala from Chop Shop
Darth Smaug, you don't have to limit yourself to only one mod. You can install as many as you want and use all of them, just not all at the same time. You can go to a JA+ server, then a Movie Battles II server, then a ForceMod III server, then a basejka server, all in the same hour.

Many servers use JA+ mod. You don't need to download or install anything to play on them, but there's no reason not to install the JA+ client of you are going to go to JA+ servers.

Many people really like Movie Battles II http://www.moviebattles.com and ForceMod III http://www.pcgamemods.com/6404
http://www.pcgamemods.com/9136
and don't play anything else.

All of them are free, it only costs you the time to download. Download and install all of them and try out all of them.



Oh...Ok :)

keshire
03-02-2005, 02:26 AM
Be prepared though. Movie battles 2 is a very team based game. But one of the if not the most balanced.

Nalukai
03-02-2005, 04:02 PM
I really like the concept with movie battles adding a block button for saber combat... still loking to try this out but I think it gives it a MK/ soul caliber feel from what ive read.

[HR]Knight
03-03-2005, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by lukeskywalker1
NoKill, by your logic I suggest we just delete the mod. He does have a lot of stuff, but its all low quality. Your post implys that we turn that stuff off, and so we might as well not use the mod.

You missed the point entirley. His mod Sucks. Plain and simple. This isn't a flame, its a fact.


rofl, that's the biggest and shortest Good point i've seen all day.

keshire
03-03-2005, 07:53 PM
still loking to try this out but I think it gives it a MK/ soul caliber feel from what ive read.

And you'd be greatly mistaken. Plus that would only apply to jedi or sith. There are many classes.

RpTheHotrod
03-04-2005, 09:19 AM
I was unhappy with MB because of how blocking worked. I could even sneak up behind someone and hit them in the back where no saber is even near and they'd still block it 100% as long as they were holding the block key down. It's like a bubble of protection when you hold it down until yo urun out of block points.


Was this changed to a better blocking system in a recent version? If so, I may give it another try.

Jamps
03-04-2005, 11:24 AM
MB's blocking has improved (more realistic) but there are many people who like to use exploit bugs (like the bug that lets you pull away "melee") since the community has expanded.