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Kurgan
03-10-2005, 06:54 PM
So far in the 6 days I've played this game I've had at least two people accuse me of using a "Speed Hack." And one other person wondered if my server allowed "hacker."

I'm not sure if such individuals are confused by the default "speed: 100%" of the servers, just don't know MP (the fact that certain guns let you move faster than others while they are held) or they were just amazed at my strafe jumping ability, but it was definately annoying.

Needless to say these were games where I was winning by a considerable margin, or at least consistently killing such people.

Finally, at least two people have whined about guns. They want all explosive weapons nerfed in the patch. They've also demanded I not use the Heavy Repeater because it's "cheap." ;)

Another time I was playing Assault and my team was successfully defending our base on that one dark map with the theme similar to the demo (sorry I haven't learned the names of the map yet). The other team whined that by using the Anti Armor and Shotgun, we were being "cheap." LoL!

Now nobody knows how to boot players yet, but even if they could, this was my server. These folks obviously didn't know who I was, or how to play the game (the cheat accusers). The "nerf" whiners did know how to play the game, but it was annoying nonetheless. If they had their way you could only use the default Commando guns (sans the Anti Armor).

I think it's funny that people are already making excuses for when they lose, when the game has been out for only 10 days. Instead of just learning to play, they get pissy (calling names, accusations) or leave after you kill them once or twice, emptying out a game.

I noticed somebody on the LucasArts forums whining that he thought the Trando guns were "nerfed" and thus "unbalanced." Yet I have seen nothing to convince me that the starting Trando rifle (the Repeater) is any different in MP than the Commando blaster, except in terms of aesthetics. They also get the same pistol, and have all the same other abilities. Some people who are inexperienced (as we all are, but even moreso than people like me) jump to all sorts of conclusions in order to justify their not winning all the time.

Anyway, post your sore loser stories here...

Oidar
03-10-2005, 07:28 PM
I've been called a hacker twice, first time cause I was using the unreal dodge and no one seemed to know about it or be using it, the second time cause I was playing as a trando and had 38 kills and something like 4 deaths. Stupid people seem to forget about the bacta packs and the idea of hit and run, not wild west 12noon shoot out with the sheriff.

I look at being called a hacker like this, if the other person(or people) suck so bad that they feel the only dignified way to make themselves feel better is by calling you a totally BS name then fine. Just proves how good you are and how much they really sucks.

I have no sympathy for anyone that says guns need to be nerfed or that certain sides have an advantage over another. Those people always seem to ruin perfectly good games with their BS claims anyway.

TK-8252
03-10-2005, 08:01 PM
We really need an admin mod to deal with these lamers. Pistol = Peace!


:p

I was labeled a "type killer" once. :)

Kurgan
03-10-2005, 08:43 PM
Type killer? Lol.

Too funny. I've had people say "I wasn't ready!" or "I was out of ammo!" but they never kept on, like it should be a rule or something. They just sucked it up and continued playing or left in frustration (I guess to find a server where they could win without so much trouble).

It hasn't been too bad, but some people just make me laugh with their sorry excuses.

I know that in this game you have spawn invulnerability, because I've attacked spawning people and they took at least 3 or 4 "one hit kill" moves before going down.

I think it's like in UT2k4, where you are invulnerable for a set time, but as soon as you attack, it is gone and you can be hurt like normal.

Oidar
03-10-2005, 10:05 PM
Another thing that drives me absolutly mad, I was just playing on a server with a friend of mine. It was ctf and we were doing ok, we were losing but doing it with dignity and the guy hosting the game started to egg us on, I got slightly ticked and started to pick up the kills using nothing but the trando repeater and DC-17. After I got to 16 kills He sends the most vile message accross the screen and closes the server. WTF 'eh. Some people can't stand being beating at their own game. Especially when the other person is doing it using nothing but a blaster. I am by no means uber in this game I get 30 kills and consider that quite good but this guy was just being an ass. Nothing worse than 12yr olds hosting their own server, they lose they whine they shut the thing down.

Can't wait for some real servers or just a server that is being ran but someone that doesn't still attend junior high.

(nothing against anyone thats young(16yrs or younger) on here but some people really can't take losing well and usually its the young ones.)

Nokill
03-11-2005, 01:20 AM
i only accused one person of chating he had 30 headshots in 2 min and i only gotten one kill and din't see anyone else

next time ill make a screen i think i whas yust shoked :o

Kurgan
03-11-2005, 03:43 AM
I have seen no evidence of cheating yet in this game, so I think people are just paranoid (well, more likely just sore losers).

Is it so amazing that somebody can seem to be "good" through practice? The game hasn't been out yet, but I've become pretty good in only 6 days. It's not impossible.

And in a typical game you're bound to hear a lot of "headshot" stuff unless people favor explosives and other scatter shot type weapons.

BeBop
03-11-2005, 12:30 PM
Once jokingly, once seriously. The one time where they really accused me I jumped off a catwalk and shot and killed them while falling with a Shotgun. Hey, it is a spread shot weapon, aside from that no real problems I've had.

ZBomber
03-11-2005, 07:28 PM
I suck too much to be accused of cheating. Fair enough? ;)

Fds
03-11-2005, 09:40 PM
howether there is a difference between the dc17 and the trando merc assault rifle...

the trando one sound is very ugly... lol :D

Nokill
03-12-2005, 06:22 AM
its nice im teams and your republic and you got a trendo rifle sometimes thay thing you are on there team *BANG* not :D

Kurgan
03-14-2005, 02:22 AM
Why would somebody be looking at your gun and not the model you're using? Oh well... hehe, bang! ; )

Joetheeskimo
03-14-2005, 07:28 AM
People who want all explosive weapons piss me off like hell. There's no strategy in whipping grenades and blasting rockets like a psycho. This one guy was annoying me this way to such an extent that I chased him, dodged his stupid rockets and grenades, and took him down with a DC-15. :D It was the greatest moment of my life. :D

Kurgan
03-14-2005, 09:16 AM
Originally posted by joetheeskimo5
People who want all explosive weapons piss me off like hell. There's no strategy in whipping grenades and blasting rockets like a psycho. This one guy was annoying me this way to such an extent that I chased him, dodged his stupid rockets and grenades, and took him down with a DC-15. :D It was the greatest moment of my life. :D

There's actually a lot of skill involved. Anybody can toss a grenade or a rocket. It's the ones who can nail the enemy with them every time, no matter how much they run and jump that are good. I almost ruined myself on players who wouldn't dodge in the first week. Now people have caught on. ;)

Anyway, the point of Deathmatch isn't to show who has the most 'skill' (such a thing can't really be measured objectively can it? almost like measuring who has more 'honor' or something), but rather who can get the most points in the shortest time. And blowing up two people at once over and over is a good way to do that. Long range guns obviously have their uses, and people use those too. Assault/CTF is another story of course, where it's about captures, not kills.

Nokill
03-14-2005, 09:28 AM
Originally posted by Kurgan
Why would somebody be looking at your gun and not the model you're using? Oh well... hehe, bang! ; )

i mean if your behind them shooting them :p
thay think your on the same team :D

Kurgan
03-14-2005, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by Nokill
i mean if your behind them shooting them :p
thay think your on the same team :D

Good ol' teammates, always shooting us in the back, eh?

Shok_Tinoktin
03-14-2005, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by Kurgan
Good ol' teammates, always shooting us in the back, eh?

Yes they are!!! Don't know how many times I've had that happen. Of course, I always turn around to figure out if I have to kill the thing that's killing me.

Joetheeskimo
03-14-2005, 03:51 PM
Speaking of which, if I turn friendly fire off in my own settings, does that mean allies' fire doesn't hurt me as well?

TK-8252
03-14-2005, 04:12 PM
The only place that explosives get annoying is on that one CTF map on Kashyyyk, with that big bridge between the two bases. It turns into a thermal war on the bridge and that's all anyone does on that map!

Shok_Tinoktin
03-14-2005, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by TK-8252
The only place that explosives get annoying is on that one CTF map on Kashyyyk, with that big bridge between the two bases. It turns into a thermal war on the bridge and that's all anyone does on that map!

Thats not annoying if you just go under the bridge and go into their base virtually unnoticed and unharassed. Explosives dont annoy me, I just make my way into melee range, and 90% of the time, the person just blows him/herself up.

tommygunner
03-14-2005, 06:45 PM
Yeah that works out for me too... this one time I ran into their base with a pistol and took 2 guys out and brought the flag back to base.:D

Oidar
03-14-2005, 07:12 PM
Kurgan tried using a lose hack tonight but it didn't work.:D

Kurgan
03-15-2005, 12:03 AM
Originally posted by Oidar
Kurgan tried using a lose hack tonight but it didn't work.:D

Yeah.. some cheater I turned out to be~! ;)

lukeiamyourdad
03-16-2005, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by Nokill
i only accused one person of chating he had 30 headshots in 2 min and i only gotten one kill and din't see anyone else

next time ill make a screen i think i whas yust shoked :o


Totally possible. I've done it and I don't cheat.

Nokill
03-16-2005, 12:30 PM
it whas a big map :o

and where you also the only guy whit more then 2 kills?

lukeiamyourdad
03-16-2005, 02:07 PM
I wasn't whoever you're talking about. I'm just saying it's possible to get 30 headshots.

Nokill
03-16-2005, 02:33 PM
i know that but i never seen anyone not trowing a grenade first and maby killing one

but 30 head shots in only 2 min and 0 kills of yourself and not even killing anyone whit a grenade :o

Kurgan
03-16-2005, 04:30 PM
He could have just had good aim, a good ping, and been playing some noobs. It happens! ;)

In first few days of playing this game it seems like there were tons of headshots all the time, but now I rarely see them. In fact in the last couple of days I haven't heard it say it once. I hit people in the head, but I don't see any message like before.

Another bug?

Joetheeskimo
03-16-2005, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by Kurgan
He could have just had good aim, a good ping, and been playing some noobs. It happens! ;)

In first few days of playing this game it seems like there were tons of headshots all the time, but now I rarely see them. In fact in the last couple of days I haven't heard it say it once. I hit people in the head, but I don't see any message like before.

Another bug?

Seems so, I'm not hearing it nearly as much....

Kurgan
03-16-2005, 11:17 PM
Some folks asked me if hacks were being used tonight.

They never give any reasons why either, they just spit out the words: hacks, hacker, speed hack, hack hack hack.


GIVE IT UP!!!! NOBODY IS HACKING YOU DORKS!!!

Sorry, somebody had to say it. Sadly none of the people who really need to hear it will read this.

Nokill
03-17-2005, 01:25 AM
Originally posted by Kurgan
He could have just had good aim, a good ping, and been playing some noobs. It happens! ;)


thanks for calling me a noob :p

Joetheeskimo
03-17-2005, 07:31 AM
There are times when I have impulses to say "you cheat"! It's a subconscious instict when it seems as if a guy is getting one-hit kills all the time. But once he gets killed off himself, I decide he's just as normal as the others :D

Sifandor
03-17-2005, 10:02 PM
There was this retard in one of the games one of those people who think their skills will be long remembered by the gaming community.....yeah total idiot. Anyway he was hosting a server and i came in and started playing. I had just gotten on the game for the day and was not warmed up. The whole time he was bragging about how he was firs. He was winning all first place in DM for 3 straight games. I finally got the drop on him 10-2 The game session suddenly was no longer available..... Why would you play for fame instead of fun....and if your going to show off WIN! dont let someone MURDER YOU! any way i feel that this game needs players who are more apt to STICK TOGETHER... I have seen huge turn arounds from people buddying up....(sigh) cool story eh???

LukeKatarn
03-17-2005, 10:49 PM
Hye, I'm 11, and yo uwon't see me complaining about not winning. It's a stupid game. ((I mean it's a game, it's not stupid :D)) Speed Hack detected messages have appeared twice on my TV ((I play X-box)) and I don't even knwo hot to hack. Very annoying. i hate it when peopel brag, the ndie and quit. It's SO annoying. I think squads in normal death match would be nice. Try not to kill your squad while killing the other guys.

Kurgan
03-18-2005, 10:17 PM
Originally posted by Nokill
thanks for calling me a noob :p

Present company excepted of course!

I'm more inclined to think we're all noobs in this game, just some of us might be a little more noob than others.

How'se that? ;)

ZBomber
03-18-2005, 11:01 PM
My noobness exceeds yours ten fold, Kurgan. :p You see how I was float/jumping up to that wookie rocket thing in that MP game awhile back? :p

Kurgan
03-19-2005, 03:31 AM
Originally posted by ZBomber
My noobness exceeds yours ten fold, Kurgan. :p You see how I was float/jumping up to that wookie rocket thing in that MP game awhile back? :p

Takes great timing to get up there. It's harder than it looks, seriously!

;)

LukeKatarn
03-19-2005, 11:25 AM
It is hard. I still can't figure out how to do it. I get so close then my moon jump anti grav thing goes out. :(

Oidar
03-19-2005, 11:48 AM
Getting to that rocket for me the first few times was a pain in the butt. I figured that once you pass to far to the side you drop quite rapidly, this due to the fact your not in the low grav area anymore. Best suggestion I can give is to try a deathmatch game on your own, host it as a lan session and keep trying. I had to do that to figure it out.

Kurgan
03-19-2005, 01:29 PM
Yeah, for me the best way seems to be to start at the bottom "rung" (on the ground) of the low Gravity area thing. Run forward and jump while holding forward. As you go and you are just in the right spot, strafe and move with your mouse to the side to land right in the rocket/sniper area. You have to do it at the last second so the momentum carries you.

This works for me, but maybe like 3 out of every 4 attempts.

The other way trying to get up there is just hopping into the anti grav "rung" right next to the hole and trying to get it to let you up. But that only seems to work 1 out of every 10 times. It's nearly impossible in a game.

There might be an easier way (I see some people doing it with throwing their view around wildly, I don't know if it gives them more momentum or not), but feel free to share it. ;)

Nokill
03-19-2005, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by Kurgan
Present company excepted of course!

I'm more inclined to think we're all noobs in this game, just some of us might be a little more noob than others.

How'se that? ;)

i coud reanimate myself again... :o
and try to live whit that fact ;)

Shok_Tinoktin
03-20-2005, 04:31 AM
The best way I found to get to the rocket launcher area is to start at the bottom/outside of the ramp. Then look at the ground and run forward. When you get to the end of the ramp, quickly switch to looking straight up, and jump. When you get kinda close, turn to face the area, and make sure you dont go too far. That works most of the time for me.

Kurgan
03-20-2005, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by Shok_Tinoktin
The best way I found to get to the rocket launcher area is to start at the bottom/outside of the ramp. Then look at the ground and run forward. When you get to the end of the ramp, quickly switch to looking straight up, and jump. When you get kinda close, turn to face the area, and make sure you dont go too far. That works most of the time for me.

I've seen people do this, but I have one question: are you holding any kind of movement keys when you're doing this, or are you only using the mouse to move after you leap off? Because with my method I'm strafing and moving forward the whole time. I just wondered if that was even necessary.

Kurgan
03-20-2005, 02:30 PM
Btw, I had a few people claim today that there was actually a MESSAGE saying "Speed Hack Detected" when they joined my server.

I'm very curious about this and am going to experiment going to different servers.

They have been claiming this for awhile and I always use the same settings. So I wonder.

I have a couple of theories right off the bat, assuming these people aren't lying:

1) They are using some warez or cracked version of the game which is giving these messages in error.

or

2) It's an actual bug in the game that occurs sometimes and people are assuming I'm cheating as a result.

or

3) The people JOINING have a speed hack, and the game is detecting that THEY are the ones trying to cheat, not me.

It's odd because first off I'm NOT cheating (anyone reading this far knows or knows me realizes that) and second, this game didn't advertise any sort of cheat protection being built in like Punkbuster. So why would it display that message?

The problem with #3 is that it assumes a "speed hack" exists, which I've seen no evidence for, in such an early game. That would mean there was a speed hack cheat available on the 'net four days after release. I suppose it could have been developed by the warez pirates early on, but who knows. It seems accusations of the speed hack exist, but not the speed hack itself. Also, it would not make much sense, because it would assume that RC has built in cheat protection that nobody decided to talk about.

Btw, the other night I got somebody whining about getting killed while typing. They thought this game should have a chatbox appear over your head like in JA or the patched versions of JK2. LoL! I totally called that one.. remember this:

http://strategy.jediknight.net/pictures/rc/commandoz3.jpg

Anyway, another person when I killed them said "Heh, I had pistol out" to which I replied with a joke about "Saber Off = Peace" so they got the point. ;)

lukeiamyourdad
03-20-2005, 04:49 PM
You could request them to take a screenshot and post in somewhere(like here). Other then that, they can't really claim anything.

TK-8252
03-20-2005, 04:55 PM
I did once see a "Speed Hack Detected" message come at the bottom of my screen, not sure what it meant... the server was really laggy at the time so it could have just been an error.

Kurgan
03-20-2005, 05:39 PM
Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad
You could request them to take a screenshot and post in somewhere(like here). Other then that, they can't really claim anything.

A very very good idea. Many people don't know how to take screenshots, but even the old Alt+Printscreen and then paste into a paint program should do the trick.

So those who have seen it, where does it appear?

LukeKatarn
03-20-2005, 05:55 PM
I've seen it. It appears at the bottom of the screen. And I don't cheat, not ever in any multiplayer game I've played.

ZBomber
03-20-2005, 06:22 PM
Who knows, maybe its a bug that'll be fixed in the patch. :)

Kurgan
03-20-2005, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by LukeKatarn
I've seen it. It appears at the bottom of the screen. And I don't cheat, not ever in any multiplayer game I've played.

I mean like, does it appear in the window where you pick your team in-game, or is it like on the loading screen where it loads the map?

Does it appear in all game modes? Just on my server?

It may be a bug after all. Here I was assuming people were just accusing me of cheating because I ran around fast or something. ;)

Hope it gets fixed...

TK-8252
03-20-2005, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by Kurgan
I mean like, does it appear in the window where you pick your team in-game, or is it like on the loading screen where it loads the map?

It's just a message that appears on the bottom of your screen as you're playing.

Kurgan
03-20-2005, 09:59 PM
Originally posted by TK-8252
It's just a message that appears on the bottom of your screen as you're playing.


Interesting, so it appears "while" you're playing, not the instant you join or something. Does it just appear once? Multiple times?

Oidar
03-20-2005, 10:06 PM
multiple times and from what I've seen it only appears when the server lags terribly. I wasn't able to grab a screen of it quick enough but I did manage to get one of the message in the console. Everyone started to get little lag spikes then BOOM our pings went from 90-125 to over 750. It only seems to happen when it lags really bad or at least thats what I've seen.

Kurgan
03-20-2005, 10:59 PM
Originally posted by Oidar
multiple times and from what I've seen it only appears when the server lags terribly. I wasn't able to grab a screen of it quick enough but I did manage to get one of the message in the console. Everyone started to get little lag spikes then BOOM our pings went from 90-125 to over 750. It only seems to happen when it lags really bad or at least thats what I've seen.

Interesting, very interesting. I seem to recall that when people mentioned it in my server, we were either lagging at the time, or lots of people were joining (and every time somebody joined there was a slight pause).

Could the speed hack be some kind of debugging fix that LA put in to deal with lag prediction? But forgot to comment out the message when they finished the game up? Or perhaps it was some failed cheat detector?

Shok_Tinoktin
03-21-2005, 03:02 AM
Originally posted by Kurgan
I've seen people do this, but I have one question: are you holding any kind of movement keys when you're doing this, or are you only using the mouse to move after you leap off? Because with my method I'm strafing and moving forward the whole time. I just wondered if that was even necessary.

I just hold 'w' the whole time. And I too, have gotten the speed hack thing, but assumed it was a bug or something, because I didn't notice anyone moving faster then normal.

d'spadawan
03-21-2005, 05:28 AM
I have had this message also, in the middle of playing a game, but I wasn't lagging at the very moment it came up however I lagged at other moments on the server (was a home server I think) I had my (sorry if this sounds nooby but I don't know it's actual name)shotgun thingy on which makes you run faster when it happened and I was running about alot with it, when I seen the message on my screen I thought it was the admin, and he knew a feature to print messages on my screen like the features in JK2 and JKA. But now I think it's just a bug, I don't cheat and I have the origanal copy of RC not warez or cracked.

Just to put it out here(if it hasn't been already), there was speed hacks for the UT games, maybe RC is expecting them too.

Maybe it's some kind of joke the developers put in not knowing how often it would occur..just a guess.

Oidar at Work
03-21-2005, 06:13 AM
I don't think you'll find it being caused by a hack from another game. This game is using a modified version of UE2.5. The file structure is similar to that of UT2K4 but the files are named with different extensions also from what I understand when the second to last UT patch came out it almost totally eliminated any kinds of hacks that could be used in that game.
I'm guessing this message is kind of like the connection interupted message from JA.
I've never seen it unless there has been a lag issue and I've seen it on almost every server I've been on.

When someone host a server though there should be some kind of log file made, maybe that would have some more info in it.

Kurgan
03-21-2005, 02:20 PM
Good detective work guys. So it's not just people being paranoid, it actually is something happening, but we're not sure what.


I seem to remember back in the day some mod for UT called "Zero Ping" that would let you have instant hits and actual zero 0 on the internet in the game.

But the developers officially denounced it because it was fatally flawed... a person could disconnect their internet connection, run up to the now frozen other players, shoot them all in the head, then reconnect and get all the kills.

Could the "speed hack" with regards to lag have something to do with that?

Or maybe tell us what the "speed hack" was and exactly what it did in UT... that might shed some light. I played UT for a long time, but not UT2k3 or 4 (only the demo) so I never experienced any "hacking."

Oidar
03-21-2005, 05:02 PM
i downloaded a couple Generic "speedhacks" to test to see where this problem was coming from. Found something rather interesting.

What I've found is that currently with RC there are no working hacks for it, there are no UT hacks that work for it and as of the last patch the "speedHacks" that were usable in UT became useless.

The generic speedhacks I got (won't post the links to them) did nothing to enhance your game play infact it was quite easy to see i was using one. Your ping increases incredibly, usually I ping an easy 90-125 my ping was over 900 with the hack on.
These generic hacks just speed up your system making the game run faster, on the net they worked horrid and caused exsessive lag.

I did however jump on a non dedicated server and within a matter of a couple min the "speed hack detected" message came up and everyone had been experiencing lag.

So, my final though and conclusion on this is this.
The speed hack detected message is being caused by lag. Its most likely very much like the connection interupted message you get with JO/JA. I think though that the reason it says "speed hack detected" is a joke on behalf of the people from Unreal.
I did email LA to see if they could shed any light on the subject, I'll let you know if i get an "official" response.

Kurgan
03-21-2005, 10:45 PM
Good job Oidar, that info really helps.

So we can pretty much just ignore this until it's patched. Too bad it will make some ignorant people think that real cheats are being used. But if we admins don't take it to heart, it shouldn't matter.

Still, it may make some people paranoid. ; P

Well, I got accused of hacking again today (not a day goes by where I play and don't get accused it seems). This time it was by this guy named "Gregory." When he "emptied an entire clip into you and you didn't die" he proceeded to throw out accusations.

Then again, he called everyone who scored on him a "MODDER FAG", "MOD FAG" or similar. He also posted his (fake) home address claiming he wanted to physically fight the people on the server and "beat your fag ass".

It was rather surreal. Anyway... heh

PS: Got some interesting responses from the LucasArts Forum thread (http://forums.lucasarts.com/thread.jspa?threadID=35335&tstart=0)

Xersues
Total Posts: 48
Member Since: 10/04 Date Posted: Mar 21, 2005 01:17 PM

The patch before the latest UT patch to the engine fixed this if I remember right.

It occurred during the following:

Low latency when you have broadband in a low latency server
Certain mods had it worse then others
Glitch in the UTserver manager that could cause people with low latency to show up as high, so in the conflict it would yell speed hack, even though your own latency was being read inccorectly.

All this should have been fixed in the latest UT engine. If not LA has some 'splainin to do :)

Oidar
03-22-2005, 05:13 PM
Right, so I got a reply to my email and well... Would this be considered an answer?

Hello,

Has this error occurred on one specific server, or every server you've tried?
It may be that you are being alerted to another player using some sort of 'hack'
while playing. It has often been reported that the error is given wide-spread
through the server in order to warn other players of possible cheating. Keep
your eye on www.lucasarts.com for more information regarding this issue.

Sent information gathering questions

If you need further assistance, you can also reach us online at
http://support.lucasarts.com. Please include all previous replies when/if
responding to this message.


Best Regards,
********** at LucasArts Technical Support


I took out the name of the person that helped me.

So...ok,
I'm confused cause currently there are no known cheats, be they Unreal or any unreal based ones that work with RC. Trust me on this, I've been downloading every UT based cheat I can find and none of them work.
I'm writing a reply to this cause I'd like some clarification and wtf does sent information gathering questions mean?
I love talking to the Techs at some companies its like trying to get information from a hindu guru.
A long drawn out process which usually has great rewards at the end of it but geezus its a process to get the info you want.

I'll keep posting as I get new info.

BeBop
03-22-2005, 08:54 PM
lol kind of sounds like something the guy would just cut and paste as the first reply to anyone who reports a on screen error message. Well good luck with that... hope you don't give into their little 'stress the error reporter out till they go away' game. j/k

Sent information gathering questions

ooookay......

Kurgan
03-23-2005, 12:31 AM
Perhaps they are just waiting for more people to report the error (Ie: if one person does it, he's crazy, if two people do it, probably weird, three people, etc... finally it's a movement!)?

Long as you've got his attention you might want to mention some of the other stuff!

Anyway, best of luck. ;)

At least they're aware of it...

Kurgan
03-23-2005, 10:28 PM
Running a dedicated server for the first time (where I actually sort of knew what I was doing) and saw some interesting things in the panel window:

ScriptLog: Possible speed hack by ######
ScriptLog: Possible speed hack by ######
ScriptLog: Possible speed hack by ######


(where #### was the name of the player, occured to several of them, so I assume it was just lag)

The window also shows peoples IPs. I wish there was a way to just display a nice list of who was in the game (or see what people are saying), etc, but I don't know enough about the UT2k4 console and any changes LA did to RC's version of it.

Kurgan
03-27-2005, 04:49 PM
On the upside, people have taken to calling me a "noob" now instead of a "hacker" (with few exceptions, heh). So I guess we're making progress!

Nokill
03-27-2005, 06:41 PM
well i gotten kicked on a server for suspicion of cheating :(
and i yust gotten the hang of killing ppl again at that point
and i lost it becouse of it :(

Kurgan
03-27-2005, 08:23 PM
If a person accuses you, you could ask "how am I cheating?" that can sometimes buy you some time.


I find it hard to believe that you were "kicked" though, considering nobody is able to kick people.

The only way I've seen that people get kicked is if the server goes to the next map and more people join ahead of them and it says they were kicked, or if MaxIdle time is set and people get kicked for standing around for too long.

I know of no way to manually boot people in RC, that's the trouble.

I'm sure as soon as its possible people will get kicked just for winning, but that's a risk you take in any game. Still, I'd love to know how to kick, if it were possible. The old UT commands don't work.

lukeiamyourdad
03-27-2005, 10:24 PM
Whoa, triple post there Kurgan :D

But is it just me, or is this problem more common in the Star Wars MP gaming community. I've only played a bit of JO and JA MP and Battlefront other then RC.

Battlefront didn't suffer from "lamerz" like this, at least, I didn't play a lot outside clan battles.

I've had the most experience from BF1942/Vietnam and Enemy Territories(and some other WWII related shooter but this one is my fav) and never have I had a server admin(or in this case host) kick me out of the server(or in this case, pull the plug) for being on top of the K/D list.

My experience with JA and JO isn't much but I know a lot about all the "honor" and bowing and everything fun about it but I would not believe it would happen in a shooter without Jedi being involved.

Oidar
03-28-2005, 12:33 AM
I've been bitched at cause i shot someone while they were typing. I figure if your gonna type then your taking your chances at being killed by me or someone else.

The people that really seem to complain the most are the honor ppl from JO/JA. There wasn't any honor BS in DarkForces2:Jedi Knight. Dunno where it came from, probably the same place the noob admin tools came from.

RC will always have people about stupid things, cheats, people being cheap and using the AA or repeater. Those people need to grow up.

I've been kicked from BF1942 servers for owning the admin on at the time. I've been kicked from DOD servers for doing the same.
This didn't happen all the time, just on certain servers, if your in a clan and quite good it can cause alot of problems as well cause then people are constantly calling you out trying to make a name for themselves.

Odd 'eh. Its almost like street fighting or being in the mafia.
People will go around saying, Oh will I beat, so-an-so and then instantly expect people to be in fear of them.

Sad fact is, if you suck at FPS games then you suck at FPS games.
Certain games allow for a greater degree of "stress" to the player, Quake for example with its notorious Rocket jump, or the unreal games where you can easily pick up 200armor and 199health and just go brutal on everyone.


Point I'm trying to make is this, no matter what the game, or what kind of game. Someone will always be ready to call the person on top a cheater, for some strange reason it makes them feel justified if their killed by the person, "oh well doesn't matter that I died, cause that person is a cheater". Even on "cheat" protected servers someone will always use the C word.
I've even seen it at lan tournaments.

Cheaters are the lowest rung on the online gaming ladder, they choose to use exploits and hacks to make themselves seem almost godlike in a game and usually suffer from what we grown-ups like to call "bitchy baby syndrom"

I can't stand cheaters, never could, never will. Counter strike and Americas Army are the worst I've seen for cheaters(and I play both) There always seems to be some smacktard that wants to ruin the game for everyone and I for one, feel sorry for that person.

See this started about RC and ended up being an I hate ******* cheaters rant.

lukeiamyourdad
03-28-2005, 12:57 AM
*pads Oidar on the back*

It's alright mate, let it all out.


It happens to me that the word "cheater" comes across my mind sometimes.
This one time, I was playing Forgotten Hope and some guy killed 3 of my teammates and me in 4 shots, none missed.

For a second, I thought he cheated(never would I call anyone a cheater). I sat down for a sec and realized that he was only good and we were stupid enough to run out of cover on an open plain without any obtacles between us and him.

Oidar
03-28-2005, 02:12 AM
a few weeks ago on Day of Defeat I got 5 kills on a 30 round clip from a Thompson. I was instantly kicked from the server for using an "aimbot". All I kept thinking was wtf. someone kills a half dozen people with a grenade by tossing it into a room they claimed they didnt know anyone had been in and I get kicked cause the people on the enemy team like to run in a straight line.
It was quite dumb but a quick change of my name and I was right back in there.

I can understand some people running around stupidly calling others a cheater on RC, fact is sometimes you'll shoot someone and it doesn't seem to register that their being hit, either that or your totally missing and are a crap shot. Either way its only a small percentage that will grumble cause they think things aren't balanced.

Heheh, I love forum arguments where someone says a certain team is at a disadvantage cause of their weapons. Everyone is using the same freaking weapons, how is that a disadvantage to a certain team? Oh wait, its cause one of the teams has scales on their fingers thus not allowing for optimum contact and feel on the trigger of a gun. Thats got to be the disadvantage, curse the devs!.

My biggest complaint with people that call others cheaters is this, NO PROOF. They make the call then can't back it up. Its like if I ran upto Kurgan on his server, shot him and he didn't die...is he cheating? no, not likely the reason he didn't drop is cause I didn't shoot him enough. I could understand if you nail someone face on with the AA gun and they dont die and you do. That might.(remember I said might) be a reason to look suspiciously at someone but its not a reason to call someone a cheater.

In regards to BF1942. I was in a match one day and and was sneaking around the back of an island(playing as a sniper) and to my suprise I had someone coming directly towards me, right over the mountain i was going around. I was shot and promptly asked how the guy knew i was there, someone informed me that he was using a radar hack. I decided to test this by hiding in buildings and under docks and sure enough everytime I was killed. I finally had enough and in a failed attempt to have the fool vote kicked I was killed once more, forcing me to leave the server from sheer frustration.

To bad anti cheat software like punkbuster doesn't work that great, if it did you'd probably see alot less threads about people calling other people cheaters.

Kurgan
03-28-2005, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad
Whoa, triple post there Kurgan :D

But is it just me, or is this problem more common in the Star Wars MP gaming community. I've only played a bit of JO and JA MP and Battlefront other then RC.

Battlefront didn't suffer from "lamerz" like this, at least, I didn't play a lot outside clan battles.

I've had the most experience from BF1942/Vietnam and Enemy Territories(and some other WWII related shooter but this one is my fav) and never have I had a server admin(or in this case host) kick me out of the server(or in this case, pull the plug) for being on top of the K/D list.

My experience with JA and JO isn't much but I know a lot about all the "honor" and bowing and everything fun about it but I would not believe it would happen in a shooter without Jedi being involved.

Yeah, "oh no, a moderator broke his own rules, ban him!" it's because I made (or tried to make) that post as I was leaving out of town and the forums exploded! Database error, please try again later, blah blah blah. :(

I tried...

As to the whining being specific to the SW community I say "baloney." In SWBF people whined about bots, Jedi, camping, spawn camping, and bugs. They also whined about vehicles. People will whine about anything and everything that makes them lose in a game or just to pass the time. Not every single player of a game whines, but there's enough folks out there that it can't be denied that the problem exists. In every game community I've been a part of there have been whiners, Star Wars or not.

In RC you can go through a few games without anyone talking at all. This is probably because there's a lot of non-english speakers (though I've seen people talk in their own languages), kids (13 years old seems to be the average age), and people who don't realize how to type in the game (hit T to talk!).

Many people don't know how to pick up weapons, how to use team chat, voice chat, or what to do when you run out of ammo. Clearly manual reading is not something everyone who buys the game does. Anyway, I digress.

IF you've ever hosted a game on the internet for awhile, you've seen all these kinds of people.

Kurgan
03-28-2005, 05:56 PM
Originally posted by Oidar
[B]I've been bitched at cause i shot someone while they were typing. I figure if your gonna type then your taking your chances at being killed by me or someone else.


Agreed, and generally accepted by the competative gaming communities at large. "Go use IRC if you're wanting to chat without dying."
;)



The people that really seem to complain the most are the honor ppl from JO/JA. There wasn't any honor BS in DarkForces2:Jedi Knight. Dunno where it came from, probably the same place the noob admin tools came from.

I don't interview every person who plays RC and whines if they are an honor player from JA/JK2. Generally people who even mention those games either do so to whine that RC lacks any game mode options (ie: talking about Siege, even I do this) or to say "Jedi are pussies, they suck! They're so cheap and stupid. REAL grunt soldiers are what this game is about!" and thus bash JA/JK2 (I heard plenty of SWBF players do the same thing when that game came out).

If they were honor players I would think they would instead by praising JK2/JA and demand that RC be more like it, rather than say they are so glad they are finally rid of the previous game. ;)

Whining about being killed while typing, whining that a certain weapon is "cheap" these are all things I've heard outside of SW games before. So it's not something that came about as a result of JK2/JA.

As to the origin of the honorz thing, yes, it started in JK2, however.. though I was never a part of the Heretic II community, people complained that the game was "ruined" because of "honor codes" that people created for staff dueling in that game. Apparently this transferred over from one Raven game to another (to JK2). Raven made both games and thus were known by these loyal fans. The honor code followed them.

So I think it's not due to Star Wars itself (though it was given a star wars spin in JK2, which was completely illogical... no Jedi I know of ever bowed before a duel or whined when force powers were used mid battle, and we have numerous instances of Jedi fighting non-saber users).

JK1 did have a sort of honor code type thing about it. People whined when killed while they were typing just like every other online game, that was not it. The thing was, JK1 had no dueling mode whatsoever. So if anyone ever wanted to have a saber duel, they HAD to make up some house rules or ground rules. It was simply how it worked. Sure people created maps with no health pickups and no weapon pickups, but there was still no dueling mode. So some kind of honor code (when you're saber dueling, NOT for guns or anything else) would make sense.

I dueled people and played the game normally, so I participated. I don't recall people whining in the middle of a FFA. It was just that sometimes people would say "let's duel"or something and people would either say "sure" and do that, or they'd say "nah" and the person would eventually leave.

Only a very tiny minority ever played JK1 and only used the lightsaber, because the lightsaber just wasn't that powerful against guns. Sure it was a 1 hit kill most of the time, but you had to get very close. A good full force gunner would smoke a good full force saberist in an all out battle.

Anyway, JK2 introduced a seperate game mode for dueling and the saber challenge to protect a pair of duelists from the rest of a FFA game. But the honor code fundamentalists decided that this wasn't enough and made up more rules, tried to apply those rules to all game modes everywhere, and admin mods were created to "punish" the "lamers" (people who didn't follow those made up rules).

So I can see how it developed, but I really think it was the influence of the Heretic II community who were Raven Software fans that contributed to it most. And then we had them teaching a new generation about it.

RC will always have people about stupid things, cheats, people being cheap and using the AA or repeater. Those people need to grow up.

I've been kicked from BF1942 servers for owning the admin on at the time. I've been kicked from DOD servers for doing the same.
This didn't happen all the time, just on certain servers, if your in a clan and quite good it can cause alot of problems as well cause then people are constantly calling you out trying to make a name for themselves.

I agree that in general online games will contain sore losers. The sore losers will make any excuse as to why they didn't win. They will say you used a cheap or "unbeatable" tactic, exploit, or whatever. They will demand you not use some weapon they feel is "too powerful" or "has no counter." They will blame lag, the map, their team, anything, even resort to accusations of cheating.

SOME of this is caused by simple ignorance. They won't know how games work. They don't know about little known tactics or manuvers. Something they can't explain they will chalk up to "hax" or something. But much of the time it's simple poor sportsmanship.

The "I was typing!" thing is simply annoying. They are being selfish. They don't understand that the game doesn't stop just because they stopped playing. The game isn't just for them.

Sure, it's a bit annoying when you get killed when you weren't ready, but really.. who's fault was it that you weren't ready? Your own. Instead of owning up to it, the sore loser blames it on somebody else. Why should everyone stop the game they are playing and wait for whatever silly thing you're talking about?

Anyway, some of the nonesense in RC could be lessened if there had been bots in the game for people to practice offline and learn about how things worked, etc. Some of it could be lessened if there had been an MP training mode like UT hade or Q3 had. Not all of it, but some.

I figure most players are 13 year olds who played SP, then play MP, they didn't read the manual, they probably don't play online games much at all, certainly not FPS games on the internet. And if they do, they must be incredibly frustrated people, because the internet doesn't spoon feed them exactly what they want 24/7.


Odd 'eh. Its almost like street fighting or being in the mafia.
People will go around saying, Oh will I beat, so-an-so and then instantly expect people to be in fear of them.

I hear you there. Typical thing people say:

"YOU SUCK. Your opinion is ****. I'm in [BadMofosClan]. We are the best clan ever. We have never lost a match. Remember BMF-Jim? BMF-JOJO? I'm better than they are. I beat them every time. And they beat everyone else! So I know this game, and you suck. You would never be in BMF!"

In most games you have hundreds or thousands of players. The chances of encountering another person in a game like this are virtally nill. I went throughout my entire JK1 career (3 1/2 years) without meeting many of the so-called "greatest clans" (by their own estimation. Even in the latter days I still regularly met people who had never heard of me or of JK.net (which I worked at since 1998).

Today people will visit my RC server (entitled Kurgan's Meatgrinder) and they don't know who Kurgan is. They don't know of the name Meatgrinder either (I hosted a JA server with that name for over 3 months and it was quite popular as far as Siege servers go). Recognition just doesn't happen very much.

Sure, most Quake players have heard of Thresh, but he had to win a sports car in a big tournament to get that recognition. He wasn't just some guy in a clan who was top rated on Big Bob's Clan-O-Rama Ladder.

People do have an inflated view of self in an online gaming community. They think they are super important and everyone should give deference to them. Instead, most people have never heard of you and even if they have they won't really care.

Sad fact is, if you suck at FPS games then you suck at FPS games.
Certain games allow for a greater degree of "stress" to the player, Quake for example with its notorious Rocket jump, or the unreal games where you can easily pick up 200armor and 199health and just go brutal on everyone.

I suppose. People talk about this in terms of "speed." But there's a certain snobbery here too. "Oh you play X game? HAHA, that game sucks. It takes no skill, unlike the game I play, game Y. Play a real man's game." Or "You're playing game X like one would play game Y! Stop playing game X and go play game Y! If I wanted to play way I'd go play game Y instead of game X!"

Instead of just playing a game and enjoying it, these folks have to try to control everything and one-up anyone else who has fun or learns how to do well. Instead of acknowledging that somebody else has done something good, they make excuses. But if they are doing well they will try to rub it in and make sure that EVERYONE knows just how good they think they are.

It's like the little kid who wins at checkers and dances on top of his chair going "I'm the bestest! I'm the bestest!" then when he loses he knocks over the board and says "You cheater! I don't want to play anymore."

Yes, I know I'm ranting along with your rant, but I do agree with you on most of your points.


Point I'm trying to make is this, no matter what the game, or what kind of game. Someone will always be ready to call the person on top a cheater, for some strange reason it makes them feel justified if their killed by the person, "oh well doesn't matter that I died, cause that person is a cheater". Even on "cheat" protected servers someone will always use the C word.
I've even seen it at lan tournaments.

Yeah, it's pretty sad. I haven't seen anyone call cheater on a tournament, but I haven't been in very many, and none recently.


Cheaters are the lowest rung on the online gaming ladder, they choose to use exploits and hacks to make themselves seem almost godlike in a game and usually suffer from what we grown-ups like to call "bitchy baby syndrom"

Yeah. But I think you'll admit that the number of ACTUAL cheaterse is probably much less than the number of ACCUSATIONS of cheating. The fact that cheaters may exist is a convenient excuse for people calling "cheater"whenever they lose.

As for RC we have a hard time proving they exist at all, yet people called cheater within days of the game coming out!



I can't stand cheaters, never could, never will. Counter strike and Americas Army are the worst I've seen for cheaters(and I play both)

Roger that. Cheaters in JK1 were pretty danged annoying. The main problem was their incredible arrogance and the fact that they were just trying to be griefers. They weren't even just trying to sneak them in to win a bit easier, they were just doing it to try to piss people off and waste their time.

I bet you though, that a lot of people who cry "cheater" in a game have never encountered an actual cheater. Their paranoia and excuses let it be the first thing out of their mouth when things aren't going their way.

There always seems to be some smacktard that wants to ruin the game for everyone and I for one, feel sorry for that person.

Agreed.

And there's my rant too, heh. Wow, I feel better now. ;)

Oidar
03-28-2005, 06:38 PM
I wonder how many script kiddies we'll see in a game like this, scripts aren't cheats but they do allow you to pull off multiple commands at the same time. I don't even know if you could consider a script an exploit.

lukeiamyourdad
03-28-2005, 06:47 PM
Originally posted by Kurgan
As to the whining being specific to the SW community I say "baloney." In SWBF people whined about bots, Jedi, camping, spawn camping, and bugs.

I never said it was specific, I just felt it was worse then some other communities.

I've never been called a cheater on a Wolf:ET server. It happened a few times at BF1942 but it was once every two months. I rarely see anyone whine about "cheaters" and getting owned in BF1942.


Though we must specify that not all whining is unjustified. In many cases, game unbalances can cause whining(such as no auto-team balance and every switches team the second it starts winning) or the use of an exploit that shouldn't even exist(Helis healing and reloading on an enemy helipad to continue camping).
Those things are not cheats but some imbalances and problems with the game mechanics.

LukeKatarn
03-28-2005, 08:42 PM
I've never called anyone a cheater in my whole gameing life ((Which is like, 7 years or so... by my MP gaeming life is only less then 2 years :()) but I never will unless I have completely absolutely solid proof. I hate it when people call peopel cheaters, but I haven't seen much of it on X-box live, which is good. And here is a good come back to people who whine about typeing... "If you worrie so much about people killing you while typein, go get x-box live. Or internet for you PS2.. etc."

Shok_Tinoktin
03-28-2005, 09:43 PM
I had an interesting conversation just now. Someone was complaining about weapon balance, so I said all the weapons were balanced. His response was something along the lines of "You think so, eh?" I said yes, and claimed that every weapon has a counter. The strange thing was, he never argued with me and stopped complaining for the rest of the match. I guess he didn't really have anything to say in his defence, and just wanted to complain.

Oidar
03-29-2005, 03:40 PM
WoooWeee,


Thats what I said when I checked my mail today. We have an official answer from LucasArts Technical support regarding the issue of the "speed hack detected" message.


Here it is.


Hello,

1. see information.
2 and 3. We have no information on future enhancements/releases at technical
support, keep an eye on the forums for Republic Commando for any announcements
relating to such.

That error message indicates that you or one of the other players had a bad
connection to the server, and that will generate that speed hack detected
message.

Your customer number is *******
Please refer to case #:: ******* if you have any further questions.

If you need further assistance, you can also reach us online at
http://support.lucasarts.com. Please include all previous replies when/if
responding to this message.

Best Regards,
*******. at LucasArts Technical Support



There you have it. Straight from the people themselves. Its a connection problem.

I also asked about the extra content and mod tools, like when they'd be released and what the extra content was but was told the tech help people aren't privy to that information if they were I'd gladly have been given it.

Gotta say, Hats off to the LucasArts tech people cause I've gotten more straight answers with these guys than I have with some other tech people from other games.

Kurgan
03-29-2005, 04:31 PM
So Tech support's opinion is that:

"Speed Hack Detected" = "Connection Interrupted" in this game?

Cool... and that's a relief. Too bad it will continue to fuel paranoia about cheaters until such time (if any) that they fix it. They should just change it to "connection interrupted" in the patch to avoid confusion...

Shok_Tinoktin
04-10-2005, 05:18 AM
The 'speed hack detected' message strikes again. I was in a game with two other people, and one of them was a friend of mine. The third one apparently got the 'speed hack detected' message, and claimed that someone was cheating. I told him that it was just related to lag, and that no one was cheating. He then said that he had a low ping, and refused to believe it. I tried telling him that lucasarts said it was not due to hacks, that no working hacks exist for rc, asked him if any one was moving faster then normal, and told him he could leave if he thought we were cheating. He claimed that all games have hacks, even if it takes years to find them. He had no reply to my other points, and didn't leave. I told him that hacks are seperate programs from the game, and that none exist for rc, but he still refused to believe me. Then he started getting really annoying. He claimed that he was better then me (as irrelevent as it is, I don't know how he determined this within minutes of the beginning of the game), comparing IQs (surprise, surprise, mine was nearly 30 points higher, and he tried to defend his by saying he was 13, and seemed unable to grasp the concept of that being irrelevant), trying to claim that the conc rifle was exclusively 'his' weapon, and accusing us of being invisible for hiding or shooting him from the side. At this point, I determined that there was no reasoning with him, and admitted i was hacking (if you can't beat 'em, join 'em).

BeBop
04-10-2005, 10:56 AM
Ah yes, it's fun when you say you are hacking. Kind of brings them to a impass. What are they going to do now? (Unless they're are the hoster and are really so touchy that they shut it down)

Well. Good to know it's a Connection Interrupted thing. But as hjekk's little experience proved, most of the hacker accusers probably won't beleive it.

Kurgan
04-11-2005, 12:43 PM
Yeah, I could care less if somebody whines and leaves (unless they're the host admin), what bugs me is if their crap rhetoric is believed by other people, thus leading to the entire game breaking down as everyone stops playing and starts whining and/or leaves, emptying it out.

Usually in games if I'm winning (only then, mind you) I get accused of being "cheap" and a "noob" if I get kills with certain weapons (usually the AA, but not always).

Also if I shoot somebody close range with explosives and survive (usually with 1 health and no shields) yet they die, they start to whine. I admit, I get far too many deaths, 'cause I tend to have an itchy trigger finger with explosives. ;)

I've only met one player so far who consistently got kills with the Rifle, even against most weapons. Most people either suck with it, or don't use it, so if that's the only "honorable skillful weapon" then they can just take their own advice. I mean, if it means so much to handicap yourself to prove your "skillz" go for it, but if somebody else chooses not to, why throw a hissy fit? People's egos are disproportionate in size to their skill level in these games.

Joetheeskimo
04-11-2005, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by Kurgan
Yeah, I could care less if somebody whines and leaves

couldn't* :p

Although I've had moments of wanting to whine at explosive "overuse", when there's someone running at me I generally throw a grenade by instinct anyway. Not that it makes any difference, with crappy shooting like mine.
However, the game will be quite a bit more fun if people use a variety of weapons, not just one nearly all the time; and that includes nades.

Shok_Tinoktin
04-11-2005, 07:12 PM
In my experience, most people do use a variety of weapons most of the time. And I've never seen a person fighting with just grenades (you only get so many, unless of course the server had "weapon stay" on).

Originally posted by Kurgan
Yeah, I could care less if somebody whines and leaves (unless they're the host admin)

Same here. What tends to annoy me is when they whine and don't leave. If you think people are cheating, or the server is not acceptable for some reason, why hang around? This game must be full of masochists or something. Of course, this is easily remedied by annoying them back or ignoring them. It just confuses me mostly.

Shok_Tinoktin
04-16-2005, 05:42 AM
I did get called a ****er for camping. In my defence, I was just practicing my sniping, and didn't want someone spawning right next to me (it was team deathmatch, and I just stayed on my side of the map). The good thing was that someone immediately told that person to stop whining. My response was just something along the lines of 'Meh. Do you know a better way to snipe?'

Joetheeskimo
04-16-2005, 08:09 AM
Originally posted by Shok_Tinoktin
'Meh. Do you know a better way to snipe?'

Exactly. When I find myself losing a 1vs1 battle, and all of a sudden an allies sniper shot comes out of nowhere, it gives me qutie a bit of relief. :D Sniper rifles aren't a weapon of assualt, or for moving targets. They're meant for stationing yourself in a strategic area.

Tokarev
04-22-2005, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by Kurgan
So those who have seen it, where does it appear?

Although I don't own the game and it does run off of a UT engine, I have on occasions gotten that in UT2004.. I think it was address in a patch and it stopped doing it for me, so more over an error.

Mr_Razzle
12-18-2007, 08:34 PM
I know the last post is two years old, but I will post this for new people that see this....


"Speed Hack Detected" appears to me EVERY game I play, even if I host it. However, I didn't do anything to my game, all I did was install it. It doesn't appear to do anything, other then lag me for the next couple of seconds, but it only appears once per game.

Jurrassco
09-01-2008, 02:09 PM
I've just seen the message, and i thought that i'd been moving wierdly - for example, i was on a platform ,I pressed w and that minute i was facing a block on the other side of the map. anyway, what is a speed hack?